versus an algorithm. look, we have a problem. and the idea that senators stood up today and said, you know what, you ought to be 13 before you get on social media, i think it is a step in the right direction. we talked about disney tonight and governor desantis. desantis is messing with the wrong mouse. the idea like go back five years. imagine that i said to you a presidential candidate will take on disney and seize political advantage in it. doesn't make any sense. quickly on kamala harris and joe biden's age. let's be honest, vp harris is a decent person, but she's a drag on the ticket. i just had that conversation with van jones. i think she has to up her game or that will end up being the case. thanks for joining us. i will be back tomorrow. "cnn tonight" with alisyn camerota begins now. >> welcome. president biden facing two big

issues tonight, the first developments in the long running criminal investigation into his son. cnn has exclusive reporting that hunter biden's attorneys who you can see here met with justice officials today. prosecutors are still weighing to bring several tax charges and a false statement charges against the president's son. then there is the other big issue hovering over joe biden. that's his age. he will be 86 at the end of his term. we'll tell you what he's saying about that today that's different from what she's saying before. plus, the case about richard blossom. this man has been given three last meals before being granted reprieves. now he's scheduled to be executed again. will the supreme court step in? and sales of budlight dropped considerably since kid rock and others went ballistic on the beer, literally. we'll talk about the effort to

expand their customer base backfired in a big way. but we start at the white house where tonight they are rolling out the red carpet for a state dinner with south korea's president. you can see angelina jolie arriving with her son maddox here. this is a glitzy background for some of the problematic issues the president is facing as he launches his re-election bid. of course there is the continuing investigation into his son, hunter, and the lingering questions about the president's age. he addressed that one today. >> with regard to age, i can't even say, i guess, how old i am, i can't even say the number. it doesn't register with me. and but the only thing i can say is that one of the things that people are going to find out, they're going to see a race and they're going to judge whether or not i have it or don't have it. >> i totally relate to that. i often forget how old i am also

conveniently. we have a woman that knows her way around the dinner. lee carter, the author of "persuasion: convincing others when facts don't seem to matter." and mondair jones who has no idea what it means to get old. let's start with the one that i find more intriguing, and that's this investigation, this ongoing investigation into hunter biden. it's been going on five years. >> five years! >> and can you just remind us about this because this isn't about the laptop. >> no. >> this started five years ago. what triggered this? >> this is not a complicated case. this is a case about two things. first of all, hunter biden's personal tax returns. did he commit tax fraud. he's not a megacorporation. he's an individual. there is obscure federal firearms law that says you cannot possess a firearm when you are an addict. apparently he lied and obtained

a firearm. that is not a five-year investigation. that's a six-month investigation at most. >> why has this been going on? >> i think nobody wants to make a call here because it is the ultimate darned if you do, darned if you don't. half the country will be delighted. half the country will be furious. and this goes back three attorneys general. this was started before bill barr. then bill barr took it over. then he passed it to merrick garland. prosecutors are really good at passing the buck if they don't want to make the call. but that tells me they have to, prosecutors have to be very close to an end game in an actual decision. >> i thought his lawyers were the ones that prompted the meeting. >> usually there is back and forth. and if you are close to making a decision, you would say, hey, if you want to come in and make a pitch, which happens all the time, now is the time to get in here. >> will voters hold this against joe biden in this upcoming election? >> i think the voters who did

last time were going to. we're careening into the rematch that nobody wants, which is joe biden versus donald trump. 70% of americans want someone other than joe biden. 60% on the republican side want someone other than donald trump. both parties look like they will re-nominate those officials. i think joe biden was an easy attack to use. i think it's important. this isn't about some of the corruption, some of the, you know, financing he may have taken from foreign entities. that is what republicans have glomed on to. this is not related to it. but at the end of the day, i'm not sure it is a make or break issue. he's not serving in the administration or the white house. it is a relative of the president. >> your thoughts? >> i think 55% of americans are tired. they have fatigue about all of these probes. they think they're politically motivated. they're tired of them. i don't think they will change anybody's mind. if you decided you are going to vote against joe biden, you are going to be motivated to vote against joe biden because of this. if you decide against donald

trump because of his issues, you are motivated by it. i think people want to focus on the issues that matter most to them. >> congressman? >> i agree. you don't need to do too much work to figure out how people will view the race between biden and trump which is 75% more likely to be the republican nominee because we have had this showdown before back in 2020. and i would also say the fact that the president himself has not been implicated in any of this alleged criminal conduct i think tells you that they are going to be a whole bunch of people, a majority of americans that do not blame him at all for this. >> let's talk about president biden's age. i'm not sure what we are supposed to say about this. it is not changing. >> actually, it is going up. none of us are getting any younger. so i'm not sure what he is supposed to do about it. however, he did address it differently today than he has in the past. in the past he said, just watch me. watch me.

basically he's saying i get more accomplished in a year than, you know, most people in a week or whatever. but this time he said, you know, i have given it a lot of thought. like as though this time he didn't dismiss it. he said, i've given it deep thought. yet one of the polls that says for those that don't want joe biden to run for president how much of a reason is age, and it is a major reason. 48% to 21% it is not a reason. >> he can't hide from it. it will be one of the major issues on the campaign trail. it featured vice president harris over a dozen times. they were leaning into we have a younger vice president just in case. for some time there was kind of a skepticism in a notion they were distant, the biden presidency was distancing itself from the vice president. i thought that was by design. however, the white staff didn't on launch day. the answer from the white house press secretary essentially saying i'm not going to answer now if he will serve a full term

if re-elected. that will come to ad campaigns and we will hear that going into election day. >> yeah. >> i think it will be interesting to see the role the vice president plays here. what everyone may think of her, she's not very popular. she got 2% in the democratic primary. it will be interesting to see if they feature her as a don't worry, folks. we have her. she's good or if they try to minimize her. the ad that came out yesterday does feature her heavily. >> will that help? can they now revitalize her image? >> i don't think that it's going to be easy for a couple of reasons. number one, she's not a dynamic speaker. in many ways she turns people off for whatever reason. >> really? because i think people do like her. like when she speaks in her element, you know, where we've seen her recently, i think that -- i can't remember which funeral, but it was powerful when she was speaking at some gun violence funeral, and she --

i thought that was something that people did respond to her when she was on the campaign trail originally. >> she got a 36% approval rating right now. yesterday she stood up. it should have been a slam dunk. she stood up and talked about women's rights. she had an amazing stage, amazing setting and she couldn't stick the landing on what she was talking about. this is something that should be easy for her to talk about. this is something we want to hear from her. republicans will switch to democrat because of that issue alone and she couldn't get the message out. i think she has a difficult road ahead of her. i don't think she strengthens joe biden at all. >> so i disagree. i think she's a dynamic speaker. i think when she's speaking about issue she's credible on and that the white house can actually do something about, she's received favorably. the problem is that the white house has given her issues that were doomed to fail from the beginning, right? you know, and i have said this before. they gave her voting rights before the president had even

come out in support of filibuster reform. they gave her the crisis at the border that congress is only going to solve through comprehensive immigration reform. so i hope moving forward that she gets to focus more on issues like abortion and other issues that are top of mind for american voters, including a lot of republicans and certainly a lot of independents in that she's able to be on the stump. and the way we saw her with the tennessee three a few weeks ago which got rave reviews and which is a subject she's credible on, the issue of race and justice and how to, you know, solve for these problems using government to the extent possible. >> i will say as someone that worked for a president that often got the issues that he didn't want to deal with on his portfolio, vice president pence, the job is do no harm. i use mike pence as an example of somebody. he would show up and reliablely deliver a speech. he was seen as a steady force than trump. what i see with vice president

harris that i think is why the polling numbers just really align with i think, pekted popularity is the ability to deliver a message continually doesn't land. i first blame staff. it is not hard to have a teleprompter at speech and deliver it. but we're three years in and it is not getting better in my observation. >> here is what david axelrod said today about -- david axelrod strategist for president obama. about joe biden's anyone. sorry. i'll read it. he said when you are looking at polling, when you watch focus groups, the thing that people bring up first we're in unchartered waters. we have never had a president this old. wisdom, experience and perspective at a time when there is so much churn and turmoil, those are assets for him. as you get older and you have been in washington for decades, you do know how things work. are you surprised he's not

getting more credit for the wisdom that comes with age. >> one thing i find is really interesting and i'm interested in the political people's view on this, donald trump is no spring chicken either. he's four years younger than joe biden, exactly four years. yet, you never hear people say trump is too old. i don't know why that is. i don't know if he's just projects this sort of manic energy or i don't know why. it's something else. >> i think donald trump when he was asked about this question he said it's not about the number, it is about how you present. it is about how with it you are in many ways. i think when people say in focus groups and i have moderated different focus groups with different voters, they are concerned about his age. it is not about the number, it is about his ability to deliver. >> you are talking about joe biden? >> joe biden, absolutely, yeah. >> i think joe biden has more word finding difficulties. part of it may be because of his stutter. but donald trump doesn't always make sense.

>> no. >> you'll remember reagan leaned into this and said -- chalked it up to experience. my concern with president biden is there has to be one line you stick to on it or it will go all sorts of places and be an issue. >> if we were in a different moment in history, even 5 to 10 years ago this would be a different analysis. we are so polarized as a society that this now takes on an outsized role. whereas, someone who is literally the most accomplished president in modern history should be able to run on that and so long as he's able to run for re-election people shouldn't be overly concerned about his age. but it's -- people talk about that more than the fact that he passed all this incredible legislation. >> thank you very much for those perspectives. next how budlight found itself under fire, literally, in the culture wars. and what lessons are there for other popular brands in this?

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it. since then, bud light's parent company anheuser-busch has faced serious backlash. they said they work with hundreds of influencers and the commemorative can was a gift to celebrate a personal milestone and is not for sale to the general public. tonight nikki haley gave her two cents on the controversy. >> have any of y'all seen dylan mulvaney? do you know who that is on the beer can? let me tell you something. i know that there are transgender people out there. that is not a transgender person. that is a guy dressing up like a girl making fun of women. every one of you women have seen that. [ applause ] >> we don't act like that. yet, companies are glorifying him. and then we're supposed to tell

our girls, be strong or be confident? what are we doing? >> do you want to just share your response to that? >> well, i think that this is a really, really slippery slope, and i understand the point nikki haley was trying to make there. i don't think she made it artfully or well. i think there are a lot of people out there that say the way that she portrays women is actually a stereotype of women. if you want to make that argument, that's fine. my bigger issue with bud light is bud light themselves and the way they handles. it's not that they gave out the can. i think it's a clever idea. they gave out hundreds of can. that's smart. the problem is way they handled the crisis on the other side of it. what they should have said is we're trying not to be fratty. they should have said, you know what, we are the beer for all americans. whether you're trans, whether you are a republican, whether you are maga, we're the beer for all americans.

we're not discriminatory. the issue would have gone away. instead, they added fuel to the fire and that to me is the biggest mistake. >> how bud light handled this and whether they messed up their markets. just tonight, this is what former governor nikki haley said. what are your thoughts? >> i think what nikki haley said was crazy, okay? if someone identifies as trans, you can't tell them they're not trans. i don't know if she's feeling pressure to lean more heavily into these culture wars because many of her opponents or would be opponents in the case of ron desantis have become known for those things as of late. but i don't know that she's going to look back on that commentary in a couple of months and be proud of what she said tonight. >> i think that's well said. what i worry about with the republican candidates leaning into the culture wedge issues is they're drawing a circle of voters they keep shrinking.

it gets to a place where if you are coming out so hard against the lgbtq community, i'm not trans, but i have friends that are. or if you have people that aren't affected by it, they don't like the meanness. it is punching down. talk about china, nikki haley. you were the china ambassador. it feels small. it feels divisive. i quoted this stat last week on this program. 67% of republicans want to see -- want to see more protections for the lgbtq community against dit crimination. why are we targeting them and singling them out?stunned by its smarter than that. >> why would people care so much? okay. a big company gives these ceremonial cans to lots of people. why would that cause uproar that otherwise serious politicians or politicians that want to be taken seriously to dig in. i understand the concept of choosing these culture wars, but i think there is a risk of

overplaying it. look at ron desantis. he picked this fight with disney where he's about to get trashed in court, i think, and i think it is backfiring on him politically as well. >> why do people care so much? >> well, look, i think there is a base of conservative voters who really don't like the move towards wokeness. they don't like the change. they don't like all that it represents, and they want to go back to times where things were simpler. that is fine. but we don't need to declare war. the conservative values are supposed to be get government out of my body. get government out of my life. let me live my life, and that should be it. the culture wars are divisive because they end up subtr subtracting -- you are subtracting. you are supposed to be adding. it should be about addition. you need to add to your base. if you are nikki haley, you need to be adding more people, not taking away. you are not trying to take trump voters. that's not what nikki haley is going to do.

her appeal is something different. she needs to find her lane, and she hasn't yet. >> there is the politics of this and the marketing. in terms of the marketing in bud light, is one of the problems congressman that if you are going to partner with somebody, they have to authentically like your product. it would have been easy to partner with president reagan on jelly beans. he liked jelly beans and everybody knew he liked jelly beans. i don't know that mulvaney drinks bud light. i didn't get the impression she did. >> but there are trans people who do, right? if a company wants to be -- and i think bud light was clearly going for -- i don't think they just like randomly came up with this thing. i think they were trying to be inclusive. got caught up in the backlash in this political moment, relatedly this is not the first time that bud light featured l ggbtq community or the trasn

community, but because we are in this moment in time where republicaning are waging an all-out assault on the trans community, which is a tiny community in this country, this is just being received in a way that it historically has not. >> i think they were trying to be inclusive. they ended up being exclusive. by that, the comments she made afterwards -- >> the marketing executives. the marketing executive said we need to fight against the fratty culture. we're trying to be more modern and you dismiss a swath of people that disagree with you. this was a very, very -- it was abysmally handled because most major beer companies do reach out to the lgbtq community. again, we're beer for all america. but i think they handled it totally wrong. >> well, they're paying the price. these two marketing executives have been suspended, and they are down. bud light is down 17%, it seems,

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his attorneys are filing an appeal to the supreme court. he not only maintains his innocence, a lot of people on death romain tan their innocence, there is all sorts of new evidence that has come to light since he was convicted that he was not responsible for this murder. >> it is way beyond maintaining his innocence. this is really disturbing. this is a prosecutor's worst nightmare to put someone who might be innocent to death. indicator number one, the state attorney general is arguing for clemency here and attended the hearing today. by the way, this is not some democratic or liberal prosecutor. this is a republican ag in the state of oklahoma, and he was supported by a bipartisan group of oklahoma state legislatures including more republicans than democrats. let's start with that. there was a 343-page sort of postmortem report done on this case and it is astonishing. it is disturbing. evidence was destroyed that should have been preserved after the first trial. the cops basically implanted the

concept of the star witness, the only witness, the guy that did the killing with the baseball bat, he was the only witness that tied richard blossom to this. and the cops basically when they interviewed him say, hey, there is only one person you could lay this off on and they didn't turn it over to the defense. >> and that guy recanted. >> the star witness has since recanted his system. >> yes. there is every indicator here this person was wrongly convicted. if he's put to death, it would be the worst injustice. >> so many people are arguing for him, including kim kardashian who i believe we can hear what she had to say about this. >> i think that there was hardly any evidence that linked him, none, you know, to his case. and i think that i personally don't believe in the death penalty, and i think that everyone deserves at least to have their case fully examined

before they're about to be executed. it is just really that simple. and i just don't feel like he's gotten a fair chance. >> as you know, he's taken on some social justice cases. but this conviction is so dubious. why not just pause it in order to get the evidence out there? >> i have to wonder if the governor will end up intervening. i think he's the only person that could. you would know better than me at this point. i do believe in the death penalty in the most extreme cases only for capital offenses and with a party appellate process. by the way, i think there should be unanimity. when you have a 2-2 decision that shouldn't be moved forward with an irreversible injustice. that should be something that puts it back. and he's had three final meals. that borders on cruel and unusual, to put someone through the mental anguish of going through that. i hope this shines a light on it because this needs to be looked

into further. >> i don't believe in the death penalty and not for the reason that i think a lot of liberals don't agree with. i don't think it's inhumane. you can never perfect that process. and we are seeing that play out in this latest instance. and, so, if you can't administer this perfectly when it comes to something as severe as death, something as final as death, then it should not be in existence. i think it is racist in its application. this is a situation not of racism but where the evidence is clear that there is at least not a threshold of beyond a reasonable doubt for convicting this person of having directed someone else to commit this murder. and i don't know how he was ever -- you know, his conviction was vacated. then somehow he is reconvicted, which is really telling. but the fact the state attorney general, the republican attorney general who in his words for the first time is appearing before the board in that 45 republicans in the state legislature are also supporting this, it is

really startling. >> is there any way for us to look at this? >> well, i think that if this moves forward and on may 18th he's executed, i do believe this will be a complete change in how people view the death penalty because what we've seen over time is fewer and fewer people support the death penalty. there is 55% of americans that support the death penalty, but that's been decreasing over time. and the reason is because people want it done in absolute circumstances. you want it to be rare and you want it to be certain and you want it to be for extreme crimes. when you look at something like this, when there is new evidence, there is a shadow of a doubt, there is 2-2 in a vote, they haven't even looked fully at the case, it seems inhumane, it seems unreasonable and it seems wrong. then it becomes a much different conversation. i think if this does go forward, it will change how people view the death penalty. >> can the supreme court get involved? >> yes. the governor can commute or even pardon. the u.s. supreme court have not done a lot of that.

but there is a couple interesting things happening. there are cases that come up that really test the metal of people who are against the death penalty. think about the parkland shooter. think about the boston marathon shooter, right? the biden administration did not abandon seeking the death penalty for him. as lee says, though, the line keeps moving to where now you are wrapping in cases where there is real doubt. i do wonder maybe with a bit of optimism, i suppose, that will this change broader views on the death penalty because we have been stuck in place. but you have seen a republican swell of support coming out of oklahoma. look, kim kardashian has a lot of attention. and, you know, god bless her for bringing attention to important causes. i wonder if this causes a shift of where we think as a public as a whole. >> we will stay on it because it's up to the governor now and we'll see what that decision is. thank you all very much.

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what happens when politics and school dress codes collide? well, a non-binary student at nashville christian school says they were banned from prom for wearing a suit. this student wrote i wasn't allowed in the doors because i was wearing a suit. i should not have to conform to femininity to attend my school prom. the school responded all of our students know from our school handbook when they do not follow

such expectations at school-sponsored events they may be asked to leave. in michigan students are suing the district after being told to remove their let's go brandon sweatshirts. the mother of the student says instead of seeing political sweatshirts as a conversation starter between students, officials saw it as an opportunity to discriminate against opinions they didn't like. i'm proud of my sons for standing up for their first amendment rights. i'm back with my panel now. let's start with the christian school in nashville because they say it is against their dress code for the nonbinary student to go in a suit. however, we pulled their dress code. and it does not -- i don't find it that clear, frankly. here is what it says. all students should choose banquet attire appropriate for modesty and consistent with the biblical principles to guide student behavior and the statement of faith of nashville christian school. students that do not adhere to

these expectations may be asked to leave the event. >> i read the bible. i was a sunday schoolteacher for a period in my life. it's not in there. it's not hitting the way they think it does. i'm sad about both these situations. >> you think they should both be allowed to wear what they want? >> i do. i think it is an issue of free speech. look, if the dress code were more explicit and not just applied conveniently in the context of this prom, if both conditions were satisfied, i may have a different analysis, but it is clear that they just didn't like that this nonbinary person who presents like a female was wearing a suit to a prom. >> furthermore, i find also the michigan dress code to be not explicit enough in terms of the let's go brandon policy. in conflict with state policy, so the dress code you can't wear. it is a danger to the student's health or safety is obscene.

it is disrupting to teaching or a learning environment by calling undue attention to o oneself. let's go brandon is none of those things. >> i think they said it was conjuring up swear words. it is ridiculous. you should be able to wear what you want to wear in these situations. i think when i look at these there is a double standard here. when you look at the trans student, there is a gofundme page so she could have her own event. there is an outcrying of support for her, everybody saying this is absolutely outrageous. when you look at the conservative students, you don't see that same kind of support. there is this ground swell of support saying let's support first amendment rights. >> do you see the difference between a fashion statement, which you could say wearing a suit -- wearing pants instead of a dress, and a political statement which let's go brandon, i don't think it's

insane but it is a political statement. do you see the difference? >> they are different, but they're both expressions. you should be allowed to express yourself within the confines of the rules that are put in front of you. i don't see why one would get great support and one would not. >> i agree that both should be permissible. i'm sure in right wing media right now there is a ton of support for the let's go brandon kid. maybe it is not as loud. but i think there are probably gofundmes, if not at least one in existence. i think people are rallying behind this person and maybe he will be encouraged to run for office one day because of his bravery in wearing this to high school. >> okay. go ahead. >> i was going to say for the nashville school, it's a news flash, women wear pants. >> they are all allowed to wear pants at this school. >> that's what i was curious about. we were just talking about at the white house correspondence dinner, if i was fashionable

enough, i would have worn a suit. it's a free speak issue. we know it comes from a crass derogatory statement to the president. >> both school administrators need to just take a breath, relax. i mean, this is an expression. look, we have an election coming up. if you are not going to allow a let's go brandon shirt, you can't allow a biden 2024 shirt or a trump 2024 shirt. i think generally speaking we would want students engaging in that sort of political discourse, even if it is a wee bit crass or secondhand eludes to something profane. on the prom, let the kids do what they want. there is no harm in this whatsoever. let them dress how they want. it's absurd. it is 2023. as long as the clothing is not physically dangerous or the person is not nude, go for it and have fun. >> i'll tell you who cut quite a sloth of the their prom. i believe we have a photo that

proves what ellie was wearing. >> oh, yeah. >> i offered this up to your producers as -- as a public service announcement because, kids, while you should dress how you want, understand there will be consequences with that. >> what's wrong with that? >> what i'm wearing here is a jordan jammer brand tux. this is 1993. this is in michael jordan and jammer as in someone that dunks a basketball. the pants went up to my bellybutton and the jacket ended at that point. >> i can't see your date. >> that's on purpose. there is no way i'm going to expose her. >> look at that head of hair. >> okay. let's see it. i don't even know what this is. >> whoa. >> i think i have corn rows. >> oh! >> j-lo was huge in that era. >> oh! >> that is amazing. we have to see the corn rows.

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jones. -- >> i watched, actually, several times. tucker carlson is the one that made me forget people are kind. -- most don't hate their neighbor. most aren't afraid of their neighbor. and he talks about the big stories that the media is not covering. they show tried to rewrite history. while the other networks are covering actual, real news -- it is welcome to have him off the airwaves. i was concerned about the fact he was -- military bases, he was radicalizing people, some of the things he espoused, particularly with regard to the war in ukraine were very, very dangerous -- but just a tremendous lack of self awareness is so stunning. >> some mondaire? >> i think it's part of his persona, right? he knows that he has lied repeatedly about things. and we have evidence of that now, in the dominion discovery. and so i think this is about preserving his persona for whatever he does next, whether it is starting his own show, or network, or podcast, i guess, or maybe even running for

president of the united states senate. but this guy continues to not learn from his mistakes. and i think, frankly, has been given no incentive, especially acts as it's been reported that he's going to get the remainder of the 20 billion dollar annual contract that -- >> salary, yeah. i think that he projects -- it's a shame that he had to come off the air for four days before we head to realize that people in the country are genuinely kind and hilarious and wonderful. that's a shame. >> it's clearly a man who exists in an echo chamber. and -- >> of his own creation -- >> of his own creation -- -- no one forgets when john stewart and he got into it on hardball. that will live on for eternity. substantive points like that do last. that's going to follow him. he's going to be remembered by this, being fired from all three cables. >> and he also was the person who was ginning up the relevant debates. >> of course. he couldn't help but mentioned

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