and the miami heat win as an eight seed in the first round. >> what a ball game! you talk about being connected. >> what a ball game is right. jimmy butler and the heat eliminated the top-seeded bucks from the nba playoffs in an overtime stunner. andy, one of the biggest upsets we've seen in nba history. jimmy butler, people have been talking about him all week. >> she has been talking about him all week, by the way. >> yeah. that's why we call him play-off jimmy, right? he is so incredible every time the playoffs come around. the sixth time that this happened. they won one play-off game and heat once again in game five, came all the way back. butler with this bucket in the final seconds sent the game in

overtime. the heat had a two point lead in the extra period. and with time winding down, bucks didn't get a shot off. just a stunner in this one as miami wins it in five. listen to what janiceuary giann when asked if he thinks this season with was a failure for the bucks? >> do you get a promotion every year? no. so you work hard. yes or no? no. every year you work, you work towards something, towards a goal. and i did which is to get a promotion, to be able to take care of your family, to able -- i don't know, provide the house for them or take care of your parents. you work towards a goal. its no the failure. it's steps to success. >> so strong words there from giannis. heat now going to face the knicks in round number two. the knicks winning a series for just the second time in 23 years. much fans pretty excited there in manhattan. >> oh, yeah. going to be epic. caitlyn is excited. >> poppy is also excited. >> "cnn this morning" continues

right now. >> thanks, andy. >> the national guardsman suspected of leaking classified documents set to appear in court today. >> the information that he took far exceeds what is being reported. >> when authorities searched the property, they found a tablet, lab top and gaming console smashed inside a dumpster at the house. good evening tucker carlson. >> tucker carlson is speaking out after his abrupt firing from fox. >> "the new york times" is reporting on what they said helped lead to the breaking point between fox news and tucker carlson. >> in rue prupert rupert murdoce canning bibber than him. >> the bill is passed! >> the president can no longer put this economy in jeopardy. we lifted the debt limit. we sent it to the senate. we have done our job. >> the democratic-controlled

senate and white house won't back mccarthy's plan. >> it's important for people to understand that the debt ceiling and our future spending are two totally different things. >> l. jean carroll took the stand in her lawsuit against former donald trump. l. jean carroll began her testimony with a statement, i'm here today because donald trump raped me. >> trump's team said this never happened. full stop. >> on thursday, carroll will continue to face questions from her attorneys and then she will face cross-examination by trump's lawyers. >> a giant panda has been caught up in geopolitical tensions between washington and beijing. >> china state media says ya-ya landed in the united states. >> they're accusing the united states of mistreating ya-ya. >> now that china is a global superpower, maybe they should

use this panda for diplomacy. >> happy thursday. 'lot of head heinz we're following here today. this one is an amazing story in court. we're hearing more about the air national guardsman accused of leaking classified military documents. now hearing he took far more information than was previously reported. last night in a new court filing, prosecutors said the information that the 21-year-old accessed, quote, far exceeds what was shared on the internet and in a matter of hours, he is set to appear in a federal court in massachusetts. what prosecutors are asking is for a judge to keep him behind bars until a trial. he was released two weeks ago accused of posting classified material online and now facing charges under the espionage act. cnn's jason carroll is live outside the courthouse. jason, prosecutors released a lot of information. they're not only saying he poses a serious flight risk, they believe he may still have access to information they say hostile nat nation would like to get their hands on. >> right.

and that 11th hour court filing, i mean, incredible, caitlyn. it is just packed with new information about the government's case. including new allegations that teixeira actually viewed hundreds of classified documents, not dozens, but hundreds. that is a number we didn't know about before. prosecutors are worried if he was to get out on bail, he would not only present a risk to the country, to himself, and to others. >> court documents filed by the u.s. attorneys office argue the alleged leaker of classified documents, jack teixeira, should not be released on bail while he awaits trial claiming he poses a serious flight riction writing, he could take refuge with the foreign adversary to avoid the reach of u.s. law. prosecutors claim that the information teixeira allegedly accessed far exceeds what has been disclosed on the internet. and, therefore, he poses an on

going risk both to the national security of the united states and to the community. including in the filing are chilling pictures from the search warrant executed on teixeira's bedroom, showing a gun locker next to his bed containing multiple weapons including an ak style high capacity weapon, handguns, shot guns, rifles and a gas mask. law enforcement also found a smashed tablet, lab top, and a gaming console in a dumpster at the house. the alleged leaker has also obstructed justice according to prosecutors by telling those he was communicating with online to delete all messages and if anyone comes looking, don't tell them explitive. also alleging he deleted the social media server where he posted government information and procured a in if you phone number and e-mail address. prosecutors say his history surrounding guns raises questions as to why he was a

candidate for the air national guard. the court document states in 2018 teixeira was suspended while still in high school after a classmate allegedly overheard him make remarks about guns and make racial threats. that same year, prosecutors say, he applied for a firearms id card but denied. due to the concerns of the local police department over the defendant's remarks at his high school. court documents mention his social media posts reviewed by the fbi. one post from last november reads, i hope isis goes through with the attack plan and creates a massacre at the world cup. further writing, if i had my way, i'd kill a ton of people, seriously. i would be forcibly calling the weak minded. prosecutors say the defense is indicating that they may ask the judge to release teixeira to his father's home. warning the defendant has proven to be nothing short of deceptive and coercive. exposing others to peril in

pursuit of his own freedom. >> and caitlyn, as for the classified documents, prosecutors worry that if he were to get out on bail, there is a deep concern that he still, still might have access to some of the classified documents which is why they say he needs to remain right where he is. >> yeah. >> the hearing happening today. we'll see what the judge decides. thank you. >> tucker carlson breaking his silence after fox news fired him. he released this video yesterday on twitter as new and really ugly details emerge about why the network cut ties with the prime time star. tucker carlson did not mention fox by name in this video. but "the new york times" is now reporting fox executives reached a breaking point on the eve of the dominion trial and they found out what tucker carlson had said in highly offensive text messages that were redacted in the legal filings. he didn't mention that in the video. here's a clip. >> when honest people say what is true calmly and without

embarrassment, they become powerful. at the same time, the liars who have been trying to silence them shrink and they become weaker. that's the way the universe works. true things prevail. >> cnn immedimedia analyst join. there are two things going on here. there is what tucker said and im implying there and then this stunning "new york times" reporting about even worse than we thought text messages. >> yeah. so, let's break down "the new york times" reporting. i think the text messages matter. when you see a huge cable news star get fired overnight, you don't have a reasonable explanation, you rely on good reporting to explain to you what actually happened. and what actually happened matters. fox is facing other lawsuits. they're facing a lawsuit from a former producer says it was a very misogynistic atmosphere at fox. he used the c word and using

misogynistic language that can bite fox in the future lawsuits. so, that's one piece of it. let's go to the other piece. the video last night. notable he didn't mention the firing at all. did not mention fox news at all. did not mention where he's going. this was sort of tucker carlson's pep rally. his way to stay relevant to viewers, to make sure they continue and the news cycle continues to follow him so that when he decides he's doing something next we're all ready to tune in. >> the messages are reredacted. they're trying to get them unredacted. is there a chance we could actually see what the messages were? >> yes, there is a chance. i think that is one of the reasons that fox's management felt they had to act. such a huge trove of information has come out in pretrial discovery. it has been embarrassing. but, if this were to come out, then you have this sort of drip, drip, drip scenario. if they settled and more things come out ahe had hf the lawsuit they have with the ex-producer, this $2.7 billion lawsuit that they have with smart madic, it

could put them in a damaging reputationally perspective but at worst, a legally incriminating position. >> sarah, thank you very much. we'll keep following it. >> fascinating. also this morning at the white house, they're standing by the demand they say house republicans need to raise the debt limit without any conditions. house republicans as we watched closely on capitol hill yesterday narrowly passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling. it cut spending. an effort to force president biden to the negotiating table. it's no the actually going to happen. senator schumer said it is dead on arrival in the senate. we're tracking all this live from the white house. good morning. you saw president biden in the rose garden yesterday saying he's not going to negotiate when it comes to the debt limit. what is the sense that the white house and what is happening next here? >> well, caitlyn, for the time being, the white house is holding firm in the position that president biden will will not negotiate with house speaker kevin mccarthy over the debt ceiling. this is a position the white house has had for months,

insisting that republicans up on capitol hill, democrats, need to raise the debt ceiling without any conditions attached to it. house speaker mccarthy had hopes that passing this bill over in the house would eventually push the white house to the negotiating table. but yesterday, president biden in the rose garden told reporters that he's willing to sit down with mccarthy to talk about larger budget issues but he's not going to budge when it comes to demanding a clean debt ceiling. the clock is ticking as the debt ceiling deadline could need to be raised by early june. that is also a date that could shift. but it really comes at a precarious time as potential default would have catastrophic consequences on the u.s. economy. for the time being, the white house stance is holding firm. they insisted that bill, that house speaker mccarthy is able to get passed in the house is not law. >> and i mentioned president biden in the rose garden yes, sir during that press conference. there is also a he moment in that press conference where a photographer captured the notes

that president biden was holding in his hand. there are allegations about whether or not he had the question in advance. what is the white house saying about what happened here? >> caitlyn, it's not uncommon for the white house to prepare these types of briefing materials for the president. but it's the level of specificity that is in the spotlight in this moment. as you noted, that note card included the name and photo of a reporter and also a possible question. now it's worth noting that her question was not you had call to what was on that note card. and her outlet said that they did not submit any questions to the white house ahead of this press conference. but we have seen the president in the past carrying around these note cards with details about the events, where he needs to go, the people that he's meeting with. now these types of moments are things that they seized on as they tried to highlight

president biden's age. he took a hard look at his own age when deciding to run in 2024. he ultimately decided to move forward with that re-election. he has said it will be up to the voters to decide whether he deserves a second term. >> yeah. we should note they did a press conference yesterday. there are few press conferences in this administration. thank you for clearing that up. thank you. a new twist in at the drawn out battle between florida governor ron desantis and disney. disney striking back against desantis and other officials accusing him of a lawsuit over retaliating against the entertain mint giant for a top position to the don't say gay bill. the governor's office saying we're unaware of any legal right that a company has to operate its own government or maintain special privileges not held by other businesses in the state. earlier this morning, in israel where governor desantis is, here's what he said. >> in fact, they have been treated much different than universal, sea world and all these other places.

and, so, they're upset because they're having to live by the same rules as everybody else. they don't want to have to pat s -- to pay the same taxes as everybody else and they want to be able to control things without proper oversight where every other floridian has to have this type of oversight, all florida businesses. so, it's a little bit much to be complaining about that. i don't think the suit has merit. i think it's political. i think they filed, you know, in tallahassee for a reason. they're trying to generate, you know, some district court decision. but we're very confident on the law. >> all right. how did we get here? our legal analyst and former federal prosecutor is us with. for history, people just getting up to speed on this. how did we get here? >> fascinating back story. it begins back in 1967 when walt disney, the individual, not the company, was looking to build his next amusement park. he identified this tract of land

in central florida which was essentially undeveloped. he ends up entering into an agreement between tbetween disny and the state of florida to have the improvement districts. the district is it 40 square miles. that's not to scale. f it's 40 square miles. it gave disney the right to operate the way a municipal government would to deal with land use and development, utilities, sanitation, taxation and other things. important to know. there is misperception that they got unique treatment here. there are hundreds of these around florida. they're meant tone courage industry and investment. walt disney does get financial benefits out there, they're not not paying taxes. they paid over $1 billion annually in taxes for the last few years. now everything was fine. for about 55 years. until last year when florida passed, governor desantis signed the parental rights in education act. this is known by some as the

don't say gay bill. and this basically says that public schools cannot teach students kindergarten through third grade about sexual identity and orientation. >> that was just extended through 12th grade. >> yes, with vary restrictions:now disney came out publicly against that law. they said, quote, we oppose any legislation that infringes on basic human rights and we support our lgbtq plus cast." and they lashed out at disney and called them woke disney and echoing democrat propaganda. now we get into the power struggle in the lawsuit. that improvement district is run by a five-member board. historically, essentially disney got to appoint the five members. florida passed new laws giving that power over to the governor, to ron desantis. he makes clear he's going to get rid of all five of the people, put his own people in. but on the way out the door, the

old disney board enters into the new contracts that last for 30 years. then yesterday, the new board just come in and they say, no. those contracts are void. we're not honoring them. hence, our lawsuit. >> okay. so, now disney is saying you're muzzle willing us. you're violating our first amendment right. you can't do that. we know from the supreme court, corporations have a first amendment right. >> they do. >> so, where does this go? >> disney is making two major claims in its complaint. the first one is the straight forward contracts argument. we both took contracts first year of law school. they're saying this is binding. even though the old board entered the contracts on the way out the door, they were still in power. it is legitimate. they're arguing, first of all, the contracts are valid. the they're arguing a concept called reliance. you'll member that from school as well. we planned around these contracts. disney says we were planning to invest $17 billion and create 13,000 new jobs. and then there is the first amendment claim. disney claims that they're being singled out for the political speech.

they write in the complaint, disney expressed its opinion on state legislation and then punished by the state for doing so. and desantis has done that time and again. he said other woke corporations won't get away from peddling the unchecked pressure campaign any longer. they're arguing he struck back at them for political speech. >> right. and really quickly, the judge, fascinating. >> the judge is an obama appointee. sort of an eccentric. he leans liberal. he is unpredictable. he ruled against desantis on other free speech cases. he compared desantis to george orwell in 1984. >> thank you. that was presencive. sbicwitching topics. ya-ya now arrived back in the chinese homeland after she left the memphis zoo yesterday. the panda arrived in america with her play mate as part of the u.s.-china friendship at the time. video showing the once fluffy

panda looking thin in recent months sparked outrage in china though as some accuse the zoo of mistreatment and fueling controversy on social media. allegations note the zoo denied. we are in beijing. obviously, there are some questions about whether or not this is representative of the broader distrust between the u.s. and china. ya-ya is this simple ymbol of w going on here. what is going on now? >> it was a long journey and the backdrop of all this is growing anti-american sentiment here in china. she had a 16 hour fedex flight to get from america to china. she'll eventually settle down in the beijing zoo. and for so many people here this moment could not have come soon enough. for months many in china have been petitioning for the 22-year-old panda to come home accusing the zoo of mistreatment. again, against the backdrop of growing u.s.-china tensions. in contrast, videos of russian pandas looking healthy and

active have been going viral on chinese social media. many claiming proof that russia is treating the chinese bears better. key information is that chinese and american scientists have concluded that yaya received excellent care in america and only looks that way because of a genetic condition. that message is into the getting through. i went to the beijing zoo's panda exhibit a few days ago and take a listen to what people told me. >> translator: an 11-year-old boy tells me i heard the u.s. is treating the panda poorly. this man says, isn't russia taking good care of pandas? pandas are happy over there. not like in the u.s. >> this man with his granddaughter tells me, pandas in russia are very happy. why? russians and chinese are friends. at least russia is not sanctioning china. >> so, caitlyn, china loans the panda pandas out to countries as a

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out a gift and eventually told her to try on lingerie. she says he then followed her into the dressing room and forced himself on her. on the stand, she said, quote, that open door plagued me for years because i just walked into it. walked in. carol says she is suffered psychological damage and has not had a romantic relationship since that alleged rape. at one point she broke down in tears because she is finally getting her day in court. we should note that he repeatedly denied the allegations calling it a made up scam. in opening statements, his attorney said that they made up the story for her own personal gain. for more perspective, let's bring in our former prosecutor and defense attorney. thank you for being here. it's just remarkable in and of itself to see her on set after what happened with the statute of limitations and the fact she can tell her story. what is your sense of what is going to happen today? she will be cross examined by his attorney. >> it will be a long time coming.

sure. the case is interesting. it's a civil defamation case but deals with an allegation of rape and sexual assault. so l. jean carroll's side has to essentially show it's more likely than not she is telling the truth about this. and there is good evidence on her side. there also have good attacks on the credibility that are going to come from trump's attorneys. that is kind of what we're going see today with the cross-examination. >> can you get into what -- what you mean by good attacks? we're talking in the last hour about the fact that the president's lawyer is going to cross her. of you have to be delicate, especially in a cross-examination of a witness who says they were raped by their client zb. >> absolutely. the credibility is going to be at issue in a defamation trial. that is the bottom line. one of the ways that attorneys tack credibility is to go after the bias motive and interest of the person providing the testimony. so, you're going to always have questions about lack of specificity and consistency,

delays in reports. and all of these sort of factual issues that are there. on top of the potential motivations that she might have had to make this claim for personal gain or financial gain. there was a book that came out about this. obviously. and many of these things were brought out by her attorneys on the direct-examination to try to pick some of the sting out of that. make sure she can explain that. obviously, going to be the crux of the attack there. but ultimately this is a credibility case. and there is things she was -- is going to have to contend with in terms of the massive delay in the report and some of the lack of specificity that is there. on the other side, there is many pieces of evidence coming in that show that donald trump had a propensity to commit this sort of act. that evidence is strong. the fact that the judge let in the "access hollywood" tape, allegations from other accusers that, is beneficial to l. jean carroll's side of the case. >> they're trying to say there say pattern here.

she is on the stand. is there any chance trum whop t -- tr trump would take the stand? >> well, i don't think that there is any reason for him to. i wonder if he can stop himself from wanting to do that. obviously, he's been commenting on the case from outside the courtroom. i don't believe that he will testify. >> and the judge sort of admonishing trump's lawyers saying they could -- what trump is saying and posting about it on the scam could put him in further liability, jeopardy. >> well, there is a couple things that could happen with that. the judge has asked and warned him not to discuss the case. there could be a potential contempt finding. there could be an allegation that he insighted some silence. people get behind him and think that he is being targeted. and obviously, there is the point is that he is at trial in the first place because he said this didn't happen. is this a second defamiliar torre statement in i think that is a real possibility here, too. if she wins the trial and he is

continuing to make furtdefamato statements, they could go to trial. >> yeah. if he is found libel here, yes, absolutely. >> thank you. >> this morning, americans are stuck in sudan. they're being forced to make life or death decisions. they have a new message for the u.s. government this morning. less, clemency denied for oklahoma death row inmate even though the parole board's vote ended in a 2-2 tie. where can this possibly go now as his execution date approaches. >> i'm not a murderer. i don't deserve to die for this. you were always so dedicated... ♪ we worked hard to build up the shop, saveve for college and our retirement. but we got there, thanks to our advisor and vanguard. now i sesee who all that hard work was for... it was always for you. seeing you carry on our legacy— i'm so proud.

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a parole board is trying to spare an inmate's life. is scheduled to be executed may 18th. he was convicted of ordering the

murder of his boss. it cost doubt on conviction. it has drawn supporters, state lawmakers, kim kardashian, even oklahoma's attorney general who in a very unprecedented move attend attending yesterday's board immediating to advocate for clemency. the case highlights a systemic problem in oklahoma. >> i will stand against the death penalty and stand against the das of oklahoma who believe that they never make mistakes. they want everyone to rubber-stamp and believe everything they say and do is clear and should just approve them to put people to death because they say so. >> yeah. he wasn't the only one. there were others who actually spoke at this hearing yesterday.

thr >> this panel is a five-board panel. they're the husband of the chief prosecutor who prosecuted this case in 2004. that leaves down to three people in this panel. it is a 2-2 vote. that means clemency was not granted. you heard from there, he went right to the governor's office after that hearing to arrange a meeting to figure out what next steps are. but as we said yesterday, richard is down but he's not out. many people spoke in favor of this clemency yesterday. again, the attorney general, his attorney who said richard glossip has been behind bars for 26 years. the only infraction he has is having a charging cable in his possession. i want you to hear from glossip.

>> i'm not a murderer. i don't deserve to die for this. live the governor a chance to commute my sentence. >> now the victim's family met many members at this hearing as well. they said they want justice. they wanted this execution to move forward. again, clemency has not been granted. what happens next, well, they're going to the u.s. supreme court. >> they already filed. >> they already filed. you know, the governor can issue a reprieve, push this execution back 60 days. it's unclear if that is going to happen. there are not many options left. >> just so struck by the attorney general saying yesterday i believe it would be grave unjustice to execute an individual whose trial conviction was bessette by a litany of errors. and now with a 2-2 tie vote on top of that? >> it's just -- i mean, he said it's a problem. how do you even have a hearing when there aren't all five

members there? you don't have a fair shot, it seems. this is something they have to address in oklahoma. >> well, all right. thank you so much. >> all right. >> we're getting reports of new clashes and gunfire in the capital of sudan surrounding areas. this morning undermining the shaky, iffy 72-hour cease-fire set to expire today. supplies dwindling, hospitals overrun with the wounded as diplomats and foreign nationals scramble to leave the country. there is mounting anger from it americans who have been left to navigate the dangers on their own. and who feel band ond, frankly, by the u.s. government. our kylie atwood is live it at the state department. we were hearing earlier this week reporting from our colleague sam kiley that the u.s. was thinking about more evacuation plans at the port of sudan, et cetera. what can you tell us about all of this stands now?

yeah. the family members we spoke to, these are americans in the u.s. who are helping their american family members in sudan get out of the country, essentially feel like they're doing it on their own. they're us from stfrustrated by dangerous situation. one american telling us she was disgusted by the lack of support that they have received for these american citizens who are obviously trying to navigate to safety right now. and these americans are also describing to us what the conditions are like on the ground for their family members. listen to what they had to say. >> they're stuck at the border. there's no water. of there's no food. the boarder is essentially humanitarian crisis. and they're not the only americans who are facing this issue. >> the wait time at the border is many days. children are crying. and they're just laying on the

ground. it's a desert. even if you have catch, you can't buy anything. it is a desert and they're just stranded. >> now we should note that the u.s. government says that they're in close contact with the citizens who are trying to get out of the country. they are actively facilitating these evacuations. but what they are not doing is flying out these american citizens. we know that there was that evacuation of the u.s. diplomats over the weekend. there are no plans at this point to do this for the citizens. it would be more dangerous for the citizens if they did that. so, what they're doing is directing them to these overland routes. some of the americans we talked to haven't had a lot of back and forth with the state department to even identify those overland routes that are being run by other countries and other multilateral organizations. we know that the u.s. government is flying some drones overhead to make sure that they don't run into violence along the way. but the bottom line here is that they just feel they're

navigating an incredibly tense troublesome situation without the full support of the u.s. government. >> wow. kylie, so glad that you spoke with them. we're wishing all of them well. thank you very much. also this morning, market for injectable weight loss drugs may be getting bigger. we're going to discuss the wider implications of this craze. >> before that w, we go to brea and there is this -- ♪ and we'll keep fighting until the end ♪ >> the items that belonged to the late freddy murcury are going up for sale. also up for grabs is tiffany's guitar and his famous crown with the accompanying cloak. >> i love freddy murcury i'm

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new this morning, eli lilly says the injectable drug tirzepatide helped people with diabetes lose an average of 34 pounds over 17 months. it's currently used and approved by the fda to treat type 2 diabetes. they want it to treat obesity. i spoke with the company's medical director in the last hour. >> simply really need to embrace and acknowledge as a society that when we're talking about weight management, we're talking about obesity, a chronic, serious medical disease. it deserves treatment. and, so, this chronic treatment is often chronic. >> so, if they get that approval, it will add to

ozempic, another drug meant for diabetes. it is such a weight loss fad for nondiabetics that it is contributing to a shortage of the drug for those with diabetes. let's talk about all of this with a physician and assistant professor of health and policy at cornell medical and contributor to the new yorker and a founder of true beauty foundation model and body appreciation advocate. i love that title. great to have you. thank you very much. so, a lot of questions whether the fda is going to approve this. i think it's the bigger question of what does this do to us as society that i think we made a lot of progress on body appreciation in recent years. i hope we have. and now is it just like you should be on ozempic or tirzepatide because you can get skinnier? >> yeah. it's a great question. i think, you know, recognizing what these drugs are meant to do and how they work, i think, is the first step the way they may be misused.

they were diabetes drugs. they're very effective for that indication. and they are very effective for people who have excess weight who are obese to lose weight. and, so, what they do, at least ozempic and other drugs, they work by mimicking a hormone called glp-1. what that does is it's a hormone that is produced in our intestines after we eat. it goes to our pancreas, encourages the pancreas to produce insulin and lowers blood sugar. it also effects our stomach. so, it has our stomach empty more slowly. so we feel more full and it has receptors in the brain to make us, again, feel more full and eat less. for those reasons, it's very effective. people lose 15, 20% of their body weight if they are in that higher bmi category. now when we get to people who are trying to lose a few pounds who are of normal weight or doing it for cosmetic reasons, that's where it becomes more

problematic and more controversial. >> absolutely. it really is. >> what are your concerns? >> i'm concerned that we're going to be triggering mass populations that really don't need the drug like the diabetes 2. and trigger those that are susceptible for eating disorders to fall into this. and this obsession with the thinnest at any cost. we did so much work. you know, it teams like we've done so much work to get and embrace that all bodies are good bodies. let's just put that orn the table. it's up to us to take care of each one but not fall into the obsession that we have to be something that, you know, 20 pounds, well -- if we pounds. why do we have to use another person's drug that needs it for life-giving fortitude? >> even if there is enough on the market and we could stop having the shortage for some

diabetes patients, which is really troubling, there is the accessibility issue with the comparable drugs of 1,500 or 1,300. >> it's expensive. >> so if you are on a lower -- i mean, any normal income you can't pay that. that's a lot of money so is it just the rich people that want to be thin? >> that's the problem. for people who aren't rich and they are putting all their money into these drugs, how long is it going to sustain? >> you have to take it forever jt you can't. >> that's the thing. once you stop taking it you gain the weight back, right? >> there are side effects. fortunately, they are not as severe as prior generations of weight loss medications that caused severe cardiovascular complications. people suffer nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. can have those side effects.

the other issue is when you talk taking the medication the weight comes back. for lot of people this has to be a lifelong type of enterprise. if it's not covered by insurance, and it's not covereddy medicare, most medicaid problems purely for weight loss. and for people to pay 800, 1,100, $1,300 a month every month for years and years, that is not a sustainable proposition. >> exactly right. >> i think we are poo-poo'ing on this a bit. i'm skeptical, but i also recognize how severe of a health crisis obesity is, especially in america. >> yeah. but that's for them. >> is this that effective? >> it's effective for people with two type diabetes. so that's what it's designed for. for anyone who has, they in their minds wants to lose a little bit of weight, go back to

let the people who need the drug get the drug -- frjts it works for obesity without type 2 diabetes? >> it's not sustainable. if you are going to -- well, it's going to help people with type 2 diabetes and that's really the point. we are taking away a drug from people who actually could really use this to lose weight. >> yeah, so there is an important kind of distinction. ozempic is approved for diabetes but the sister drug, wegovy, is fda approved for weight loss in people with obesity. we can and should be using it for that indication. one thing to note, what i think it helps, help people understand that obesity and weight gain is a biological process. people have been for decades of it thinking of a moral failing, a behavioral problem, a lifestyle problem. that is not the way to think about obesity and these drugs help us think a little bit about obesity this is a biological process. a lot of this is genetically

determined and we are using a biological remedy for people who need it to bring down their weight to a safer level. >> i am concerned about eating disorders. i really, really am. i am concerned and i think the general public is concerned when they are seeing friends and people that are using an injectable instead of getting out into nature and walking and eating healthily and enjoying and accepting the diverse body, like the bouquet of beauty that we're supposed to be. we are definitely not supposed to be the same. and that messaging we need more of that messaging instead of saying take a drug, you know, give yourself an injectable and everything's gonna be okay. it's not. it's scary. >> it's become quite a craze. thank you both for sharing those two perspectives on this. really important for this. >> a bouquet of beauty. i like this. we are tracking another top

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