someone sued you? >> carlson has long drawn criticism for controversial views on race and immigration. >> policy is called the great replacement, the replacement of legacy americans with more obedient people from faraway countries. >> reporter: a former producer suing over a hostile work environment at carlson's show. >> i thought he was invincible. i thought his team was invincible. >> reporter: fox news declined to comment to cnn on this story. we reached out to tucker carlson himself. he didn't respond. >> brian todd, thanks very much. erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront, breaking news the special counsel is investigating the handling of mar-a-lago's surveillance footage by trump employees.

did someone tamper with the tapes? plus, senator manchin on the debt ceiling, biden's re-election. that interview is coming up. who was behind the drones the kremlin say were sent to kill putin? let's go "outfront." good evening. i'm pamela brown in for erin burnett. breaking news, tapes at mar-a-lago. special counsel jack smith is now asking questions about the handling of surveillance tapes from trump's home in florida. whether the tapes could have been tampered with. smith of course is leading the criminal investigation into trump's handling of classified documents. they want to hear from one or two executives. they're said to know a lot about mar-a-lago's inner workings. trump went on fox news to boasts about the tapes he handed over

to prosecutors. >> they raided mar-a-lago. vicious ly raided mar-a-lago. i have tape, i gave them tapes. i gave it to them. i could have held that back. i gave them tape. but you know the tape they don't want me to reveal, if possible, they asked me, the raid itself. >> he gave those tapes under subpoena, but were those tapes everything? paula reid just broke this story. paula, what more are you learning? >> reporter: prosecutors working for special counsel jack smith have been asking about security footage from trump's mar-a-lago resort. and specifically how it was handled after the trump organization received a subpoena for it last summer, of course this footage is critical to understanding how classified materials were handled once they wouldn't down to florida. and of course the special counsel is not just looking into

the possibly mishandling of classified documents but any efforts to obstruct this investigation. we've learned tomorrow, two top executives from the trump organization are expected to go before the grand jury to be asked questions. related to this exact subject, specifically matt calamari senior, he's worked there for decades. and during his time there he's primarily overseen security. his son matthew calamari junior, he's director of security, both of them are expected to appear before smith's grand jury tomorrow. we have learned that they're expected to be asked about this security footage and how it was handled and any conversations among trump organization's employees. we've also learned that other lower level trump organization officials have also been asked about what happened to this footage after the subpoena. how was it handled and the

calamaris tomorrow, are among several witnesses to go before this grand jury. pam, this is a significant development for the special counsel to go this far into trump's inner circle, calamari is widely criticizsers. so this is significant. they're not just looking at how these materials were handled by closely examining that anyone got in the way of having all the evidence. >> paula, with this exclusive reporting. ryan goodman of just security and elliot williams, ryan, i want to kick it off with you, as just heard paula lay out there, the special counsel is looking at the handling of surveillance footage that was turned over under subpoena. how significant is this

development. >> it's highly significant if the special counsel has reason to think the surveillance video was tampered with, very significant, one, this is a case of obstruction, that would be obstruction on steroids. that the department of justice specifically subpsubpoenaed. a very serious aggravating factor pointing the justice department to indictment under the espionage act. it would also mean that more than one person was involved. >> so, let's take a step back, as a prosecutor how much of this is about due diligences making sure there was no obstruction of justice. as we heard paula, laid to a new

round of grand jury subpoenas. >> pam, it's hard to say. i think as prosecutor one doesn't want to go on what you'd call a fishing expedition to find new evidence or similarly to look for things that might not be there. my guess is they had some basis before going before the grand jury with regard to that surveillance video. footage. now picking up where ryan left on, you're looking at a potentially very serious crime if there's a alleged obstruction of justice, up to a 20-year penalty and jail time including fines and once the subpoena came, everyone in trump's orbit would have been on notice that there was an ongoing investigation. the person doesn't falsify

something but that they know there's an ongoing investigation. falsifying or destroying a record for the purpose of impeding the investigation. that's what they have to prove there. my guess is they might know something. >> yeah, we have to wait and see and learn more about what's behind these new round of grand jury subpoenas. we played that sound of trump telling sean hannity a few weeks ago, quote, i gave them tapes of storage areas, i wasn't holding anything back. cnn has reported that the security camera footage that was turned over showed a mar-a-lago staff member moving boxes from a storage room with a trump aide. source told me directly about this investigation, what do you think, do you think there's more footage that trump doesn't want out there. >> that's an open question. the footage they provided was

only of a certain date range. they only keep surveillance video footage for a specific period of time. it also sounds as though what the special counsel wants to hear about how people like walter who's caught on the video and calamaris may have been discussing it. moving the boxes out after they received the subpoena and the direction to keep the boxes in the storage room really important for the justice department to know about those conversations entail. >> we know when it comes to the classified documents that the justice department is looking at possible obstruction of justice. so what are the potential crimes that you think prosecutors could be looking at related to the surveillance footage and how does it fit in the broader obstruction of justice investigation? >> sure, any mishandling of

classified information, any mishandling or misappropriation, if there was national security information there, what's relevant to an obstruction of justice investigation? the intent, does the justice department have evidence that people not just destroyed or sought to tamper with these videos but knew that they were doing so as a means of -- there's a big step that prosecutors have to get to there that the defendant intended to commit the act. and again, to ryan's point, were there conversations, evidence that people knew what they were doing here. this could come with significant jail time. >> ryan and elliot, thank you

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tonight, a stunning accusation of former russian lawmaker saying it's russians and not ukraine behind these drone attacks on the kremlin. in an exclusive with cnn, exiled russian lawmaker saying, quote, it's one of the russia partisan groups, i can't say more, as they haven't publicly claimed responsibility. this as russia is vowing revenge. tonight, cnn has confirmed two separate objects exploded above the kremlin within minutes of each other but has no ed to show connection between the drones and ukraine.

ukraine is flat-out denying that it's behind any drone attacks on the kremlin. this senior adviser to the president told outfront exclusively why ukraine wouldn't carry out such an attack. >> translator: this is obvious that it's to ukraine's disadvantage to conduct such operations. because first of all, it doesn't reach any military aims. this does not significantly change the situation on the front line. secondly, this will certainly provoke talks about the need not to provide ukraine with long-range missiles. >> nick is in dnipro, russian vowing to retaliate. >> reporter: yeah, it's important to point out that russia has been doing all it can to attack civilian areas in ukraine, over the last week certainly, but over the past

year of this war, the question that many ukrainians have been asking themselves here after they see these kremlin's attack against the seat of its power whether this is potentially going to be used by moscow to further escalate still its attacks against ukraine. what else could they possibly do? that's something we're definitely hearing from ukrainians. the kherson region, over 20 lives lost after a bombing of a railway station and shopping center. devastating scenes. a place, too, so concerned about the potential counteroffensive launched by ukraine is asking residents to potentially stay indoors 58 hours from friday. lot of questions still to be answered, pam, as to exactly what occurred above the kremlin. very little evidence provided by moscow to support its claims of an assassination attempt against

putin. some videos appear to match up together, backing up some of their accusations but still very little else supplied to them about the existence indeed of these drones. two theories, an awful security lapse that we've seen over moscow the center of power has been attacked by some form of drone, deeply embarrassing for vladimir putin. or perhaps seeing something put on by russia to suggest it's under attack in a new unprecedented fashion, that its seat of power, its sovereignty is under threat. as many ukrainians are concerned here, potentially heardling some escalation against civilians or ukraine itself. >> those are key questions. let's further dev into those questions nick asked, the former

defense attache to the russian federation. general, what do you think, do you think russian partisans were behind these drone strikes as you heard from this former russian lawmaker in. >> i don't know but it's certainly a possibility. we've all been watching the last 14 months, on and off attacks, incidents, deep in russia and close to border of oil refineries, and there have been several other type of infrastructure attacks. and then just most recently, trains have been knocked out. and again, more oil refineries, there's thought and there's seemingly a resistance, we saw how many people left russia. so something's going on. we just don't know. i don't know if it was a

ukrainian attack. it doesn't appear to, the more we dig into it, is it partisan? and was it a false flag? but then, and you know to engender russian -- on the edge of victory day, the big parade on the 9th of may, rally mother russia, who knows, why would putin want to then -- russian vulnerability which is what this shows, too. >> right, you heard nick talk about that. it would be embarrassing, the center of power. you would think a false flag operation would work against maybe his own objectives. >> yes, i mean, you'll get that

vis visceral that we're reading about. as it sets in, the word gets out in russia. it just -- a lot of the russian citizens frankly desperately don't want to believe the news and they want to support the regime, but this is bad. either way it's bad. the russians will spin it. what we're all worrying about, watching, what will be the reaction not only in russia but what will be the reflex reaction into -- into ukraine and surroundings in. >> i want to hear more from this senior adviser to zelenskyy. let's listen >> translator: any such actions will cause a great deal of media fear in russia itself and it will lead to the consolidation of russian political elites around putin who has been losing control of the elites because he

doesn't provide them with certain guarantees and because they doubt his strategic plans. >> of course, as you said, russia's going to spin the way that it wants, right, and you had kremlin's top propaganda saying zelenskyy will be targeted. what kind of retaliation do you expect to see from russia? >> there will be -- there has to be fury, the russians in part this whole campaign in my mind in ukraine is they want ukrainians the free people to submit. i use that word submit and the ukrainians they're going to push back against that. i think that as a minimum we're going to see fire and fury as far as more rockets, missiles, all of that into so-called ukrainian infrastructure targets, but really civilian targets, another 21 tragically died in the last 24 hours.

that's one option. two, do they now specifically target ukrainians seats of government? especially in kyiv. that's out there. and then there are sort of the options that are more unthinkable but not outside the realm of at least having to think it through, for whatever reason, they brandish their nuclear saber or god forbid make an example with a tactical nuclear -- unlikely as that sounds. >> let's hope it does not come to that. general, thank you very much. outfront next, biden's pick for labor secretary, trying to save her nomination, it's the democrats she has to convince. will senator manchin back her? senator manchin is next. manhunt in atlanta for a man

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tonight, biden's pick for labor secretary trying to save her nomination and it's the president's own party she has to convince. three democratic senators still remain undecided on julie su's nomination, biden can only afford to lose one democratic vote and that's if senator dianne feinstein returns to capitol hill. if she doesn't return biden can't afford to lose a single

vote. outfront now, democratic senator joe manchin. you've wrapped up with a meeting with julie su, one of the three key democratic senators, where do you stand tonight? >> we just finished up our meeting. it was a good meeting. i have a lot of work to do here to make my final decision. >> you haven't made a final decision yet? okay. you've called it a mistake for biden and top democrats to demand to raise the debt ceiling first before negotiating a spening cut deal, biden now has a meeting set for may 9th with republicans but the white house still says no negotiations. is the u.s. headed for default? >> we're not going to default. i truly believe that with all my heart that we won't default. we know how detrimental that is.

because of political toxic environment that we're in and just able to do our job, that's not part of it, but to say you're not going to negotiate, when this form of democracy is all about negotiating, where the united states senate is the most deliberate body in the world, how can you be a deliberate body if you're not deliberating and talking it's who we are. i think the president knows that as well as anybody else. he's negotiated many pieces of legislation including the debt ceiling, so let's just hope for this -- they're going to be together pretty soon, next week or so, and maybe you'll see the grownups in the room do what needs to be done for our country and puts politics aside. i hope so, you can't sustain the

runaway debt we have. >> so do you think he will end up negotiating? >> i hope. i'm very hopeful for that. i asked about it 90 days ago and they had their first meeting and now it's time to be serious about negotiating, putting what's on table, how do you know? we've had more spending in the last ten years and the last 20 years, pamela, we've accumulated more debt at any time before. for the past 21 years we've spent more money than we brought in. you can't run your household that way. you can't run your private life. you can't run any business, small or large, that way. how can we continue to sustain all this debt? >> you've criticized biden on a host of i shushs. he's running for a second term,

are you backing him? >> i'm not involved in any politics right now. my own or anybody else's. i won't be for this entire year. >> do you support him running for a second time for president? >> i'm not involved in any type of politics. i'm doing my job. i think everyone else should do the same. we have an awful lot of work, we shouldn't facing this theatrical debt ceiling, we've got permitting coming up that we can't do and meet the needs and challenges in our country unless we're facing and fixing the permitting process in u.s. as soon as you say you support this, everything comes at you that you can't do your job as you should. >> the bottom line is, you're not publicly throwing your support behind biden, what do you think --. >> i'm not putting any support

anywhere. i'm not involved in anybody's election. nor will i be until i finish my job. only in america do you start the next election the day after the last election. we've got a long time. think about it. we have a year and a half to go. let us do what we need to do right now. >> you want to wait until the end of year to make that decision. your senate seat is one of the most vulnerable for dks. jim justice is running for your seat. you won your last re-election in 2018 by only three points. how much is justice's candidacy factoring into your decision on whether you run for re-election in your home state or whether you run for president? >> pam, not at all. i was governor and i enjoyed

such high ratings from everyone, republicans, independents and democrats, okay, your governor is a complete different position than anything on a national level, once you get to the national level, they're thinking, who's going control this or that? they know nobody controls me. i'm the same independent that i was at home. if i can't explain it i don't vote for it. simple as that. no republicans or democrats is going to tell me how to vote. it's going be a tremendous, entertaining show to watch here. >> if he wins, if justice wins a primary, do you think you could beat him in. >> i'm going to win. i'm not going to lose.

i only lost one in my life. i've been in many since 1980. that's not in my -- the state basically has turned. you noted that. i won in the most unpredictable terms. people know me as being basically all about my state and my kconstituentconstituents. >> you just introduced this bill for speeding up permitting process, why is this so important to you? you've introduced this before and it failed. >> my bill is the only one that truly has bipartisan support. it was a far-reach ing. now we have republicans eager to come to the table again. that's exciting. let's sit down and let's start again. we have a piece of legislation that i introduced.

we have 40 democrats and 7 republicans. a good starting point to get something across the line with 60 votes. without permitting in the united states of america it takes five to ten years to get any project to get into reality. the rest of the developing world takes about three years or less. so i give you a perfect example, if someone wants to build a windmill out in gulf of mex it started today it take eight years. anywhere 18 years or longer. that's ridiculous. we need pipelines, we need fossil fuels. everyone is playing the game. you have to have energy security and you have to be energy independent if you want to be the superpower of the world. we can extract, the oil, gas and coal and do it cleaner.

preventing iran from getting into the market. so we have a piece of legislation that was all part of a permitting to bring it to fruition. the inflation reduction act has brought more job opportunities, more manufacturing back to america and we got to make sure the administration does what the bill says it does. we're making them stay honest. keep them on track to stay honest. and get permitting done so we can build the pipelines, the transmission lines. >> i want to ask you as we wrap this up, you talked about the inflation reduction act and how you've been very vocal about criticizing the implementation of it, we were talking about other issues, too, you know the way the white house has dealt with the debt ceiling and given your criticism, do you feel

proud to call yourself a democrat? >> i'm extremely proud to be an american, that's what it's all about, pamela, if a party identification drives you as a human being maybe you're in the wrong business, if you're in politics, if you want to do the right thing party identification shouldn't mean anything. it doesn't mean anything. i tell people, i'm fiscally responsible and socially compassionate. you put me anywhere you want. >> okay, senator, thank you again for your time. >> thank you, appreciate it. outfront next, manhunt, 24-year-old suspect in a mass shooting at an atlanta medical building still on the loose. we're live in atlanta with the very latest. and, president biden is facing pressure to bring home americans held hostage around the world, i'll speak to

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tonight, new video into cnn showing the tense moments inside an atlanta medical center after a gunman opened fire, killing one person and badly injuring four others. heavily armed police can be seen clearing the building searching

for that suspect. now a massive manhunt is under way in atlanta and beyond. this is the man police are looking for. he's been identified as 24-year-old deon patterson. he was at the hospital to seek treatment before he started shooting. the search at this hour focusing on area 25 minutes north of midtown atlanta. >> look at this. they all have shields. and giant guns. >> reporter: another deadly mass shooting in america. this time, during the lunch rush in midtown atlanta. >> in the middle of lunch i started hearing people say, hey, we're on lockdown. >> reporter: according to atlanta police it happened inside an 11-floor waiting room at northside medical center. this couple was on the ninth floor at the time. >> we heard the popping. it was nothing until we saw everyone locking doors and

scurrying through the doctor's office and then they put the television on. and we saw the breaking news on the television. they mentioned it was that address. surprising that it was in same building. >> reporter: at least one person is dead and four others wounded. the atlanta police department has identified 24-year-old deon patterson as the suspect in the shooting. wearing a hoodie and carrying a backpack. police say he's still on the run and considered armed and dangerous. a high-level source at the atlanta police telling cnn the suspect and his mother were at the hospital for a medical appointment for patterson. he became agitated and alleged started shooting -- >> we believe he carjacked a vehicle a short way away. >> reporter: we learned the suspect is former member of the coast guard and was discharged in january. >> this is deadly situation,

this individual has just indeed conducted an act that we want to make sure that you know that if you see him don't approach. you are to call 911. >> reporter: the suspect's mother is reportedly cooperating with police. >> we have a multiple jurisdictional effort under way. >> reporter: tlnt police saw all the victim are women. >> 39-year-old female has lost her life. those injured, a 71-year-old female. 56-year-old female. 39-year-old female. 25-year-old female. the four injured victims were taken to grady hospital. three in critical condition and one in stable condition. a source with the atlanta police department tells cnn that the suspect was seeking treatment here after being dissatisfied with the help he was getting to

the v.a. meanwhile the facility is closed tomorrow, cancelling all appointments. several reported sightings of this individual, so far none of those leads have led police to the suspect. pamela. >> all right, nick, thank you. next, russia said it may consider a possible prisoner swap involving evan gershkovich. bombshell racest text message reportedly behind tucker carlson's ouster from fox news. . >> overwhelm our country and change our country completely and forever. ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm gonna love you forever ♪ ♪ ♪ c'mon, bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ you don't...you don't have to worry... ♪

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>> we have a country in the case of russia that like a handful of other countries around the world is wrongfully detake people, using them as leverage in a practice that's absolutely unacceptable. >> elizabeth whelan, paul whelan's sister is now outfront. hi, elizabeth. you spoke with the biden administration earlier today about your brother, did you hear anything that suggests it's any closer to bringing him home. >> unfortunately not. we hope the u.s. government is putting all the resources toward getting paul released. >> i know your parents spoke to paul earlier this week, how is he doing? >> well, you know, he's doing as well as a person can be who's 4.5 in russian prisons. it's been a very long road for

him. he was held for 20 months where evan is now being held and now two years at a prison camp in a distant province, he's trying to survive day by day. >> let's talk more about this, because we know president biden demanded the immediate release of evan today as part of world press freedom day, russia said it may consider a prisoner swap after his trial on alleged spying charges. what do you think this could mean for a prisoner >> it's so difficult to know. the russians did the same to paul, kept him four months before a sham trial, then said the discussions could start. but nothing has happened. we have to hope whatever resources the administration is finding to potentially bring home evan will be used for paul as well.

>> we showed the images of the vigil to bring your brother and other american hostages home. you spoke at the united nations and called out sergei lavrov about your brother's arrest. do you think this has moved the needle to get attention to your brother's case and getting him home? >> it's hard to say but it's time to confront directly the bad actors taking americans hostage. regular diplomacy went out the window the minute an american was arrested wrongfully. it's time to use any tools we have available and stand strong in the face of this action. >> very quickly, you said paul was able to watch that speech, we were surprised he had access to it. did you learn more about that through your parents talking to him? >> he can't really speak russian, didn't know what else was said, but he saw me twice on

television at the united nations and we hope it gave him comfort. he's been a hostage for 4 1/2 years, it's time for him to be released and let him come home to michigan. we hope the u.s. government will make it happen soon. coming up on "ac-360," potential republican candidate, christop christopher sununu, that's at 8:00. a racist text message reportedly pushed fox to oust tucker carlson, but it's far from the first time he embraced white nationalism. more coming up. a hunter. because you didn't settlele for ordinary. same goes for your equipment.

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what would that reality look like? well i guess i would've gotten us xfinity... and we'd have a better view. do you need mulch? what, we have a ton of mulch. we moved out of the city so our little sophie could appreciate nature. a literal ton. but then he got us t-mobile home internet. i was just trying to improve our signal, so some of the trees had to go. i might've taken it a step too far. (chainsaw revs) (tree crashes) (chainsaw continues) (daughter screams) let's pretend for a second that you didn't let down your entire family. what would that reality look like? well i gues' id have a better view. do you need mulch? what, we have a ton of mulch. tonight, a republican senator is defending fox former

host tucker carlson's executive producer after the insurrection. he said he watched a video of men attacking an antifa kid and said it's not how white men fight. wanted the group to kill the kid but realized quote i'm becoming something i don't want to be. senator saying the text was introspective and reflected well on the now fired fox host according to insider. the "new york times" reports that text alarmed the board and played a role in the firing. tom foreman. >> reporter: in the turbulent wake of the january 6th insurrection, one thing caught the eye of tucker carlson, a group of guys surrounded an

antifa kid. pounding him. it's dishonorable, not how white men fight. that text to producers was redacted in court report documents but shared with cnn from the dominion lawsuit. he would reject racism inflamed the crowd. >> there's no evidence that white supremacists were in what happened on january 6th, that's a lie. >> reporter: but critics argued his rise to power was propelled by embracing white nationalist ideas. by example, saying black lives matter was just to shame whites. >> they took over the culture, forced the entire country to obey their will. >> reporter: saying immigrants will make the country quote poorer, dirtier and more divided. a suggestion democrats want to push aside white voters with a flood of minorities.

>> it's going to overwhelm our country and change it completely and forever. our viewers should know it. >> he's trafficked in anti-immigration rhetoric and championed the replacement theory. >> he's one of the primary vessels in america for white supremacist talking points. >> reporter: for comedians it made him a target as he denied the accusations. >> white nationalism, what is that exactly? i don't know what it means and i'm not going down that rabbit hole now. >> reporter: up to the end of his time at fox, he routinely argued for changes he said would help minority communities. dismissed the whole idea of a rising white nationalist movement. >> this is a hoax like the russia hoax. the combined membership of every organization in this country would fit inside a college football stadium.

>> tom, is there any comment from tucker carlson on this? >> no, neither carlson nor fox news responded to our requests for comments. this is a subject they would like to put behind them. there's no overt sign of backing away from the argument that's been forwarded so many times on his show, to say the nation was founded on white, christian values and as long as everyone fits into that, we can be a multidimensional, multicultural nation, which other groups say is not the point at all. >> thanks so much. thanks for joining us. "ac-360" starts now. good evening, we begin with breaking news tonight. for the last eight hours authorities in and around atlanta have been looking for a suspect in a mass shooting at a medical facility that killed one woma