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-- are you losing hope in any way? >> no, not at all. austin is a very strong willed man and i know he has -- you know, he has dreams that he still wants to pursue. and i've never had any doubt that he will walk free, it's just a matter of time. >> the last seconds that we have, what would you want the world to know about your son austin? >> i wish everyone could know at least as much as president biden talked about on saturday night. i thought we met with him last year, and i thought the way he described austin was truly beautiful. i just want everyone to know that. >> debra tice, thanks for joining us. and we all hope for austin's safe return. >> thank you, thank you abby. >> cnn tonight with alison camerota starting now.
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hey, alison. >> hello, good. evening i'm alison camerota. a manhunt is underway for the mass shooting in texas, including 44-year-old. boy -- shaw stop shooting his rifle next to their house. the noise was keeping their baby awake. but instead of simply arguing with them, he shot and killed five of his neighbors. there's also the 79-year-old illinois man who fatally shot his neighbor for using a leaf blower in his own driveway. and the 29-year-old in texas who shot and killed a guy for opposing as a ballet parking attendant. what used to be screaming matches are fistfights have become fatal shootings. tonight, our panel offers their explanations for why. plus, the suicide of a 17 year old students at an elite boarding school is forcing the school to admit the horrible mistakes they made when it came to bullying. and how they felt, quote, tragically shorten protecting this promising young man. but this case tells us about
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today's version of bullying. and how many of you out there are members of the tests army, like me? and know that paul stanley was made for loving you? ♪ ♪ ♪ >> yes he was, well now kisses paul stanley, someone who knows a lot about makeup, he dazzled us in the high boots. he shares his thoughts on gender identities, and he seems upset. we have a lot to discuss. but we start with the serious topic of the man hunt of the suspect in the texas massacre five people, including a nine-year-old child. he's considered armed and dangerous. more than two edge and 50 law enforcement officers are on the hunt for him tonight. >> can you tell us what led up to that shooting, why they called about a harassment?
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>> from my understanding, the victims, they came over to the fence and said, hey, do you might not shooting in the yard, we have a young baby that's trying to go to sleep. and he had been drinking and he said, i'll do what i want to in my house. >> a source from immigration and enforcement said francisco oropeza entered the u.s. illegally. here's this wanted photo, right, now please take a close look at it. he was apparently deported at least four times prior to the shooting. let's bring in our panel. we have republican the carter, john avlon, insider columnist linette lopez, and joining us is scott jennings who worked in the george w. bush white house. every aspect of this story, lead, is awful. everything he -- you know, he kills five members of his neighbors, a family, including a nine-year-old boy. it was departed four times.
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he was convicted in texas in 2012 of drunk driving. he's escaped probably back to mexico. but it's awful on every level. your thoughts? >> it's awful on every level and this becomes a case study on all the different issues that americans are concerned about right now from gun control to immigration across the board. gun control is one of the things joe biden is reforming the lease we'll. on only 30% of americans are satisfied with gun control laws. it's something we all agree, on 63% favor stronger gun laws. >> how is it his problem? it's congresses issue? >> it is congress's issue, but the blaming it on him. he had control of the executive branch and yet congress for two years, and something could've happened. beforehand. >> something did happen, i was there when it did, it was the bipartisan safer communities act which was the most roughest set of gun reforms that we've seen and at least a generation of this country. and still, to the point that lee just made, it didn't go far enough.
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you've got republicans who won't provide a filibuster proof majority in the united states senate to pass and assault weapons ban which over 60% of americans support, or pass universal background checks which depending on the pull up from anywhere from 70 to 80% of americans support. we have got reforms that we have yet to see progress, on but let's be clear, that's because of republican obstruction. i think most americans, even republicans know that. >> mondaire, what about the border aspect of this? what about the fact that this guy has been supposedly deported for other times, the fact that was convicted of drunk driving. but about? that does -- scream and force border more than that? >> listen, it's a terrible issue, at this moment, not just for the country, obviously, there is a human aspect to the story that people who died, our heart should all go out -- should all be going out to them. it speaks to the need for comprehensive immigration reform, and get tougher on people who have been committing crimes, who have crossed the
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border. i don't know who's responsible for this guy crossing the board on four different occasions, apparently, but anyone who is responsible for that should be fired. >> scott, go ahead. >> hold on, hold on. i'm sorry, your former united states congressman and you're not familiar with who is responsible for enforcing the borders of the united states of america? this is a story about illegal immigration. this man broke our laws repeatedly. over a long period of time. he broke the immigration laws, then he broke laws while he was here and no one seemed -- i don't know who's responsible for this. >> scott, what do you think is the answer? >> the government -- enforce the laws! this is an illegal immigration story, and no one wants to say it. >> they, did they convicted him and sent him out of the country. that is enforcing the laws. >> and where did he shoot these people? back in the united states. are you telling me this is working? this is a total failure. a failure. >> i agree, scott.
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we all agree. this is a total failure. but i'm not sure how the -- our border is supposed to be patrolled at every square inch for someone who desperately want to keep coming in, who's obviously a criminal from coming in. john? >> this example is evidence of the accusations of folks who say there's a reason -- revolving door. we clearly have to do a better job, particularly when it comes to people who have committed any kind of crime. and mondays right about ultimately the fact you need a comprehensive immigration policy in this country. that's a central point in this. but this isn't just an immigration story, this is a gun violence story, this is part of a larger series of mass shootings that we've seen where people are asked and reasonable way by neighbors to be neighborly and they respond with mass shootings. >> and i do want to get to that. and i do want to get to that, we will in a moment. but first i want to -- hear >> where did this come look at a gun? do we just lead criminals by
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guns in this country whenever they want to, after they've crossed the border multiple times breaking the law, after they've been arrested for drunk driving in this country, we just let them buy guns? is that -- that seems like a problem. that seems even worse than a problem than letting someone over the border because at least at that point you can arrest them and multiple people are dead. it seems more of a problem that a criminal can get a gun, no questions asked, and then turn to his neighbors and shoot, shoot, shoot as though that's what he believes is entitled to do in this country. >> congressman, i fell to see how a comprehensive immigration reform could solve this. >> it's a great question. first of, all i think you have the proper deployment of resources at this point that would allow people to more effectively police those who are crossing illegally instead of trying to account for, yes, many thousands of people who are doing so and trying to figure out where to prioritize your resources. when you have fewer people crossing the border illegally because of comprehensive --
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because we have a comprehensive immigration strategy in place, then you can focus on individuals like this and actually deploy -- dip wart criminals permanently across the border. >> lee, let's talk about the gun aspect of this. because it's not just this, in the past two weeks, we've had been all these examples of what used to -- but would've been resolved, or maybe not resolved, but at least fought out with a shouting match or fistfight. now, someone's shot for. it you pull into the wrong driveway, you open the wrong door in a mall parking lot, your shot. we have so many examples. a 70 -- over a leaf blower. how do you explain this? and do you think it is people with a hair trigger temper having easy access to guns? >> i think more than half of republicans right now things need to be stronger gun laws. this is an issue that we should be able to get something done on, and -- it needs to be addressed. the other problem right now is there's a very different view
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of the world between republicans and democrats. republicans right now are much more likely to think that crime is on the rise. in fact, since -- over the last three years, republicans now say it 73% worse than it was before. democrats say it's only 5% brace. we're living in two different worlds. i think republicans in many ways are more afraid than they've ever been, so they want their guns, they want to be able to protect themselves. and that's how they feel. now, we have to figure out a way to address it, obviously it's on the rise, and all of this is unacceptable. no one's going to say it's okay, what's going on here. >> lee, what you're saying here is 63 3% of republicans want there to be tougher gun laws, and we know there was bipartisan legislation, people can agree on -- their great, but obviously, guns are an issue. that had supermajority support for reasonable reforms have gotten blocked every step of the way since sandy hook. so it's great, if you say 63% of republicans want tougher gun laws, but you know they're 0% chance that republicans will
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support that in senate in congress. and i think it's legitimate, it can be a politicized issue, but let's be real about it. if you say 63% of republicans support, that then great, we will have bipartisan support for reasonable gun reforms starting tomorrow, and we all know there's a snow -- smaller chance of that happening. >> i want to make a point on the crime thing, just because two people, two different groups of folks are living in a different world, doesn't mean that it's incumbent upon people to tell them the truth, so we can reach consensus on what's reality. it's absolutely the case that there are several cities in this country that crime has risen over the last several years. in new york city for example, it happens to be less this year than it was the year before. but when you look at the past 30 years, for example, crime is significantly lower overall than it was in the 90s, and early 90s for example, late 80s. i think it's important. to when i hear things that republicans are more afraid than ever before, that worries me because i mean someone's lie. >> it's intentional. it's definitely intentional. the gun problem that we have is
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intentional because fear sells guns and people want to have guns. brendan in this problem by accident. >> scott, go ahead. >> look, you know who commits violent crimes, people who commit violent crimes. one of the biggest problems we have in this country is not keeping violent people in jail for a very, very, very long time. and just the other, day in washington, d.c., the chief of police was talking about on the arrest murder suspects, those people on average have been arrested eight, nine, ten times. violent people commit other violent actions. and as a society were willing to put them in jail and keep them, there i think we're gonna continue to see violent crimes like this. >> some of these are one of. some of these, for instance -- who was shot by an older gentlemen through the door of his front door because ralph rang the doorbell, black guy had not committed gun violence before. he was scared and shot someone because he rang the doorbell. >> i think we've got a
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bifurcated the conversation a little bit. there's a racing incident of people who normally would've settled a disagreement because they're angry or unhinged at that moment that would've been a screaming match that is turning into gun violence. that's about massive access, unprecedented access to firearms and an environment of fear. scott's right, though the amounts of -- bail reform and all those associated issues. mondaire is right that crime slower than it was in the early 90s, but it's higher than it was a decade ago for a sustained period of time. that's what's leading to those perceptions. >> should we be making it easy for biden criminals, people that we've already described as violent, to give access to weapons of war and firearms generally? that seems dumb and i don't see why that's not part of the analysis that we have. >> thank you very, much more obviously not gonna solve this tonight. but i appreciate all your infant perspectives. next, what does it mean to be bullied? if you think it's about what we imagine, as getting slander to
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the locker, shoved on the playground, it's not anymore, of course. a 17 year old died by suicide after his school says he was the victim of bullying. this was cruel behavior on a much larger scale. huge public humiliation. what can we do now to protect our kids? weeds... they have you surrounded. take your lawn back with scotts turf builder triple action! gets three jobs done at once - kills weed prevents crabgrass. and keeps it growing strong. get a bag of scotts triple action today, it's guaranteed. feed your lawn. feedt. the first time you connected your godaddy website and your store was also the first time you realized... well, we can do anything. cheesecake cookies? the chookie! manage all your sales from one place with a partner that always puts you first. (we did it) start today at godaddy.com
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jersey, his school is admitting the many mistakes they made. they say that they, quote, felt tragically short of protecting your safety. jack reed died on april 30th 2022 at lawrenceville, the prestigious boarding school. the school admitted that a year before suicide, reed had been a target of bullying and other forms of harassment based on false rumors. the school took the time to investigate the rumors, they found them to be false but never announced their findings publicly. i am back now with our panel we are also joined by doctor can -- an expert on resilience and the author of the real rules of life. this is incredible on many levels because this school, orangeville, has come forward to admit their mistakes. after schools don't do that and this one, it sounds like it was part of a settlement reached with their parents, i do not know if they would've done this on their own, but nevertheless they were now saying the many ways in which they failed the student. here's part of their statement.
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lawrence's top priority is the physical, emotional, and safety of our students. we recognize that in jackson we felt tragically short of these expectations. they did not release the findings that it was a false rumor that was circulating to the student body. that is unthinkable. >> it is disgusting in part because we know that the internet is a real place and that it is a place full of passwords and secret places that kids know about that adults don't know about. and so kids can go that place and be bullied without any adult knowing what is going on. the fact that even investigated it is, i guess good. but the fact that this kid was fat boarding school. there is no parent to protect you there, your parents are not there to look through your backpack and check your homework and all that stuff -- >> you rely on the school. >> you rely on the school. the kid was alone.
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on the internet he was alone and cornered by his classmates, it is really, really upsetting. >> doctor, we are talking in our show meeting about how, back in the day, when we are in school you could be bullied a school but then he went home and it was a safe haven. now, because of the internet, there isn't a safe haven. you are not safe in your dorm room or at home. so how do you define bullying now? >> you know, the first order of business is to tell bill and elizabeth read that my heart goes out to them and that i love what they are doing to honor their son by stepping forward and calling attention with cnn's help here and our panels help to what we can do and what we need to understand about what kids are going through. and what bullying is today, because it has changed as you have said allison. with the internet, a minute ago we were talking about guns, how guns amplify emotions. you know an emotion that normally would have been somebody getting very angry,
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cussing at somebody else, and trying to assassinate their character. with a gun in your hand, that is amplified 1000 times. with the internet as a resource for spreading misinformation, for conspiracy, false accusations, a child can be devastated and children are being devastated and we need to know and think about what we need to do about that besides opening those lines of communication to our kids when they are in a state of despair and giving them at least one safe place to say i'm in pain. >> john, i was reading that one of the enhancers of suicidal ideation's public humiliation. public humiliation can tip is somebody who is depressed, somebody who is a struggling -- the internet is one big public humiliation cesspool if you're on the receiving end of bullying like this. >> especially if you have not
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developed a thick skin. everything about this story is heartbreaking. but i think the school does, whatever the circumstances were, coming forward, admitting failings, and saying that you're going to implementable up since learned. it is cold comfort for the parents, but a step forward for the community. what's so heartbreaking years at you've got a kid who, on the surface, may seems like he had it all going for him. >> actually a student leader among other students. >> president of his dormitory. but was falsely accused of sexual assault. that rumor percolated online and that undercut his confidence, apparently consistently. that kind of cruelty, a form of bullying that does not look traditionally, but the failure of the school to call out the investigation, to clear his name, that is where part of this tragedy occurs. it just reminds people, do not judge people by what they seem to be. that line about treat everyone
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with kindness because everyone is carrying an enormous burden. the final reminder, which is the ultimate tragedy of permanent solutions to temporary problems. >> doctor, so many schools say that they have and a bullying programs. what do they look like and what to the most effective ones look like? >> it is teaching kids about this thing called a status insecurity. how important is status in a time child's life? it is everything. how they appear, whether they fit in, they are in that bridge time of life between childhood and experimenting, taking the test drive into adult lives. status is everything. when they look around, what do they? see how long do they have to turn on the television to see somebody assassinating somebody else's character. somebody creating stories. so what sanctioned in the adult world now filters down and what does a school do?
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he school will try to teach kids kindness. but we are teaching kids in preschool. here's the difference between kindness and mean-spiritedness. he had, those things are so pervasive and are so sanctioned that we are fighting a huge battle. >> your thoughts? >> this is something that is so tragic that when you look at the numbers, more than half of high school age students have experienced cyberbullying themselves. a third of them say they've experienced at least five incidents or more. this icris. this is a mental health crisis on top of all of this and it is amplified by social media. the fact that people are putting information out there that we do not understand about our kids is absolutely unacceptable. the idea, when you read the story about this child, he went home at christmas time and said to his father, is it ever going to stop? is it ever going to stop, dad? are they ever going to believe that he didn't do it? and they knew that he didn't and they did not clear's name.
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but this is happening all over the place. this is one story that is getting a lot of attention. thankfully because of this child's parents who are really doing a lot of work to make sure that we are all aware. but more needs to be done, there is no excuse for us to allow this to happen to our kids. >> we will have a few seconds left, moderate your thoughts? >> it looks like the school was more interested in protecting it self from the possibility that it may have a rapist as a student, then protecting the student once it became clear that those allegations were false. it is just horrifying. my heart broke reading the story, i cannot imagine what it feels like to be the parents of the situation. i'm glad that when i was in high school that we didn't have some of these social media applications to further disseminate these lies. kids are going through a lot right now in the high school and elementary school context and i just think that stuff like that makes it easier to get bullied. >> so, to being a teenager is hard enough. thank you, all thank you dr.. we really appreciate your expertise. if you or somebody that he knows having suicidal thoughts
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the godfather of artificial intelligence is trying to sound the alarm about his invention. in fact, he is leaving his job at google after more than a decade so that he can speak out about the dangers of this technology. his name is jeffrey hinton and he was instrumental in inventing neural networks, that is the technology that serves as the technology for air platforms that we know today like a chatgpt or google's part. he's concerned about artificial intelligence break down into three big categories. first, misinformation. second, upending this job market, and third, a legitimate threat to humanity. that sounds important, let's get my panel.
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john, basically he is saying that he created a frankenstein monster. we do not know what it is capable of doing and he, along with many other leaders are begging us to pump the brakes. and we are not doing it, we are not following it. >> as usual, government is a slow reactor because technology moves so fast and legislation move so slow. but one industry is begging, let alone the guy who started a lot of the stuff, this is the scene in a movie where the guy who the monster says we have got a problem. some extent, a.i. is all we should be talking about. if you look back in the rearview mirror of history that is going to be the thing that happened in the first or second quarter of this, year is that a i start to take off in a massive way. when people say regulated, do not trust sanders or congressman, don't trust -- powered by the federal government pump the brakes because this thing is the stabilizing impacts and revolutionary impacts both good and bad that we can barely imagine now. >> destabilizing impacts sure,
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but it is not like silicon valley instigating about. it >> they are rushing forward because of the quarterly earnings. they just had a really tough year last year, a lot of companies got their butts kicked and so it is now time for silicon valley to say we have got this new trick, so everybody go -- >> if you had reasonable regulations that would level of playing fields. but instead they're saying this is the wild west, we are going to grab all we can. >> but who is? we >> work through these 1000 tech leaders who begged the creators of a.i. to pump the brakes? >> these people have fired their entire ethical a.i. teams. they do not want to put up the money so they can see what a ions doing in the background. all the stuff costs money. silicon valley would rather spend that money marketing this tool, to -- as fast as possible, to make as much money as possible. so, do they want to do it
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safely? no. >> what he said was that everything was going fine in till being released their chat. that ended up accelerating everything and everything got more careless. when you look at the polling on this, not to go back to the numbers all the time, that's what i have to do. the more people know about i, i'd more likely they are to say it should be regulated. 70 cent of americans say that it should be regulated. 80% are very familiar it so it should be regulated, that's a big difference. the problem is that 60% of americans do not have faith that this government knows enough to do something about it. >> i understand, that because we've talked about this before. some people in government are older than people who understand -- >> is that problem and government? >> and they do not know how to regulate this, let's be honest. >> as i watch the supreme court take on a case today that could get the administration, i was not clear that creating something equivalent to the -- congress needs to do it itself and we need better people in
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congress, people who are more up to speed on these issues, who are more intelligent, spent staffed by -- >> we don't have time, tiktok is taking over. >> we've gotta start somewhere. as someone whose favorite movie's judgment day, i am concerned about these machines becoming self aware and taking over. you know i love, but i'm also quite serious about it because i do not think that we know the implications. >> people were making them don't know the implications. >> he is trying to warn, the city is trying to sound the alarm. but i hear what you're saying, we need better people in congress. that's two years away, what can happen today to pump the brakes here? >> prevailing upon private industry to self regulate. you asked the question and i don't like the answer, but it's the most realistic one. >> silicon valley is known about its caring for social impacts. >> everyone is afraid that -- >> they can, but they do not want to.
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it is a collective action problem. >> it's also a global problem, because if we cannot take care of it here, we cannot just say that we are going to stop here and we are going to do nothing. what's gonna happen in china and russia when people have advances in technology to? >> do we trust the chinese and the russians with technology? no. what we are already cutting off to our enemies that we do not like anyways. but the point is silicon valley is driving this bus, they are the ones who should pump the brakes, and they should look at us and break everything like that with social media, and then say oh no, it's broken. >> there can be bipartisan support for this if there's collective. well but look, going back to a series of tubes, it would be better to actually put together an fda style panel. but you've raised a profound point about some of the implications. >> thank you, all i'm not sure i feel better. >> be sure to tune in at one of the. our summer favorite reporters
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♪ ♪ ♪ >> yes that is because performing starter, part of the soundtrack of my adolescents. but now guitarist and singer paul stanley is jumping in the culture wars about kids and gender identity. he posted a message on social
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media titled my thoughts on what i am seeing. he says, quote, there is a big difference between teaching acceptance and normalizing and even encouraging participation in the lifestyle that confuses young children into confusing their sexual identification as some sort of game, and then parents allow, in some cases allow it. there are individuals who, as adults, may decide reassignment is there needed choice. but turning this into a game or parents normalizing it as some kind of alternative or believing that, because a little boy likes to play dress up in his sisters clothes or a girl and her brothers, we should lead them further down the path of the innocence of what they are doing. there's a lot to talk about their, or my panel is back. finally john, my area of expertise comes into play on the show. i don't mean transgender, i mean. because >> i'm glad you're feeling this vindication, bringing you back to the years on the shore. i would like to think of you as a punk rock girl.
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>> kiss started it, was the gateway drug. >> it is a gateway drug. my point is that paul stanley knows a thing or two about trying on different identities, for sure. platform heels and bedazzled troops. they were aggressively hetero sexual. however, they were trying on different persona's for size. so, in some ways i take his point about what he is saying that if somebody is trying on things for size, let's not jump to the most extreme. a fair point. but i also do not think, he is worried about something that is not happening. i do not know any parents who are rushing in their kids to gender reassignment surgery. i think he can exhale. i do not think that parents are rushing their kids -- >> there is evidence in certain states and places that more kids are going in different directions than other places. it is becoming socially
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acceptable in groups. >> like where? >> california, there is a larger number. i'm not suggesting in any way shape or form that we should not embrace, love, and except people. i think it is important, the bottom line is that that is the most important. we want people to feel loved and accepted for who they are. on the other, hand when you are thinking about children who are under the age of 18 they are not allowed to get a tattoo. you know a lot of vote, you cannot get a beer, but you can get agenda reassignment and that is concerning. i should see why it should be a last resort. >> those things are cosmetic, and what we are talking about, gender reassignment surgery, hormone treatment, this is all medical advice, consultation, and deep thinking by the parent. but there is a ton of research behind those. this is not something that people do lightly, they are not waking up one day and saying i want to let my kid get gender reassignment. it is deliberative, and medically informed, and it is already a tremendously emotional decision. so to have somebody like those guys say, based on what i have
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been seeing, where have you've been seeing? have you been participating in the conversation that i just described? no, you are reading some blog that is not fact checked and then you are coming to conclusions and using your platform to make, frankly, the environment more dangerous for these kids. >> he's in engaging in that large-scale national bullying campaign against transgender people that a lot of people in this country are engaging in. >> hold on. is he trying to bully them, or as you say, he's not interacting with them. so he's scared of what he is seeing, a lot of this is fear based, on say, tucker of old show. and he is worried that this is happening. when in fact if you look at the numbers, it is such a fraction -- >> tiny. >> a tiny, tiny fraction of adolescents and teenagers. by the way, if they get to the point of reassignment they have gone through so much with their parents by that point. i know from having friends who have gone through this, this is not a snap decision.
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>> famous people and people yelling at them on the internet just feels like bullying. they are vulnerable, small number of people and again, conflating sexuality with gender norms. kiss was aggressively heterosexual, but they were playing with their sexuality. they should understand that. a little boy dressing up as a girl, he might be a straight a little boy or a gay little boy, it is unclear. but masculinity is not about how you dress or any of this. it is confusing that i have to explain this to kiss. >> this is clearly been a magnet for panic. it is demonizing a group of people who are very small and without much political power in many places. we can also have a conversation about the fact that this is medically a new frontier, so to speak. the economist had a great cover story i recommend called america's misguided -- maybe we should pump the brakes
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when it comes to irreversible treatments. that conversation can be had without accusing somebody of being a trans fold. i think what is even more inexcusable is the way that this has been politicized to demonize a community, that does not have a lot of political power and we all need to support the principles of self drip termination by adults and compassion. >> i do not think that paul stanley is demonizing trans kids, i think he is scared by whatever he has seen, as you say, and he is saying that i hope that parents are not rushing to do this and again they are not. >> i will say that he is diminishing their experience. there's something called gender dysphoria, among other things, that people are actually experiencing. -- in the same way that they would not substitute their own judgment for an oncologist treating cancer or a psychiatrist treating any kind of human experience, whether it is rioters at the economist or wall street journal or fox or anywhere else, substitute their own scientifically uninformed
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and medically judgment for the actual experts to advise on it. >> i would not lump the economist in with partisan outlets like this. read the piece, it is very much about these diagnoses are increasing dramatically. we do not have all the facts, europe is coming to a different conclusion that america, and so you want to take that into account when it comes to irreversible roots procedures on minors. >> and we just did. thank you very much, friends we appreciate that. we have news on extreme weather tonight. dozens of cars of crashed on a major, highway multiple people dead because of this dust storm. we are going to go to the cnn weather center for an explanation about how this happened right after this. new pronamel active shield acactively shields the enamel to defend against erososion and cavities. i ththink that this product is a gamechchanger for my patients- it really works. ♪
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a tragic scene in central illinois. a dust storm led to a series of pileups on interstate 55 as you can see, involving dozens of passenger and commercial vehicles. two semi trucks caught fire. police report at least six people were killed and more than 30 injured. they say the dust storm was caused by excessive winds, blowing dirt from newly-plowed field near the highway which led to zero visibility for drivers. let's bring in cnn's meteorologist chad myers. chad, describe how exactly this happened. >> this is what happens in the spring. when a farmer taste his disk and turns over the land that was follow all winter. now all the sudden you have the dry dirt from below, now up on top all crumbled up. so the wind that we had around this low pressure, right around the great lakes was around 45
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miles per hour today. there is rain here, but there is not rain where the crashes were occurring, or the dust storm was occurring. now the winds are down to about 20, about 20 miles per hour. but tomorrow afternoon the same thing could occur again, winds are going to be 45 miles per hour one more time. so, let's get to this. this is very much the heart of corn country. here is chicago, all the way through illinois, here is springfield. i 55 coming down south of springfield. this is where it occurred. what do we see here? concrete, no. we see dirt, farmland, fields, farmers in doing farming things especially now at the beginning of may. telling that soil, telling that dirt over, making it crumbly. all of a sudden you have so much exposed dirt, so much exposed dust, the wind came across those farm fields and right here on to i 55 where all of that occurred earlier today. the winds are coming across the field, picking up the dirt,
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hi everyone. thank you for tuning into this hour or we bring you tomorrow's news tonight. we have our great lineup of reporters to share those groups. with me, lauren fox, danny freeman, omar -- and fresh from red carpeted duty at the white house correspondents dinner, he is
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still drunk with power, carrie. i cannot wait to see videos of that, but we'll save that for a moment. lauren, i'll start with you. the country could be out of money at one month from now, treasury secretary janet yellen said this letter to congress today that the u.s. will default on its debt on june 1st, that is the estimate, exactly one month from now. you are here to fill us in on all the details. now what? >> that is the big question right now. this was a big surprise coming from yellin today saying that this was going to happen as soon as june 1st. that is because the estimates had been a wide window of the entire summer, where the default could potentially be happening. now we know that congress has a deadline, essentially a month to figure this out which is why you are starting to see some action that you did not see for the last 90 days. that is about how long it has been since mccarthy and the president sat down in a room to talk about this issue. now we expect that they are going to meet on

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