planning for possible military intervention with the french success of their mission. that would seem unin eand unlikely. but it is a likely location for people to get to if they can been in touch with people in the city, is that moving around the city remains close to impossible because of the ongoing fighting. in other words, a ceasefire isn't particularly strong. and, on top of that, there are chronic shortages of food, fuel, and water. as a result of that, 20,000 refugees in the west of the country, mostly sudanese, have fled to neighboring countries, to chad. they've also been fleeing into south sudan and ethiopia, wolf. so, catastrophic situation, very different approaches to different national groups as to how to get their people out. >> we'll stay on top of it. thank you very much. and to our viewers, thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

"outfront" next, russia seizing on tucker carlson's exit from fox. why this obsession? it comes as a top putin official tonight tells our matthew chance about the possibility of a prisoner swap for americans detained in russia. plus, what's old is new again. biden's message today for re-election, eerily similar to what he said on this very day exactly four years ago. will it work a second time? and then a story you will see first "outfront" tonight. outrage over lawmakers making decisions of white lawmakers making decisions for a city that is overwhelmingly black and democratic. "outfront" tonight, russia is hiring as a top putin mouthpiece offers tucker carlson a job with russian state television. the most senior russian official to visit the united states since putin invaded ukraine. you heard me there, today, said this, unprompted. >> translator: perhaps it would be useful to consider how things are with freedom of speech in

the united states. i've heard that tucker carlson has left fox news. it's curious news. what is this related to? one can only guess. but, clearly, the wealth of views in the american information space has suffered as a result. >> that's the foreign minister for vladimir putin sergey lavrov. with all that's going on here in the united states, coming here, talking about the loss of tucker carlson. it's unbelievable, right? it's incredible that he would do such a thing and weigh on this. why is lavrov obsessed specifically with tucker carlson? well, you may ask why is that. because in russia, tucker carlson is a star for repeatedly being pro-russian, anti-american, and anti-ukraine. listen to this. >> it might be worth asking yourself, since it is getting pretty serious, what is this really about? why do i hate putin so much? has putin ever called me a racist? has he threatened to get me fired for disagreement with him? does he eat dogs?

the answer to all of them is no. vladimir putin didn't do any of that. the russians don't want american missiles on their border. they don't want a hostile government next door. the biden administration did not want a negotiated peace in ukraine. they wanted all along a regime change war against russia. >> maybe they just wanted no war, right? just respect a border. so here's the thing. since the start of the war, russia's state media has been using things like that, tucker carlson to prove and to bolster their points. the two, frankly, have been in lockstep on their spin. watch this. >> if there is any single american who deserves scorn, and, yes, blame, for the invasion of ukraine, it would be joe biden. >> translator: we need to introduce a new term, biden's war. it's biden's war. he's in charge. >> word for word. and look at this, from reporter julia davis, she does incredible work monitoring russian

propaganda. she points out, these are different pictures from russian state television. tucker carlson in every one of them at the center of russian state television's messaging again and again and again. i mean, look at these images of carlson's face up on the big screen, and there are studios in moscow, which is why the highest-ranking russian official to come to the united states since the war began is seizing on the fact that tucker carlson no longer has a megaphone, or at least for now they're offering him a job. what's even more offensive than lavrov portraying carlson as a symbol of freech is his government's fretreatment of journalists. today our matthew chance was there with lavrov and pressed him on a possible prisoner swap for americans gershkovich as well as paul whelan. >> translator: in the russian

federation, there are several american citizens who are serving sentences for various crimes. i refer to paul whelan and evan gershkovich. they were detained when they were committing a crime, receiving material that was a state secret, and the vociferous pathose lay statements about journalists by defamation, not being able to commit crimes is something which we reject. >> matthew chance was the one who asked that question of the foreign minister. he's with me here. matthew, i want to ask you about that exchange that you had with lavrov because it isn't true anymore that anyone even gets to ask him questions. but, first, tucker carlson, he brings up foreign minister lavrov brings up tucker carlson. you know that state media in moscow hasable to them. what did you make of lavrov bringing that up today? >> i think it undermines how valuable he is to them and how

much of a sort of voice he is on russian state media. we saw there from the reporting that we just featured. he is a regular feature of russian state television newscasts, and russian anchors use his views, which are often quite extreme, in some cases, as the views of reasonable america, the reasonable west. and i think one of the reasons that lavrov is so upset that tucker carlson is no longer on the air at the moment, at least, is that he's such a disruptor, and the russians, they back disruptors, they want to disrupt themselves. and, so, this is -- he was doing a lot of the work that the kremlin media would've loved to have done themselves. >> this is being said in america that all of a sudden it gives you, bolsters that. now let me ask you about the exchange that you had with lavrov. we've heard nothing from them. they never talk about what they would be willing to do, whether it be for paul whelan or evan

gershkovich. you asked lavrov if a prisoner exchange was possible. what did he tell you? >> well, look, there have been prisoner exchanges in the past in, the recent past. brittney griner. and so that's the expectation. the trouble is with viktor bout already swapped, one of the problems of having gershkovich and paul whelan is who can they be swapped with. sergey lavrov, i asked him this question, what does he want in exchange for these two american citizens. take a listen to what he had to say. >> translator: we have approximately 60 people who are serving sentences here. and in most cases, the accusations are dubious. >> so, 60 people. i've not heard that number before. >> you don't just put out a number by accident. he was prepared with a number. >> he was.

and so clearly they have the idea that if there's going to be a prisoner swap, it is going to be these two people. >> 60 to two? >> a chunk of people, a big group of people. >> well, amazing, and obviously he came prepared with that answer. now i want to go to julia davis, russian media analyst. she's the creator of the russian media monitor, also a columnist for "the daily beast." and retired u.s. colonel cedric leighton. the thint russians are being faced with every day. lavrov brings up tucker carlson unsolicited today, and you've been following how the russian propaganda machine has weaponized carlson and used him throughout the war. what impact does his firing have on that machine? >> well, they have latched on to

tucker carlson for years, and it really intensified after russia invaded ukraine. lately, they have not had a single show where tucker carlson's segments didn't prominently figure in them. it was constant. and why it works for them so well is on russian state television, they always blame america for everything, they never criticize putin or russia, and neither does tucker carlson. so everything he says, it sounds like it was written by the kremlin, it's perfect for them. and they always mention that he had an enormous viewership. and the way they've been able to influence americans without lifting a finger, just through tucker carlson's talking points that conveniently aligned with theirs. >> you say conveniently aligned. the word echo is pretty incredible between tucker carlson and other russian propagandists that we see on state media. let me play, again, this.

>> if there is any single american who deserves scorn and, yes, blame for the invasion of ukraine, it would be joe biden. >> translator: we need to introduce a new term, biden's war. it's biden's war. he's in charge. >> colonel, from a military standpoint, how much damage do the words of carlson do to american goals when you look at how this is being propagated to the russian public? >> yeah, erin, they are pretty considerable. and this is a classic disinformation campaign. so when you look at how the russians couch this in their media, as julia has mentioned, it's very clear that there are certain things that they want to achieve. and one of those things is the division of our society. and i found some interesting statistics on defense. one, where they talk about a poll where a great deal of

people not having confidence in the military. and over the years that number has decreased from 70% having a great deal of confidence in the military down to a low of 45%. and that was just recently. so when you look at those kinds of things, it has an absolute effect on people's perceptions and people's willingness to support bigger policies. >> as you watch the many, many avenues of russian propaganda in state media, i know one thing you've notice school district recruitment efforts. recently, the head of the wagner group yevgeny prigozhin claimed that the spokesman for the kremlin dmitry peskov that his son had served with wagner. you saw this, and then a few days later peskov's son suddenly appears in an interview with one of the stars of russian state media. funny how that is. but let me play the exchange. >> translator: i decided to participate. >> was your family against it? >> translator: they supported

it. >> but not right away? >> translator: yes. not right away. they were in a bit of a shock. they were worried, but respected my decision and supported it. >> that's nice. >> so this tall and humble guy with a recognizable voice and recognizable eyes is the son of dmitry sergevich. he is very humble, he never flaunted it. so all the classes and nobilities are fighting. deputies and the children of public officials, professional soldiers, and simple men. >> so, julia, we have no idea whether peskov's son actually served or not. they just say he did. they say the nobility, people from all levels, are serving. what are they showing with this? >> well, their three-day war has now stretched out into years, and they're anticipating that it might take years more.

their recruitment efforts are now moving from impoverished regions to the biggest cities in russia. so they have to convince those men that they should come and join in the military, and, all the while, those are in the people in big cities that have questioned why the children of the public officials are not serving in the military while the children of other people are expected to die. so, this is the very core of this pr effort. and for all we know, they could have filmed that interview in any warehouse in moscow. so this is obviously part of their pr campaign to recruit more people to fight for putin's imperial goals. >> thank you both so very much. i appreciate it. , and next, biden 2024 is take two of biden 2020. the message is eerily similar. so will it work again? plus, another court case against former president trump is now underway. another one actually going on now. this one centers on a rape

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similar to what we saw exactly four years ago to this day in his 2020 video. watch this. >> we are in the battle for the soul of this nation. when i ran for president four years ago, i said we're in a battle for the soul of america, and we still are. our very democracy, everything that has made america america is at stake. every generation has faced the moment when they have to defend democracy. it guarantees that everyone is treated with dignity and gives hate no safe harbor. i know we're still a country that believes in honesty and respect and treating each other with dignity. that we're a nation where we give hate no safe harbor. if we give donald trump eight years in the white house, he will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation. around the country, maga extremists are lining up to take on those bedrock freedoms. >> former executive director of the new york state democratic party, former communications

director for then president trump, and our own harry enten all join me. so, basil, amazing. it wasn't accidental. of course they had chosen to do that. obviously, the only difference is then he new his opponent was trump, and now it's maga. that's really pretty much the only difference other than the other was joe biden straight to camera. he is basically saying by the same thing twice, i need more time. does that work? >> i think it will because a lot of the issues are still not dealt with, and we're still wrestling with so much. it started with january 6th, and that resonates with so many americans. it's an antiautocracy, pro-economic development, rights restoration agenda, in my view. and abortion rights, gun control, voting rights, for example, and book banning, all of those things sort of come under the heading of the character that he talked about in that video.

and so i think not only have the issues remained since 2020, but in many ways they've deepened. >> one thing that really stood out to me in this video was i saw a lot of kamala harris. so anybody who was sitting around saying, well, maybe he's not that committed to her. no, she was front and center. i think more than a dozen times in a very short video. so this was right to commit to her to say she's -- i get that i'm old, she's not, she's there, does that help? >> well, it was very much by design. this was no coincidence that she was featured prominent throughout. there has been this ongoing speck letion about should he look for a runningmate. the thing that you can't ignore in the biden/trump rematch is the age of both potential candidates. you're talking about an 80-year-old man in the office. so i think it's to signal, look, there's somebody young and vibrant who could be the number two. but i have to note today there was a major misstep in the white house briefing room when the white house press secretary was

basically asked directly if re-elected, would biden serve full eight years and she basically said that she wasn't clear on that, and then had to clean it up. that was a dark spot in what i otherwise think was a pretty effective announcement, because the age issue is going to continue to be one. >> and, harry enten, when you think about is this possibly going to be take two of the same thing, other than the fact that the two players, if trump wins the nomination, are four years older. >> we all are. >> and we all are. you think there are signs it could be a very different race. how come? >> if you just look at the polling, if you looked at the polling at this point four years ago, biden had a clear advantage over trump. it was in the high single digits. just before the election back in 2020, it was basically the same race. you look now at the polling, it's a really tight race. we're talking biden by a point, maybe two, three points in the best polls for him. so at this particular point, trump may be the weakest general

election candidate. but that does not in any way mean that joe biden is going to skate through. it looks like it's going to be a much tighter race. >> these polls are the reality right now. i want to play more of the campaign launch video. here's just one more clip. >> let's finish this job. i know we can. because this is the united states of america. there's nothing, simply nothing we cannot do if we do it together. ♪ ♪ >> and, so, watching that, there was another re-election pitch back before the tiktok era. it was very fast, the shots were moving around a lot was ronald reagan. take a look at this one. >> it's morning again in america, and under the leadership of president reagan,

our country's prouder and stronger and better. ♪ why would we ever want to return to where we were less than four short years ago? >> 40 years have passed, and, yet, other than, i don't know, it's a little slower. >> how many frames per second? >> there's a lot of similarities there. a president who wanted four more years, a president who was facing age concerns of his own, and the similarities are quite striking. >> i love the morning america ad. i teach it to my students because of the values that are inherit and the pacing and the emotion that it's meant to evoke. and i believe that that is very similar for joe biden. mitigating the age issue is putting out kamala harris as a sort of secret weapon. i believe she was underutilized throughout these first four years. hopefully she becomes very useful in mobilizing voters. so that's one way to sort of tackle and go after those young

voters. i always talk about new voices and new venues. look at the folks that are sort of now becoming the face of the party, the justins of tennessee. the governor of maryland, the secretary of state of michigan who was undergoing death threats in her formal role in the office. so these are now the faces of the party. and i think all of that together helps mitigate that age issue. >> so in this context you have the recent poll showing trump trumping anybody. and desantis being the next closest and not even close. it's early so i'm just going to say that. but if you're looking at that, desantis is not officially announced he's going to run. asa hutchinson we expect is going to announce tomorrow. but it appeared that desantis maybe was waiting. maybe you're going to get more indictments. maybe this will become clearer for trump. fani willis says she might not make a decision till the end of august on that. so how much longer can desantis wait? >> i really don't think any candidates can wait past the july 4th weekend, just to make

the fundraising goals that they have to. i think that that really puts a time frame in place. if you want to get in may and june is the time to. i just want to note one thing on this. so, of course, donald trump looks like the frontrunner. if i'm betting smart money, i'm going to say he's the nominee. but it's too soon to say. marco rubio was leading in 2015 at this point. jeb bush was a close number two. but that ad is meaningless if you take trump and desantis out of the equation. if chris sununu is the republican nominee, that's meaningless. he is not going after abortion rights, he's not going after voting rights. he's not framing his own whole personality around being antilgbtq. so there's still a moment for republicans to say if that's what they're leaning into, we have a different alternative, a younger next-generation kind of leader who could bring in independents. i would hope it would be a wake-up call, but i'm not betting on it. >> it would be a different world, you would be having a very different conversation. that's fair. harry, you've got asa hutchinson formally going to announce tomorrow. chris sununu not formally

announced. youngkin, maybe, maybe not. but all of them, the point alyssa's making would appeal to moderates in a way that desantis and trump simply can't and don't want to. so, can you win a nomination without moderate voters if they sit out? >> the last republican who won the gop nomination without winning moderates during the competitive part of the primary was george w. bush back in 2000. >> just to be clear, back then he was defined as the far right. >> he was the last one to do it without winning moderates. it just gives you an idea that moderates tend to be the people who give folks the nomination. donald trump won them in 2016. mitt romney won them in 2012. john mccain won them in 2008. if you look right now where the pathway is to the nomination in terms of where the most voters are who aren't choosing either trump or desantis, they're overwhelmingly moderates. that's where the lane is. when i watch at this particular

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tonight, the trial centered on a rape allegation against former president donald trump is now underway. lawyers for magazine column scientist e. jean carroll telling "the journal" in opening statements that she was forcibly raped by trump in the 1990s in a dressing room at a department store in manhattan. trump's lawyer denied that allegation today, saying carroll schemed with others to hurt trump politically and never reported the incident to police. the trial comes as trump faces mounting legal troubles on multiple fronts waiting for possible major indictments from the doj and in georgia. "outfront" now ty cobb, former trump white house lawyer. ty, i just want to start with this case because i've sort of been calling this the sleeper case in a sense, that it's now happening, and it could be very significant. but it isn't one people had spent a lot of time talking about until it actually started.

carroll's lawyer tells the jury that they're going to hear from two longtime friends who will corroborate her account along with testimony from two other women who alleged trump forced himself on them. pounce, kiss, grab, don't wait, when you're a star, you can do anything they want, and when they speak up about what happened, humiliate, attack, call them liars, call them too ugly to assault. trump has denied her allegation saying she's, quote, not my type. when you look at this case, do you think she has a strong case against trump? >> i certainly think based on the evidence that the judge has agreed to let in that her case is quite strong. she's got the two outcry witnesses, being people she talked to almost immediately after the event, which that buttresses her credibility substantially. on the other hand, keep in mind, this is a long, long time ago.

>> right. >> almost 30 years. and those kind of cases are difficult to prove. but, the judge having agreed to let in the testimony from another alleged victim from 17 years prior to this incident and a second alleged victim based on an incident ten years after this alleged incident, that definitely strengthens the case in a way that i think it will be very difficult for trump to overcome. his attacks, that this is politically schemed, you know, emphasizing if he's allowed to put any evidence that her case is being funded by a left-leaning billionaire, even though she testified apparently at one point that it was a pure contingency. i think that's sort of

background noise. i don't think that is going to sway a lot of jurors, and attacking her i think is probably -- you know, it may be the only strategy they have. but i'm not sure it's going to be an effective strategy. i will say on appeal, this is a difficult case. >> all right. and again, i know the timing on all this and how it goes out, it's not like we're going to know tomorrow. but i just think it's significant, ty, that you're saying this could be something that ends up mattering, and it wasn't something that had really been on the radar in that way like georgia, like the doj. so, let me ask you about that because the former vice president mike pence is in washington this week expected to appear before the grand jury investigating january 6th soon. and he was just asked in an interview whether he saw trump commit any crimes in the leadup to january 6th. he's talked a lot about the overall issue here. but he answered this in an important way. here's what he said. >> i just don't know, leland, if it's criminal to take bad advice

from lawyers. i saw a cast of characters, lawyers that frankly should never have been allowed on the white house grounds giving the president counsel that was simply not grounded in history or the constitution and the law. >> what do you hear -- i don't know, leland, if it's criminal to take bad advice from lawyers. what do you hear there? >> so, what i hear is -- what i don't hear is, no. you know, do you think he committed any crime. i don't hear no. i think he's acknowledging that there were a lot of unsavory characters involved in this, giving him bad advice. i think he's going to address that because i'm sure he had personal conversations with the president about the advice that the president was receiving. >> right. >> i don't think we're going to learn a lot new, however, from

pence. i think through the cooperation that he allowed his staff to provide, his book, and other things, i think we know maybe 90% of what he's going to. saturday but i'm sure he's going to relay some conversations now that the court has freed him up to do so. >> quickly before we go in georgia, you and i spent a lot of time talking about that at one point you felt this was the most clear and present danger to trump. obviously that's changed, but still it could be crucial what happens there, whether there's an indictment. and fani willis, you and others felt this would be out in may. now she's come out and said july 11th till the end of the summer. what do you make of that delay? >> well, i think this goes back to -- keep in mind that her first press conference on this was before trump even left office. and then a year later we heard the charges were imminent, we heard the charges were imminent again in january. i think she's sort of hard to peg down. she's got a pending motion to

disqualify the attorney for several of the alternate electors, and today's news sort of obscures what is an important issue in the case, which is she's facing a very important deadline next week to respond to the petition that trump's lawyers filed to quash the reporter investigating -- or the grand jury that gave the findings, and to remove her and the judge from the case. so, i think there's a lot to play out. i don't see this happening before september. and as you and i have discussed, i don't see the justice department letting her proceed on the political front in advance of whatever they're going to do. i think the justice department will act before september. >> well, thank you very much, ty, as always. we'll speak to you soon, thank you. , and next, the former -- >> thank you, erin.

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tonight, more receipts. abby grossberg, who is the now fired fox news producer suing the network with allegations of a toxic work environment, and accusations that she was pressured to give misleading testimony in the dominion case. she is saying tonight that she still has nearly 100 more recordings, additional recordings from her time at fox. >> i still have -- i have several recordings that i'm still going through that we've recovered from all of the phones. there are 90 that we have. >> 90. well, grossberg, of course, worked on tucker carlson's show, among others. she shed light on how he treated potential guests. >> he would call and tell them that, that if you don't participate or you don't come on the show, we will destroy you. >> this coming, though, as carlson right now is still remaining totally silent in the wake of his abrupt firing from the network. our senior media reporter oliver

darcy is "outfront." nearly 90 tapes, abby says today that she still has. how worried is fox about them? >> they're not flattering tapes, and keep in mind, as you said, she not only worked as a top booker for tucker carlson, but she was a top producer for maria bartiromo, who was someone who factored big in this dominion lawsuit, and is also in the smartmatic lawsuit. so, in total, i imagine that the revelation that she has 90 tapes is probably more reason for the murdochs to settle this case with her. she's filed a lawsuit against them, and not let this drag on. >> so, in terms of what's happening at fox, you've got tucker gone, the biggest star there. how is it affecting them so far? >> well, last night the ratings were a lot softer than normal in the 8:00 p.m. hour, which tucker carlson normally hosted. and, notably, the ratings for the right-wing channel newsmax, which is a much smaller competitor, but they were up big last night in the ratings two to

three times the normal audience size. and, so, i think we're seeing an interesting trend, perhaps, in right-wing television as a result of this firing of tucker carlson. >> and perhaps changing of the media landscape as many of us grew up knowing it. thank you very much. i want to go now to senior associate dean for leadership studies at yale's school of management, who's done extensive work over the years on rupert murdoch, on the family on fox news. so when you hear abby grossberg say 90 more tapes, we have not yet heard, what do you hear when you hear that? >> it's pretty alarming. and as oliver just said in his excellent coverage that it's not all tucker carlson, it seems like quite a bit of it, as she admitted, i saw that full interview myself, that she was spying on her old friend maria bartiromo who, of course, compromised herself sadly in some ways so. eshe's got a lot to go beyond tucker carlson. she's not giving us a lot in terms of specific teasers so we

don't know how much substance there is, but she's got a lot to embarrass them. >> tucker carlson obviously was implicated in a lot of the dominion filings that became public. that, at least, was not the time frame under which he was let go. he was let go when it was, well, there's a lot of redacted stuff. at least that's the implication of where we are right now. but do you think more top anchors will be fired? >> well, be as we mentioned, maria bartiromo is in a very thin ice. and i think laura ingram is on thin ice and sean hannity. it's so fresh looking at the perilils with what sergey lavrov, the foreign minister said today. it was almost word for word scripts with tucker carlson. nobody else at fox had gone down that line doing the russian disinformation. so he was so far over that i don't think they bear the same risk. but some risk i do think, though, that the leadership there is some of the next heads to roll.

susan scott was shown in these sworn depositions in the emails to have been coercing people to not tell the truth, to not do fact-checking. and their general counsel, it's really shameful, he admitted he knew about this misconduct, too. >> as all this starts to happen. we heard all that and you thought it was a tree falling in the forest, nothing happened. but now maybe there's a snowball starting down the mountain, maybe. but what oliver was also -- last night, it's one night -- but did you see oan, right-leaning competitor, further right than fox, the numbers surged at 8:00. so, is this the beginning possibly of a significant change that could be very relevant coming into the political cycle we're in, in america? >> the only thing that oliver didn't put out there is what's a big night for right now i think for some of those networks, in particular we're looking at 100,000 viewers going up to 150. the pick that we saw for newsmax

in 2020 was around 200,000 viewers. that's not a big audience. so, yes, it's gone up a lot from a low base. but, still, i don't think we see a lot there. we do see the stock prices dropping. and advertisers, a couple of dozen major advertisers pulled away from tucker carlson a while ago. he would 12,000 ads of my pillow, mike lindell. that could put anybody to sleep. >> and a quick final question. how much of this is still rupert murdoch? >> it definitely is a foxenstein monster, he's lost control and he's very worried. the smartmatics case that is coming up, the shareholder lawsuits are going to put him very much on the hot seat. so he's going to want to settle, even though the damages might not be so high in terms of actual damages. what they have is the fear factor, they don't want the humiliation so they're going to pay high like they just did with dominion. they've halfway wiped out their profits this year.

>> and you already set a record. >> i don't think they can get insurance anymore. even elon musk has to self-insure his own board of directors. certainly rupert murdoch's going to have trouble insuring his directors, who also face liability. >> and that's very significant. thank you very much. , and next, a city divide. mostly white conservatives essentially accused of trying to take over a city in america that is 80% black and mostly democratic. >> we see this as an assault on black-elected leadership. >> that is a report that you will see first "outfront." plus, lost in space. a private company trying to make history by landing a spacecraft on the moon has now lost contact as of this moment, still don't know where it is.

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tonight, the naacp suing the state of mississippi. this comes after the governor signed legislation essentially allowing a state takeover of the city of jackson. it is facing a staggering increase in crime. critics say this means state officials who are mostly white and conservative have decided who controls the state's largest city which is 80% black and democratic.

we went to jackson for this story you'll see first "out front." >> reporter: we don't want the city to be taken over. but we're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. >> reporter: felicia owned owned this beauty salon for decades. >> they used to be open door and can you walk in. we can't allow that anymore. >> reporter: just ten years ago, there were 50 homicides in jackson a year. in 2021, that number jumped to more than 150 with the murder rate more t2 times the nalg nat -- national average. now there say deep divide between the city and state, law law enforcement patrol all of jackson and state leaders appoint something judges and prosecutors. but also, the state legislature is majority republican and majority white. they approve the laws that affect the city of jackson which is majority democratic and more than 80% black.

>> what kind of message do you think this sends to your residence? >> it czys we don't value your voice. we don't believe that black leadership is capable of moving forward for itself. >> this row that includes schools, churches, homes will soon become the new edge of the so-called capital complex improvement district. now old rules, the edge of the district would mean the edge of capital police's jurisdiction. now it extends beyond those boundaries, into the greater jackson giving the state run police jurisdiction citywide. in theory, to work with an understaffed city police department. >> you look at carjackings, you look at murders and say oh, that's crime problem. no, brother tl, that is a sympt of people not valuing themselves. >> the key to the success of any added officers goes beyond numbers. >> you have to go out your way to know these people veand have

relationship without them. >> both laws were introduced as bills by legislators who represent districts outside of jackson. >> they just cannot help themselves. >> reporter: democratic state senator john horn represented parts of jackson for more than 30 years. >> we see this as an assault on black elected leadership because we have political differences with our colleagues and because they have the political power and the will to bring about these changes. >> reporter: but the changes are coming. >> we need jackson to prosper. we as a state need a downtown area that is attracting young people to it. >> reporter: regardless of the representation issues, this bill seems to be providing some help. what do you say to folks argue that? >> in any moment when you find your yourself in a crisis, you don't want to reach for a solution that places you in a worse position than you already find yourself. >> let's go back down here.

>> reporter: outside of politics, some residents say any change is going to start on the ground. >> if you take the time out to value this place and see it for what it is, man, we will be first cousins. >> back in the salon, she knows the laws aren't perfect. but she also knows something has to change. what do you think you're going to need to unlock your doors again? >> it's going to take a lot. for people to feel comfortable again. >> reporter: now given t disagreements, i asked the governor how he envisions the implementation of the changes. he said part of the job is to manage expectations. ed ithe idea of a smooth implementation doesn't typically happen. we have already seen a lawsuit by the naacp. they argued in part that the civil liberties of residents are

eroded because the powers of local judges and elected officials are being essentially replaced by those of state appointed officials. >> kincredible story. to seat cr to see the crime numbers go up. thank you so much, omar. coming up, seven were arrested last night in protests supporting transgender montana legislator. the representative will join anderson tonight. next here, mission not accomplished ever or yet? so what happens that private spacecraft that was going to land on the moon today? it's missing. shake 'n feed. thatat's it. miracle-gro. all you need to know to grow. how to grow delicious herbs: step one: use miracle-gro potting mix. that's it.

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tonight, lost in space. a japanese company attempting the first moon landing by a private company says they lost contact with the lunar lander. i was supposed to land on the move after a three month journey today. mission control expected the communications to go dark for a little bit. but then 20 minutes after supposed to be landing, they saw nothing, didn't know it was

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