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quit and remote is one. of them a lesson for them. [crowd chanting] so, after 13 seasons, 1154 games, 4044 plate appearances for six different minor league baseball teams. monday had his first major league as appreciative for the pro pirates in the eighth one win over the dodgers. today he got his first start in third base. peers for perseverance. the news continues. cnn prime time with michael skokomish starts now. >> john, thank you. he was once a politician, but it wasn't until he pumped up the volume on top tv that is provocateur help to find today's era of politics. i'm michael smerconish in new york. >> [crowd chanting] jerry, jerry, jerry! >> for nearly three decades that was a chant heard over the

course of nearly 4000 episodes. controversial, unapologetically bra brash, rowdy, all words used in the headlines today covering the news of jerry springer's passing. my favorite? from the bbc. era defining. he truly did usher in an era of television that no one in the world had ever seen before, and i urge you, set the stage for today's political landscape. springer was 79. his family says that he died peacefully today at his home in suburban chicago after a brief illness. reports are that he had cancer. the son of holocaust refugees, he became a global sensation as a tabloid tv host. but before that, he was the mayor of cincinnati. he was an actor. he was a lawyer. he was a news anchor. and then there was this. >> my guest today say breakdowns and -- go hand in hand.

>> i am not a -- >> [crowd chanting] jerry, jerry, jerry! >> these long running syndicated show was -- divorced couple screaming at each other, physical confrontations, cheating spouses, open racists, chairs flying across the room. yes, jerry springer folks on ranch, family drama, crazy stories but. his ethos, of course, was emotion provoking, get the popcorn style of media was exactly the same style of programming that prelim and put dominates in much of talk radio and cable news. coincidence? i think not. sober and serious, that's boring. while over the top showmanship is the name of the game. i've long been of the opinion that programs like jerry springer and that of morton downie jr. paved the way for the course of our political dialogue, that the election of donald trump is a result of the empowerment of people with microphones.

having watched bombastic personalities for decades, bye 2016, somewhere right ready to elect a person who resemble their favorite hosts. over the course of the last three decades, these media personalities, they surpassed party officials and even elected officials in their influence, ascending to exalted status a political leadership. yet they prioritize goals seemingly at odds with good governance. compromise? that's for weaklings. let's throw another chair at the opponent. no wonder that gallup just determined a record number of americans -- 49% -- regard themselves as independents, not republicans or democrats. business motives, that's what drives the titans of top. the aim to maximize revenue by

garnering clicks and years and eyeballs. the more passion provoked by hosts, the better their shot of capturing and maintaining an audience. consider exhibit b. that's tucker carlson. he's fired this week by fox news after whipping up americans for years with conspiratorial programs, saying one thing on air but privately speaking the truth. here's a question. would tucker carlson have every reason to such fame but for jerry springer shoulders? i wonder. and an interesting new study by gallup and the knight foundation finds that nearly nine in ten americans follow at least one public individual, like tucker carlsen, to get information. and then they place a great deal of trust in them. the findings allude to the amount of power individuals with public platforms have in persuading or even misleading the public. today, i asked dr. brian rosen walled for his thoughts on jerry springer's passing. -- rosen walled wrote the book -- top radios america -- he emailed me this.

one interesting thing about spring or is that he is a guy who did a talk show and could plausibly have been a force for ideological diversity on the airwaves. but he instead graduated gravitated towards sex and ranch. with springer, it's to be more politically engaged, he's got a brand, and stick, and probably could not even contemplate the transition. well, to brian's point, in 2009, jerry springer wasn't in studio radio guest of mine. and he was not at all was i was expecting. funny thing. he complemented me for not being a screamer and for hosting rational discourse. i was kind of taken aback that the guy known for refereeing chaos instead was giving me a tip of the hat. he also revealed himself to be a pretty deep thinker. he was passionate about contemporary politics. he discouraged my audience from watching's show, which he described as stupid. but he totally contested my theory, the theory that i have just laid out tonight, that today's political scene was worsened by his style of tv. instead, he told me, things have always been like this. there's just more coverage. >> watch any athletic event. baseball brawls, for example, have been going on for forever.

people have been cursing forever. we have to be real about it. i'm not excusing. i'm not saying it's a nice thing to do. you teach your children not to do that. but to suggest that all of a sudden people are using language they never used before just isn't true. it's not new. it's just that, right now, everything gets covered and magnified life. >> he revealed himself to be need to be a nuance individual. in today's discourse, there seems to be no room for nuance. and that's what i'm most going to remember about jerry springer. at the end of every wild to jerry springer show, he uttered this piece of advice to his viewers. >> until next time, take care of yourself and each other.

take care of yourself and each other. >> take care of yourself and others. despite everything that happened in the previous 59 minutes. and jerry's closing message? well, that's a good place to start tonight. let's explore the impact that jerry springer and other public individuals like him have had on american culture and discourse. muhammad yunus is editor in chief at gallup, which, as we mentioned, as a pile of data on who americans are listening to and why. muhammad yunus, why are we turning away from institutions and toward individuals? >> fascinatingly, michael, the work we did with the knight foundation actually gets right to that point you made at the end. the number one reason why nine in ten americans are now following public individuals -- and these are celebrities,

euless, tv here most like you here tonight, michael -- the number one reason is they trust them and like them. but more importantly, they are getting a perspective that they feel they can't get from traditional news sources. and interesting and twisted way that really ties into exactly what you were talking about with jerry springer. tucker carlson and rachel maddow -- when we ask americans in the study, who is that person you follow, tucker carlson is at the top with 113 mentions, to rachael maddow's right underneath him, with 107. but collectively, they only represent 6% of people in the study. over 900 people were mentioned. i'll mention that the top 20 names mentioned only contain two female voices. but americans are now following a more dispersed list of public individuals than they ever have before. >> so, what are the ramifications or implications if we are not following institutions? what are we losing, if anything? >> what's fascinating, michael, is a lot of our discourse has really missed the mark. when we ask people where they follow these public individuals, the traditional platforms actually beat the non traditional platforms, like social media. so, they are coming to cnn to

listen to michael smerconish and get his perspective. but they are also listening to a lot of other people that traditionally aren't associated with that news traditional broadcast or newspapers. this is also happening at a time when our historic trends that go back to nixon on this item are at a historic low in people's trusted -- when nixon left office, seven in ten americans said they had trust in the honesty -- today, that seven and ten has dropped three in ten. >> it's a fascinating study. mohamed younis, thank so much for being here. >> thanks for having me. another big story tonight, for more than five hours today, former vice president mike pence testified before a grand jury investigating donald trump 's efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss. pence, of course, was a key witness to trump's pressure campaign, and was subject to it himself in the lead up to january 6th. let's get inside now from veteran journalist and senior political correspondent for the new york times, maggie haberman. do you think, behind closed doors, he finally unloaded on trump? because now the base wasn't

there to hear it? >> i think he unloaded a bit in his book, michael, so help me god, was his memoir he put out a couple of months ago. there are actually a number of key conversations in their, that people were saying, we so significant that he was saying why is he shielded. i do imagine that he went much further, just given the amount of time he spent in front of the grand jury. we know that the process in front of a grand jury tends to be much more rigorous. investigators ask questions over and over and over and drill down. but i imagine that he was fairly forthcoming. and what we have always heard -- and granted, there was a bit of

a, not a game. but there was an effort to not testify after he had not testified after the house january 6th committee. but also, what we have always heard from people familiar with his thinking was, that he was aware that the department of justice investigation was a different animal with than a congressional investigation. and i think -- >> -- interpretation of the constitution and the need to protect the executive ranch. but i just never understood why -- wild horses could not keep me from testifying if a mob got within 30 feet of me calling for my execution. and yet he went to great lengths not to testify in that setting. >> i think that you got to the heart of the issue in -- republican base. he's someone who wants a political future. it's ultimately impossible to have a political future in this party if you are seen as openly attacking trump on certain issues. now, mike pence has gone further than, certainly, i expected him to at certain points, then i expected him to go, i think other people expected him to go -- he has talked about how one person has cannot sell a presidential election. -- but has he made it his main cause? no, he has not. it is not something that republican voters -- january 6th and the lead up to

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of president biden's note cards from wednesday's press conference -- one of them list the president himself as an attendee at an oval office prep session while another features a picture of los angeles picture times reporter -- and implied that biden not only had advance knowledge of the reporters question, but needed the notes because of his advanced age. the white house pushed back on this today. >> it is entirely normal for a president to be briefed on reporters who will be asking questions at a press conference and issues we expect they might ask about. we do not have specific questions in advance. that's not something we do. in fact i, would point out the question that was asked was different than what was on the card that you all saw. >> okay. so, how different? here's the note card against the question so that you can decide. >> your top economic priority

has been to build up u.s. domestic manufacturing in competition with china. but your rules against expanding chip manufacturing in china is hurting south korean companies that rely heavily on beijing. are you damaging a key ally in competition with china to help with your domestic politics -- >> so, she's not reading the question verbatim that we saw in the note. but the whole thing does look troubling. what do you make of it? >> it's optically similar, certainly, to what biden had on that note card. but it is a much sharper question then, at least a note card, suggested it might be. i don't know what happened. i don't want to -- a reporter for something that i have no visibility into whether there was an exchange with the white house or not. it is not a usual four white houses or -- or gubernatorial offices to try to get a sense of what reporters might be asking. i've never seen that detailed a note card before. and it is an unfortunate image for biden, for all the obvious reasons. -- as to old, that he doesn't know enough. i've never seen somebody have to have themselves listed as much in the and event. we saw donald trump with his hands called note cards. there were images of that

constantly when he would be at events. i remember rudy giuliani, as mayor in new york city -- his folks would come up to us in the press corps and not only try to figure out what we were going to ask, but tell us what he wanted to talk about and hoped would happen. >> sure, of course. >> -- i think the visual for biden is not ideal. >> i'm sitting here, by the way, of notes what i feel like i will next ask maggie haberman. ? right i mean there's nothing wrong with note. in this case, it's political malpractice in so far as this is a week when he announced and polling data came out expressing that so many americans are concerned about his age. like, who would even put that note in his pocket to put him in a position pulling it out? >> i'm assuming some staffer did, a comms officer, or advanced effort. but yes, it was not exactly bearing in mind that there would be a camera that was going to be drilling down, and he's holding it, waiting around. i think it also speaks to, again, something he's going to have to get used to, which is

being around and visible in ways that, certainly in his 2020 campaign, he was not. he's going to have to be this time. >> the l. a. times they said they did not submit questions at the white house. i have to take advantage of the fact that you are here during the commercial break. you are dealing with popes and presidents. i'd love to see what is going on in that phone of yours. here is the question. the e. jean carroll trial playing itself out in southern manhattan -- how concerned is donald trump about that case? >> everyone i have talked to says that trump is personally very bothered by this case. because it is a rape allegation. it's not a criminal case. >> right. >> it's not a charge. >> right. but it is a very, very serious allegation. it bothers him a lot. he knows that he got himself in some trouble by attacking her on his social media website. that was just unhelpful to his case. now, does that mean he's going to talk about it? not necessarily.

but behind the scenes, he is making it very clear how he feels. >> the response to the alvin bragg indictment, i argue -- i think the data is pretty darn clear -- was a boost to him, at least among republicans. i can't process if this goes a different way, if there is a plaintiffs verdict, because there is a case for money damages. this is not a criminal proceeding. i don't know whether tha t makes a bump in the road for him or not. >> in the long term, i actually don't think the alvin bragg indictment is especially helpful to him. it's certainly helpful so far in a republican primary. will that be the case in a general election? will there be additional indictments? i think we don't know, the same

as we don't know here how this will play it out in the long term. i don't think an adjustment in this case would be helpful. what i do think -- and it really struck by this -- i wrote about this the other day for the times -- is that trump continues, in the minds of a lot of voters, to be seen as a non-politician, and to be graded on something of a curve because of that. and to that end, this is not even at in the top five stories that people are talking about. >> no, no. >> and yet, he is the front runner of for the nomination. -- >> thank you, maggie, appreciate it very much. up next, the legal side of the story. a heated day in court, the just reference e. jean carroll takes us cross-examination inner civil trial against donald trump. the details on the emotional testimony are in just a moment. easy-to-use tools, and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools make complex trading less complicated. custom scans help you find new trading opportunities. while an earnings tool helps you plan your trades and stay on top of the market. my a1c was up here; now, it's down with rybelsus®. his a1c? it's down with rybelsus®.

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>> the woman suing donald trump for battery and defamation face cross-examination in court today. e. jean carroll claims the former president raped her while the two were shopping in a new york department store in the mid 90s. she also claims that while he was president he defamed her

when she went public with her allegations. trump has repeatedly denied all of it. his defense is focused on why she didn't make any public report at the time or get the attention of anybody at the store at the time. in court today e. jean carroll testified certain parts of this story are, quote, difficult to conceive of. as for why she didn't come forward, quote, i was afraid down trumpeter tally it is actually as she he did -- waited until other women. i was not a pioneer. i was a follower. i saw other women coming forward after harvey weinstein and thought, who am i not to tell my story? my next guest knows what it's like to represent famous man accused of sexual assault. jennifer bond gene represented both bill cosby and r. kelly. thanks for being here, councillor. she testified that after being there, she had never -- i will say it directly. she never had sex. that's pretty powerful testimony in a case for civil damages, right? if the jury accepts that that's big. >> it's going to be hard to make a nexus between this event that occurred, allegedly, what? 25 years ago and her claim of

damages, particularly in light of the fact that she claims she was assaulted by somebody else. people live lives during 25 years. and she's going to have to convince this jury. even if she can convince the jury that this occurred she's all has to convince the jury that the reason she is unable to have had this romantic life or sexual life was because of this event. and with 25 years of life in between, that is a difficult thing to do. but the problem is is that you may have a jury who doesn't care. and they are going to punish donald trump either way. >> is donald trump making a mistake? if you represented donald trump, would you be telling him, you've got to be in his courtroom and offer live testimony? >> well, that's a mixed bag, of course. not having your clients testimony is unquestionably a

detriment. that being said, it's unclear what type of doors that would open. because there have been a slew of allegations against mr. trump. and we have seen in these metoo cases, fortunately, there is a pattern of judges allowing in all of this other -- that he might be able to be confronted with. and then the jury loses sight of what they are really there for. and they are just like, okay, this guy just a bad guy. it's about character. and you get a guilty verdict either way. so, it's a mixed bag. not being there is a problem. but being there and testifying is a problem to. >> we were surprised that joe tacopina did the cross himself as opposed to a female member of the defense team doing that part of the case? is it harder for a man, in a situation like this, to conduct a cross examination of a victim

-- and alleged victim of sexual assault, then it would be, say, for you? >> that's a hard question to answer, because i'm not a man. i know, for me, conducting cross-examination with a woman who is an alleged victim is very easy. it's like any witness, frankly. i don't have any polls about it. i don't have any feelings that i can do my job, whereas i'm not sure if a man feels they might be judged differently or it might be playing differently with a jury. so, that's a hard question for me to answer.

but i can tell you, as a woman who does cross examinations of people who have made serious allegations against my clients, it does not bother me in the slightest. that's my job. and that's what i'm there to do. the cross-examination is the greatest engine of truth. and that's what you are there to do. a man who cannot do it -- i mean, that's a problem. >> i can imagine that a lay person following this case might think it's to the benefit of e. jean carroll, th e plaintiffs, or if there were more women than men on the jury. it was never my experience the gender broke that way. if you were defense counsel in this case what would you be looking for if you can control the gender of the jurors? >> i think that women are great

jurors actually. i think that -- i've seen a break both ways, frankly. i think women can be very tough on each other, so woman might say if this happened to me this is how i would have responded. so that is one piece of it. i do think, sometimes male jurors, particularly in this climate, are like -- there's a certain amount of guilt about the history of massaging, and they don't want to be that guy in the jury room that's like wait a second, you know, i don't know that i believed around that. because we are in a time where not believing women's shames. and while i understand in a social media context, in the media, and in the world -- in the courtroom, we can't start with the presumption that someone's time the truth. we still have to test every

allegation. and i fear that people bring some of the -- shifting cultural and attitudes to the jury room, that might interfere with due process, frankly. >> quick final process, if i may. her narrative is there was some playful interplay, verbally, between the two of them at bergdorf, which leads to the two of them then going into a dressing area. there is no force on his part, getting him to go into the dressing area. i can't help but wonder if he made a mistake insane he had no knowledge of her, because it removed consent,, a consensual quick relationship from the table, right? >> yes. he committed himself to never seen this, woman never heard of this woman, never happened. and there is no going back from that. so, again, i'm not on the jury, i'm not hearing the evidence come in, and that may be the truth and the jury may find that, but a consent defense certainly is something that seems very plausible as well. >> jennifer bond xin thank you, appreciate your expertise. a new diabetes drug promising to be a game-changer for weight loss, obesity medicine doctor answers those questions next.

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shots and elixirs, decades -- now growing a number of americans are climbing for drugs first used to treat diabetes, the popularity of drugs like ozempic and will go -- by tiktok and a long list of celebrity champions, but eli lilly says they have an injectable drugs with type two diabetes losing percent of 16% their body weight, the top in 34 pounds over 17 months in trial. doctor holly lofton, is the director of the medical weight management program at the nyu school of medicine, and dr. we

should point out that you are principally an investigator for separate obesity study, funded in part by eli lilly, how big a deal is this? >> this is what we call a game-changer in regards to a lot of some type two diabetes, we know it's hard for these types of patients to lose this type of, wait and the study has demonstrated significant weight loss in the populations. >> may lead to folks without diabetes getting some benefit. >> we've got a separate study, eli lately has been looking at is about to tide, for patients without tech to buy diabetes, and they actually lost more weight. so it's promising for both populations. >> one of the side effects? >> side effects have to do with the mechanism, because these are medications that look just like hormones that are made in our got, they cause got related side effects such as nausea, vomiting diarrhea, but overall the benefits are much greater than those risks. as reading about the trial obviously not having your expertise if i'm right the placebo group also lost weight. >> so that's something to be said for the benefit of diet, exercise, and behaviors. when we look at the trials, were seen right lots of the people not receiving medication, and that proves we should say 15% weight loss -- it's 40 to 50% likely to lose that amount or is only 3% likelihood of losing that with normal medication. >> do you have any concern that if this all turns out to the benefit, there will be some among us who now will avoid healthy lifestyle choices, thinking ahead who is a magic pill, okay it's not a pill it's

an injectable here, but you follow right? >> well i see patients every day under four medications for weight management, i was trying to encourage a lifestyle, but there are environmental factors such as are very busy, or the, tired and they can't always do the lifestyle. so the medications can help them get more benefit with the waxing and waning of died in exercise. >> so where does this go next? there is a, trial the result has just come, in how long until greater availability for all? >> we know this mitigation is now approved for type two diabetes. looking at this study, it's now beneficial for patients with type two diabetes and obesity, and lead them being fast-tracked for weight management and obesity treatment, i expect that to happen later this year. >> okay, game-changer,, game-changers or cool. thank you doctor, we appreciate it. >> head of state by day, some of my night, south korea's president putting on a show at the white house, singing american pie. the don mclean will join me in a moment, for his rearview.

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promote peace and taiwan, and russia's unprovoked war. but it was this unexpected moment that stole the show when the president serenaded guests with a rendition of a beloved classic rock some. a long, long time ago. ♪ ♪ ♪ after his performance, biden with gifted him with a guitar signed by john mcclain. here to talk about, this none other than men himself. singer songwriter don mcclain. a long long time ago? what is it about that song that we all love seeing it.

the shower, the car--. >> it's very good michael i like that. it's a special, what is it about? >> i'll tell you it has a melody which is something that's pretty hard to find these days. and that's just opening part of the song i mean the song is eight and a half minutes and as a rock and roll song. i intend to go over to south korea next year and sing it with the president so that probably going to be another new story. he wanted me at the white house to sing the song. but i'm in australia right now on tour, and doing 24 shows over here they're all sold out the interesting thing about this american pie moment is that it just happens to be the celebration we're into, the 50th anniversary of the album. and the song american pie. --

and there is a lovely documentary, the day the music tied the story of don mclean's american pie on parliament plus now, and this week or next week, it's actually up for one of five documentaries for an mtv award. i'm up against gomez and j. lo and all those pop people it's just a trip, you know, goes back to the days when record time companies were willing to put out music by artist to do many different things they might be protests songs they might be insulting to some short people remember that one. that insulted a lot of people, that would never come out today. >> don i'm of an age where i'm one of those guys who sitting in my bed room with headphones on, reading liner notes, and trying to figure out what a guy

like he was saying. i promise i won't ask here, a watch the movie, i won't ask who is the gesturing that who's the king. >> that's the thing people need to watch a movie if they want the answers to this. >> i just want to ask you this. you must get a kick out of the fact that so many people love spending so much time trying to figure out what you are saying even today. >> i get a kickl out of the fact that the song is still alive. musicians are dealing with a thing called alchemy we deal in magic, and some of the things that we do, fall on their face and some of them if we're very fortunate, our magical and live forever. >> amen. >> so this is what we're after. you can't really describe it, you can't really find out the meaning of life either, because this is magic. and when you do something and we're all these seeking

perfection of some kind, as i say i was lucky the record company was willing to put out album or the song all those years ago. >> congratulations, it had to been -- so bye-bye, don mclean. >> thank you very much for having me michael, i enjoyed it. >> thank you don. >> ahead on cnn tonight the president of one of the most powerful teachers unions, taking the congressional hot seat over school closures during the covid pandemic. the classroom closures going for too long? alison camerota start talks with andy wyden garden next. but first, 68 years ago this august, a young black teenager was taken from a home in the middle of the night, never seen again by his family, until he lay unrecognizable in his casket. his name was emmett till, a white woman accused him of proposition-ing her inside a

grocery store. witnesses say he whistled later. her husband and brother-in-law kidnapped, killed, and tortured and shot him, they put barbwire on his body and dumped him into a river. his mother decided the world needed to see the horror that was done to her son. so she opened his casket at the funeral. what the world saw inside shocked, accelerating the civil rights movement. but that man who killed till died this weekend. despite decades of calls for accountability, caroline by was never charged for her role. an all white jury would -- win in recanted part of her testimony to author timothy tyson, when asked in 2008, bryant told tyson, i have thought and thought about everything about emmitt ill, the killing, the trial, telling who did what to who. when tyson asked her about what happened, she told him that till did not grab her waist, which had been one of the critical claims, when tyson pusher on what did happen, she

said this. honestly, i just don't remember. it was 50 years ago you tell these stories for so long that they seem true. >> one of till's cousin saying today, she was never tried in the court of man. but i think she was judged by god, and his rat is more punitive than any judgment or penalty she could've gotten in the courtroom. >> i appreciate the 14 years that we spent together, is a joy watching them unfold, and the development of his body. and i don't regret the time we spent together, i'm just sorry it was so short. because if i had known we are going to be separated so quickly, i probably would've done the wrong thing trying to do the right thing. but i feel like i did the very best that i could, and i don't have any regrets for any time we spent together. .or crab cracking, you're cashbacking. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs,

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to encourage, revive, elevate and enhanced the teaching of civics. he's a self described law limo conserve, oh, middle of the road oh. he's also an academy of award winner, he's a founder of the dreyfuss civics initiative, and author of one thought scares me. we teach our children what we wish him to know, we don't teach our children what we don't wish them to know. richard dreyfuss, what don't we want them to know? >> right now, we are deeply committed to turning them away from any knowledge of how this country is run, how the constitution works with the bill of rights is doing inside the constitution, and anything else that gives them a heads up, and an open brain, because we

were, after all, the most important political revolution in the history of mankind. and no one today knows what the hedges said. >> you say in the book, fewer and fewer americans understand something funded on the front page of the newspaper. but i hear you argued, is there is this delivered attempt underway to keep the masses uninformed, so what? so that decisions can be made for them? >> yes. so that they don't have to be consulted because that would be after all awakening things that make your head hurt. and we don't really want that anymore. we did for a long time. but, once we passed the 60s, we said, no, this is getting in our way. >> what's the solution?

>> seriously, the solution is for people to realize, that when we say the phrase we the people, we're talking about us, everyone, all of, us you and me, and remains that we have the god given right make our opinions known, to make our status known in the hierarchy. right now, politicians all make one terrible mistake, they think they are our boss. >> and for the benefit of those who have not yet read it, because i have, and they're looking at you now and same as you come into this from the left, maybe he's from the right. you're a self described, as i tried to read the pronunciation, middle-of-the-road guy. there is not a bias on either end of the ideological spectrum that you bring to the stable. >> right.

there is no bias, what i said to every audience, ever since i started this, is that i am not a liberal, i am a libo conserve-o, middle of the rodeo, just like you. but we just haven't given it enough thought lately. >> a man, i wish i could fit on the bumper sticker. thank you, i enjoy the book. >> and blame your parents. >> my favorite part of the program, let's get some social media reaction to tonight's show, what do we have? i prefer to remember jerry springer was he was anchor and commentator front of the tv cincinnati, his commentaries were reasonable, thought-provoking, totally different person of that with a jerry springer show, is a totally charming guy, came into my radio store studio compliment to me for civility thinking what's wrong with his pictures complementing the

facility that he told my radio audience don't watch my show it's stupid, what else came in. worth noting that pence only testified because he was forced to. he could've done the right thing in volunteered, that's not the gop. this relates to my conversation with maggie haberman, and the fact that the former vice president testified in front of gantt grand jury. look the maga base wasn't watching, like maybe the day was the day that he vented, and laid it all out. how could it sit well with him then a mob was in 30 feet of him at the capitol, chanting for his execution, and he didn't want to testify to the congressional committee those investigate january six? it never made sense, but i bet today was different. what else? i like this part of the show. i think he wanted to speak up all along, but felt the maga people with trash him for it, politically he played a safe waiting phillies compelled to testify, under what he said. >> respectfully, to mike pence,

i think he's fooling himself, thinking he can of it both ways. because the maga base controls the nomination process. and these done to that. secure all into trump or you're not. when more if we have time i think we do. wouldn't it be great if it became a thing where brad leader sing a song that is meaningful in the host country? humanity is just what this world needs right now. how many of us now have a bug in our ear, of don mclean saying in american pie, right? whether you're in the shower driving in the car you can be doing it. one more i think we can do it. he did a better job of you did with mandy, if you know what that, is it's a reference to the fact that this morning, i saw barry manilow's, coming and i can help but break out in some, go to my social media. thanks for joining, us the news continues here on cnn.