he's challenging joe biden for the democratic nomination for president and a new poll has him at 19%. i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. here's my conversation with

robert f. kennedy jr. robert, thank you so much for being here. president biden has a bust of your father in the oval office. when you see that, what do you think? >> i'm honored by it. you know, i have a lot of admiration for president biden for the service that he's given to our country. i've known him. he's been my friend, my close family friend for 40 years. you know, there's nothing personal about this campaign. i am not going to run a mean spirited campaign or a personal campaign against president biden. he and i just differ really dramatically on the issues like the war, like censorship, like the control of wall street and the big corporations of our federal government and the pharmaceutical companies, and also the use of fear as a governing tool. i think our country is headed in

a bad direction. that's why i'm running, but not because i have a lack of personal affection for president biden. >> is he too old to have a second term? >> you know, i don't think age should be a metric for us limiting presidential power. i mean, bernie sanders is 81. a lot of people would support him. so i think the only question we have when you get to a certain age is do you have the mental acuity! i am not going to judge president biden's mental acuity. i'll leave that to other people. >> i've just seen a poll that says you're at 19% among democrats in a race against president biden. at what point do you think he's obligated to debate you? i'm mindful of the fact that if it were a general election, the commission on presidential debates has a threshold of 15%.

>> i mean, i think there should be debates. i think particularly, michael, at this time in history there's so many americans who are worried about election integrity, who have lost faith in election integrity and feel like the whole system, including the election system, is rigged against them. there were riots by people on capitol hill because of that driving conviction. i think the political parties, both parties ought to be doing everything that they can to convince the american public that we really have a democracy in this country and that our politicians are talking to people, are doing retail politics, are engaging in debates and town halls. it's not just a rigged system where the candidates are chosen by the political party the way that was done in the soviet union. i'm hoping even if i had 5%, i think it's important to do

debates. that's a choice i don't have any control over. >> understood. but would you go so far as to say that he has an obligation to debate you, if you have a respectable showing in the polls, and 19% is respectable? >> i think he has an obligation to democracy to debate anyway. i would hope that he does that. you're a lawyer and i'm a lawyer. there's no legal obligation that the president has. i can't sue him for it. it's a decision by the party. i would hope that the party would treasure and value our democracy and would at least -- i think a lot of people are feeling like the shroud has been lifted off of democracy now and it's all kind of fake and it's all rigged. i think we need to be doing everything we can to persuade americans that democracy in this

country is real. >> i watched your announcement speech from boston, all two hours of it. >> i apologize. >> at about the 48 or 49 minute mark you said -- >> this is what happens when you censor somebody for 18 years. i've got a lot to talk about. >> who censored you and why? >> most recently, you know, the networks all censored me, including this network. most recently and, i think, most offensively, the white house was asking the social media sites to censor me. there were also attorneys general, i think, 13 democratic attorneys general who contacted

the social media sites and asked them specifically to censor me. because of the twitter files and because of these email dumps, we now have clear evidence that there were white house personnel who were ordering the social media companies to censor me, and it had nothing to do with misinformation. in fact, nobody's been able to show a single statement that i've ever made on my twitter or any social media that is factually inaccurate. it was because i w dissenting from government policies. we built this country to allow our citizens to complain about our public officials. that's, to me, a clear violation of the first amendment. >> let's go there. the "new york times" then reporting on your announcement said this, mr. kennedy is the latest in a history of fringe presidential aspirants from both parties who run to bring

attention to a cause or to themselves. do you embrace that label "fringe"? if not, what does fringe mean to you? >> well, i'm not running to bring attention to a particular cause. i'm running because i believe i'm going to win. i have a good enough chance of winning to endure all the hardships that a campaign imposes on me and my family. and i can tell you this, michael, because i know you're a big fan of my wife's, but if i had not convinced her that i can win this race, i would not be in it, because she's the ultimate boss. >> listen, i do love your wife. i'm team cheryl. having said that, she called you out on that anne frank reference. >> even in hitler germany, you could cross the alps into switzerland, you can hide in an attic like anne frank.

i visited in 1962 east germany with my father and met people who climbed the wall and escaped, so it was possible. many died doing it, but it was possible. today the mechanisms are being put in place that will make it so none of us can run and none of us can hide. >> you then apologized. can you and i agree that nazi or holocaust references are never appropriate, because then they diminish what truly transpired in the holocaust? >> well, first of all, in that case -- first of all, let me say i agree we have to be careful about how we invoke the holocaust. just on a theoretical or hypothetical basis, i don't know if you can have hard and fast rules about that. i grew up in a generation where right after world war ii where

everybody was saying never again. and the only way we make sure that kind of barbarrism doesn't appear again is if we're allowed to talk about it and recognize all the milestones of tyranny. that exercise may require us at some point and may be useful to invoke historical wrongs, including the holocaust, you know, the american native genocide, black slavery and the many atrocities in history. i want to say something about that case. in that case, and that's a good example of the censorship, i never compared the covid mandates or the covid response to the holocaust. that was a media canard. something the media made up and charged me with. i was making a completely different point about the emerging rise of ai, artificial intelligence, and surveillance technologies, which was creating

an infrastructure that in future totalitarian systems would be able to surveil us and intrude and control our lives in ways that had never happened in the past. >> i know, but you invoked -- >> let me just finish. >> you invoked anne frank. >> i invoked her not comparing the holocaust to the covid mandates. i wasn't doing that. that's what the media reported. that was not true. i ultimately, because of the damage that was happening to my family, and because i was living in a world where nothing i said was reported. so i was not allowed to defend myself. in fact, this is the first time i've ever been allowed to talk about it on tv. nobody would talk to me. nobody would invite me on and say, why did you say that? ultimately i had to apologize

for something i never said. >> i'm happy to have you here, because i want to have a conversation. i can tell already you'll have to come back so we can continue this. i need to get to this. this week a covid crisis group released a big report that cited our collective national incompetence. i'm sure you're familiar with it. i worry about our scientific preparedness for the next covid, whatever it might look like. i also worry about diminished faith in institutions. in your case, you're so suspect, disbelieving of the fda, the cdc. where will you go, if you were president, for scientific information? on whom will you rely? >> i'll rely on the same sources i rely on now, which is pubmed, the repository and the archives for peer-reviewed publication. listen, the cdc and fda, these

are the same agencies that brought us the opioid crisis. they told us that opioids were safe and effective and were good for us. now we have 56,000 young people dying every year, more every year than the 20-year vietnam war, because these agencies got their science wrong. they got it wrong because they're controlled by pharmaceutical companies. what we have to do -- in a democracy, unfortunately, we are required not to listen, not to simply take on blind faith the statements of authorities, whether they're military authorities or public health authorities. we have to do our own homework. blind faith in authority is a feature of religion. it's not of science. we are obligated to look at the science ourselves and make up our own minds. my uncle understood that. that's why he didn't bomb cuba during the bay of pigs. he didn't trust the experts. >> i want to do a lightning

round. you've got to give me a sound bite on three quick subjects. i hope you're ready. disney versus the state of florida, pick a side. >> i have no comment on that, i don't know enough about it. i've been totally on the sidelines on that. i'm not delving into it. >> subject two, trans sports participation? >> i think i'm against people participating in women's sports who are biologically male. i think women have worked too hard to develop women's sports over the past 30 years. i watched it happen and i don't think that's fair. >> this is subject three, final issue. i'm worried about our adolescents, our youth, the impact of social media.

i take note of the fact that the cdc -- i know you often question the cdc, but the cdc just released that the percentage of high school female students who seriously considered attempting suicide rose from 24.1% to about 30% between 2019 and 2021. do you see a causal connection between big tech and usage by our adolescents and the spike in mental health? >> i think the spike in mental health has something to do clearly with social media. i think there is a causal relationship clearly between the chemical exposures to children today. we have a chronic disease epidemic in this country. in effect, we've gone from 6% of our kids with chronic disease to 54% as of 2006. among those chronic diseases, and we know they're related, are chemical expose urs and

pharmaceutical drug exposures and issues like depression and anorexia, ocd, adhd and all these different neurological injuries. i think that is be the main thing we need to talk about and i will deal with as president, ending the chronic disease epidemic in this country. >> to the people who say why did you let him say that, why didn't you confront him with all the data, you would say what? >> show me the data. that's what i love. show me where i got it wrong. show me where i made a statement that is inaccurate. show me the science. >> robert kennedy, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me, michael. i want to set up this week's poll question by quoting what peggy noonan wrote in the "wall street journal." quote, robert f. kennedy jr. announced last week, this week

he hit 19% support among democratic voters. that's a lot, especially for a guy who's been labeled a nut. he's been a leader of the idea that childhood vaccines are connected to autism, but his larger general message would appeal to the edges of the left and right and blends into the general populist mood. corporations and the government are lying to you, playing you for a fool. i say, watch him, he's going to be a force this year. i want to know what you think. go to smerconish.com and answer this week's poll question. does robert f. kennedy jr. pose a threat to president biden's re-election? what are your thoughts? hit me up on social media. i'll respond to some during the course of the program. oh god, you're giving him a huge platform to spread his anti-vax nonsense. don't do it, michael. jeff, that was a very little part, if any, of what he just said. if you're into this, and i think

we all should be because i want to have the conversation, the stakes are high, go watch his two-hour announcement from boston two weeks ago. you can easily find it online. i'm not embracing, i'm not endorsing, i just want to know more. and he's got a much larger message than that which he's been characterized for. i think that's how i would respond. up ahead, in president biden's re-election announcement, there was a video. vice president kamala harris figured quite prominently. my guest says, this is thomas friedman, that with age now a bigger question for biden, kamala harris' 2024 role is key. as i just discussed with rfk junior, the cdc's latest numbers show teen depression and suicide are getting worse. legislators are finally recognizing the negative impact of social media and trying to con strain it. this doctor was warning about it years ago. she's back today to discuss her new book and what can be done.

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president biden launched his 2024 campaign this week and in his pre-tape highly produced video announcement, vice president kamala harris had a

very prominent role. of course he wants to remind us of the historic diverse choice that he made, but he also may be hoping to calm the worry voiced by many americans about his age. in a recent nbc news poll, 70% of adults said that biden should not run again, and asked if age was a factor in saying he shouldn't run, a total of 69% said yes. you'll remember in 1984, concern was voiced about ronald reagan running for re-election at age 73. at 80, biden is already the oldest president in history. if re-elected, he'd be sworn in at 82. at the end of a second term, he'd be 86. that means increased focus on vice president kamala harris. right now, her aggregate disapproval rating is currently at 54%. to date, she's not had much traction in the areas where she's been tasked as the number two, like the border and voting rights. she recently has been making appearances around other popular democratic causes such as infrastructure and abortion

rights. asked by cara swisher, former white house chief of staff ron klain said this. >> why hasn't she been able to shake the perception that she's bad at her job? i know sexism and racism are a huge problem, but that doesn't explain all of the bad press. >> sexism and racism are part of the problem, no question about it. i think she was not as well known in national politics before she became vice president. i think she just hasn't gotten the credit for all she's done. she's done a lot of very hard work and been very successful as vice president. hopefully during the campaign season, the american people get more of a chance to see her on the stump and get to know her a little better. >> my next guest recently wrote this column in the "new york times," why kamala harris matters so much in 2024. thomas friedman joins me now.

he is a three-time pulitzer prize winning "new york times" columnist and the author of seven best-selling books, including "the world is flat" and most recently "thank you for being late". thank you for coming back. you are very much for the re-election of president joe biden. in fact, that's what prompted you to write this piece, in part. >> first of all, thanks for having me. yes, the real point of my piece is there are in my view, we're at a critical juncture and three things cannot happen. israel cannot turn into hungary and authoritarian democracy. putin cannot win in ukraine. and donald j. trump must never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, be back in the white house. so that is my priority. that is my focus. so what i'm asking, what is the

best democratic ticket to win that election? to me, you need a ticket that appeals to the very forces that enabled democrats to do so well in the midterms, which were moderates, independents who looked at trump, looked at his agenda, and particularly the election denialism, and voted against virtually every election denier in the election. this is going to be a close election if it's trump versus biden. we need the center. we need the moderate and independents and white working class to come out for biden in enough numbers that he can win. this is code red. >> here's a paragraph in the piece that i circled. i'll read it aloud and put it on the screen. it's no secret that vice president harris has not elevated her stature in the last two, plus years. i don't know what the problem was, whether she was dealt an impossible set to deal with, is

in over her head, or is contending with a mix of sexism and racism. all i know is that doubts among voters about her ability to serve as president, which were significant enough for her to quit as a presidential candidate, have not gone away. i played the clip from the intro of cara swisher asking ron klain about this. his opinions seem to be buying into the idea that it's the sexism and racism. you don't seem to have a choice among these causes of what it would be. >> i don't know. i'm not an expert. for some voters, she comes off as inauthentic and she hasn't been able to overcome that. i'm sure the border issue and some of the things she's had to deal with. i don't know what the problem is. all i know is that when you have a president that's going to be 86 years old at the end of his second term, the question becomes much more important. normally people don't vote around the vice president, they

vote around the president. if trump is the republican candidate, and say he decides to ask nikki haley or tim scott to run with him, that could be a very formidable ticket that a lot of moderate and independent voters, who do not want trump to be president, could look at that ticket and plug their nose and vote for him again. that's my whole focus. i have nothing about the vice president. i wish her well. this is a really important moment. we need people who believe that trump must never be in the white house again. the democrats have to have the best ticket possible and one that will definitely appeal to moderates and independents who showed up for biden in enough numbers to really tip the midterm the right way. >> in the piece you argue that the president needs to deal with this head on. he needs to address it. have you thought about what does that actually look like? >> well, some people tell you

maybe he should consider a different vice president, someone like hakeem jeffries, who plays very well to the center. i'm always impressed every time i hear him speak. biden clearly does not want the go down that road. you aired his announcement video. maybe there's ways to help vice president harris establish herself more with centrists and independents. just to bet that the abortion issue will bring enough voters around and that there isn't a question of succession, i think is a very dangerous and reckless way to go into this next election. >> tom, i looked at the reader picks among the "new york times" reader responses. there's a consistent theme to a number of them, which is to say that the out here is the supreme court of the united states. >> for that, you would need a

supreme court justice to retire. >> true. you. >> you have to have an opening. if that were to happen, i think that's a very legitimate possibility. >> i think there's some political malpractice being committed on the part of the white house that relates to this. no doubt you saw the story about the president at the presser with the korean president reaching into his pocket, pulling out a question, calling on a reporter from the "l.a. times." i need to make very clear that there was not an apples to apples of what was in his pocket and what she then asked of him. nevertheless, it fosters this perception that he requires that level of assistance. >> i'm one of the few reporters who has had a chance to have lunch with the president by ourselves, the two of us. i was very impressed with his cognitive ability, his awareness on issues.

he can go deep. we were talking mostly about foreign policy. i'm not worried about that now, frankly, but i am concerned that six years from now, five years from now, that could be an issue. therefore, my point is the vice presidential choice in this election will matter more than ever. democrats have to have the right vice president going into this election. michael, this election will matter more than ever, for more years of trump in the white house, putin in ukraine, or israel going autocratic, and the whole world as you know it will be changed in a very bad way. donald trump must never, ever, ever, ever, ever be in the white house again. >> final thought, quickly if you don't mind. this is a sensitive subject. i've tried to handle it in an adult fashion in the same way

you've written about it. what kind of reaction did you get personally to addressing this matter? >> read the comments on the column. they were overwhelmingly supportive of the point i was raising. >> they were. it's true. stick around. i want to lean on a three-time pulitzer prize winner to respond to social media. i want to read it aloud. if anyone wants to watch kamala harris question a witness in a senate hearing, you would see why i think she is talented. sorry some have a biassed impression of her. she may not be popular, but so what? you would say what to robert on that, tom? >> the polls are the polls. i'm not saying she's not a competent and skilled person. the question is, does she connect with enough voters in the way that will be really decisive in this election? that's the point. >> thomas friedman, thank you for being here. >> pleasure. thank you. up ahead, back in 2017,

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jean twangy called it and called it early. and now everybody else is playing catch-up. this week a group of bipartisan senators unveiled a bill that would establish a national minimum age of 13 for social media use, calling it a common sense bipartisan approach to stop the suffering.

back in 2017, it was twangy, a psychologist who teaches at san diego state, who warned the world how social media had created a mental health crisis for young people. at the time, she was greeted with skepticism. in a provocative "atlantic" article called "have smartphones destroyed a generation" she made a revelatory connection that 2012 is when smartphones had hit the threshold of being used by the majority of americans and the year that facebook acquired instagram. that same time that same year it began a skyrocketing of rates of teen depression and suicide. she warned that igen, as she called them, was on the brink of the worst mental health crisis in decades, much of this deterioration can be traced to their phones, and the pandemic made things worse. the latest of many alarming statistics, the percentage of high school female students who seriously considered attempting

suicide rose from 24.9% in 2019 to 30% in 2021. those who made a suicide plan increased from 19.9% to 23%. suicide attempts rose from 11% to 13.3%. now, six years after twangy's initial findings alarmed legislators and school districts are trying to curb the dangers of teens going online. besides the bill in the senate, utah requiring consent from parents before minors join any social media platform. seattle public schools and the county in which i was born and raised, bucks county, pennsylvania, have both filed suit against the platform parent companies. the bucks county d.a. compared the effect of social media on kids to opioid manufacturers and distributors. now twangy has a new book called "generations, the real differences between gen z, millennials, gen x, boomers and and silence, and what they mean

for america's future. nice to have you back. congrats on the book. i'm a big fan of your work. let's remind people what you do. you have for 30 years studied generational differences? >> that's right, since i was an undergraduate. i'm a gen-xer and everybody was trying to figure out how we were different, but there was little actual data comparing, say, surveys. that's what i've done with this new book across all generations, across these enormous national surveys, trying to figure out, let's set aside the stereotypes, what are the actual differences between the generations when we go to them and ask. >> i remember when igen came out. you appeared with me a couple of times. i would push you, are we talking about correlation, are we talking about causation? you were always reluctant to speak in terms of causation.

in the new book, quote, in the years since, no other plausible culprit has emerged. so where are you now? >> yeah. we have so much more data now on the links between social media and depression than we did six years ago. so, for one thing, it's not just in the u.s. where we have these enormous increases in teen depression and anxiety and self-harm. it's around the world. so that helps us rule out u.s.-based explanations like school shootings, for example. we also have a lot more experimental data. that's where we can really show causation. some amazing studies have come out over the last six years showing, for example, when people cut back on their social media use, they're happier and less depressed. there was a study showing that as facebook rolled out across college campuses, the mental health of college students

suffered right after social media was introduced. so we really do have more of that evidence now for causation. >> is it possible that those most likely to be anxiety ridden or depressed are also the ones most eager to go online and it becomes self-perpetuating? >> that's probably playing somewhat of a role. it can be cyclical. both things are going on. that explanation doesn't work very well for explaining generational trends, for explaining why teen depression doubled between 2011 and 2019 even before the pandemic. but not a coincidence that was the same time when smartphones became common, social media became ubiquitous, the algorithms on social media became more sophisticated and kept teens on for longer.

that was by far the biggest change in teens' lives over that time period. it's not just that they started spending more time online, they also started spending less time with each other face to face and less time sleeping. technology was interfering with things that are good for mental health as well. you really can't say it's depression causing this, because then you would have to say, okay, teens became depressed for a completely unknown reason and that's why they bought smartphones and went on social media. that doesn't work for the generational trends. >> there is the seattle litigation and more, the county where i was born and raised with more litigation, utah taking a bold step in this regard. i had the state senator who sponsored that here a few weeks ago. this week bipartisan senators are stepping forward and saying 13 has got to be the age. is that enough? is there something else that needs to be done? >> social media is so unregulated right now. these platforms were not

designed for children. they weren't even designed for teens. they were designed for adults. so we know from a lot of data that that link between social media use and depression is larger for children and younger teens. the younger you are, the bigger that link is between spending a lot of time on social media and being depressed. that's where we need to think about regulation first. so that bill is 13. well, even better, how about 16? let's get social media out of middle schools. that is such a difficult time for kids already. and then putting social media on top of that -- i mean, think about as an adult how hard it is to put down the phone, how hard it is to put down social media, how difficult it is when you don't get the likes or you get negative comments.

then imagine being 12 or 14 or 15 and dealing with that. >> dr. twangy, quick final thought. you, along with others, are putting together a hell of a databank on this. it's totally transparent. people can go and get this information themselves. >> yeah. we put together several google docs on this. you can read the abstracts of the studies, see some of the graphs. it's open to commentary for academics. it's all there. then, of course, a lot of it's in the new book as well. check it out. see for yourself. >> the book's called "generations." good luck. thank you for being here. can't think of a more important subject. >> thank you very much. still to come, your best and worst social media comments. i want to remind you, go to smerconish.com. when you get there, register for the free daily newsletter. you'll love it. i'm asking, does robert f.

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