face. >> you can see, the show was panned as trashy, salacious and violent. tv guide ranked it number one on a a list of worst shows in history. but springer always defended his program. >> look, it's an absurd joke. >> why do you keep doing it? it. >> well, i told you, one, i enjoy it. two, there is a part of me that doesn't want to give in to -- >> snobbery. >> yeah, because i will say the argument against the show is totally elitist. the only reason people argue against the show is because these people don't speak the queen's english. >> springer propelled the career of his friend and mentee steve wilkos. before eventually he got a program of his own n a statement to cnn, other than my father,

engin jerry was the most influential man in my life. everything i have in my life i owe to him. "cnn this morning" continues now. >> the first time in modern history a vice president is compelled to testify about the president he served beside. >> mike pence has likely provided intricate, direct, first-person testimony. >> this lasted for five hours. gives you an indication of the painstaking detail that prosecutors want to get into. >> let's keep in mind, there is no other witnesses to these conversations. >> prosecutors say teixeira could still be a threat. he may still have more classified information. >> authorities say he had an arsenal of weapons just feet from his bed. >> court documents mention his social media post. if i had my way, i'd kill a ton of people. >> i think he's a danger to the country and a danger to himself. >> on the third day, her civil battery and defamation lawsuit, e. jean carroll grilled on her allegations that donald trump raped her. >> the most intense moments came

when he asked carroll why she didn't scream. >> as for why she didn't come forward, quote, i was afraid that donald trump would retaliate. >> devastation after seven reported tornadoes tore across the south. >> doesn't take long to spin up a brief tornado in the panhandle of florida. they were able to topple trees. >> they followed everyone off the pier due to the lightning. it struck one of the men. with the first pick in the 2023 nfl draft, the carolina panthers select bryce young, alabama. >> he became one of the most decorated college quarterbacks ever. >> i know you worked so hard for this. >> i can't wait to get to work tomorrow and start building off of that. >> good morning, everyone. especially to bryce young. we're here at the desk. >> thank you for having me. >> so glad to have you.

caitlyn, so happy for bama. >> so happy as well. i can't wait to see the rest of the rounds to see who gets drafted next. we start with big headlines out of washington. former president donald trump tried but failed to stop his former vice president from testifying. mike pence, of course, appeared before a federal grand jury investigating trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 election. it is the first time in modern history that a vice president has actually been compelled to do so. to testify about the president that he served alongside. pence is now the highest ranking trump white house official to testify in jack smith's probe. we know that the special counsel wanted to question pence about conversations he had with donald trump leading up to january 6. pence rejected trump's demands to block joe biden's victory and that heated phone call the morning of the insurrection. that's when trump called pence a wimp and another vulgar word. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> not long after that call we

watched as trump supporters stormed the capital chanting "hang mike pence" forcing him to run and escape to a secure underground location. for months, pence did refuse to testify in the special counsel's probe niuntil a judge ordered h to do so. he never talked to the select january 6 committee. >> joining us is the former lead vector for the january 6th committee. with us now is tim haffey. you have such good perspective. you were the lawyer for the work that they were trying to do where pence did not speak. good morning. thanks again. >> thanks for having me. >> what makes pence's testimony so critical to jack smith's probe? >> well, jack smith is looking for evidence of the president's intent if he's going bring a criminal charge. he has to prove that president trump and potentially others corruptly with specific intent

took steps to disrupt, ab instruct, interfere or impede with the joint session. so direct conversations between the vice president and the president about the vice president's authority, about the prospect of violence on january 6, about the entire course of dealing will will directly bear upon the president's state of mind. so, it's pretty significant that the vice president is testifying. >> so important this is a firsthand account. this is not pence's aides who have spoken already to the grand jury. this is the man himself. the bar for intent is also high. so, if you were questioning pence and trying to help the grand jury determine intent, what would you be asking him? what would you have asked him for five hours yesterday? >> we had a really detailed outline of questions we intend to ask the vice president at the select committee. unfortunately, we didn't get that opportunity. i would have started with january 6. he is also a victim. prosecutors look for victims. that's very important to inform their discretion about whether to bring a charge. i would start with the morning

of january 6 with that heated phone call with the president. the no one else has testified directly about the conversation, the only accounts we got were second hand. and then i want to walk the vice president through the day. look at one point as our evidence showed he was about 40 feet away from rioters inside the capitol. that puts a personal perspective on those events. in is about real people in real danger. i think he'll walk him through his day and then ask about all the things the president did not do. did not call him dsh. did not check on him. he didn't ask about the deployment of the national guard or things that the vice president was doing to secure the capitol. there is more. i would start with the lived experience on january 6. >> what's interesting about pence as a interesting is he just wrote a book on this, on a lot, but this is part of it. he did disclose things in that

book concerning his direct conversations with the president on not just the 6th of january, the days leading up to it. but don't prosecutors have to go way beyond what pence discloses in the book to actually meet an intent bar here? >> sure. i don't think there is any big surprises in terms of what they learn because the vice president has been pretty forthcoming in his book and in some speeches. we got a lot of second hand accounts about the vice president's position and the fact he conveyed it to the president. this is a firsthand account. they want to know context and get actual words. they want more detail than he said to the federalist society in his big speech or he has said in his book or subsequent interviews. it's always different and much more reliable to interview a person to get his or her firsthand information and accounts of conversations than a one-sided narrative in a book or in an interview. >> wouldn't you have to get really pence's state of mind, did he feel pressured by the

president? >> i think the president's words are crucial because the president's state of mind is what the special counsel is diving into. but absolutely. again, the vice president's spe perspective and fear. he said he was frustrated or angry that president didn't reach out to him. that he did feel that he and his family were in danger. so those real human motions. keep in mind, he's a victim. that really matters in criminal prosecution. >> do you believe that the timing of pence's testimony here indicates anything about where jack smith is in this probe? would it indicate he is nearing the end of the probe? this probe? >> yes. that's a good question. typically, you sort of march up the chain of responsibility involvement. and you would get to substantial witnesses like the vice president toward the end. that is how we proceeded. we did not subpoena the president until the i have end.

we didn't ultimately get a discussion from the vice president that he was not going to cooperate until the very end. because you want to sort of build up to that by getting as much information that will inform those interviews. it does suggest to me that jack smith is going everywhere, where there is potential evidence and he may very well be, since he is hig hitting the substantial witnesses towards the end. >> we appreciate your perspective. have a good weekend. >> breaking overnight, three american soldiers are dead. one is injured. two military helicopters collided over alaska. now it happened as they were returning from a training flight near haley, is 100 miles south of for the waynewright. this is the second deadly military helicopter collision in two months. in late march, two blackhawk

helicopters with the 101st airborne division crashed near a training session. nine soldiers were killed. >> just awful to see thinking of their families. also overnight, at least 14 people have been killed in ukraine including children after a deadly barrage of russian missile strikes across the country. nick robertson is live on the scene. nick this is the first strike in or around kyiv in a while. i believe since early march. what can you tell us about what is happening? what are you seeing on the damage on the front? >> yeah. ukrainian officials intercepted most of those missiles that were fired at ukraine. kyiv, first time missiles were fired on that city in 51 days. some of the missiles unfortunately got through here. this is damage, rescue and recovery. they've been on this site. the missiles hit here about nine

hours ago. if you look up there, you can still see the smoke coming out of the apartment building. a missile just slammed into this building. we know that on site now and while we've been here we've seen another two bodies carried out. at least 15 people killed here, we understand. the three of them children. we talked to an eyewitness who was one of the first people on the scene here. he said he could hear women and children screaming in the rubble. i'm going to walk you through this rescue and recovery operation that's going on here right now. there are fire trucks here that are are still putting water on the blaze. if you follow me across here, david, david is our cameraman, the families still waiting to find out what happened to their loved ones. you come around here, you just get to see how bad the devastation is. there's a line of firemen,

david, can you get in to see them. there say line of firemen scouring the ground there where that digger is trying to pull the rubble out. this is an apartment building that has 46 different apartments in it. the missile struck here at 5:00 in the morning while people were sleeping. so, most of the victims so far, we understand, were all asleep in their beds. there are dozens injured. and, frankly, we've been talking to the officials here. they still don't have a real accurate figure of how many people they're still searching for. they still believe there is another couple of children in there that they're trying to find at the moment. there is a line of relatives i'm looking at over there desperately waiting just beyond that big crane there, desperately waiting for news about their loved ones. this is a slow and difficult process. of course, ukraine and the officials here very, very familiar with these devastating

russian strikes. no matter how many of those missiles they shoot down, a couple still manage to get through. and this is the result of it. it's just horrifying for this community. >> yeah. you hear 21 of 23 intercepted. but look at the damage of what did get through, what wasn't successfully intercepted. speaks to, of course, they need defense systems for. this nick, you were talking to people waiting to hear from their loved ones. you can't imagine what they're going through. this is a residential area. it's 200 miles from the front line wrfof where the actual fighting is? >> it's a huge distance from the front line. you're right. about 200 miles. i'm looking around. this apartment building here we're told by officials 109 people registered living in here. i'm going to ask david to give us a quick spin around this neighborhood. you see how many other buildings are here. we look around here.

this is a dense residential neighborhood we're looking at here. all around there are buildings. thousands of people. thousands, upon thousands of people living here. so, even hundreds of miles from the front line. and here in this city, a local resident said they haven't had a missile strike here since march last year. so, for the people in these buildings i'm looking at, that probably breathing a sigh of relief. for the relatives, desperately waiting for the reality for all of them it doesn't matter where you are, 100 miles, 200, 300 from the front line, you just don't know what can happen next. >> yeah. absolutely. no sense of safety. nick, i know you'll be tracking this. we'll we'll stay with you. >> homeowners in if florida are waking up to tornado damage after severe storms across the south on thursday. now this is where 12 homes were wiped out. 20 were damaged. in the midwest, flooding is the

big concern. a huge snow pack melt causing the mississippi river to swell and crest. we're going to get more from our meteorologist in the weather center. just to start, obviously, the images are devastating. we're talking about going across this area. what more can you tell us about kind of how this broke down? >> yeah. about 50 million americans under the threat of severe weather today. 20 million of them find themselves in that bulls eye of greatest risk across central texas. this interstate 35 corridor that connects dallas to austin to san antonio, that's where we have a level three of five. i want to highlight the wording here. the main threat. look at that. large hail. can't rule out a tornado once again. the severe threat in florida, not as pronounced as what we experienced. we're focusing in on texas. the chance of hail could be devastating. storm prediction center has a area over dallas-ft. worth. earlier this week we saw this

monster gorilla hail fall from the sky. the hazards are on the table today. the storms are so powerful in texas. they have powerful updrafts cyni pinnacle of a super cell. gravity wins and gets so large that it falls right back to the ground in the form of devastating hail that can obviously put holes in wind shields and also damage crops and obviously damage -- a threat to personal lives as well. the other story that we're monitoring, the flooding. the slow motion disaster that continues to creek along the mississippi river. we have 25 river gauges under major flood stage. 400 miles of flood warning stretch the mississippi river with our crest anticipated across the quad cities this weekend. >> thank you so much. nikki haley facing backlash this morning after she flat out said president biden probably won't be alive in five years. >> yeah, we're going to speak to a person who is criticizing the

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the commissioner about to announce the first pick of the 2023 nfl draft.

>> they squeezed that for all it was worth. the long standing tradition of boo'ing roger goodell. the first round kicking off in kansas city, the home, of course, of the super bowl champion, patrick mahomes and the kansas city chiefs. bryce young was picked first by the carolina panthers. a huge night for alabama. two of his other teammates were also picked in the top 12. love to see will anderson. the houston texans snagged quarterback c.j. stroud as the second pick before trading up to grab will anderson at number three. a stunner for kentucky quarterback will levis. he was expected to go in the top ten. he fell out of the first round. for more analysis on all this let's bring in ryan clark, an nfl analyst for espn as well as a former pro bowl safety and super bowl champion with the pittsburgh steelers himself. good morning.

thank you for being here. i think for lovis, look at jalen hurts going in the second isn't so bad. but when it comes to bryce young, they assume he'll be the quarterback for the next decade. >> when you pick a guy first overall, you expecting him to be a hall of famer. you go that high in the draft because you're supposed to change an entire organization's trajectory. and most times, if you get an opportunity to pick first, that means you weren't very good. now the carolina panthers were able to trade up into that spot as chicago moved out of it. bryce young has been a five huff star recruit coming out of high school. he is the heisman trophy winner at a historic university like the university of alabama. they're going to expect some of the same things when he gets to charlotte for the carolina panthers. i think he is one of these players that is so ready for this opportunity. his poise is beyond his years. his execution on the field is very drew brees like. i think he is built to be a

leader of an organization. couldn't be happier for the young man. i know that the carolina panthers definitely got them somebody that can lead this locker room for a decade and a half to come. >> that's one of the things caitlyn is telling me this morning. what a good guy he is off the field. and i think you're talking about a leader. you can't just execute and then be a jerk or get into trouble. that's really hard for your team. you know? >> yeah. absolutely. and i think that's part of the process as well. right? understanding what type of family dynamic he comes from. taking different tests and talking to him and getting to know the person. when you become the leader of an organization or the face of a franchise, you're going to be put in adverse situations. you're going to be asked questions or asked to do things as leaders of men that most people aren't asked to do outside of sports. and bryce young is prepared for that. >> now you have this career at lsu before you were drafted. can you talk about what that night is like if it doesn't go your way, right, if it you're

the athlete waiting and waiting and waiting? >> yeah. i mean, you know, it's funny. you talk about waiting and waiting and waiting. i was an undrafted free act. so, seven rounds went and my name was never called or my phone never rang. when you look at guys like will levis who was expected to go top ten from kentucky and sitting in the greenroom with all of the eyes on you and cameras constantly in your face, because the entire world, including the networks understand that you were expected to go. it's now this entire country who is watching you go through this agony. and there is nothing that you can do to change it. it's about getting that chip on your shoulder that should build f you're will levis, it's understanding there has to be a reason that no one called my name in the first 31 picks. and you should spend the rest of your career, the rest of your opportunities not just proving those people wrong, but proving yourself right. proving yourself right for taking this trip with your

family, expecting to go in the top 10. proving yourself right for knowing that all of those people made a mistake for not calling your name. it's difficult in this moment. but will levis should hear his name called today and many other players will. and still a dream come true. it's still an absolute blessing to get an opportunity to play in the nfl. you have to take it for that. understand why you didn't go where you were expecting to. put that work in. >> yeah. jalen hurts i think is living proof of that. i can work out just fine for you. >> absolutely. >> you can see how it can be a motivating factor. we'll see who is drafted next. ryan, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you for your time. >> have a good one. overnight, james corden signed off the late-late show for the final time for hosting will ferrell and harry styles appeared as final guests. there was even a special video from president biden congratulating corden. but here's how he decided to close out his show. watch this. >> we started this show.

we started with obama. then trump. then a global pandemic and i've watched -- i've watched america change a lot over these past few years. i've watched divisions grow and i've seen and i've felt a sense of negativity and at points boil over. and i guess all i really want to say is i implore you to remember what america signifies to the rest of the world. my entire life has always been a place of optimism and joy. and, yes, it has flaws. so many. but show me a country that doesn't. show me a person that doesn't, me, you, all of us, we are all trying to figure this out. we are every single one of us are a work in progress. just because somebody disagrees with you, doesn't make them bad or evil. we are all more the same than we are different. and there are so many people --

[ applause ] -- there are so many people who are -- who are trying to stoke the differences. and we have to try as best we can to look for the light. >> look for the light. that's such a profound statement. coming from someone who is supposed to make us laugh. and also, i feel like "late night" is where the -- everyone looks at once. it's the remnants of the it's not niche television. that was great. >> he is right about the point of when he started the show, obama in office, how he is leaving, what the state of the u.s. politics is. of course, that's like one of the biggest influences on the late night shows. interesting to see that. >> yeah. >> good for him. republican presidential candidate nikki haley slamming president biden's age shortly after he announced his white house bid. we'll have former senator and close ally of president biden doug jones here to respond. grea.

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legislators in two very red states failed to advance restrictive abortion bills within hours of one another. it was conservative dissenters who helped block the bills. take a look at this. both state bodies are dominated by republicans as you can very clearly see by a 2-1 ratio. both went for trump by 10 points in the 2020 election. take a closer look at nebraska. a state senator there posted this video after that six-week abortion ban the state failed by a single vote after one of the republican colleagues abstained from voting. he raised concerns about the ban being too early for women to know they're pregnant. he warned fellow republicans about-facing political backlash over abortion bans. in south carolina, we heard from lawmakers like nancy maze, concerns over what the abortion bills could do to republicans' chances in 2024, there are the states five female senators fill b -- filibustered against a bill that would ban all abortions. this is a republican.

>> abortion laws have always been eep been, each and every one of them, about control. it's always been about control, plain and simple. we the women have not asked for as a senator from orangeberg pointed out yesterday, nor do we want your protection. we don't need it. we don't need it. >> said it's all about control. joining us now, former alabama senator and distinguished fellow it he center for american progress, doug jones. he also just got an award. congratulations to you. but, you know, we're both from alabama. to see what is happening in south carolina, see what is happening in nebraska that, was a surprise victory for abortion rights advocates in both of those states. >> yeah. you know, caitlyn, thanks for having me. it really was. kudos for them to stand up, especially the women in south carolina. i love the statement that i just

heard. she's absolutely right. this is always been about control. it's always been about somebody forcing their views on the women in this country. so, it's happy to see folks standing up for their rights like that across the lines. the one older gentleman in south carolina -- know, nebraska -- he clearly went a conservative way but not a radical way. and i appreciate his vote. >> 80 years old. he said i don't know if by six weeks women are going to know they're pregnant. yeah, i think you make a very important point. let's turn the page to what you tweeted about this weeken that is presidential candidate, republican presidential candidate nikki haley saying this -- let's play the sound about president joe biden. >> if if you vote for joe biden, you really are counting on a

president heiress. the idea he would make it until 86 years old is not -- is not something that i think is likely. >> does that -- he's going to be dead in five years? i mean, she didn't walk it back. >> yeah. no. that's exactly what she is saying. you know, there is a combination. i think the comments were vile. i think they were appalling. i really do believe they're not befitting of a presidential candidate or any candidate for public office in the united states of america. and there is an element of race baiting in that as well. playing on the fears of folks that might not want a strong black woman as president of the united states. and i think that there is some serious issues. i'd love to see some of her republican colleagues walk it back for her. but i don't think we're going to see it. i think they're going to probably jump onboard. as i said, i think this is a race to the bottom. >> that was interesting. i was looking for republicans push back against it at all.

and not see it. >> she's also playing on an actual sentiment, concerns about the president's age which we have seen in polling politically. so, given what is to come, right, seeing what we're seeing in this partisan attack, how should democrats view this? >> i think democrats have to push back on comments like this, for sure. i also think that democrats do exactly what the president's done and pushed forward what he has accomplished in the last two years. >> but does that deal with the age issue, right? that's what is becoming the problem. >> yeah. look, his age issue. there is a way when you look at the accomplishments. that's what people want. people across the united states want somebody who will do things for them. things that they can talk about at their kitchen table. they don't care if somebody is 40, 50, 60 or 80 as long as they're working for the american people. >> i don't know. i think accomplishments matter. but in all the polling we've seen over the last five days,

there are real concerns among a majority of democrats about his age. some even saying -- some democrats even saying that's number one reason why they think he shouldn't run. >> you know, poppy, those polls are absolutely meaningless at this point. people raised joe biden's age four years ago. look what he did in the election. he got more votes than any presidential candidate in history. those issues were raised. they're going to be raised. as the president said, it's a legitimate issue. but look at what he is doing and what he's done. i think people are going to rally around that. i think democrats, for sure, rallying around that and when you see the alternatives, alternative over the republican party puts a bunch of asrtificil intelligence memes out there to counter this. >> but isn't there a way to raise legitimate questions about

the president's age, no the just biden's but former president tru tru trump who is three years younger than him and then suggesting the death of the president in that way? >> well, i think that legitimate questions have been raised. again, joe biden said that the other day. it is something that he -- that is going to be raised. but the fact of the matter is that you answer those questions with what you're doing. with how you're approaching the job. how are you approaching world leaders across the country, across the world. i think that's how counter those things. you raise the questions. it is obvious. it is out there. no one can deny his age, least of all joe biden. but what he's been able to do, what he is continuing to do, i think, speaks volumes. and a lot more than age issue itself. people are going to look and see what is going on. at the end of the day, you know what? we have primaries. primaries going to tell the

tale. democrats are will are rallying around joe biden. they're going continue to do that. and the alternatives will bring more independents and moderate republicans in just like they did in 2020. >> all right. doug jones, thank you for your time this morning from miami. >> all right. next, we're going to turn to the issue of free speech on college campuses. we went to the university of pittsburgh during a protest to ask students and educators what they think. >> do you think kids are less able to take -- or listen to opposing views now? >> no. i don't think they're less able to listen to opposing views. the i think they take less crap as they get older.

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that is at james madison university in virginia. just on wednesday, students were demonstrating against a conservative speaker who they accuse of spreading hateful transgender messages. we have seen protests like this from coast to coast, protest that's led to a debate over the state of free speech on college campuses. >> our guest caught up with students and educators at the university of pittsburgh after they protested an event featuring a right-wing commentator. [ chanting ] >> that's conservative podcaster being chanted down at university of pittsburgh. >> transgenderism must beirrad indicated by public life. >> they were saying whether they should regulate transgenderism. he was met by a rowdy protest

outside. such student protests have sparked a bigger debate about whether kids these days no longer have the appetite to debate controversial issues on campus. is free speech dead on campus? >> no. obviously, he is speaking right now. we are not shutting him down. we don't want him to speak. hopefully we can drown him out. we are right now enacting our right to spree speech just the way that he is. >> you can't debate intolerance. and someone wants to inflict harm on you, you are going to debate them inflicting harm on you? no. >> thank you very much. >> reporter: as debate started, some protesters were removed. speakers who oppose trans rights sparked troe protests nationwide. at universities in iowa, utah and new york just in april. last month stanford law students heckled a federal judge about his record on trans rights.

the law school's dean scolded the students in a public letter but declined cnn's request for an interview. do you think kids are less able to take -- or listen to opposing views now? >> no. i don't think they're less able to listen to opposing views. i just think they take less crap as they get older and realize that hate speech is hate speech and free speech is free speech. i do believe the two things are very different from each other. >> these speakers are often brought to campus by outside conservative groups such as the intercollegiate studies institute. the university has to figure out how to deal with the backlash. sometimes they post videos in which students are humiliated. >> it's no secret that they keep unfolding, it's a deliberate strategy to try to find a controversial speaker, try to provoke the liberal students into having a reaction and making sure all of that gets filmed in a certain way that makes the students look as bad

as possible. >> reporter: cnn was told they have no institutional strategy to provoke backlash. they bring speakers that engage in healthy exchange of ideas for students with opposing views. >> we have to step back and say what do we want out of this conversation? there needs to be a reason to put it in it front of people. i think what gets skipped in the invitations is in place of value, you get controversy. >> reporter: more than 11,000 people signed an online petition against two other conserve tough speakers. the school went forward with events saying they uphold the principles of free speech and expression. that can contradict the school's values. noles was scheduled to debate a professor who is trans. he pulled out the week before telling cnn that noles was not a serious person. then isi, the sponsor, invited the trans writer $10,000 to substitute in. she said no. $10,000 is a lot.

>> oh, yeah. $10,000 is a lot of money. that would pay off my car. that's half a year of rent. >> have you ever been offered that much? >> no, not even close. >> what does that say to you? >> that says they're willing to pay anything to grow their entertainment enterprise. i don't know why trans folks are expected to accept the premise that our humanity is up for debate. if it were a debate on whether or not to allow racial segregation back into society, we wouldn't have a debate about that. that would be unacceptable. >> reporter: finally, gay libertarian podcaster agreed to debate noles. >> it's awesome you could come here on such short notice. how much were they paying you to do this? >> a lot. >> reporter: noles, through spokeswoman, declined an interview with cnn and despite the emphasis on free speech, isi say they could not film more

than the opening remarks. once cnn got going, no one ushered the media out. >> michael noles is a big speaker. he should have freedom of speech. sadly that is being shut down in modern society as can you see outside. >> you would have a panel where someone spoke about whether or not there should be legal murder? >> no. because murder is objectively wrong and you're killing someone. i would not put that on the same spectrum. >> as i said about shutting down free speech, i think this is very good example that clearly something is going on here. >> that boom was according to a university statement. no one was injured but some buildings were temporarily shut down. do you think the point of the debate is to try to convince people in this room or people on the internet? >> i think it's both.

the goal of the event is not to make some uneducated leftest kid feel like an idiot. i hope they are able to do so respectfully. >> reporter: they burned michael knowles effigy. >> it's too violent, it's too aggressive. it's counterproductive. what they do is take an image of that, spread it online and say, see? this is what the movement is trying to do. they are going to burn anyone an effigy who disagrees with them. >> reporter: she says this generation is different, but not because it's more fragile. >> as millennials we were taught to stand up for what we believe in. we were also taught that there is a certain amount of abuse we need to take to push the ball forward. gen-z, for them they refuse to accept premises that are dehumanizing. >> reporter: why do these debates over rights for minority

groups always get converted into debates over free speech? >> when someone backs you into a corner and says i don't like your ideas, well, you doyou wan to sensor me. it's the coward's way of dealing with an argument. the answer should be here is why my ideas are interesting and important. not inposing a quasi constitutional glass for what you have to say. >> and you can see -- what is the industry of speakers that is taking advantage of this? >> i think it's important to notice that it's not capital gains tax that is sparking protests, some scientist with a theory about black holes. it's trans rights this year. five years ago it was white supremacy. and so of course those issues provoke an emotional reaction because they effect someone personally. the students are saying that's over the line.

that's not just a political debate. i am not a thing to be debated. >> well, thanks so much for this. it was a lovely report. >> fascinating, as all your reports are. thank you. all right, a manhattan courtroom getting a private concert from ed sheeran yesterday. why he brought his guitar to the witness stand to make his case. ♪ lolove entwined. exclusively at kay. ♪

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♪ i been really trying baby ♪ ♪ will be loving you til we're 17 ♪ ♪ and baby my ♪ ♪ trying to hold back this feeling for so long snoend ♪ i could still ♪ >> the lyrics and melody of the songs are different but the chord pro kbreggression is at t heart of the lawsuit. that's the theory explored by an australian comedy group in a clip a few years ago. they played dozens of songs with four chords. here they are. >> just pay attention. do you recognize this? ♪ >> don't stop believen by journey. ♪ my life is brilliant ♪

♪ my love is pure ♪ ♪ i saw an angel ♪ ♪ it's two songs ♪ ♪ people kill and people die and children run and hide and cry ♪ ♪ you practice what you preach ♪ ♪ to apologize ♪ ♪ too late ♪ ♪ it's my life ♪ ♪ it's now or never ♪ ♪ we ain't gonna live forever ♪ ♪ no you can't read my poker face ♪ ♪ let's party ♪ >> wow, but just because both songs sound similar, that's not the criteria in sheeran's case. jurors have to decide if he knowingly copied marvin gaye's song to make his own hit. >> okay. as someone who knows nothing about music that's amazing to hear. >> the marvin gaye family has sued in the past with the

"blurred lines" case. in that case the artist lost. to time the musicians are coming at the artist. no surprise ed sheeran brought his guitar into the courtroom to make his case. >> what a way to make the case. the last one, they put an acknowledgment, a credit to marvin gaye. >> every artist copies to some extent, but that chord is not where you want to hash that out. >> that's amazing. our great producer sam put that together. all right. "cnn this morning" continues right now. just because somebody disagrees with you doesn't make them bad or evil. we are all more the same than we are different and there are so many people -- [ cheers and applause ] >> there are so many people who are trying to stoke those differences, and we have to try as best we c