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good evening, we begin tonight, keeping them honest the biden administration's 1500 troops to the border of mexico. the move is aimed at freeing up resources so customs and border protection officers can cope the expected surge of migrants when a trump era policy expires next week. the policy was called title 42 and it allowed authorities to quickly expel certain migrants using the covid pandemic has a reason. the new troops will join 2500 others who were sent to the border last fall because, clearly, there is a problem. but there isn't, not now and not for decades is a comprehensive solution at least not one that enough people in both parties can get behind. the administration tried sending a comprehensive immigration reform bill to congress on day one, january 20th, 2021. that went nowhere, so, instead

like so many others before him president biden is taking a series of far smaller steps while trying to paint those-limited measures in the best possible light. which raises a question, when the selling of policy bear into overselling it. case in point, this exchange, yesterday. >> how does president want to address this problem of reaching a lot of people from here. and, is this one of the issues which he considers his job not done, job not finish? >> he has asked congress to take action, republicans in congress to take action and to work on this in a bipartisan way. he's going to continue to do that. in the meantime, he has put forth, he has tools that he's used to make sure that we do this, that we actually deal with the immigration system in a humane way, in a way that is -- that actually deals with what we're seeing at the border. and that is why you've seen the program be so successful. it has when it comes to illegal

migration, you've seen it come down by more than 90% and that's because of the action of this president has taken. >> now, whether by accident or design, the press secretary managed to make it seem like there's a 90% drop in illegal migration. but that of course, not true. she was mentioning a certain program, which will get into the moment, the only effects a small percentage of migrants. and her answer was either so unclear, or so clearly misleading, she was asked again about it today. >> so, i was speaking to the pearl program, as you, know the president put in place a program to deal with certain countries on ways that we can limit illegal migration, and we have seen that that has shown us that it has gone down by more than 90%. >> so, the program she's talking about, a lot of people from cuba, haiti, nicaragua, venezuela to be considered on a case by case basis to come here under a temporary pearl period for urgent humanitarian reasons. and, as you can see, by the

blue line on the chart, it has substantially reduce the number of migrants from those countries stopped on the southwest border, while here unlawfully. but, keeping them honest, that 90% drop, she mentioned, only referred to one of those four countries. venezuela. when it comes to all nationalities, not just the four border encounters, the four border encounters, as you can see, again represented by the blue line take a sharp dip earlier this year are not running roughly on par with the same time a year ago. more than 1.2 million from last october through march. , and that's not a story the administration wants to highlight. we should know, we invited the press secretary, jumpy a, to come on the program tonight. she. declined >> cnn, phil mattingly joins us with the new reporting that's been happening behind the scenes with the white house. >> so, the white house claiming success for some limited success because they're sending these 1500 more troops and down to the border for the expected surge of migrants next week. that doesn't sound like it's really successful. >> yeah, i understand, it's one

piece, pretty broad expansion that's been underway. over the course of the last several months, the administration has been racing to stand up a system to deal with what they have long expected, long been concerned about a significant surge about the border of migrants to when title 42 is lifted. what, that comes a level of anxiety and there's a very real possibility that border crossings could simply be overwhelmed, create the kind of chaos that can create a lasting damage on a president that just announced reelection a week ago. but, there's also some element of officials being resigned to the reality of this moment, as one official told me we've always known this was going to come, it wasn't inevitability what we've been trying to do is mitigate and manage this to the best of our ability. , and that's what we've seen over the course of the last several weeks, with tweaks to asylum rules, efforts to try and streamline processing, surging up -- trying to manage what's coming, knowing that it's going to be more than they're capable of handling. and, yet, trying to at least

stem the tide to it least some degree. the morality, though when you talk to officials, one told me were simply working within a real consistent. there's only so much that they can do. they would need congress to create a system that could actually allow them to manage what's happening next. when i asked the official, whether there's tunnel conversations about that being possible. officials said, none. >> yes, without a comprehensive solution, without a change to the asylum policy are getting more judges to process claims, even those implying, or want to apply for asylum wait years here, and aren't able to work while there are. so it creates all sorts of problems. for all the talks, the republic -- had they proposed any workable solutions? >> it's interesting, they're keenly aware of that may 11th time, lifting of title 42, they plan to put their own expensive immigration, legislation on the floor next. week now it's immigration that the democrats have already pen that they will not support. even republicans have had a

tough time, cold around the legislation. but it would include sharper restrictions on the asylum program, restocking the program of the border wall, significant funding for technology and personnel. the question right now is each side has always had their own proposals, dealing with some of their interim party issues, as they put them together. but they've never been able to do is reconcile those proposals. and they're just no sign right, now given how hot this is as a political issue, given the reality of what's been happening on the border throughout the course of president biden's two plus years in office that there is any resolution anytime soon. some hope that perhaps a bipartisan compromise could come together, there was one that was put on the table, that didn't actually make it across the finish line. and there's no, sign at this point in time with republicans that control the house. that's gonna happen anytime soon. >> the president, came in the immigration border policy, through the senior officials actually believe that they met that pledge? >> work in progress, i think they're candid about that that they're working within the

system that they have and with the tools that they have and they always maintain -- kind of the three critical words that they'll drive the proposal to make clear [interpreter] given the cross cutting pressures. both political and policy that they face. and the fact that -- addressing some of the root causes of what is an unprecedented flow of migrants across the world but certainly in the western hemisphere over the last years. we will take time to actually take effect. there is no other way to get around it, anderson. without a legislative solution, this is the reality. there are two weeks, there are rule changes that can be made, many of the rule changes this that the team made it upset, democratic allies, including chairman of the senate foreign relations that are extremely critical. the decision today to send u.s. troops down there. but, this is the system that they're working within. and you put the political constraints with those policy issues and all you have our problems. >> phil mattingly, appreciate

it. thanks. next, to the border in el paso texas, house the city of el paso preparing for the expected surge? >> you know, let me show you around so you could see, anderson, because the city is under a disaster declaration and you could see that there are hundreds of migrants that are on the streets here. now, what the city is doing is that they're providing porta-potties, handwashing a shins, and also they come out and clean up the streets every single day because one of the risk concerns, of course, as public health and also public safety. now, one of the things that they point out is that there are a lot of individuals that are out on the street. and you're wondering, well, why doesn't this disaster declaration, which usually freezes up money help these individuals who will need shelter. well, here's the answer. fema money only allows the city of el paso to help individuals who have turned themselves into border authorities. and i've been processed in some sort of way. the problem anderson, a lively

individual got frustrated in mexico, and crossed it to the country illegally and the city really canceled them. title 42, is still in effect. can you explain why there's so many migrants on the streets? >> you, know that's a great question. because title 42 allows immigration agents to simply return migrants back to mexico. so, you're exactly right, why are we seeing all these migrants here when immigration agents have the power to return them back? from talking to migrants on both sides of the border, and officials on both sides of the border, i can tell you is that there are tens of thousands of migrants that are just like this but on the mexican side of the border. and, they are frustrated. and, so what has happened, anderson, is they are frustrated, they got impatient, and they decided to cross the border illegally. and so that is why a lot of them are ending up in cities like el paso. help us is not the only city that's declared a disaster. also, brownsville texas has done the same because they're seeing a huge influx. >> what's been the reaction of

the administration to announce more troops on the border? >> you know, walk with me. i'll show you more of what we are seeing here in the alley. because there are just hundreds of people here. you, know from talking to people in border cities, for a really long time, anderson, they are really tired of seeing a lot of the militarization of the border. whether it's troops, national guard, any of that, i talk to one resident today who put it this way. he said that, they are really tired of governor abbott spending billions of taxpayer dollars to send troops to the border, to send more police officers to the border. they're also tired with the biden administration because they say that there really is, has been no solution. and, the reason why, i want to point this, up here where i'm at is because this resident told me, look, the american people, the american taxpayer is paying billions of dollars, the tax payers to secure the

borders -- what are you looking out around me? hundreds of migrants who are still crossing the border, and that is their point. sending troops, sending more police officers, those are band-aids and there needs to be a real solution. and, phil mentioned it. a lot of people on the border feel the same way, there needs to be immigration reform, congress needs to act for there to be a real solution. >> appreciated, thank. you next, my conversation with tucker carlson, top broker, abby roseburg. the thoughts on his firing, which he witnessed, that made her sue fox twice in a truly bizarre story she told about carlson and wanted to broker kevin mccarthy's win the house speakership on his program. also tonight, john walsh, on the manhunt, still ongoing after four days for the man accusing of murdering five neighbors outside of houston because they asked him to stop firing his gun outside of his house.

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welcome to the next level. this is the lexus nx with intuitive tech safety radar detector: watch for traffic. and our most advanced safety system ever. ♪ >> now that tucker carlson has been shown the door at fox news, we've been learning more about the kind of workplace he allegedly fostered. some of it comes from his former head booker, abby grossberg. she's filed a pair of lawsuits against fox in delaware in federal court here in new york. we should also mention, she work for this program in 2007, as an associate producer. she and i spoke just before airtime. >> when you heard that tucker carlson got fired, did you feel vindicated in a way? >> in a way i did at first, it was a shock. so, there's obviously a lot to process. >> you can expect they would do that? >> no, i don't believe people when they told me.

>> because he had so much power at the network? >> i thought he was invincible. i thought his team was invincible. they believe they were to. by the way that they behaved. >> you say, in 2 of your lawsuits, you say that you endured over confinement, quote, subjugate women based on vile, sexist stereotypes, typecast religious minorities, belittles their traditions, and demonstrates little to no regard for those suffering from mental illness. and the end of lawsuit you say mr. carson's derogatory comments before women in those -- massage it is well known in the set of tucker carlson tonight. his attitude, what you say are his attitude, that permeated the culture of his show? >> of course. i think the best example of that was when i ultimately, and i'm jumping ahead, did stand up and complain to one of my supervisors, his answer to me was, tucker sets the tone for the show, and we follow tucker's tone. and that summarizes everything. >> so, people got a message from tucker carlson that it was okay to use the c word or whatever it was. and they felt emboldened to do that to?

>> i think that they took pride and joy in doing that. they thought it was fun. it was just a borough fest there. >> it's also incredible, your descriptions of the, i don't know if he was always like this, or his ratings and power went to his head, but from what you say, he talked as if he was in the position to destroy campaigns. it would actually threaten politicians, like, if you don't come on the show, some congressmen, if you don't come on the show, we're gonna destroy a campaign? >> it was shocking to me. his lieutenant, justin wells, who was fired along with him, i have messages, i was just looking at today saying, we are the most powerful political platform in the republican party. and they acted that way, especially leading up to the 2020 midterms. they would say, like ron johnson, for example, the office called me and said, he'll come on the show, are you

gonna destroy him? this will ruin his chances. it will be over for him. >> so, politicians were terrified of him? >> they were. that was a power that i was terrified of 2. i don't think journalists should have that kind of power. to threaten and bully people. tucker did. and reveled in it. >> he enjoyed that? it >> yeah, i mean, they believed that he could broker who was speaker. house speaker. if you want to do that live on air, kevin mccarthy said no. >> what do you mean? he wanted to that live on air? >> his plan was to have kevin mccarthy come on the show, according to justin wells, revealed this grand plan to us, tucker, a few days earlier, had said some terms for mccarthy, which included this church committee that he said, i think this is about january 5th, so around january 2nd, he said, you should have this church committee. so, fast forward to january 5th, they started asking me to book mccarthy on

the show that night, i had work within a lot when i was at sunday morning futures and had a relationship with his team. that afternoon, justin came in, he said, here's the plan. tucker's gonna first have kevin on. hear him beg and grovel. then we'll bring in matt gates. matt gates will then set his terms, then tucker will set his terms. that mccarthy has to agree to. >> tecovas and head terms. >> yeah, he had terms. and we're gonna make this whole thing happened on air, and save the republican party. fortunately, for mccarthy sake, he said no. but he did call talker the next day from his office, with representative thomas massie, and had agreed to some of tucker's terms, according to a text that tucker had sent me, he, said that was a win. >> part of working for karlsson, you are in the maria borough show. she repeatedly had sydney powell on, rudy giuliani, spreading lies. when you are senior producer, there was that

okay with you? did you buy into that? >> it's an interesting thing to look back on from kind of a perspective now, but being there in the moment, i was definitely seduced for about a week by those ideas, as tens of millions of americans were. and wondering if there could be evidence, and i was waiting for it and waiting for, because the president of the united states had made very serious claims of fraud, and that evidence never came. so, for me, it took a few days to kind of just realize, the whole thing was a ruse. and kind of, you know, i think the american public was also waiting, and coming to that realization around the same time. and fox fueled that's also for them. >> i mean, plenty of people were saying there is no there there. did you feel navigation, i, mean maria border romo did not pushback odd sydney powell or rudy giuliani, did you feel an obligation to get in their ear and say, you have to push back?

>> yeah, i had statements, i had statements -- >> you put up a deposition, a dominion statement at one point on the screen. and she didn't read it. >> ultimately, it was up to her degree to, and she didn't. and those were pre tapes as well. all the executives at fox were watching them come in, saw no problem with it. their only concern was that perhaps, rudy would come on and bash fox for calling arizona first. >> you've said it in some of your interviews, you were in the bubble, you are in the bubble, you are talking with the trump white house, during covid. you were getting your information from people that were close to trump, and, also running a show by myself. i mean, did you not feel you had a journalistic obligation, i mean, there were plenty of other people i've talked to, other than trump people, to get facts, no? >> there were. those were the people that maria ultimately

wanted on the show. and the fox executives oked to be on the show. >> where there are discussions with maria border romo, about, should i push back on this, should i, you know, i mean, there's plenty of evidence, there is no election fraud. why not have maria border romo say that? to sydney powell or to, where is your actual proof? >> she was supposed to. it was in the notes. it was a responsibility, ultimately, to do that. and she didn't. it was the role of the executive at fox who are watching that come in, live david clark, jay wallace, to say, we're not gonna re-air this were gonna cut this out. ultimately, they didn't. when i was deposed in the dominion case, i was told to downplay the fact that i didn't have help, and i was asking for help. never to say that. never to pin the blame on those executives who were males. that they, ultimately,

had responsibility over the content that ended up on the air. and to just say, i didn't remember what it happened. >> do you believe that you had a responsibility to point out something that was not true? that was set on your air? >> absolutely. and maria had a responsibility to push back, when she ultimately didn't do and should have. >> why do you think she didn't? did you believe in this? or did she just know where the ratings were and what her audience wanted? >> i thought a lot about this. having known her, and work with her very closely, i do think she believed it. i think it was also a result of the massaging at the network. and then just pushing her further and further into the corner, where she had to have bigger and bigger news. which was very much contingent on trump winning, she had a lot of hope that he could pull that through to the variant. >> isn't her job to have some sense of responsibility? in the

end, if you're being pushed to stay stuff that's just not true, you quit, or you resign. maria baba romo, i understand, in your position, you virtue way up in this company, and it's a really tough, you know, you've reached a pinnacle in your career as a senior producer, and you want to get executive reduce, or that i get. but maria border romo has is, assuming she would think long term and know she has a reputation and a name that she wants to protect, i'm just stunned, it seems like malpractice on her part. >> i think she believed. it i think she still might tell you, i don't speak for her, that the election was stolen to this day. >> i mean, she can't honestly believe that. there's just no evidence of it, she's not a stupid person. >> that's what trump told, or any still thinks it was stolen. if she believes what trump says. still. >> yeah, i don't really know that's possible. do you think maria border romo should be

fired? >> i don't think that's my place to say that. yeah, i would want to say that. i hope she's doing okay, i hope she's had some of the same moral growth that i have in the time since the 2020 election. but that's ultimately not my decision to make. >> fox news has responded to your claims saying they're riddled with false allegations against the network. and our employees. you stand by all the claims you made? >> i have evidence to. as you've seen, i've had the receipts, i have the receipts for the claims that i'm making, and i will point out, that statement is also very similar to what they told him in a few weeks before they settle. >> abby grossberg, thank so much for being with, us. >> thank you. >> just ahead, new testimony in the rape trial the former president, the attorney for eugene carroll say support her allegations that he attacked her in a department store in the mid 90s. i like report on the courthouse, next. attorneys

>> attorneys for eugene carroll, the woman accusing the former president of rape in a new york civil trial, called 2 witnesses today to bolster her recent testimony. lisa burn box, a lifetime friend of carole, describe the phone call she says she received moments before the alleged attack in the mid 90s. now, carroll was quote, beth breathless, hyperventilating it emotional. the 2nd witness, jessica leads, claim the former president sexually assaulted her on an airplane in the late 1970s. the former president has denied any

wrongdoing, in both accounts. senior legal affairs correspondent, paula reid joins us right now from the courthouse with the latest. paula, what can you tell us about today's testimony? >> anderson, terrell's attorneys put on these witnesses, to help bolster their case. for example, when it comes to lisa burn back, a contemporaneous account of this alleged assault is so critical, we're talking about allegations of something that happened nearly 30 years ago so to have someone say look, in 1996, i remember she called me almost immediately after this happened, here's what she sounded like, here's how i interpreted. what's interesting burn box said she told carole at the time, what he was hearing about was clearly a rape, which he said at the time, carole, she didn't want to see it in those terms. she still saw it as a fight or as a tussle, her account is definitely something that could bolster carroll's case. defense attorneys on cross-examination trying to highlight her dislike of trump pointing to post that she's made that make it clear, politically, she's not a fan of trump. now, as you know, the

jury also heard from jessica leeds who alleges that she was assaulted on a plane in the 1970s by trump, she said she was upgraded to first class, seated next to trump, and that he allegedly tried to kiss her and group are. trump has denied those allegations, but her testimony is part of an effort by carroll's attorneys to establish that her allegations are part of a pattern. of alleged behavior the former president trump. do we know that the former president actually gonna testify? >> no, he was never expected to testify, but his lawyer actually confirmed that shortly after court today. anderson, i can tell you, i speak with many of the former president trump's attorneys, some of his attorneys in the other criminal investigations are going to be quite relieved to hear that their client will not be on the stand in this case. there were some concerns about how other issues could come up in the civil case, that could complicate those other criminal destinations, particularly, when it comes to his credibility. >> will the defense call any

witnesses do you know? do you know when the trial may end? >> yeah, the timeline working at now, anderson, carroll's lawyers are expected to wrap up their case on thursday. then, the trump attorneys will get their chance to put on a defense, as of, now they're only expected to call around one witness, that is supposed to be an expert will testify remotely. there is no court on friday, so, it appears that this time, this could go to the jury as early as monday. >> all right, paula reid, appreciate, joining us former federal prosecutor, jessica roth, professor at -- school of law. does it make sense of the president wouldn't testify? >> it does. i think that he would be very, very challenging witness. he has a lot of exposure and all these other cases. so, from his attorneys perspective, it makes a lot of sense that he would not testify. >> does it make sense that he doesn't go to the court? does it send a message that he -- it's not a legitimate case? >> yeah, i think there's a real risk that the jury will make that inference, he's not taking this seriously. that has to be balanced, however, against the

possibility that the jury will make inferences based on his demeanor in court, if he were to attend. so, i think there are risks both ways. >> so, so much depends on the jury's perception of e jean carroll, her testimony. i guess the testimony of her friend, lisa burn back. >> lisa, who testified today, is likely the most important witness in this case, except for jean carroll herself. it's lisa -- that jean carroll called moments after alleged rape happened, she gave an account at that time that was remarkably consistent with what she said on the stand in court this week. last week. so, lisa burn balk corroborates that it happened then, it happened the way jean carroll has described it. and the notion that she would have fabricated this back in 1996 and then kept quiet about it. until 2019, when she wrote her book, boggles the mind. so, if you think that she actually that it happened, and she totally told lisa birnbach

and that lisa birnbach honor the promise that she made to jean carroll in that conversation on the day that it allegedly happened, to keep quiet until jean carroll wanted to speak about it on her own, it's very, very powerful. also, the details that lisa birnbach gave, remember the conversation, she remembered that she was giving her children dinner around 6 pm. her recall was very specific, it made the testimony, i, thought seem quite credible. >> on the trump attorneys were saying, look, you've written nasty things about the former president, you clearly don't like the former president. do you think that -- i guess it makes sense they would do that. >> it makes perfect sense they would ask those questions. they're trying to suggest that she's biased against the former president, and that's why she's offering this testimony. lisa burn birnbach she owned the fact that she is like donald trump, she's made the statement on social media, podcast, she did not hide meeting in that regard. she said quite firmly, on redirect, i would not lie undergrowth. just because i

don't like donald trump. >> jessica leads gave her detailed account. i interviewed 2 years ago, when she first surfaced with these allegations about being assaulted on an airplane, sitting next to him. is it controversial she was allowed to testify? if this was a -- would all judge's have allowed her testimony? >> it's really interesting. because it's being tried in federal court, the federal rules of evidence apply, and there are specific rules that apply in cases involving alleged sexual assault. that are very permissive in terms of allowing in evidence of other alleged sexual assault by the defendant. many states do not have such a rule. so, the fact that that rule applies made it much easier for the court to rule to admit this incident. >> the fact that it's a civil case, does that play into it as well? >> that does not plan to. it >> just affected us in federal court? >> it's in federal court, this particular kind of charge. >> -- she did not report the incident until the former president decided to run for office, she said she, quote,

thought she was not the kind of person we want as president. again, how will that comments it with the jury? >> again, these were lines of cross-examination that the defense needed to bring out. that makes sense. again, they're trying to suggest that she's testifying, as she did, because of political bias. i thought, again, she explained that she was coming forward because it was true. and she wanted to raise her voice. of cooperation, of what jean carroll had said. again, she owned the fact that, i think she also said, i don't like donald trump. i didn't think is the kind of person that should be president. so, the fact that the witnesses relatively straightforward about the fact that they don't care for donald trump, it helps the credibility. they don't appear to be hiding any bias. >> interesting. jessica roth, appreciate it. up next, breaking news and an arrest in the man hunt for the man accused of shooting to death 5 neighbors in texas, including a 9-year-old boy. perspective from jon walsh, the former host of america's most wanted. there is breaking news just in, the

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>> there is breaking news just in, the suspect accused of shooting to death 5 neighbors, including a 9 year old boy and his mom, is now in custody. in a moment, i'll speak with jon walsh, who knows a lot about manhunts like these, as the former host of america's most wanted. cnn's josh campbell joins us, what have you learned? >> anderson, the big breaking news now, after those days long

man hunt for the suspect that was accused of killing 5 people, including a 9 year old boy, in cleveland, texas, 3 law enforcement sources tell me, he is now in custody. francisco or a pace, 38 years old, mexican national who had been on the run and been hunted for law enforcement officers here in the united states as well as in mexico, one source telling, me was arrested in the area of a town called cut and shoot texas, which is around 17 miles from the area of cleveland, where this brutal murder occurred. again, authorities had been fanning out across that area, trying to find the suspect. their reward that was announced by the fbi as a host of other federal and local law enforcement agencies was up to some 80,000 dollars. the big breaking news now, which will come as a great relief to many members there of the south texas community, this suspect is now in custody. of course, the questions that come afterwards, how was he able to go on the run for so long? there was a question, anderson, about whether he would flee into mexico, we know that sources had told me, border patrol officers on both sides

of the border had been on alert, just in case he tried to flee back into mexico. he had been back and forth between the u.s. and mexico at least 5 times. it looks as though he did not get that far, as we've seen in so many of these manhunts, where suspects will stay relatively close to the area where they are, again, after the stays long man hunt, some 17 miles away, from the area of cleveland, the suspect now in custody, anderson. >> josh, campbell appreciate the details. some perspective now from the halted americans most wanted, jon walsh, he now hosts in pursuit with jon walsh on -- streaming on discovery plus. cnn's parent company. john, appreciate being with us. what's your reaction in the news tonight? >> it's great news. anderson, here's a guy sociopath, alcoholic, bad guy. who can shoot an 8-year-old boy in the face? 3 women are a real boy. everybody was worried, my guess was he was trying to make it to the border, because as you know, on the mexican side, there are no border agents or customs or immigration, i guess, maybe he didn't hookup with the cartel or get somebody to drive him

across the border. but we've changed -- you and i've been talking about this. i've caught 47 guys in mexico, or mexican people themselves would do the right thing and make the call. he's dangerous, and it begs the question, that you and i talk about all the time, what kind of immigration do we have when a guy can walk back and forth, 5 times, into the united states, when he's a convicted felon? it's just, we've got to change that. we've got to do something about that. >> do you think, does it surprise you that he did not make it down to the border? some 17 miles away from where the shooting took place, do you find, i mean, i guess every manhunt is different, but some people go to where they have friends or other family members to hide out, any sense of why he would've gone to this town? >> might have been lying low until the heat was off, to make the move. everybody in that part of the world was looking

for him. every law enforcement agency, including on the mexican side. and he may have been laying low and waited or couldn't get a ride. i mean, he wouldn't walk -- you can walk across the border anywhere. anywhere on the mexican texas border or arizona and new mexico are even little california. but texas has got such a big border. he may -- maybe his friends were going, hey, you're too hot. they want you bed. they're gonna do something, when they catch you, you'll be lucky they don't shoot you. so, he may have been waiting, i'll tell you, anderson, i just look at the statistics for this year, 150 -- hundred 52,000 unaccompanied minors came in across those borders, and nobody knows where they went. this guy, he was able to go back and forth 5 times and come here and kill most of a family in an 8-year-old boy. it's just something, with the richest, most powerful country on the

planet for a while. but just look at these beautiful people. how could this guy go leave, rita poured him, and then he walks back in and gets back in? we have to do something about that. we have to find out what happened to those hundred 52,000 kids. >> we didn't hear a lot of information coming out of law enforcement today until the news broke just now. what does that say to you? >> well, i think they were close. i think they might have gotten some good leads, some of my sources were saying, he's probably hooked up with the cartel, or he may be. what cartel, we didn't know. he may be waiting for that cartel to come and give him transportation. so, he was such a hot commodity, guys like him, do terrible things, anderson. anybody that can kill, just shoot women like that, shoot an 8 year old boy in the face, i'm saying, god bless law enforcement, they worked hard, i don't think they were telling

the media much. we have to respect that as a journalist, you have to say, don't tell me something that will tip them off, and make a run. i think they kept their cards very close to the vest. it turned out, they got him, before he killed somebody else. >> yeah, very good news. john walsh, really appreciate, it thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> still to come, you've likely heard about what politicians think about florida governor, ron desantis's fight against disney, pro and con. what are some people who live there actually sing? randi kaye joins actually sing? randi kaye joins us for that story, next. elijah , our dell technologies advisors can provide you with the tools and expertise you need to bring out the innovator in you. this is our latest hearing aid packed with 20th century technology. why beige? to blend in. you know, so it's almost invisible. you mean like this? how did you do that?

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>> i'd love to be able to vote for republican, but he's not winning me over. >> this woman is talking about florida governor, ron desantis. terry lives here in celebration, florida. a town developed by the walt disney company in 1994. celebration is located near disney world. residents and visitors here have been closely following the disney desantis feud. >> it's disappointing. number one. and it seems the timing of it, at least, seems very retaliatory. based on some of the decisions that disney made, and then a little bit of a -- match, quite honestly, to see who can up the other. >> we spoke with 30 people here, mostly residents, half of them identified as republican voters. of the 9 people we spoke to, who said they support desantis and his moves against disney, only one of them was willing to go on camera. >> i think that disney has had too much power from the very beginning. >> republican and fitzpatrick has lived in celebration for 26

years. she's proud of desantis for taking on disney. >> i have agreed with every battle he is taken on. >> what do you say to people the governor should focus on other things around the state? >> well, he's done that, hasn't he? disney is not an important, they control so much here. >> republican ron kelly is another celebration resident. >> you have supported governor desantis in the past, what do you think about this battle with disney? >> a waste of time and money. >> how has this whole thing changed your opinion of governor desantis? >> yeah, i think he's a little bit off the track on this one. i can't fathom why he was going after them. >> independent voters, sally moore, calls desantis's move, ridiculous. >> disney reacted the way i felt like they should've reacted. and then to keep going with it and be spiteful about it on desantis's part? you know, i just think he's looking like a fool. >> university of north florida

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think it's going to help him. in terms of getting the nomination. if he does enter the race for president, anderson? >> is there a sense of tension over this issue? >> well, there's a lot of people who are afraid to speak with us. they declined to speak with us. they just didn't get involved, they don't want their faces to be on camera, talking about this issue. there is definitely a sense of attention on the ground, we also spoke with the it executive director of celebration, we went to the town hall in spoke with her. she doesn't live here in the county, she didn't offer opinion of her own, she said that people have been coming in and out of the town hall, raising this issue, it's been raised in committee meetings. and people just don't want to touch, they bring it up, some of them do want to discuss it. and others just try to turn the other cheek. they just don't want to get into it. there is a real sense of tension here, anderson? >> randi kaye, appreciate it, thanks so much. programming note, we told you at the top of this hour, about the 1500 troops headed to the border in

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