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there in virginia, the officer was conducting a routine traffic stop, when it bmw lost control and flew across the highway. the driver, a 17 year old, was going at 120 miles per hour. miraculously, there were no major injuries. and the teenager has been charged with reckless driving. thank you for joining us here on cnn, cnn tonight with alison camerota is starting right now. hey, alison. >> great to see you, thanks so much, good evening, everyone. i'm alison camerota, we'll come to cnn tonight. breaking news, the suspect in the massacre of five people in texas, including a nine-year-old boy, has been captured. we expect an fbi press conference at any moment, francisco oropesa was a rescue tonight in the town called cut and shoot, texas. that's around 17 miles from the scene of the killings. let's go right to ed lavandera, he's live for us in cleveland, texas, the scene of the killings. what do we know, ed? >> hey, alison.
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the address that we have, where this arrest took place tonight, is within ten miles of this scene here, where the murders took place, four nights ago. francisco oropesa has been booked into the montgomery county jail, which is the neighboring county where we are. he is being held tonight on a 5 million-dollar bond. law enforcement sources telling our josh campbell, he was found in a home there, hiding in a closet. we are expecting law enforcement officers they are just now starting to gather. we will talk here as they start to make their way to the press conference here that is expected to begin any second. hopefully, get more details as to when this could happen, let's listen in to, this is the public information officer for the fbi. he's helping out the photographers here at the scene, the fbi special agent in charge the county sheriff is also over
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there in the wings. they'll be making their way over here shortly. this is a man hunt that has had more than 250 officers combing through the region. there were many people, residents in the neighborhood, who told us, they were beginning to suspect that perhaps this suspect had not made it very far from the crime scene. since this happened on friday night, alison. a great deal of movement here, we are told that all of this unfolded rather quickly throughout the evening here. . ,,,,. there were told by special agent be making a comment, and also that sheriff will be making a comment. and taking some questions. we're hoping that we can be able to expand on exactly what has happened here. our photographer may zoom in on the scene here, you can see the law enforcement. certain make their way over here, alison.
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>> i don't know if you can hear me, ed. can you tell us how the neighborhood is feeling? i can imagine the huge sigh of relief. >> yes, as it as we heard the news that this had happened, i reached out to two, one of the survivors and a couple of the family members of survivors that were in inside the home. you can imagine, they were incredibly ecstatic, one of them said, we are so happy. what they were doing initially, watching some of the video that was captured by a resident. and it shows the arrest of francisco oropesa, they were frantically looking at this video, trying to see and confirmed that it was indeed him. they were trying to remember that tattoos that they had remembered seeing on their neighbor, and comparing notes about whether or not this was indeed the suspect that they have been hoping would be caught here within the last four days. that's the kind of emotion and rollercoaster they've been through over the last couple of hours.
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initially, when i talk to them, they had not been told by law enforcement that this arrest had taken place. i believe that that has now happened. i think law enforcement here will be able to expand on that. and confirm whether or not those conversations have happened. i suspect, they have. obviously, a great deal of emotion for those family members who have been through so much in the last four days. i'm gonna step out of the way here, alison, so you can start seeing them and listen in. >> i want you to introduce sheriff -- with the sheriff's office. >> can you talk really loud? >> good evening. sheriff -- with the county sheriff's office. with great news. the suspect is in custody. i have just left montgomery county jail. where he was taken. he has been magistrate id.
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he now will be taken to my jail. where his new residents will be. i would like to thank the men behind me, and the women behind me. they're not women here right now, everybody played a very, very integral part in the arrest and capture of this coward. everybody behind me has worked tirelessly. i know that there are several people, at least 225 plus officers, and at this scene, not to include the millions of people, thanks to the media, y'all push the message out, we've had calls from wyoming, florida, south texas, north
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texas, oklahoma, maryland, and those are just a few of the places. we were here, they were there. bottom line is, we now have this man in custody. he was caught, hiding. in a closet. underneath some laundry. they effectively made the arrest, he is uninjured. he is currently being taken to my facility in cold springs. thank you. >> could you tell us how you guys were able to find him, what clues led you to him? >> it was a multi jurisdictional operation, to say the least. somebody got a tip, dps cid u.s. marshals fbi we had a tag team. they all meandered over there,
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and found that tip to be true. >> what is the relative's home? did they know where he was? >> that's unknown to me, maybe one of these guys behind me can speak to the actual information on how he was captured. >> what is your message to the family members, the surviving family members, of those people who were killed in this attack? >> well, they can rest easy no. he is behind bars, he will live out his life behind bars. for killing those five. >> guys, we have five more questions afterwards, sheriff, -- a sick >> this isn't a sick. >> good evening, sheriff capers. my name is jimmy paul, i'm assistant special agent in charge of the fbi houston division. thanks for having me, so, just wanted to say, first and foremost, the victims and their families are in the forefront of our minds. we are extremely delighted that
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the suspect was captured. the tip for the suspect's location came into the fbi's tip line. we just want to thank the person who had the courage and bravery to call in the suspect's location. >> special agent -- with fox news. do you know if this individual will be facing federal charges? >> currently, it's an ongoing investigation. he is being charged by the county sheriff's office. >> what is the connection to the person -- >> it's ongoing investigation, i can't comment on that. >> didn't give any indication -- what was his demeanor when he was apprehended? was he agitated, was he tired? >> guys, we're gonna let him get through his statement, u.s. marshals and efforts will take questions. >> thank you. i just wanted to thank the person who had the courage to call in the tip, and also, i'd like to thank the many fbi personnel and local law enforcement agencies who work
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nonstop to bring this person to justice. to bring a sense of justice to the victims, and also, a sense of security to the community of this area, and it can't community. this is basically what we do we show up we bring the adequate resources. and then we don't let up. we always said it's not a matter of if, a matter of when the suspect is gonna be caught. we are extremely glad that today was the win. at this time, i'd like to turn it over to the u.s. marshals service representing -- . >> good evening, my name is joe -- i'm a supervisor deputy me u.s. marshal. i oversee the gulf coast violent offenders and fugitive task force here in houston, texas. first, i want to say, this was an atrocious crime that devastated his community. and this country. we received a call from a request from sheriff capers. we brought expertise and
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fugitive investigations and personnel to assist in this investigation the marshal service is the oldest federal law enforcement agency we have expertise in hunting fugitives. this is a very sad time for the victims i hope that this will bring them some comfort. they can grieve. thank you. >> will open up for questions now, thank you. >> did he have any help from anybody? can you tell if he had help from family members or any of the friends in the area, that helped him hide for the last four days? >> i can say that we've contacted many families, associates, not only here in the houston area, but across the country. >> does that mean he's had help for the past four days? >> we can't comment on that. >> did you ever reach out to meet family members, after the shooting incident on friday night? >> i can't comment on that. >> was he detained at the scene,
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the female detained at the scene, who is that? >> again, this is an ongoing investigation, we can't disclose that. >> sheriff papers, you mentioned previously, there are multiple -- you weren't sure how many being called to that property? are they being discharged, did we learn was remove from the country four times and then in 2020, to protecting order was filed by his wife. i don't, point to that further investigation? >> yes, we filed charges on him, in 2022. to the best of my knowledge, we got a warrant for him. the constable went to serve him in another county, he left here. and never could make contact with the subject, and then, a few days later, the victim went to the district attorney's office in our county and filed a non prosecution statement.
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>> georgia belabor this point, but the address where this unrest took place, does it have court documents that show if it traces back to oropeza, i believe? is that still the case? will this be a family member, can anyone confirm that? >> i can't. i mean, it's still ongoing. the investigation part. i wasn't part of the arrest team. >> if you have an idea how he got from the place of the shooting happened to -- you to use a vehicle, did he walk? any idea? >> once again, not that i know of. >> multiple agencies -- was dhs also involved, was -- the agency that actually went in and made the apprehension? >> they were part of that team, i do believe, yes ma'am. >> with the surviving way, still living at that home, she is currently a fugitive. is anything happening with her? is she being investigated,
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other followups happening with her? i've understood from deputies she has been cooperating? >> to my knowledge, she is still there. the officers are still there. i have no direct knowledge, because this is all happened within the last couple of hours. she is still there. >> you guys believe that -- you is that what made that person calling this tip? will that money be going to the person who called in that type? >> the money will be going to the person that called in the tip through the proper channels. yes, ma'am. i think it still 80,000. >> sheriff, we know that he's been in this country since 2016, illegally. the question is, he had an ar-15 rifle that he was shooting the night of this incident, have you been able to connect the dots as to how an illegal alien was able to
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purchase or get that ar-15 weapon? >> well, i can just speak to conjecture, buy from somebody else on the street. >> are you conducting an investigation to try to connect those dots? >> yes sir, we are. that's an ongoing investigation as well. >> when did you learn about the suspect was at this address? and when you go, in what was the time specific time? >> for tonight's arrest? >> why did you first learn that he was there, and when you actually go there? >> we are probably needed to defer that to the fbi or the u.s. marshals. >> he received a tip at 5:15? >> sorry about that, we received a tip at 5:15 pm, the arrest was made at 6:30 pm. >> kanabec dissipating agencies discuss how surprised were you, they ended up finding him, 15 miles from where the crime was committed? >> i can't really speak on that, i can just tell, you were extremely happy that the
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citizen had the courage and the bravery to call in that tip. >> have you guys search that area, -- >> i'm not sure search, before we immediately dispatched a team out there soon as we got the tip. >> three more questions. >> were there other homes searched as, well no accomplices, no family members, where those areas searched specifically as well? i know you spent time talking about, family, obviously hearing that this was the family's home? were other family homes searched as well? was this one just a random tip? what happened? whether other families around? >> as far as we, know this was just a one-time, random tip. we've contacted multiple houses and families throughout the area. >> what does contact me? and have you gotten? have you searched these homes? >> right -- >> we have done knock in talks. with multiple homes throughout the area.
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we have gotten consent from the homeowners to go in and take a look. we've done those kind of actions. >> two more questions. >> was anyone else? was there any questioning? sheriff, as anyone else questioning tonight? >> no, ma'am, nobody else is in custody tonight. i'm assuming that they are still at the house, questioning the people that were at the house, where the suspect was arrested. >> sure, did you guys find any other injuries while the suspect was on the run? was anybody hurt, to evade law enforcement? >> as far as we, know we do not know any bills that was injured. >> formal criminal charges, -- >> what was his demeanor when he was placed under arrest? >> yes, sir. >> any formal criminal charges filed, you know those are yet? >> murder. >> five counts of murder. 5 million dollar bond. >> not capital murder? >> no, sir. >> thank you very much. >> social media is covering the
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person? >> so it one more time? >> that video on social media, is it the correct video? the correspondence from oropesa? >> i haven't had time to visit social media. >> thank you very much, everyone. i'm gonna clarify, thank you very much, everyone, thank you very much. >> guys, i want to clarify some of the spellings and answer some of the round of questions here. i -- >> okay, we will listen to the press conference that just announced that that suspect, francisco oropesa, has been captured. he was captured at 6:30, local time tonight, after a tip came into the fbi, at 5:15. this is the suspect who was wanted for the killing of five people. some of them family members, one of them a nine year old boy, after his neighbors asked him to stop shooting his rifle, that was making so much noise. near their sleeping baby and he shot them. it sounds like he was arrested without incident, he was found hiding in a closet underneath
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some laundry, we heard from our own correspondent there, ed lavender, it sounded like court documents, that may have been the home of his aunt or relative, police were not willing to go that far, they do believe the 80,000 dollar reward money that was offered did help bring this suspect to justice. i want to bring in now andrew mccabe, cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director, andy, i am struck once again by the power of the public. the public in the partnership between the public and their eyeballs in law enforcement that then goes and execute the capture and it worked. >> alison, i'm telling you, it is one of the most powerful tools in law enforcement has, to work with today. that is, essentially, crowd sourcing the investigation. it is so important, and one of these man hunt situations to get the photograph of the offender out there, to get the name and identity out there.
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get the vehicle description, that's great to. and then you further incentivize that crowd sourcing by putting a significant reward on top of it. so, yeah, you're right, it's another example of how effective that can be, and let's look at from the other perspective, it is not easy to go on the lamb, to run from hundreds of law enforcement officers who are looking for you, it's almost impossible to do without a pre-existing support system and a fair amount of cash to get you along. all that gets 1000 times harder when everybody else in the public, in your town, in your county, knows what you've done, and is looking for you. it's very hard to hide. >> he also had distinctive tattoos, we just had a picture of one of them, that wasn't's only one. so, that is also harder to hide from. that's what tipsters, we had heard as the press conference was starting, that one of the ways they confirmed that, in
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fact, it was him, was matching those tattoos. two previous photos they had. and to what neighbors testified. >> yeah, it's really key, those distinctive physical attributes or qualities. whether it's a tattoo, particular score, other mark. those things scared -- quite easy, when you have a good view of the suspect. it's a remarkable story, my hats off to my former colleagues at the bureau, and all the partners in state and local law enforcement there. a lot of work, it's not minimize how dangerous this work is. this is somebody who killed five people, there was a question from one of the reporters at the press conference, whether or not they went, essentially, house to house, everywhere around cold spring in the surrounding cities. that's very hard to do. it seems easy, it would take thousands of people to do that quickly. every place you search, every
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structure, every vehicle, the officers who are doing that work, are thinking, if he's in this place, he might shoot me before i see him. it has to be done carefully, and that sometimes means slowly and deliberately, they really did their job here. >> excellent police work, again, that tip came in at 5:15 pm, to the tip line, and basically, an hour later, at 6:30 pm, he was arrested, hiding under that pile of clothing. so, everyone is relieved, obviously, particularly, that community that lost so many people. andy mccabe, thank you very much, really appreciate you being here tonight. again, our breaking news, the suspect in the texas massacre is in custody, he was found under laundrie, in a closet, just about ten miles away from the scene of the killings, there's a lot to talk about my panel, right after this very quick break. is is... ♪ ththis is iowa. we just haven't been properly introroduced.
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crime, is out, i mean, is now in custody. so elie, we just heard from the sheriff, we heard from the assistant special agent in charge of the fbi about this guy basically, they got a tip into the fbi hotline his picture had been posted everywhere, we have been broadcasting it all sorts of tv stations had. they got a tip at 5:15 pm, he was arrested at 6:30 pm, it sounded like he may have been his aunt's house? the police would not confirm that. now what? >> now he's gonna be prosecuted. one of the questions that people may have that somebody asked i think the sheriff's it's gonna be a federal or state prosecution? the sheriff seemed a little unsure i'll tell you, the answer right now appears to be state. yes the fbi was at that press conference guess the u.s. marshals with a press conference, their federal agencies. federal agencies often assist in this type of man hunt. it looks like he's gonna be prosecuted in the state of texas. not a great place to be prosecuted by the way if you're defended. and there's a question asked of the sheriff, what is he charged with? the sheriff just said, murder.
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the follow-up was well, capital murder? which is known and most other jurisdiction as first-degree murder. i believe the sheriff said, no, but that's a decision to be made later. that will be a decision to be made by prosecutors. and as i understand texas law, if you kill a person under the age of ten one of the victims he reportedly is nine then that could be account of capital murder. either way this person is certainly gonna be charged with murder, prosecutors are gonna have to figure out within the next several hours, if they haven't already, what degree of murder or gonna charge the sky with? >> your thoughts? >> so oropesa, an interesting time that we've learned over the last few days. the reporter from the u.s. -- four times as we are talking earlier, 09 twice, 2012, deported a third time. 2016, deported fourth time. last year, as the sheriff saying his wife reported that he had assaulted her. domestic violence. the cops interacted with him. in 2012 -- she did press charges against him. he felt comfortable enough, and
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was able to own at least five weapons, and be shooting in his backyard. after all of this. so, it certainly leads to questions about generally our policies. >> absolutely. >> coleman your thought? >> i think evidence could be thinking how did this guy, if he was deported four times, that would imply he crossed the border illegally five times? so, how does a guy like this that clearly red flags out there was you, how is this guy still in the country and able to commit a crime like this? i mean, it makes us question our border security, first of all and the extent to which this guy, if police come into contact with this guy what is their protocol? do you deport someone detained someone? >> do we think is really coming through a border crossing and showing papers? we don't know is the answer. but mighty also just be sneaky and crossing the border? >> i suspect once you've been deported once, they will have a file on u.s. immigration, if
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you try and come through again, any present your actual i.d., they'll turn your right around? or, arrestee. >> your thoughts? >> it is incredibly troubling he was able to own this many weapons especially, with these red flags, including the fact that his wife had originally said, he committed domestic violence, even if she decided not to go forward with filing those charges. i think that's a huge concern that he had all these weapons and this history of suspicion of domestic violence. and the fact that he didn't end up being deported is there are some questions about how that ended up happening, how he was able to stay in the country after being deported four times. so i think there's a lot we're gonna have to unravel over the next couple of days. >> you're right, so still so many questions, thank goodness he's behind bars tonight. we'll bring you more on the capture of the texas massacre suspect later in the program, up next, we want to talk about the supreme court's ethics problem who's going to make the highest court in the land address the ethics? my panel is gonna weigh in on that.
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the supreme is the highest court in the land so who governs them?
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that's the question after a series of ethical violations coming to light, about a couple of the justices, particularly, clarence thomas, who has reportedly had a billionaire friend bankroll his lavish vacations for decades. now, congress is debating what to do about this, and no surprise, that debate turned immediately partisan. >> this is not about making the court better, this is about destroying a conservative court. >> the judges are expected to comply with high standards of ethics and integrity. and it does appear there needs to be better oversight. i've been a long time advocate for transparency and accountability, because i believe the public's business should be public. >> back with our panel now joining us, former senate candidate, joe pinion. joe should congress do something to set an ethics code for the supreme court? >> yes. i think that, at this juncture, it's clear, we need a code of ethics. not just for the supreme court, for congress itself. and this is a wonderful opportunity, --
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>> congress does have a code of x. >> not really. we talk about insider trading that is rampant on the congressional hill i think at some point, we should just be embracing the opportunity to simply say, if the highest court of the land doesn't have a code of ethics, how can they assume mid levy the guardrails for democracy? >> it's up to congress to said that for them. they cannot be trusted to that themselves. i >> disagree, i think it's an opportunity for chief justice roberts particularly, is it is not gonna go testify before congress, to come up with the most stringent code of ethics ever set forth, and then have all the justices combined collectively say, they want congress to go ahead and implement that. i think it for the public and should be pushing for. not trying to pin the blame on the donkey with the democrats because of this perceived threat to what they call a conservative court. >> elie what needs to happen right? though >> they should have nothing to do with partisan politics. there are 800 plus federal judges in this country all of them, except for nine, are bound by a code of ethics. this is a supreme court that
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just out of control. they've absolutely lost their way, they've lost us in the public, and it's their fault. now, just in the last year or so, let's just recap, they've leaked the dobbs opinion. we have learned -- >> out of the just. >> some of the supreme court's purview, i'm counting them altogether, collectively, we've learned that there is lobbying groups that donate money to the supreme court, historical society, get to rub shoulders with the justices and in the case, as reported by the new york times, justice alito, allegedly, lead to what was gonna happen in an opinion to one of those donors. we've learned that clarence thomas has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of gifts and not reported them, we've seen -- >> in the form of travel and flights and vacations. we've seen other justices who either themselves or spouses have had big money financial dealings with people and again, not reported them. when they get called on this finally, by the senate judiciary committee and ask for testimony, they get this condescending letter from the chief justice and by the way, signed by all nine justices this isn't about one side or
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the other saying no thank you. we chanticleer. and by the way, what they say in the letter, the reason that you are having problems with us, is because you miss perceive us. it's your fault. because we are above the law we don't answered anybody. i >> will read a portion of that letter i don't remember it being an old english, and at alleys request justices like other federal judges consult a wide variety of authorities to address specific ethical issues, they may turn to judicial opinions treatise is, a scholarly articles disappointed agents and historical practice of the court and the federal judiciary. they might take advice from the courts legal office and from their colleagues. basically, just as elie was saying, they're not gonna change anything. >> yeah, it's such a disservice to the court not to want to be bound by these ethics. i think that's why it's so important for congress to do this or for the court to do it themselves, i think, obviously, people have lost trust in the supreme court. a lot of that has to do with the decisions. it also has to do with these things that we've seen come out about tomas, the reporting on gorsuch all of these different
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things. whether or not you agree with them it adds to this concern why is the highest court in the land not bound by these basic ethics rules? >> what's the answer, coleman? >> look if congress really wants to tackle corruption, it should get its own house in order. okay? there's insider trading dumping stocks buying stocks, the day before that industry is regulated, they have to disclose that if it's over thousand dollars within 45 days. and the penalty for doing that is a mere $200? and they still don't pay it. this happens all the time. it's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black if we're looking at the federal government, in general what's the most corrupt branch? i would say probably congress. it doesn't mean i'm against supreme court getting its house together to but congress is the wrong message. >> who should govern? or the supreme court is not doing it themselves. who should govern the supreme court? >> it should either be the executive branch or the legislative branch, for sure. none of these branches can be trusted to police themselves.
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>> this is lunacy. it is obvious, the supreme court has to have a code of ethics, particularly, when the trust of that sacred branch has been effectively besmirched. at the end of the day yes, if republicans are going to bang a table about aoc wearing a ridiculous dress to the met gala, which was just yesterday perhaps, we should have a code of ethics for the supreme court, and while you read perhaps you should have a renewed code of trust for the people in congress who have america's deepest secrets and are using them to put money in their own bank accounts. so these are undeniable truths, it's not partisan we should be able to get around, get it done, in gridlock in d.c. over something so basic is why we see people so dissatisfied with the representation across the political spectrum. >> you're not suggesting a dress code for aoc? just bring it up, you're weaving it in. >> elie, we have a few seconds left, the answer is if they can't do themselves, congress? >> congressman come in another say here's your ethics code or
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so, should 14-year-old to be allowed to serve alcohol at work? the washington post reports, wisconsin is considering allowing teenagers as young as 14 to serve booze at restaurants. there is a growing trend in some states to rollback restrictions regarding minors working our panel is back with us to discuss this. what's wrong with a 14-year-old serving alcohol? >> i don't like it. just this idea of children being this in between between adults who are drinking and
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their drinks. okay, you have the situation where a 14 year old has to say, your cut off to a drunk angry person? i know that's difficult for even young adults to do, now, we're asking children, who could still be in middle school 14 year olds can be in middle school, i think that's a line that i don't want to cross. >> coleman? >> you can also pictures an area we have a drunk male customer with underage girls and now you're subjecting them to the potential come on's of drunk people. >> 14 year olds allowed to be bought girls and bus boys are still around drunk patrons. i'm not sure the differences between walking up and handing a beer to somebody and clearing their plate from them? >> i suppose that right there is something i think there's something more -- it sets up situations to be worse if they're the ones you bring in the drink. you have to contact a 14-year-old girl to get your next drink, right? you have to call her, that just sets up way more opportunities
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for things to get weird. >> i think the reason wisconsin is considering, if they do have 14 year olds allowed to work in restaurants, and what they say is, when they can't serve drinks, it causes a break in the, you know, responsibility line. they're milling around the bar, waiting for a waitress to be free to be able to go get them their drink for their table. and they can't bring it to their table, you could say, there's a traffic jam issue at restaurants. that's why they're considering to, it, joey like it, do you hate it? >> i think we're fundamentally asking the wrong question. i think that on some basic level, all of those are really good points. i think that a deeper issue we're not talking about it used to be that kids would work to save up for the first car, to save up for that dress that there is a wonderful problem now, they're saving money to buy the insulin that the parents can't afford. so, there is a real deep, deep pain on main street that hasn't been addressed, the economy is not working for far too many americans. and until we want to address those underlying issues, all of this is really just band-aids
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on a gashing wound. >> that's what you think 14-year-olds are going to work? >> i think that the reality look, i think the race interesting point, again, anyone who's been in the restaurant business, hospitality business knows, when you've got one bartender in five servers, bad things happen customers get mad. i think being able to reach around in poorer the beer makes it a lot easier. i do think that a symptom for a much deeper problem, which is, the american economy has stopped working for far too many americans. the reality is, whether we talk about immigration issues whether we're talking about the everyday issues, people have lost trust in the government, at the federal level, and at the state level, to solve these problems. >> there is the larger issue that joe is talking about this is not just wisconsin. in arkansas the work permits under 16 work. and iowa, there's a bill to let 14-year-olds work night shifts 15 rolls on assembly lines. and there's bills in minnesota missouri, ohio, georgia as we look into this. ultimately, we have a worker shortage. by the way, we begin this broadcast with immigration issue, that leads to this
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worker shortage. then you have the post covid thing. so, there's a larger issue happening in this country right now, in regards to the labor shortage. which is why we keep looking younger, it appears. >> that's what you're saying coleman, you think there may be other solutions before we put minors to work in assembly lines? >> if we have a labor market shortage shouldn't we maybe go through plan and plan b before we start pressing our children into jobs? you know labor economy should be consulted about what policies could be implemented so that these states don't feel such a pressure to hire minors. >> what about the benefit that comes, the value, the life experience, the teachable moment that comes from having a job at 14? obviously, sure, all of us were babysitters at some 0.14, but when you get into a real job it's different. >> yeah, i think there's a lot of benefits to working when it's appropriate. i think, particularly, at this assembly line issue having kids in factories that concerns me
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as young as 15 we already know it's not safe for adults, in many cases we've heard about these four stories at amazon warehouses. the idea of putting children in those situations, it's definitely concerning. having children who should be in school learning on night shifts is also a major concern. i understand wanting them to have these really good moments i think there are some great moment you could have from working a job as a child. but 15 year olds in assembly lines and factories? not it. >> even at that point, the wall street journal came down with a report today, saying, again, the greatest -- overnight shifts, those highly skilled mechanical jobs, again to your point, were drifting towards having children do those jobs. if you go back to the original intent of the law, the law was to make sure that children got out of the factory, and into the school. into an environment where they're going to acquire the skills they needed to be gainfully employed adults. so, the other issue is, this school has failed to deliver on that charter. many times, case by case, city by city, state by state, kids don't have -- better have your matte grade
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welcome back everybody. we have two big stories for you tonight, the suspect in the texas massacre is in custody. we'll have more on that in a second. and in washington, the rumblings are getting louder, with the u.s. could default on our debt in less than a month. we have that panel of great reporters here for us to bring us the latest on this, and what they're working on for tomorrow. so, we have byron fox, danny freeman, -- and paula reid. okay, omar, you have an oak

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