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tonight. former vice president mike pence testified today before the federal grand jury, investigating the former presidents actions surrounding the january six riot and an attempts to overturn the 2020 election election. i am john berman in for anderson. just pause and listen to that again. a former vice president just testified in an investigation about whether a president, his running mate, illegally tried to overturn an election. so much has happened in the last few years, it's easy to get numb to the mind bending is historical explosions taking place. it's the first time in modern history a vice president has been compelled to testify about the president he served beside, and add to that, he might run against trump in 2024. it's also the first time that this vice president has testified under oath about the today we are rioters were seen yelling, hang mike pence at the capitol, as well as personal interactions with trump and the events leading up to that day. he previously declined to testify before the house select

committee that investigated the riots. a source says pence testified for more than five hours, putting the investigation one step closer to a big decision for special counsel jack smith on whether to charge the former president or others around him. sarah murray joins us now with the latest. sarah, which we know about the circumstances surrounding the testimony today and the blanks that the special counsel might want to fill in? >> as you point out, this is a momentous and historic occasion. the former vice president testifying in a criminal probe against a man who was once his running mate, the man who once sat in the oval office, and this came after a prolonged court battle. we know that mike pence has talked publicly about standing up to donald trump. about not doing his bidding on january 6th. we know he wrote about it in his book. but this is the first time he is appearing. he's testifying under oath and was poised to answer questions under prosecutors about his direct conversations with donald trump in the run up to january six. as you pointed out, this lasted

for five hours so it gave you an indication that the painstaking detail the prosecutors likely wanted to get into with pence perhaps about a couple things they heard from other witnesses, but also events that we're playing out between pence and the former president that perhaps only he could speak to, only he could provide in firsthand detail. >> so does this appearance by the former vice president suggest anything about the special counsel's timetable, at this point? >> it doesn't mean that pence is the last witness they are going to want to talk to in this investigation. biden more anyways, he's the pinnacle. he's the person who is the target of donald trump's pressure campaign to try to block the certification of the election. he, as you pointed out, was the target of many rioters who were chanting, hang mike pence. and prosecutors had to go into this knowing that it was going to be a fight to get his testimony. we saw both donald trump, as well as pence try to block this testimony unsuccessfully. pence -- got to carve out where he would not answer questions about the time he served as president of the senate.

but in so many ways, this is a crucial witness in setting the stage about what happened in the run up to january 6th and how important and historic the aftermath was. john -- >> sarah murray, terrific reporting, as always. i'm joined now by senior legal analyst elie honig, also the author of untouchable. and also former fbi director andrew mccabe. andrew, let me start with you. how nervous should donald trump be that mike pence was being questioned for five hours before a grand jury today? what about that testimony could concern him? >> in a word, john, very, very nervous. and we know that because donald trump made significant efforts to try to block that testimony by, again, raising claims of executive privilege, which failed. so the significance of the pence testimony cannot really be overstated, as we know from the work of the january six committee, there were numerous lines of potential criminal

conspiracies that the committee looked into. but two of them involved putting pressure on mike pence. one to pressure pence to refuse to certify the election at all, and the second line of attack was the pressured pence to delay the certification needed the election. we know that there were meetings about those topics between pence and trump on january 4th, on january 5th and then, the if a miss infamous outrage phone call from trump to pence on the morning of january 6th. mike pence has likely provided intricate, direct first person testimony about the substance of this though conversations. and after relating the substance of the conversations, the prosecutors can ask him things like, how did that make you feel? did you feel pressured to do what the president was telling you? so, it really wraps up those moments in a way that no other witness can. so, it's potentially -- testimony. >> so, elie honig, councillor,

take that one step further. -- what answers about those conversations might be problematic for donald trump? >> mike pence is a crucial witness here. as a prosecutor, you absolutely have to have his testimony, for better or worse. and this is why prosecutors are going to go into the courts and fight and win to get is that testimony. i would exactly focus on what andy pointed out, especially the one-on-one conversations between mike pence and donald trump. let's keep in mind that there are no other witnesses to these -- donald trump is not going to go to the grand jury. so, it's really all on pence's own recollection and testimony about it. i do have questions about, frankly, how forthcoming he we'll be. there's no tape of these conversations that we know of to keep him in check. and if we look at his public stance about donald trump and january 6th, pence's not been willing to forcefully condemn donald trump. he's given us this wishy-washy stuff that we don't see eye to eye. so i think as a prosecutor, i would be very wary about. >> he's written about the

conversation in his book. so, what more could we be revealed. >> a lot more. when mike pence is writing a book, he gets to the site about what she put in there, how much he wants to go? if i was a prosecutor, i would read that book with a big yellow highlighter in my hand and use everything he says in the book as a starting point. i would say, okay, you tell us this detail about the conversation, but how long was that conversation? 40 minutes, 20 minutes? tell me everything. so, the book is valuable to prosecutor but they need to go further. >> andy, you've been involved in a lot of investigations, generally speaking, i've learn this from people like you and elie honig -- there's no one higher on the food chain that mike pence here. in terms of their job status i'm not sure whether in terms of what role they played impossible crimes here, if that's the case. but does this indicate that jack smith may be close to done? >> i think it does indicate that they are clearly towards the end of their investigation. how much is left, that's hard to say.

pence is certainly, as you say, at the top of the food chain, although i want to be clear, i would really doubt that pence is being looked at as a target of this -- he is pretty fully in the witness category. the one of the person that i would say, john, who is really the remaining outlier that were we are wondering when he will testify is mark meadows. meadows, we can sit around and argue all night who could be the more significant witness, pence or meadows. there is good arguments on both sides. the bottom line is, i am sure jack smith wants to get meadows in front of that grand jury. he won a motion in front of the court a week or so ago that blew out some of the obstacles to getting meadows in there. . i think that's probably the really last big one where that should be happening soon. >> so, elie honig, there were some parameters here that a federal judge had stipulated before mike pence testified. he had to testify about his

conversations. but he theoretically still had some protections because of the speech or debate cause. >> -- constitutional scholar -- >> -- how would that work during these five hours, potentially? mike pence did when himself a narrow victory before you testified. -- >> -- about his role as the president of the senate when he was vice president. the way i think that would work is, basically, if he's asked a question that he thinks falls under that, he can say, i believe i am protected here by speech or debate. if prosecutors disagree, they can take it to a judge and say, force him to answer this. we will learn, i believe, and the next couple of days whether you tried to invoke that. picking up on a point that andy made, jack smith deserve credit here, because he is in right at the top at the par structure, in stark contrast to merrick garland, who never went anywhere near subpoenaing and -- testimony from mark meadows, let alone the vice president. and as a result of jack smith's more aggressive approach, we are seeing the investigation proceed much more quickly, much more aggressively and much more

directed way. >> elie honig, andrew mccabe, thank you both for being with us tonight. -- cnn political commentator alyssa farah griffin -- someone you know well. inside the republican primary electorate right now, how does today's testimony change a view of mike pence? or do you think that was already set because of what happened on january 6th? >> i think the narrative was already set. the wing of the party that showed up on january six that still thinks the election was stolen and that vice president pence had the right to overturn the election, they are never going to be in his camp. what vice president pence would be wise to do, and he's a very savvy political figure -- i think he is key, in my view, and has a real opportunity if he doesn't does end up getting into the race -- is play to the rest of the party. most of us do not think that

january 6th was a good thing. we may like the trump policies or some of them, but we don't want trump as a character. naturally, he needs to run it. if he tries to cater to that, vote he will lose, but there is a much broader coalition of republicans would like to see a different direction. >> i will ask you about another person that andy mccabe brought up, another person you know well. you are sort of like the z league figure here. . mark meadows, the former chief of staff. and he suggested maybe mark meadows is a key figure in this investigation. what importance do you think he might have if he were to get before a grand jury? >> i would argue he's probably the most important figure, other than the president, who you are never going to get under oath. he was intimately involved in the deliberations around challenging the election results, whether it is bringing in different people promoting conspiracy theories, to have an audience with the former president, whether it was coordinated with members of congress by challenging the election results -- he is going to -- -- and somebody who -- previously advised him. this is not a good story for him to tell, whereas mike pence is an honest person who is going to do what he needs to do

in the eyes of the justice department. i don't know where this goes. we heard a lot about mark meadows during the congressional investigation. cassidy hutchison suggested that mark meadows knew a lot. i'm no lawyer, but when a sitting close to me over here, mark meadows maybe someone who has his own legal liability here where mike pence did. not >> exactly. mike pence very much would be a witness in this, and i think the most illuminating conversations he could shed light on are directly between he and the former president. i think a lot of questions are something the department of justice has had for months. but these are the intimate phone call that might have taken place, last-minute conversations. meadows is a completely different figure in, this and i think he somebody with a lot of legal -- >> since he is still standing next to me, let me ask, mark meadows is a possible witness here. can he be compelled to testify,? >> oh he can absolutely be compelled to testify. i think alyssa is right.

he may take it. because unlike mike pence he has considerable jeopardy. here if he takes the fifth, that raises a conundrum for prosecutors, because the counter move, if you are the prosecutor, you can immunize mark menus, mark meadows beating you're not going to use your testimony against you, but that's a strategic decision, but i agree with melissa, and andrew mccabe. i think he is the most important single witness. if i was the prosecutors chair, i would immunize meadows because you need him to get the whole story. >> all right, alyssa farah griffin, elie honig, thank you for. that illuminating, as always. defense attorneys for the 21-year-old air national guards accused of leaking classified pentagon documents tried to secure his release today while prosecutors painted a portrait of a man with an arsenal of home has made violent threats online. also tonight, the san francisco public defender says new video appears just who started a fight between a homeless man in former fire department official who was brutally beaten with a metal pipe. details, ahead. the intense thrills

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argued whether he should remain behind bars while awaiting trial. defense lawyers have asked him to release him into his father, who was in court today. cnn's jason carroll has the details. >> the detention hearing got underway with jack teixeira's father first taking the stand. he told the court he would not hesitate to report his son if he was released on bail in his custody and broke any rules the court imposed. the defense argued the 21 year old international guardsman is not a flight risk, nor a security risk. to sheridan lot intend for the classified information to go beyond the chat room where he has shared it. judge hannity challenge that notion. someone under the age of 30 has no idea they put something on the internet that could end up anywhere in the world, seriously? he had no idea that would go beyond the little people on the server? that is like someone arguing i pulled the trigger but i had no intent to kill him. prosecutors argue to share a could also have access to hundreds of documents. the defense fire finish she was

that he no longer has access to those documents, saying prosecutors are exaggerating their clients threat and court documents filed by the u.s. attorney's office wednesday argued should teshara not be released on bail, claiming he poses a serious flight risk, writing you take refuse with a foreign adversary to avoid the reach of u.s. law. prosecutors claim the information teshara allegedly accessed far exceeds what has been disclosed on the internet. filing also includes pictures from the search warrant executed on his bedroom photo. so again locker next to his bid containing multiple weapons including and high capacity weapon, shotgun rifles, and a gas mask. prosecutors say long forsman also found a smash tablet, laptop, and a gaming console in a in the home and prosecutors say he also obstructed justice, telling those he was communicating with online to delete all messages very battey

comes looking don't tell them, expletive. they also ask why he was a candidate for the international guard given his history surrounding guns. tonight the pentagon is defending its procedures. >> i think it's important necessarily to take the actions of one individual and somehow paint a picture that that indicates a systemic breakdown and again this is under investigation in the investigation will tell us a lot more about this particular individual and what he did and did not do. >> cordach yamin states in 2018 teixeira was suspended while in high school after a classmate allegedly overheard him making remarks about guns and racial threats. that same year, prosecutors say he applied for a firearms i.d. card, but was denied due to concerns of a local police department over the defendants remarks at his high school. court documents mentioned his social media posts reviewed by the fbi. one post from last november wreaths, i hope ices goes

through with their attack plan and creates a massacre at the world cup. going on to say, if i had my way, i would kill a ton of people. >> and jason carroll joins us now. jason, what else to the judge have to consider today? >> well, john, the judge is going to have to consider a number of factors. when you look through the court filings, a lot of alarming allegations, including one from february of this, year where prosecutors say that teixeira was speaking with one of the discord users and talked about trying to turn a mini van into what he called an assassination van. he talked about allegedly wanting to target a large urban area or suburban area. there's also the searches that he did about mass shootings, like in uvalde in las vegas. and then there was the odd, thing in the bedroom they found an insignia on the wall, an insignia of the russian military. and so there are a number of things that the judge is going

to have to consider before he makes his final ruling as to whether or not he will grant bail. >> and besides that, what's next in this case? >> that's what we're waiting for. we're waiting for the judge in this case, judge hannity, to decide whether or not he would grant bail. he did not make a decision at the very end. and today's detention hearing. in all likelihood, john, it could end up being some sort of written ruling. we are waiting to see, but still, no timeline on that just yet. >> jason carroll, in worcester, massachusetts, jason, thanks so much. so some of the classified documents leaked online included sensitive information about the war in ukraine. cnn's nick paton walsh is there in ukraine now, where there are signs that a major ukrainian counter offensive may already be underway. >> spring is here after winters frozen horror. the buzz and sting of ukraine's looming counter offensive is growing. [sound of gunfire] [sound of artillery]

aiming at russian positions within 30, seconds the grading unit has moved away. it may be a precise operation for the rush but the russian response is not. [sound of gunfire] slamming into the near hot by, town edging closer to us. impossible to tell what the russians are trying to hit the. but another example of the intense bombardment. their bid to stop the counter offensive from starting. it is ordinary civilians caught in the rising dust behind us who bear the brunt of russia's wrist restrictive rage. along and around the brutalized towns, where ukraine says it may launch its attack, there are more signs it is underway, lurking in the foliage. ukraine has given publicly. that's because ukraine has said nothing at all about when,

where, or how or it will attack. but among machine gun fire in the nearby trenches, and drone operators hidden in the rubble. the detailed intimate picture they have of their enemy just two fields away is startling. watching and trying to kill each other every hour. they have noticed the russians pulling it back. >> [speaking non-english] >> [speaking non-english] >> another team has seen the russians written by chaos in

the ranks. >> [speaking non-english] >> [speaking non-english] >> it won't be long until that cunning or chaos meets a decisive test in this flat, open, and perilous space. >> nick paton walsh joins us now. nick, why is it still strategically important for ukraine to get a quick when this summer? >> it's partly about ukraine's friends and enemies here. obviously the ukrainian people, i think, probably their morale could do with the lift over this particular summer in a city like this. i was exposed to air sirens going off in the pretension for airstrikes. obviously would love to have the russians pushed further back away from this territory. but ukraine's friends have been in training, planning, potential offensive in the summer, providing a lot of

weaponry, which seems 90% or so in play or already in the country, already unclear to know where exactly what is being deployed. i think there are concerns amongst analysts that we may over the year ahead possibly see electoral or economic changes in ukraine's western allies. can't guarantee the same kind of support next, year or even by winter, indeed. so there were so i think urgency for a quick win in that regard and ukraine's enemies, well, russia is at a pretty weak position right now, and has struggled to take bakhmut after expanding endless resources there, and its defenses are pretty dated, frankly. substantial trench networks, defending with dragons teeth, bits of concrete, whether they can put in place. but the troops they have, a lot of them are newly recruited conscripts. some professional soldiers, perhaps, as well, but many analysts think moscow could do with a slow war of attrition here. they don't really have the sophistication of the weaponry to hold back a fast moving

combined attacked by ukraine. so i think they are hoping that you ukraine's move forward will be slow, we'll be plugging, or will end up frankly in a war of attrition along a very long frontline. we're seeing here potentially in the south of ukraine. but really separating crimea from the rest of occupied ukraine. many think that's the goal we're going to see. it just depends with what we're seeing so far and the change of tempo, it's the prelude to this counteroffensive, ukraine has been clear it's not going to announce that start. john? >> nick paton walsh, in zaporizhzhia. stay safe. great to have you. >> up next, new testimony today from e.t. carroll who alleges the former president raped her back in the 1990s. she took the stand for a second day, where she was subjected to fierce cross-examination. you need to deliver new apps fast

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>> closed captioning brought to you by flexible family of products. >> i feel swift here. the >> dramatic day in court's e. jean carroll return to in her suit against donald. trump she faced being strong -- belied allegations in the lawsuit. karen, what can you tell us about what happened in court today? >> yeah, john, so the re-four hours of cross-examination. during that time, tough to tierney joe tacopina shaolin just e. jean carroll's story, about being raved in the

department store. and under oath carroll acknowledged that she said some of her factories she said that they, were you know, difficult to understand and i did make sense they were odd. but she never strayed from her allegations that she was raped in the department store a dressing room. when the facts as she said she understood was odd was that she doesn't recall there being anyone on the sixth floor when this alleged attack took place. but the most intense moments during the cross-examination came when tacopina asked carroll repeatedly why she didn't scream as she was battling in that dressing room for her life. and told carroll him i'm not a screamer. she said, i'm telling you, he raped me, whether i screamed or not. now tacopina's hotel and some other ticket details, asking how she could've pushed trump off of her. he weighs more than twice what she does, while wearing four inch high heels, holding on to a handbag, and not ripping any of her tights? this was a fairly intense moment in this cross-examination, but carroll still stuck to her story. she never strayed from. and she said she was fighting

for her life in there and she was kind of overcome with adrenaline in the moment. >> was there any theme or line of questioning from the joe tacopina that really stood out? >> it was interesting. one area that he also questioned was he said, in 1990, you didn't come forward with this story in part because we were afraid that trump, then a real estate businessman, woodbury you. so why in 2019, when trump is the president of donated states, one of the most powerful people in the world, which you come forward with your story? and carroll so that she was inspired by the me too movement and all the women who came forward with allegations of sexual assault and rape by harvey weinstein. she realized silas was not an option. >> thanks. i'm joined by karen friedman, karen thanks so much for being with us. a big day in this case. maybe the biggest day with e. jean carroll on the stand

facing cross-examination. how do you think she held up? >> it sounds well the reporting that she held up quite well under this cross-examination. but i really think the tape of cross-examination she was subjected to is exhibit a about why women don't come forward. i think just the fact that she was questioned about what she did and didn't do, why she didn't scream, and really making her feel like she did something wrong when she was the one who was attacked. and she froze. she did the best she could in the moment. but this is the type of truly blistering cross examination that why women don't come forward in the first place. >> how does what you described as blistering cross examination, how does that play inside the courtroom, though? joe tacopina, he was actually warned several times by the judge to back off on certain lines of questioning. there is that something the jury takes notice of? how hot is too hard? >> i think so.

the me too movement, as e. jean carroll has said, it has really done a lot in terms of awareness for women in just people in general, that there really is no way that women are supposed to respond, no perfect way to respond. people do the best they can. when people like joe tacopina, who is a skilled lawyer, but in this particular instance, is method of cross examining her really seems questionable to me, that he would do this bull in the china shop method, where it's like he's victim blaming, victim shaming. this is a situation where he is saying nothing happened. not that oh, it was consensual. this is the type of cross-examination you would expect someone like joe tacopina to give in a case where he was saying it was consensual, you are laughing, you didn't scream, it sattre. but instead he is saying things to her that are actually quite offensive. and you can tell the judge was very upset with him.

and repeatedly struck him down, told him he was being argumentative and repetitive, and stop him from making these arguments. and the jury will notice that, for sure. >> now the date. e. jean carroll says, and his said all along, she can't remember the exact date, even the year, that this necessarily happened. how does that play, and how does the fact that she has been so forthcoming with that, and i think she in the plaintiffs were trying to protect her against cross-examination here, how do you think that lands? >> so i think a lot of the issues that are being raised, like the deeds, like why you didn't scream, it sandra, i think that that's why in a prosecution, where you have to beyond a reasonable doubt prove a case, he would call a sexual assault expert to the stand that would talk about these types of things, like you might not remember the year if it was decades ago, exactly, but you

remember there were certain aspects of a trauma that will be seared in your brain forever, and it's a well-known phenomenon when it comes to sexual assault, that there will be types of information that never varies, never changes, and it's truly seared in your brain forever. but other things like what year it was or the exact date, what other people were on the sixth floor, i know that was something that joe tacopina was trying to say. oh, you did notice other people. they are why would she noticed other people? there she was highly uber focused, highly focused on her attacker. and those are all things that experts in sexual salt will say is entirely consistent with a trauma such as sexual, a violent sexual assault like. this >> and very quickly, just remind us the difference between a civil and a criminal trial here? >> yes, so a criminal case is a much higher burden. you have to prove the case beyond a reasonable.

dowd and someone would go prison if they're convicted. a civil trial is a much lower burden, where it is a preponderance of the evidence. the way people describe it is like the scales of justice, you know they're 50/50, and you put a feather on the scale and it's like 50 point or one person gets you over the finish line a preponderance of the evidence, and in a civil case it's about monetary damages. >> friedman agnifilo, thank you so much for being with. as we really appreciated. >> thanks for having me. >> so the search continues for two or four inmates derek escape from a mississippi jail last week, and what happened to the other two. plus we're learning more about the former san francisco city official was allegedly attacked with a metal bar by a homeless man earlier this month. the public defender says her client was not the aggressor and attacked the former fire commissioner in self-defense. that the head, on three 60.

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>> an update on the story we brought last. not manhunt continues for two or four inmates that escape from an assist jail. when escapees was captured earlier today in texas in and a second escapee is now confirmed dead after a standoff with police yesterday.

cnn's amber walker joins us now. amber, what do you tell us about the rest of today in texas? >> so 51-year-old jerry raynes, one of the four escapees from that detention center near jackson, mississippi, was captured this afternoon. here is an image of that. this is happening in spring valley, texas, just outside of houston. so now this man faces extradition back to mississippi to face charges, including auto theft, among others. of course days before, john, this man was actually spotted at a service station on surveillance in that area in texas, and that is why police continue to concentrate their search there. we also know that he had allegedly stolen a hinds county mississippi maintenance vehicle the night that he escaped the three others from the arraignment detention center and drove it more than 400 miles west to texas. we also learn from the sheriff there that this is not the first time he has actually escaped from a detention center. he actually escape from this

particular detention center in 2021, and he was recaptured in another state. >> amazing. what about the other two? any leads on where the other two inmates could be? >> you can see their photos. there casey grayson and corey harrison, those are the last two detainees that authorities are searching for. that search remains focused in central mississippi, and that is because it is believed that these two man may have stolen a red chevy silverado in the area of jackson, mississippi. it has a silver stripe on the side of the car, and that vehicle was last seen heading east toward neighboring rankin county, early on monday morning. that's all they have right now. they are still searching for these two escapees. >> and amber, and astound is new information you are getting on the stand off and mississippi that left one of the inmates dead. what have you learned there? >> this is the last one we are talking about. it has been confirmed that the remains of dylan arrington were discovered inside a home in

leake county mississippi after a shootout with police. a tense standoff. we know he was apparently hiding out in that property. the homeowner happened to discover that he was there. he alerted authorities when they arrive. they surrounded the homer. and there was a shoot out. we understand that dylan arrington shot at authorities and injured an investigator and we are told the investigators doing just fine, in stable condition. but that he also set the house on fire. i will listen to what the sheriff from hinds county had to say. >> this individual had violence on his mind. i will say i believe that he did not pretend to intend to leave your life. the >> man hunt is now day five. we do want to mention that jackson community is mourning the death of local pastor reverend anthony what. it is believed that dylan arrington shot and killed him in the past and pulled over to help dylan arrington, not knowing that he was an escapee. >> that is so tragic.

amber walker, thank you so much. meanwhile, the former san francisco fire department commissioner was allegedly beaten with a metal pipe by a homeless man is now being accused of initiating the altercation. the public defender's is the former commissioner attacked the man first with bear spray. cnn's veronica miracle has the story. first, a warning, some of the video you're going to see is disturbing. >> a violent attack with a metal rod caught on camera. >> he was bleeding from his. head >> the victims, former san francisco fire commissioner don carmignani. the suspect, a homeless man. >> donny could die. >> in a neighborhood where some locals are fed up with the problem, it seemed like a clear-cut assault case, until it arrived in court. and the public defender for the suspect, garrett doty, released this video, saying it shows the ex fire official walking up to daunte, pulling out a can of bear spray, and spraying the

man as he lay on the ground. that's when the man appears to get up and the pair begin to scuffle. a short chase leads up to the beating. >> unless mr. carmen johnny is credible, and believable, they don't have a prosecution. >> doggies public defender says it may not even in there. she also points to this video, entered into evidence by the district attorney, she says, showing the 2021 bear spring of another homeless man. the question now, is this also -- ? >> i don't know. i have a strong suspicion that they are because of similar descriptions in a similar mo. but i think most importantly, it is the district attorney and the police who chose to include these in the discovery for this case. >> hathaway says there are eight separate instances of bear spring's odds on homeless people entered into the case by the district attorney. >> the victims are either asleep, in their chance,

sitting on a bench, minding their own business. >> i am an old guy, and i could've been added. gay >> community himself told the kpix that he denied authority that he was the man in the other attacks, including this one from 2021. they show me a person of interest and that wasn't me. >> he says he is a victim attacked after trying to remove almost people were doing drugs outside his parents home. his attorney releasing this video picking up a metal rod and practicing his swing. >> the impact in the back of my head went through my skull. >> he did not show up for a scheduled court appearance thursday where he was subpoenaed to testify in prosecutors say he is still recovering from extensive injuries and said they are not dropping the case against his

alleged attacker. these new videos now making justice in this case curious and complicated. and john, because carmignani didn't show up and testify in court, duty by law had to be released. donie's attorney says he is relieved to be released. the prosecutor says they need carmignani to testify in order for this case to move forward. the next hearing is in about a month. john? >> quite a development. veronica miracle, thank you. still ahead, former president trump is attacking florida governor ron desantis, for supporting the privatization of social security. but it turns, out he once back to the same idea. i'll talk it over the k vials andrew kaczynski, who has that story, next.

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>> new reporting from cnn's kfile, former president donald trump as attacked florida governor ron desantis for support the privatization of social security and raising the retirement age to 70 is a former member of congress on the congressional candidate. turns out that donald trump once bats the same thing. kfile's andrew kaczynski joins

us now. what did you uncovered here? >> donald trump has, is attacking his rivals for the same positions that he once had and social security and medicare. i want to take our viewers back a little history lesson here to 1999. donald trump, he's flirting with the run for president as a member of the reform party. what does he do? 2000, put out a book, the america we deserve. what did they call social security? he calls it a ponzi scheme. he says the answer to fix it is to privatized and to raise the age all the way up to 70. that is both of the positions that he is attacking ron desantis for taking in 2012 when he first ran for congress. let's fast forward now to 2011, 2012, trump, again, is flirting with the run for the presidency. around that same time, paul ryan is putting out that ryan budget the democrats are saying is going to turn medicare into a voucher system. trump was very very critical of

ryan for putting this budget out, but he wasn't actually critical of the policy. he was critical that ryan was putting it out before an election, before the midterm election, before the presidential election. and then when ryan gets selected by mitt romney to be his running mate, trump actually praises ryan pretty effusively on medicare. take a listen to what he told sean hannity in october of 2012. >> i like the energy he brings. i like a lot of the things he is saying. he smart. he truly understands what is going on with the 70 trillion in the budgets and everything else. and i think he is very strongly in favor of, i know for a, fact that he's going to save medicare. the other side is going to destroy medicare. he's going to save medicare. >> there you have. it he's actually saying he's going to save it. he praised him. he praised him quite a bit, actually, during that race. and when trump runs in 2015, 2016, he goes against this republican orthodoxy for years, which is that we need to reform entitlement programs very

successfully. he is saying the same thing now. but we should note that some of those budgets that his white house proposed did actually have cuts to medicare in so, he reached out to the trump campaign? >> yes, we reached, out how do we square? this what do you say? and we did give them a statement on a reform, he said that trump has consistently shown that he was always protecting entitlement, in contrast. desantis has consistently voted to cut entitlements and law advocating raising the retirement age when trump was elected and went to washington d.c., he saw the corrupt and dangerous paul ryan was. and prevented his disastrous idea like cuts to social security and medicare from coming to fruition. >> looks like a flip-flop. anderson, thank you so much for being with us. thank you for your digging. >> program may know, tonight on cnn prime time is the world closer to a cure for obesity? promising results for a new weight loss drug, that's healthy. answer tonight, at the top of the hour. >> still ahead, for us, the movie -- is about a career minor chasing

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