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for the democratic nomination for president and a new poll has him at 19%. i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. here's my conversation with robert f. kennedy jr. robert, president biden has a bust of your father in the oval office. when you see that, what do you think? >> i'm honored by it. you know, i have a lot of admiration for president biden for the service that he's given to our country. i've known him. he's been my friend, my close family friend for 40 years. you know, there's nothing personal about this campaign. i am not going to run a mean spirited campaign against president biden. he and i just differ really dramatically on the issues like the war, like censorship, like the control of wall street and the big corporations, of our

federal government and the pharmaceutical companies and also the use of fear as a governing tool. i think our country is headed in a bad direction. that's why i'm running, but not because i lack personal affection for president biden. >> is he too old to have a second term? >> you know, i don't think age should be a metric for us limiting presidential power. i mean, bernie sanders is 81. a lot of people would support him. so i think the only question we have when you get to a certain age is do you have the mental acuity. i am not going to judge president biden's mental acuity. i'll leave that to other people. >> i've just seen a poll that says you're at 19% among democrats in a race against president biden. at what point do you think he's obligated to debate you?

i'm mindful of the fact that if it were a general election, the commission on presidential debates has a threshold of 15%. >> i mean, i think there should be debates. i think particularly at this time in history there's so many americans who are worried about election integrity, who have lost faith in election integrity and feel like the whole system, including the election system, is rigged against them. there were riots by people on capitol hill because of that driving conviction. both parties ought to be doing everything they can to convince the american public that we really have a democracy in this country and that our politicians are talking to people, are doing retail politics, are engaging in debates and town halls. it's not just a rigged system where the candidates are chosen

by the political party the way that was done in the soviet union. i'm hoping even if i had 5%, i think it's important to do debates. >> would you go so far as to say he has an obligation to debate you if you have a respectable showing in the polls, and 19% is respectable. >> i think he has an obligation to democracy to debate anyway. you're a lawyer and i'm a lawyer. there's no legal obligation that the president has. i can't sue him for it. it's a decision by the party. i would hope that the party would treasure our democracy. i think a lot of people are feeling like the shroud has been

lifted off of democracy now and it's all kind of fake and it's all rigged. i think we need to be doing everything we can to persuade americans that democracy in this country is real. >> i watched your announcement speech from boston, all two hours of it. >> i apologize. >> at about the 48 or 49 minute mark you said -- >> this is what happens when you se censor somebody for 18 years. i've got a lot to talk about. >> who censored you and why? >> most recently, you know, the networks all censored me, including this network. most recently and, i think, most offensively, the white house was asking the social media sites to

censor me. there were also attorneys general, i think, 13 democratic attorneys general who contacted the social media sites and asked them specifically to censor me. we now have because of the twitter files and these e-mail dumps, we now have clear evidence that there were white house personnel who were ordering the social media companies to censor me. it had nothing to do with misinformation. in fact, nobody's been able to show a single statement that i've ever made on my twitter or any social media that is factually inaccurate. it was because i was dissent ing on government policies. that's a clear violation of the first amendment. >> let's go there. the "new york times" then

reporting on your announcement said this, mr. kennedy is the latest in a history of fringe presidential aspirants from both parties who run to bring attention to a cause or to themselves. do you embrace that label "fringe"? if not, what does fringe mean to you? >> well, i'm not running to bring attention to a particular cause. i'm running because i believe i'm going to win. i have a good enough chance of winning to endure all the hardships that a campaign imposes on me and my family. i can tell you this, because i know you're a big fan of my wife's. if i had not convinced her i can win this race, i would not be in it, because she's the ultimate boss. >> listen, i do love your wife. i'm team cheryl. having said that, she called you

out on that anne frank reference. >> even in hitler germany, you could cross the alps into switzerland, you can hide in an attic like anne frank. i visited in 1962 east germany with my father and met people who climbed the wall and escaped, so it was possible. today the mechanisms are being put in place that will make it so none of us can run and none of us can hide. >> you then apologized. can you and i agree that nazi or holocaust references are never appropriate, because then they diminish what truly transpired in the holocaust? >> well, first of all, in that case -- first of all, let me say i agree we have to be careful about how we invoke the holocaust. just on a theoretical or

hypothetical basis, i don't know if you can have hard and fast rules about that. i grew up in a generation where right after world war ii where everybody was saying never again. and the only way we make sure that kind of barbarism is if we are allowed to talk about it and recognize all the milestones of tyranny. that exercise may require us at some point and may be useful to invoke historical wrongs, including the holocaust, you know, the american native genocide, black slavery and the many atrocities in history. i want to say something about that case. in that case, i never compared the covid mandates or the covid response to the holocaust. that was a media canard. something the media made up and

charged me with. i was making a completely different point about the emerging rise of ai, artificial intelligence, and surveillance technologies, which was creating an infrastructure that in future totalitarian systems would be able to surveil us and intrude and control our lives in ways that had never happened in the past. >> i know, but you -- >> let me just finish. >> you invoked anne frank. >> i invoked her not comparing the holocaust to the covid mandates. i wasn't doing that. that's what the media reported. that was not true. i ultimately because of the damage happening to my family and because i was living in a world where nothing i said was reported, so i was not allowed to defend myself. in fact, this is the first time i've ever been allowed to talk about it on tv. nobody would talk to me.

nobody would invite me on and say why did you say that. ultimately i had to apologize for something i never said. >> i'm happy to have you here, because i want to have a conversation. i can tell already you'll have to come back so we can continue this. i need to get to this. this week a covid crisis group released a big report that cited our collective national incompetence. i'm sure you're familiar with it. i worry about our scientific preparedness for our next covid. i also worry about diminished faith in institutions. in your case, you're so suspect, disbelieving of the fda, the cdc. where will you go if you are president for scientific infor information? on whom will you rely? >> i'll rely on the same sources i rely on now, which is pub med,

the repository and the archives for peer-reviewed publication. the cdc and fda, these are the same agencies that brought us the opioid crisis. they told us that opioids were safe and effective and were good for us. now we have 56,000 young people dying every year more every year than the 20-year vietnam war because these agencies got their science wrong. they got it wrong because they're controlled by pharmaceutical companies. what we have to do -- in a democracy, unfortunately, we are required not to listen, not to simply take on blind faith the statements of authorities, whether they're military authorities or public health authorities. we have to do our own homework. blind faith in authority is a feature of religion. it's not of science. we are obligated to look at the

science ourselves and make up our own minds. my uncle understood that. that's why he didn't bomb cuba during the bay of pigs. he didn't trust the experts. >> i want to do a lightning round. y disney versus the state of florida, pick a side. >> i have no comment on that, i don't know enough about it. i've been totally on the sidelines on that. i'm not delving into it. >> subject two, trans supports participation? >> i think i'm against people participating in women's sports who are biologically male. i think women have worked too hard to develop women's sports over the past 30 years. i watched it happen and i don't think that's fair.

>> i'm worried. this is subject three. i'm worried about our adolescents, our youth, the impact of social media. i take note of the fact that the cdc -- i know you often question the cdc, but the cdc just released that the percentage of high school female students who seriously considered suicide rose from 24% to about 30% between 2019 and 2021. do you see a causal connection between big tech and usage by our adolescents and the spike in mental health? >> i think the spike in mental health has something to do clearly with social media. i think there is a causal relationship clearly between the chemical exposures to children today. we have a chronic disease epidemic in this country. in effect, we've gone from 6% of our kids with chronic disease to

54% as of 2006. among those are chemical exposures and pharmaceutical drug exposures and issues like depression, anorexia, ocd, a.d.d., adhd and all these different neurological injuries. i will deal with ending the chronic disease epidemic in this country. >> to the people who say why did you let him say that? why didn't you confront him with the data, you would say what? >> show me the data. that's what i love. show me where i got it wrong. show me where i made a statement that is inaccurate. show me the science. >> robert kennedy, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me, michael. i want to set up this week's poll question but quoting peggy

noonan. quote, robert f. kennedy jr. announced last week. this week he hit 19% support among democratic voters. that's a lot, especially for a guy who's been labeled a nut. he's been a leader of the idea that childhood vaccines are connected to autism, but his larger general message would appeal to the edges of the left and right and blends into the general populist mood. corporations and the government are playing you for a fool. i say watch him, he's going to be a force this year. i want to know what you think. go to summerconishsmerconish.co this question. does robert f. kennedy jr. pose a threat to president biden's reelection? what are your thoughts? hit me up on social media. oh god, you're giving him a huge

platform to spread his anti-vax nonsense. go watch his announcement. you can seeasily find it online. he's got a much larger message than that which he's been characterized for. i think that's how i would respond. up ahead, in president biden's reelection announcement, there was a video. vice president kamala harris figured quite prominently. my guest says, this is thomas friedman, that with age now a bigger question for biden, kamala harris's 2024 role is key. as i just discussed with rfk junior, the cdc's latest numbers show teen depression and suicide are getting worse. legislators are figuring out the

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president biden launched his 2024 campaign this week. vice president kamala harris had a very prominent role. of course, he wants to remind us of the historic, diverse choice that he made, but he also may be hoping to calm the worry voiced by many americans about his age. in a recent nbc news poll, 70% of adults said biden should not run again. asked if age was a factor, a total of 69% said yes. you'll remember in 1984, concern was voiced about ronald reagan running for reelection at age 73. at 80, biden is already the oldest president in history. if reelected, he'd be sworn in at age 82. at the end of a second term, he'd be 86. that means increased focus on vice president kamala harris. right now, her aggregate disapproval rating is currently at 54%.

she recently has been making appearances around other popular democratic causes such as infrastructure and abortion rights. former white house chief of staff ron klain said this. >> why hasn't she been able to shake the perception that she's bad at her job? i know sexism and racism are a huge problem, but that doesn't explain all of the bad press. >> sexism and racism are part of the problem, no question about it. i think she was not as well known in national politics before she became vice president. i think she just hasn't gotten the credit for all she's done. hopefully during the campaign season, the american people get more of a chance to see her on the stump and get to know her a little better.

>> my next guest recently wrote this column in the "new york times," why kamala harris matters so much in 2024. thomas friedman joins me now. he is a three-time pulitzer prize winning "new york times" columnist and the author of seven best selling books. thank you for coming back. you are very much for the reelection of joe biden. that's what prompted you to write this piece in part. >> yes. the real point of my piece was that there are, in my view, we're at a critical juncture and three things cannot happen. israel cannot turn into hungary and authoritarian democracy. putin cannot win in ukraine. and donald trump must never, ever, ever, ever, ever be back

in the white house. so that is my priority. that is my focus. i'm asking what is the best democratic ticket to win that election? to me, you need a ticket that appeals to the very forces that enabled democrats to do so well in the midterms, which were moderates, independents who looked at trump, his agenda and particularly the election denialism and slvoted against virtually every election denier. this is going to be a close election if it's trump versus biden. we need the center. we need the moderate and independents and white working class to come out for biden in enough numbers that he can win. this is code red. >> here's a paragraph in the piece that i circled. it's no secret that vice president harris has not elevated her stature in the last

two, plus years. i don't know what the problem was, whether she's in over her head or is contending with a mix of sexism and racism. all i know is that doubts among voters about her ability to serve as president, which were significant enough for her to quit as a presidential keehave gone away. ron klain's opinion seemed to be buying the idea that it's sexism and racism. you don't seem to have a choice among these causes of what it would be. >> i don't know. i'm not an expert. for some voters, she comes off as inauthentic and she hasn't been able to overcome that. i don't know what the problem is. all i know is that when you have a president that's going to be

86 years old at the end of his second term, the question becomes much more important. if trump is the republican candidate and say he asks nikki haley or tim scott to run with him. that could cause a lot of votes to look at that ticket and plug their nose and vote for him again. that's my whole focus. i have nothing about the vice president. i wish her well. this is a really important moment. we need people who believe that trump must never be in the white house again. the democrats have to have the best ticket possible and one that will definitely appeal to moderates and independents who showed up for biden in enough numbers to really tip the midterm the right way. >> in the piece you argue that the president needs to deal with this head on.

he needs to address it. have you thought about what does that actually look like? >> well, some people tell you maybe he should consider a different vice president, someone like hakeem jeffries, who plays very well to the center. biden clearly does not want the go down that road. you aired his announcement video. maybe there's ways to help vice president harris establish herself more with centrists and independents. just the abortion issue will bring enough voters around and there isn't a question of succession, i think is a dangerous, reckless way to go into this next election. >> tom, i looked at the reader picks among the "new york times" reader responses.

there's a consistent theme to a number of them which is to say that the out here is the supreme court of the united states. >> for that, you would need a supreme court justice to retire. >> true. >> if that were to happen, i think that's a very legitimate possibility. >> i think there's some political malpractice being committed on the part of the white house that relates to this. no doubt you saw the story about the president at the presser with the korean president reaching into his pocket, pulling out a question, calling on a reporter from the l.a. times. i need to make very clear that there was not an apples to apples of what was in his pocket and what she then asked of him. nevertheless, it fosters this perception that he requires that level of assistance. >> i'm one of the few reporters who has had a chance to have

lunch with the president by ourselves, the two of us. i was very impressed with his cognitive ability, his awareness on shissues. he can go deep. we were talking mostly about foreign policy. i'm not worried about that now, but i am concerns that six years from now that could be an issue. therefore, my point is the vice presidential choice in this election will matter more than ever. democrats have to have the right vice president going into this election. this election will matter more than ever. four more years of trump in the white house, putin in ukraine or israel going autocratic and the whole world as you know it will be changed in a very bad way. donald trump must never, ever, ever, ever, ever be in the white house again. >> finally thought.

quickly, this is a sensitive subject. i've tried to handle it in an adult fashion in the same way you've written about it. what kind of reaction did you get personally to addressing this matter? >> read the comments on the column. they were overwhelmingly supportive of the point i was raising. >> they were. it's true. stick around. i want to lean on a three-time pulitzer prize winner to respond to social media. i want to read it aloud. if anyone wants to watch kamala harris question a witness in a senate hearing, you would see why i think she is talented. sorry some have a biassed impression of her. she may not be popular, but so what? you would say what to robert on that, tom? >> the polls are thele polls. the question is, does she connect with enough voters in the way that will be really decisive in this election. that's the point.

>> thomas friedman, thank you for being here. >> pleasure. thank you. up ahead, back in 2017, psychologist gjean twangy raced the problem of social media and mental health. legislators and school districts are finally realizing she was right. she's back to discuss whether it will ever be possible to put that horse back in the barn. answer this week's poll question at smerconish.com. does robert f. kennedy jr. pose a thread to president biden's reelection? mmm, popcorn. (alternate voice) denture disaster, darling! we need poligrip before crispy popcorn. (regular voice) let's fix this. gives our strongest hold

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jean twangy called it and called it early. and now everybody else is playing catch-up. this week a group of bipartisan senators unveiled a bill that would establish a national

minimum age of 13 for social media use, calling it a common sense bipartisan approach to stop the suffering. back in 2017, it was twangy, a psychologist who teaches at san diego state, who warned the world how social media had created a mental health crisis for young people. at the time, she was greeted with skepticism. in a provocative "atlantic" article called have smart phones destroyed a generation. she made a connection that smart phones had hit the threshold of being used by the majority of americans and the year that facebook acquired instagram. that same time that same year it began a skyrocketing of rates of teen depression and suicide. she warned that igen, as she called them, was on the brink of the worst mental health crisis in decades. the pandemic only made things worse. the latest of many alarming

sympt statistics, the percentage of high school female students who seriously considered attempting suicide rose from 21% in 2019 to 30% in 2021. those who made a suicide plan increased from 19.9% to 23%. suicide attempts rose from 11% to 13%. now, six years after twangy's initial findings alarmed legislators and school districts are trying to curb the dangers of teens going online. besides the bill in the senate, utah requiring condition sent from parents before minors joined any social media platform. seattle public schools and the county in which i was born and raised, bucks county, pennsylvania, have both filed suit against the platform parent companies. the dbucks county d.a. compared social media to opioid manufacturers and distributors. now twangy has a new book called "generations, the real

differences between gen z, millennials, gen x, boomers and silent and what it means for the future. con fwgrats on the book. let's remind people who wat you. you have for 30 year gen xer. everybody was trying to figure out gen x and how we were little actual data comparing, say, surveys. that's what i've done with this new book across all generatigen, across surveys trying to figure out what are the actual differences between the generations when we go to them and ask. >> i remember when igen came out. you appeared with me a couple of times. i would push you. are we talking about correlation

or causation? you were always reluctant to speak in terms of causation. in the new book, quote, in the years since, no other plausible culprit has emerged. so where are you now? >> yeah. we have so much more data now on the links between social media and depression than we did six years ago. so, for one thing, it's not just in the u.s. where we have these enormous increases in teen depression and anxiety and self-harm. it's around the world. so that helps us rule out u.s.-based explanations like school shootings, for example. we also have a lot more experimental data. that's where we can really show causation. some amazing studies have come out over the last six years showing, for example, when people cut back on their social media use, they're happier and less depressed.

there was a study showing that as facebook rolled out across college campuses, the mental health of college students suffered right after social media was introduced. so we really do have more of that evidence now for causation. >> is it possible that those most likely to be anxiety ridden or depressed are also the ones most eager to go online and it becomes self-perpetuating? >> that's probably playi ing somewhat of a role. it can be cyclical. that explanation doesn't work very well for explaining generational trends, for explaining why teen depression doubled between 2011 and 2019 even before the pandemic. but not a coincidence that was the time smart phones became common, social media became y ubiquitous and social media kept

teens on them for longer. that was by far the biggest change in teens' lives over that time period. it's not just that they started spending more time online, they also started spending less time with each other face to face and less time sleeping. technology was interfering with things that are good for mental health as well. you can't say it's aggression causing this, because then you'd have to say, okay, teens became depressed for some completely unknown reason and then they bought smart phones and went on social media. that doesn't really work for the generational trends. >> there is the seattle litigation and more, the county where i was born and raised with more litigation, utah taking a bold step in this regard. i had the state nsenator who sponsored that here a few weeks ago. bipartisan senators are stepping forward and saying 13 has to be the age. is that enough?

>> social media is so unregulated right now. these platforms were not designed for children. they weren't even designed for teens. they were designed for adults. so we know from a lot of data that that link between social media use and depression is larger for children and younger teens. the younger you are, the bigger that link is between spending a lot of time on social media and being depressed. that's where we need to think about regulation first. so that bill is 13. well, even better, how about 16? let's get social media out of middle schools. that is such a difficult time for kids already. and then putting social media on top of that -- i mean, think about as an adult how hard it is to put down the phone, how hard it is to put down social media,

how difficult it is when you don't get the likes or you get negative comments. then imagine being 12 or 14 or 15 and dealing with that. >> dr. twangy, quick final thought. you with jonathan hiet and others, you're putting together a hell of a databank on this. it's totally transparent. people can go and get this information themselves. >> yeah. we put together several google docs on this. you can read the abstracts of the studies, see some of the graphs. it's open to commentary for academics. it's all there. then, of course, a lot of it's in the new book as well. check it out. see for yourself. >> the book's called "generations." good luck. thank you for being here. can't think of a more important subject. >> thank you very much. still to come, your best and worst social media comments. i want to remind you, go to

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heavy voting, more than 32,000, 57% say no, 25%, a little bit more, according to that fox poll than where he's running ride now in the results, against joe biden, say, yes, so we'll keep watching it. social media reaction, what else is coming in during the course of the program? i know a ton. plenty more interviews in conservative media but an anti-vaxxer is a no go for the democratic party. i'm not here to make the case for him. i'm simply suggesting that yes, you can dismiss him with that one line. and by the way, as someone fully vaccinated i have a problem with his stance on that issue. but there's much more to his candidacy as peggy noonen pointed out today in her column and as mark hallperin talked about in his newsletter today. others are seeing what i'm seeing that he might have a moment, he might have a moment and whether he gets on that debate stage will be very interesting. one more quickly, if i have time and i think that i do. what do we have? i want someone better than biden, trump, desantis, and rfk

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