toddler on the tracks. >> you just heard an engineer on a train moving 70 miles an hour spotted the boy for a slammed on the brakes before he radioed others. a conductor on the train heading in the opposite direction saw the child, jumped out of his car, and grabbed him, brought him onto the train. the boy, who has autism, is nonverbal, isn't injured, thankfully. he only had a splitter in his hand. his mother called his rescue a quote miracle from guam god. the mta president honored the engineer and three other employees in a ceremony of yesterday. that's it for us. news continues. cnn with michael's smerconish starts now. . how about 13 for you get access to social media? tonight congress taking action in the midst of the largest epidemic of.

lawmakers, they argue that they know what is driving the deadly crisis, and that it's social media. so today a group of bipartisan senators caught, and schatz, murphy, brit unveiled a bill that would establish an age of 13 for social media use, calling it a common sense bipartisan approach to stop the suffering. the legislation would require tech companies to get parents consent before creating accounts for users under the age of 18. this federal move follows utah last month, becoming the first state to require consent from parents before minors joined the social media platform. that's the most aggressive yet to shield kids from potential dangers online. it's not just legislators who have been active. in january the seattle public school district filed suit against parent companies of pit snapchat, tiktok, saying they had all potentially contributed

to these mental health -- to file suit against social media companies. at the time d.a. -- told cnn, it is no different and opioid manufacturers, and distributors causing havoc among young people in our communities. these developments they coincide with u.s. senator john fetterman admitting himself recently for clinical depression at walter reed. his public candor about his struggles have sparked a very necessary conversation. while his hospital admission, became the same week the cdc released a report documenting a mental health crisis among american adolescents, particularly our girls. they surveyed more than 17,000 teens across all 50 states, and washington d.c.. they found that in 2021, the percentage of high school students who experienced, quote, persistent feelings of sadness,

or hopelessness was 42%, up 28% from a decade earlier. to break it all down by gender, it is a 57% female, 29% mail. in 2011, the sheriff high school students who seriously considered attempting suicide was 16%, by 2021 it was now 22%. just stop and contemplate that. more than one in five american teams has seriously considered attempting suicide, and among girls that number is 30%. ready for this, 24% of our girls have actually made a suicide plan. the numbers on depression and suicidal thoughts are even higher in the lgbtq+ community. so, what might account for the stunning spike in this data? psychologist -- raised a giant red flag about this in 2017 after studying the

mental health metrics of teens. she published her findings in a much published book called -- it is the term ph.d. at san diego state university uses to refer to those born between 1995, and 2012. she also wrote a provocative article in the atlantic back then saying this. around 2012, i noticed abrupt shift in teen behaviors, and emotional states. in all my analysis of generational data i had never seen anything like it. it is not an exaggeration to describe i jen as being on the brink of the worst mental health crisis in decades. much of this deterioration can be traced to their phones. 20 warned of what was on the horizon, and she was right. six years later she has just published a follow-up, a new book with more data backing up her hypothesis, connecting social media to teen depression. it is called generations. she points out that 2012 marked

the year where more than half of america now had sulfones. it was also the year that facebook acquired instagram. it was the beginning of the selfie era, which all coincided with the steep declines in teens hanging out with friends, dating, having sex. that might sound like good news for parents, but it is actually tied to steep rises in teen depression and suicide. and much of it can be traced to changes in their interaction due to technology. ironically, connectivity, it has made us more addicting connected. it is not complicated, good things happen for us when we socialize in person. and have common experiences regardless of party's filiation income or race. the alternative is perilous. all of this separation is harming our kids, leaving all of us scared and distorting the depth of our political divide. and it has all been made worse by the fact that society still does not treat brain and physical health of the same. there remains a stigma to the former, which causes those afflicted to remain in the shadows.

schools, workplaces, health care plans. an american society in general still don't treat those with a mental illness st. way it treats those with a physical affliction. think about it, called for covid someone in your orbit to gets cancer, what happens? people rushed to raise gofundme money. bake cakes and help take care of the kids. but if the affliction is anxiety or depression, many will shun, even those they know. and that is if the illnesses made public at all. insurance coverage often is not equitable. many mental health providers, they refuse the paperwork of participation. leaving people in need to scramble for scarce treatment resources. and too many go untreated. and that is why this crisis has become such a deadly one.

but with this new legislation, finally there is some hope. there could be health on the horizon. there might be solutions. i want to talk about this now with a friend of mine, and why you professor scott galloway. he is the author of a book, adrift, and host of the professor podcast. scott thank you so much for being here, what do you make of the fact that there is now this bipartisan bill seeking to impose an age requirement for access to social media? >> well i think it is good news. governments are supposed to prevent a tragedy that brings us together, and represents the public. and i think it is heartening to see this.

quite frankly it is overdue. this has been, as you mentioned, going on since 2011. my colleague at nyu jonathan has basically found that it is no longer just correlation, but it is causation, he controlled for the other causes of depression. and found that social media was in fact, you know, had a big correlation -- what was most stunning in his research, michael, was that he found that the levels of depression which increased naturally or hit natural levels, even through covid. and that is the ultimate catalyst for social distancing,

social media. not covid. so i think it is heartening. i hope it happens. it will be the first legislation against big tech. think about this, you have the s cc for the finance industry, the fda for the food and pharmaceutical industry. we literally have no regulation across an industry where now at one in five tenth graders are spending seven hours a day, and as you referenced, appears to be the increasing cause of harm and depression among our most valuable resource. our teens. >> i heard bill maher addressed this subject recently. it might have been the night that you were on most recently. and in a word, he referred to it as mingling. we have to mingle. our kids need to mingle. because they are growing up now evil wade of the social

interaction that was part in parcel of you and i when we were being mentored by older folks that we wish to follow in their footsteps. >> well if there is a very dangerous trend, but it's so special activity no among some people's asynchronous. when you take out the synchronicity and the in-person dynamic of social interaction, our discourse becomes more course. people become less awful. people don't learn in realtime what is appropriate behavior and what doesn't. people have an opportunity to misinterpret peoples intentions. they are just generally thinking about -- you would never say this, people would never say these things to you in person. and i don't care if you are dedicated to or cars or dogs or humans or mammals. when we are isolated from each other, what is the most severe punishment other than capital punishment in america? it is isolation in our prisons. we are mammals, we are meant to see, touch, and feel each other. and when we don't, we literally

go crazy. or in this instance, when the number of teens who see their friends every day is cut in half, you have skyrocketing mental illness. what is the most disturbing thing about professor hides study is that there is a cohort effect. because the natural solution would be to reduce the amount of time kids are spending on social media. but what he has found is that when kids are spending so much

time on social media, when one person gives it up or their parents take it away, they to become depressed because they are ostracized or isolated. so we are talking about a generational impact on social media. or depression of social media. not just amongst those who are using it, but everyone in that cohort. >> scott, i know business leaders including those in silicon valley play close attention to what you have to say. you are so good at saying around corners. what do you think their response will be to all of this?

because it is multifaceted, right? it is now federal legislators. there is the action on the state level. there is the county that i was born and raised in. there is the school district in seattle. oh now saying the same thing. how do you think they will respond in silicon valley? >> they will act very concerned, say that this is a huge problem. it will welcome at least publicly regulation, and then they will deploy an army of capital lobbyist to slowly kill any regulations. they will be totally disingenuous. and they will attempt to fight this and claim that they are concerned. but this is not the right regulation. will make incredibly stunning statements like that they are concerned with the first amendment constitutional rights of teams. and the rest of corporate america, specifically one cohort will be expressionless concerned. plus, just in, new reporting that says that fox news may a discovery about tucker carlson on the eve of the dominion trial. all that when we return. mass general brigham -- when you need some of the brightest minds in medicine. this is a leading healthcare system with five nationally ranked hospitals,

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the empire for speaking out against legislation that bans schools from teaching about sexual orientation and gender identity. desantis and his office say there is no legal right for a company to operate its own government or get special privileges. speaking of course about the benefits and the break that disney gets for its monumental presence in florida. but is it a war worth taking on politically? peter thiel is a tech billionaire and a republican megadonor. he has donated $35 million to 16 candidates in the last election. 12 of whom won. he was an early supporter of donald trump. but thiel says he is not giving a dime to republican candidates this election cycle. why? because he says the party is

now too obsessed with culture wars. issues like abortion, transgender bathrooms, book banning, critical race theory. and now disney. financial 2024 rivals of desantis, if he chooses to jump in, don't think it is a good fight for him. take nikki haley today for instance. >> if it disney would like to move their hundreds of thousands of jobs to south carolina and bring the billions of dollars of with them, i will let them know i will be happy to meet them in south carolina and introduce them to the governor and the legislature that would welcome it. >> message being, we are like old republicans in this state, pro business. but desantis sees this as a win. convincing corporations to make like frozen on political stances and let it go. >> when we had the kerfuffle with disney, that actually helped a lot of ceos around the country, because they go to their board and say, look, we don't want to be the next disney. we have got to stay out of this

stuff and we have got to focus on the task at hand. >> but at least four tonight it seems disney has had enough, telling desantis that if he wants to fight, be our guest. i'm joined now by cnn economics and political commentator catherine rampell. i read the disney complaint. it makes i think a pretty convincing argument when you go through the tiktok that it was all retaliatory. meaning desantis and what he did to disney, never before had even crushing reading creek and the whole composition. what do you make of it? >> absolutely. you know, if the republican party was once about condemning democrats for choosing winners and losers, this is about the republican party now deciding but they are entitled, or at least certain members of the republican party, they are entitled to choose winners and losers.

the winners being friends, and the losers being perceived political enemies. i think desantis has been quite clear about his motivations here. >> it doesn't seem to have cost him in florida, for reasons i am not quite certain. but i don't know how it would play across the country. i saw some polling data that suggests republicans don't want government to be retaliatory. what do you think the stakes are? >> i do think that desantis actions should be viewed in the context of a lot of these kinds of punitive members. retaliatory, excuse me, regulatory texts related measures to try to exact revenge against, again, perceived political enemies. it is interesting that peter thiel is now pulling out and you connected that to desantis 's actions. remember, trump was quite the innovator on this front. he used tax policy, tariff policy, antitrust policy, government procurement to try to use the power of the state to crashes political enemies. whether it was in some cases cnn, right? he supposedly intervened to try

to block a merger that involved a parent company of cnn. or other media companies or other companies that had crossed him. so this is not particularly original to desantis. in some ways i think this is sort of a -- version of the trump policy. it does seem like there are members of the gop base who like it. who like this sort of grievance politics. not governing in the interests of what is most, you know, economically efficient. or what promotes public welfare. it is about using the power of the state to crush your enemies. >> it is kind of amazing. i mean, apple pie, mom, disney, why are you picking a fight with mickey mouse? who fights mickey mouse? i have to take advantage of the fact that you are here and ask you about this breaking story. so informations coming to light that fox executives and the board of directors did not know about what had been redacted, emails, texts, communications, private communications from tucker carlson. they came to light on the eve of trial. and apparently precipitated the settlement. your thoughts? >> you know, i think it is possible, that is what happened here. i am a little bit incredulous in that, you know, are we really shock that there was gambling in casablanca? a really shocked that tucker carlson was maybe saying some misogynistic and vulgar comments behind the scenes? i am not. so if his boss is were suddenly deciding that that is beyond the pale, i find that, i am just a little bit skeptical of that version of events. >> fox said, just an observation as an attorney, fox and up getting the worst of all worlds, because typically you pay money and you settle a case because you don't want there to be a public airing of your dark dirty laundry. in this case, like, it all got out, i am sure that -- >> we don't know it all got out. >> more will come. right. they wrote the enormous truck

as well. they should have settled sooner, as a business proposition. >> that does seem like it would have been a better course of action. that they got, you know, at least some of the dirty laundry aired. again, we don't know what else was suppressed as a result of this getting settled. or not suppressed, but, you know, what else wasn't disclosed in and released in discovery. so it doesn't seem like they came out particularly well from this episode. but, you know, again, they should have known what they were getting into, right? it is not like they should be surprised that one of their on air talent members who is known for making massaging a stick and racist comments on air was making similar comments behind the scenes, they shouldn't be surprised, perhaps, that they were saying things that turned

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so zephyr being punished for saying this in a debate about a bill restricted transgender rights. >> if you vote yes on this bill, and yes on these amendments, i hope the next time there is an indication when you bow your heads in prayer you see the blood on your hands. >> my next guest is one of the republicans who voted in favor of the ban. mike hopkins. thank you so much for joining me. is there more to this story? or is that it? >> i would certainly say that there is more to the story. there is not too much more though. on the house floor like in congress we have rules for the quorum, and when you violate those rules you have to apologize for violating those rules, or you are not going to be recognized until you do. >> i took a look at your state constitution, i think it is article five which speaks of the ability to expel or punish a member for good cause. is that what triggered this vote, good cause? >> well specifically what triggered it, well there is two different stages to it.

the first thing was representative effort wanted to stay on the house floor like you had played. individuals had voted for the bill had blood on their hands and et cetera. that is what led to the lack of recognition on the house floor. evoked that was experienced today was based off the fact that in addition to obviously not apologizing for that there is then an organization to bring in a bunch of individuals who agreed with her the house floor to yell at members and thirst for the gallery, and prevent us from actually being able to do our business. >> representative hopkins, haven't you just made her stronger? i mean, to me it is akin to the case that we all just watched in tennessee with the three legislators, two of whom were expelled, and by the way very

quickly restored. i, mean i would love to see zoe's efforts fundraising today. i have to believe it is through the roof because of all of this. and all of a sudden people who have never heard of her saying her name. and in many cases probably rallying to support her? new york >> i think that is true. look, i like representatives after, so i think that is all for the better of her. but i guess i would say mike, you have been around for a while. in d. c., about a week ago, two weeks ago, there was a congressional hearing during which the congresswoman for the georgia 14th said some comments that were in violation of the committee's decorum, in violation of the committee's rules. somebody else on the committee called that out, and used the rules to prevent or from participating in the rest of the hearing. now that may have made mtg a

little more popular with her constituents, but at the end of the day, i have to say, is the question, do you want to violate the decorum of the body and the ability to act? >> did we lose the feed? we lost the field. son of a gun, i was enjoying that conversation as well. i was going to say, i will finish my thought, and i am so appreciative of representative hopkins coming on the program to voice his thoughts. oh, he is back. okay, we lost you there for a second. i am thrilled you are back. what i was going to say is that i am all about decorum and civility. i enjoy having this conversation with you. i founded objectionable, do you remember when one of the representatives yelled out at obama when he was speaking to a joint session. you lie! i think that stuff is terrible. but in this case, i just think that the punishment is so outweighing the, quote unquote, crime. and we'll have the opposite impact of what perhaps you were looking for. >> hey, i think that is fair. i think that our purpose isn't

to worry about whether someone 's fundraising money, our purpose isn't to worry about whether someone is popular with their constituency. you, know 16 billion dollars might not be all that much to other states like new york and california, but it is a lot of money here in montana. we have a budget to put together, we have conversations about in what situations individuals lose their fundamental freedoms in this country. spendthrift their lives and selves. so i think our horry is making sure that we are able to have those conversations, without them being interrupted for political purposes. >> final thought, am i right that this was given priority over resolving the budget? like you still have to address that and you have very little time left on your calendar? >> no, the budgets moving along regularly. the only thing that did upset the budget was the fact that the house was not able to actually conduct any business for a significant amount of time. because we had a gallery full of energetic individuals looking to have their voices heard. which is fine, except it manifested itself and yelling cuss words at members. >> got it, all right. final thought. >> we can't allow. >> it i can imagine this sits well with governor dunn? but thank, you appreciate you being here. do you watch the show? >> absolutely, thank. >> you you watch the show? >> yes, indeed. >> thank you, sir. i appreciate your time. i got some laughter here in the studio. you guys appreciated that, right? i am here all week. arnold schwarzenegger taking

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dana, i am envious, what a privilege you just had. i have been in his company before and he is really interesting. >> no question about it. and especially on this topic, he invited me here to los angeles to usc. he has the schwarzenegger institute set up there to focus on public policy. and broadly about bringing people together, his focus lately has been about combatting hate. he called it is forum today a terminating hate, i am sure you get that. and the whole idea was to bring people together like a former skinhead, which he did, and a rabbi was there. to have a conversation across lines, among people that don't normally have these conversations. and his personal connection to this was fascinating. >> you have worn so many hats in your lifetime, a bodybuilder, a movie star, governor of california. you are using this chapter of your life to speak out against hate, against antisemitism in

particular. why? >> it's not that particular, it's like anything that i see that really bothers me, i get involved with it. the fight against, you know, -- if it is motivating people to get up and go and become successful. or if it is prejudice and hatred that i've seen over the years arise. so it became kind of alarming to me. you don't have to just sit there and watch this whole thing. i think you can get involved and use your platform. use it to speak out about how wrong it is. because of my history. i come from a country that was part of the second world war, austria, hitler himself was part of austria. and it was all because we let this girl. this antisemitism and this hatred during that time. and i come from a place where this has been done once before. and i don't want that to happen again. >> you stood up at this forum, and you said -- >> i was born with a father that was a nazi, think about that. >> the air went out of the

room. i have heard you talk about your father but not like that. what made you say it that way? >> first of all, you have to understand that at why improvise a speech, i don't think about how i say something or what i say. you used the story of your father to try to reach people who are getting sucked in two groups that propagate hate. talk about making that connection? >> my father was, and so many other millions of men, he was sucked into a hate system through lies. and the seats. and so we have seen where that leads. we have seen this firsthand, how broken these men were.

the kind of atrocities that happened. how many millions of people had to die. and then they ended up losers. the confederacy, losers. all of this just doesn't work. i mean let's just go and get along and love is more powerful than hate. >> but in this video that you did last month. >> i want to talk to you today about the rising hate and in some system we have seen all over the world. >> it was incredibly powerful, and has been seen how many times now? >> while apparently -- >> millions. >> almost 100 million people saw it. billions of impressions. it is really fantastic. >> you drew this parallel between participating in nazi hate during world war ii, and hateful ideology that is growing in the u.s. now. is that the path america is on

right now? >> i don't know if it is the path that we are on, but i notice the danger that we are going in that direction. >> you put out another video after january 6th, 2021. and you compare the storming of the capital to kristallnacht in germany and in austria in 1938 when nazi burned synagogues, jewish businesses and homes. about 30,000 jewish men were taken. that was the beginning of it. what did you mean by that? i wanted to ask you that. what did you see on january 6th that reminded you of the beginning of years of hatred and killing in germany and austria? >> well it is the first thing that came to my mind when i saw the insurrection.

that this is very dangerous. it is a wake up call to let people know that we have to take this seriously. not just, oh, let's get those right-wingers, let's put them in jail. no, this is much more than that. what creates something like that? and, sadly, i have to say that no one really has covered it well, the insurrection. because they only say that they were wrong and they have to go

to jail and we have to punish them. but no one really has gotten into why was it that way? what powers do people have? they looked really upset and angry at government. >> part of it was that they were told that the election of 2020 was stolen. >> no, but remember that it is always kind of the straw that breaks the camels back. >> absolutely. >> so it is not that alone that drives anyone to this. i think there was such an unbelievable this satisfaction. there is so much anger. >> you said history should not repeat itself, donald trump is now the front runner to be the nominee of your party, of the republican party. given everything you said, does that concern you? >> absolutely not. because being a front runner of one party and letting them dig this hole deeper and deeper is going to make it easier for the democrats to win. it is sad to see that, that they could not come up with a new talent, a new face that is a reasonable smart intelligent person. that can lead this country in a republican way. >> you think there is no way he would win again? >> no. >> what if he did?

>> that's a good question. but i can guarantee you that he is gonna go and maybe get the republican nomination, then when it comes down to the actual, there is too many people now that have seen what he did as president that i think when it comes to the maturity, maturity of election day, they will see the difference between one another. believe me i am not the first one to say that this is really great if biden is back as president. no. but there is just no better option the way it is concerned right now. >> connecting this back to january 6th, you say the country hasn't really learned from it. how do you, i mean, you are a, leader you were governor of a very big state, how do you read reach to those people when they are listening still to lies about the 2020 election and a leader who is perpetuating that

stuff? >> they will be buying into that because they want to buy into that. even though when they hear the evidence, and when they see, for instance, fox. tucker carlson and all of this being fired. by spreading the wrong news. and fox going to court because they have lied intentionally, not mistakenly, intentionally, over and over again about this. i mean, i think people hear that but it doesn't mean anything because they just want to believe the election was

stolen, because trump is their man. >> but as that relates to the hate that you are trying to stop. and the kind of temperature that you are trying to help bring that down in this country. how do you do that? >> well it is not just that. prejudice and hate goes into so many directions. it's not about if you believe trump's election was stolen or not. it is nothing with trump. it has to do with just in general all over the world, we have this problem now. that there is this hate and this prejudice. and we are talking about men against women, women against men, black against, white white against black, americans against immigrants. immigrants against americans. it's just, he is from over, there he is a muslim, he is a jew, and he is, black and i just think that we have to defuse that. >> dana, one of the things that is so interesting about his

approach is how he is trying to communicate directly with people engaging in hate. what did he say about that? >> you know, when he started putting these videos out there very long videos putting on youtube, it was after charlottesville in 2015 and he was very hard on those who were propagating all of the hate in those protests, they turned deadly. calling them losers and worse. and as he has -- have come out of this horrible cycle, whether it's white supremacy -- language that better communicates and relates to those people, in order to reach them so that they don't just tune him out like they to know their people out. so that's one thing that i found very interesting, because he says look, i was trained as a salesman in austria. when he was bodybuilding and when he was an actor, he was trying to use that being able to -- relate because i saw how broken my father was even though not a member of -- the nazi party until he came to this country and >> on a much lighter note, di d he seek to engage you in filling in any potholes when you are out there? >> oddly, no. it looks like the roads were pretty smooth around ufc. my guess is, as soon as tomorrow he'll be out doing that again. >> i'd like you to come to my

neighborhood, the area roadways could use -- >> sundays state of the union, nice to see you. thanks, great to see you. president biden addresses the elephant in the room admitting [inaudible]

at the heart of this it's the biggest 360-degree protection -- you see those -- tonight, president biden dismissed concerns over what may be the biggest obstacle in his 2024 campaign, his age. >> with regard to age, i can't even say the number i can't even say the number, it doesn't register with me. one of the things that people are gonna find out, and they're going to see, and they're gonna

judge whether or not i have -- i've been taken a hard look at it, i took a hard look at it before decide to run. >> he is eight years old and already the oldest president in american history. if reelected he'd be 86 at the end of a second term, which means there's a brighter and more intense spotlight on his number two, bryce -- vice president kamala harris. >> joining me now is van jones, cnn commentator and former obama administration offical, >> amid a proportion of it up on the screen and read it out loud, and ask you to dissect. it's no secret tom friedman, that vice president harris has not elevated her stature in the last two plus years. i don't know what the problem is, whether she was dealt an impossible set of issues to deal with, or is in over her head, or is contending with a mix of sexism and racism as the first woman of color to serve as vice president, all i know is that doubts among voters about her abilities to serve as president, which were significant at off for her to quit as a presidential candidate even before the iowa caucus in 2020, have not gone away. what is it? what of those explanations do you buy into? >> i'm not sure, but i'll tell you this. i've known kamala harris a very

long time. i was a young activist in san francisco, she was a young politician. she had given an extraordinary job as a dea in san francisco, as the attorney general, and as a senator. i just think sometimes, if the team never gives you the ball and lets you shoot your shot, you might underestimate that player. i think what you're gonna see going forward is, joe biden, if he's smart, he will run a jimmy carter in 1980 rose garden campaign. he'll stay in the white house, he'll deal with all these crises, and hill let kamala harris go out there and doing the blocking and tackling on the campaign trail. i expect that people are going to become more and more impressed with her as she gets more and more opportunities. i don't think she's been giving the opportunity and this last two years to really shoot her shop. >> but man, she did get the ball. a number of high-profile issues, not the least of which border related immigration issues. >> listen, border issues, voting rights issues, these are

very tough issues. not only did she get them done, president done has in their lifetime since reagan. so, you've got a generation and a half of executive failure on that issue. she did the best that she could on the. voting rights was a disappointment, et cetera. but there are other things the administration got down. her shop going forward, since now you've got a divided government, her job is going to be go out and make a case -- and if a lot, she's got a great case that she can make for the administration. i think she will rise to the occasion. now is the time that she's gonna get that ball and get it out. >> so how should this be handled by the president? should her -- the question of her competency that tom friedman race, should it be dealt with straight on by joe biden? >> well listen, i think joe biden should deal with, as you

saw, he's dealing with the issue of his age -- i think there he should take a page from reagan in 84 against -- and raise it and make jokes about it and you with it. reagan famously, you know, crack jokes but his age. he said, george washington said this, but i wasn't there to hear guys, just in case. he took it on, he made his own issue. i think biden is still defensive on the issue of his age and he needs to get past that. i think that these questions around kamala harris, i think you're going to see her grow now, now that she's going to have the opportunity. everyone understands her. this is the oldest guy ever to run. so the vp matters a ton. she's going to be under more

scrutiny, but i think she's also going to have more opportunity to prove yourself. >> i know that every four years we talk about the significance of a vice presidential pick. you and i have probably shared a scene and said, a vice presidential debate night talking about how -- this time we're going to mean. >> yes, absolutely. listen. she isn't such an unusual position. she's a woman. she's black. she is asia, and she's running alongside the oldest person ever to do it. so she's essentially running for president. that's what she's doing. and i think people understand that. i think she understands that. i think she's going to rise to the occasion. i agree with you, they gave her tough assignments that literally no president has ever been able to solve, which was unfair to her. but now her job is to make the case for what the district has been able to do. she's got a great case to make and a great opportunity to make it. >> van jones, thank you for being here. appreciate very much. next on cnn tonight, what's appropriate for students to wear? should they be able to express pinnacle opinion through the pulled? alison kherrata takes that up with her panel, but first your thoughts on tonight's panel on social media, coming out. a a breakthrough card... like ours! with 2.5% cash back on purchases of $5,000 or more... plus unlimited 2% cash back on all other purchases! and with greater spending potential, sam can keep making smart ideas... ...a brilliant reality! the ink business premier card from chase for business. make more of what's yours.

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i love this, open table, uber. but we have a problem. and the idea that senators stood up today and, said you know what you have to be 13 before you have access to social media, and i know some of you are saying, let their parent tumble it. i think it's a step in the right direction. we also talked about disney tonight and governor desantis, what do we, have desantis is messing with the wrong mouth. i, like it he already made rookie mistakes in the war. and he hasn't won any battles. the idea, going back five, years imagine that i said to you a presidential candidate is going to take on disney and sees political advantage, and it doesn't make any sense. quickly, kamala harris, joe biden's age. let's be honest. harris is a decent person but she is a drag on the ticket. i just had that conversation with van jones, i think she's got to a per game or that will end up being the case thank you for. joining us. the news continues here on cnn. hello and welcome to our viewers