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2023. russia baselessly accusing america of being behind the drone attack on the kremlin. ukraine denies any involvement in that. we called the white house and pentagon. waiting for their reaction. another regional bank may be in trouble. shares of pac west are plunging 50% after the bufrpg ank could seeking a sail. police arrested the gunman accused of shooting five women inside of a medical center. one was killed. the suspect caught after an hour's long manhunt. >> and jack smith is looking into how the trump organization handled surveillance footage from mar-a-lago. and may the 4th be with. carrie fisher will get a star on the hollywood walk of fame today.
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>> "star wars" fan? >> um -- >> i can say i haven't seen "star wars". >> i didn't want to admit. >> but i've always loved her. and i'm glad to see her honored in this way. let's get to the breaking news. this just coming in. russia is now accusing the united states of being behind that drone attack we told you about yesterday on the kremlin. putin's spokesman made that accusation without any evidence to back it up. this was during a phone call he had with journalists. he claim the u.s. dictates such decisions to kyiv. the ukrainians will find out any involvement in that overnight attack. we saw russia unleecash it's ow wave of attacks. they had handwritten notes on them for the kremlin and for moscow.
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let's go to nick paton walsh on the ground. the concern yesterday right after this news from russia blaming ukraine for the drones now that they are blaming america, is this a pretext for russia to take further action? >> yeah. and so far overnight, we have not seen marked escalation. it's been bad night by night for the past four to five days across ukraine from missile and drone attacks. they seem to be the same level. we saw a lot of drones taken out of the sky by air defense systems. let's go back to the extraordinary comments from the kremlin. no end the kind of escalation we're seeing from moscow. yesterday, saying ukraine tried to assassinate the president in the seat of government. now today, again without evidence, saying washington essentially told them to do it. let me give you the quote from the kremlin spokesperson. such attempts to disown this in kyiv and washington are, of course, absolutely ridiculous. we're well aware that decisions
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on such actions and such terrorist attacks are not made in kyiv but in washington. and kyiv is executing what it is told to do. part, i think, generally speaking of a narrative from russia as the war for them here in ukraine gets worse and worse of trying to persuade to the russian population that essentially they're fighting the rest of the world, they're fighting nato and all of the nato alliance backed by the enormity of the u.s. military. this, perhaps, plays into this too. but my gosh, how we enter very high escalated stakes here. not only have they said they tried to kill their president and they're saying that washington told them to do it. i should point out, we're very thin on befdz this. >> he remaundined calm after a l on his life. there was damage done on the kremlin from the explosion.
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that is being fixed. frankly, even if this was an assassination attempt, it didn't bring enough explosives to even damage the roof that it landed on there. the real emphasis for the kremlin to come up with the evidence to provide some kind of proof of what they're talking about, the drones. exactly what was hit, where they thought it may have come from. and that's something they're saying that they're going to leave for a later moment for now. >> look, we're going to have john kirby from the white house on the program today. there is no evidence provided here by russia this baseless claim. before you go, president zelenskyy is at the hague. this is a few months after they call for putin's arrest. what is the impact of this meeting? >> look, it's extraordinary to see president zelenskyy and there a quote where he said he would like the other vladamir to be there, not him. he would like to see vladimir putin on trial. that is part of the reaction to
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being accused of trying to kill vladimir putin or being part of the government that tried to do. that he said he wanted to see vladimir putin in the hague. and the symbolism of the tour that we've seen president zelenskyy do yesterday going to finland right along russia's border and then today in the hague, the place where so much of the western alliance that's trying to assist ukraine wants to see vladimir putin face trial for the mass deportation of children, startling symbolism there as we're expecting ukraine's counter offensive to more publicly get under way. >> certainly s nick paton walsh, thank you for that. as i mentioned in the 8:00 hour, we'll talk about all of this and this breaking news that we just reported with the white house's john kirby. he'll be live here at the table. >> also this morning, there are new developmentes in the investigation into a string of stabbings in less than a week near the university of california davis. you can see here just how close each of the three attacks were.
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they left two men dead and a woman seriously injured. they're reporting that police have been questioning a person of interest. questions still remain. the person was found a block away from where that second stabbing happened there on the map. the police spokesman said the person went to officers, went with officers to the police headquarters. they were cautioning this person has not been yet linked to any of the stabbings. police are also announcing investigators have collected biological evidence from the three crime scenes. still, no suspects identified. >> pac west bank is well known, it confirmed a bloomberg news report that they're weighing strategic options including a sale. that is a question whether pac west could go under following the collapse of three other significant regional banks, silicon valley bank, signature bank and first republic on monday morning. this sent pac pwest stock
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tumbling 50%. christine romans is here with more. what's going on? >> the bank actually yesterday released a statement saying, you know, look, we haven't seen a big outflow of deposits. things look just as good today as they did last week when they reported earnings. this is a case, i think, of when you hear strategic options, that's like an sos in wall street lingo, right? trying find a buyer. what is the situation? they have 75% of the deposits are now insured. that is up a little bit from recently. there isn't anything materially new about this bank. it is the nervousness on wall street and the investors are selling it. the stock is down 38%, 50% at one point this morning. you can see that big dive there. that is right before svb collapse. so you can see regional banks and this bank had a hard time finding its footing since that happened. the bank has not experienced out of the ordinary deposits since the sale of first republic bank and other news. that's what the bank said the other night. but in the eyes of wall street
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traders, it doesn't matter. they've been selling this stock here. we know the fdic stepped in before. they're look foing for a buyer here. so we'll see if pieces of this bank could be sold. one thing that is interesting to me is this is the interest rate story, right? as interest rates have risen, the value of the investments have gone down. if you mark those to market, you know, shows some weakness on the books. >> and they're rising again. >> that's right. >> we heard from jay powell yesterday. may be the last time for now, right? >> the pause patrol, right? >> that's clever. >> all the parents watching know exactly what you're talking about. >> a little bit of pause patrol. they raised 25 basis points. the tenth time in a row. signalling, i think, that they're going to wait to see what happens next here. here's really remarkable to raise interest rate on a week you had bank stress and a bank
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failure in first republic and monday morning with first republic. it's a very interesting moment here, i think, after a year of interest rate hikes. borrowing costs going up for all americans. credit card debt is very dangerous still, folks. it's going to get even more expensive. that's all in the engineering to try to slow down the u.s. economy and prevent inflation from taking hold. and the bank failures has been remarkable. the interest rate increases revealed that weakness in the banking system. >> they stress test the banks for the opposite scenario. >> right. >> but not this scenario. here's where we find ourselves. >> i know. >> thank you very much. >> also this morning, there is newly released dispatch audio from the moments after a deadly shooting that we were tracking all day yesterday in atlanta medical center. it shows how the suspected gunman's mother helped in the search for her son. >> there is an active shooter. a person shot.
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a female shot. she is seriously bleeding. shot in the black. black male, 6 feet tall wearing a black hoodie. he is between 20 and 25. dionne paterson. woman on the line said it is her son. >> police captured the 24-year-old deon patterson after eight hours of a manhunt. the attack left one woman dead and four others injured in the hospital. nick valencia is in the hospital where that shooting took place. of course, this was a dramatic scene. everyone is watching this play out. the city of atlanta was kind of in a stand stichltll. what is the latest on this investigation? >> it was an absolutely terrifying day here in atlanta. it all unfolded at this medical facility north side medical in midtown atlanta during a very busy lunch time rush. according to police, 24-year-old deon patterson showed up to get
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evaluation after being unhappy with treatment. he became agitated and opened fire killing a 38-year-old woman and injuries four others. all of them were women. one of them is in stable condition. patterson then took off running and stole an unattended vehicle at a nearby gas station just a couple blocks away from here. technology played a huge role in his capture. according to police, within 20 minutes of him stealing that car, the vehicle tag was spotted and they alerted authorities that he was in the suburbs just ten miles northwest of where the shooting all took place, ultimately an undercover police officer found patterson hiding in a pool area inside of an apartment complex in the suburbs there ending what was a very terrifying and emotional day for the city of atlanta and beyond. quickly here, kaitlan, we know he is expected to make his first court appearance at 11:00 a.m. he has been charged with four counts of aggravated assault as well as one count of murder. and his mother, we heard that audio played, his mother is
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cooperating with police as is the coast guard. he is a former coast guardsman. he was discharged from active duty. they are also closely cooperating with police. kaitlan? >> remarkable to see how parents are being brought into something like this, especially after we saw what happened in louisville, kentucky. the mom also called 911. now this situation at valencia. i know that court appearance is going to happen today. thank you. first on cnn, special counsel investigating classified documents at mar-a-lago is looking at possible mishandle of surveillance video. a detroit school closed down after a spike in flu-like cases and the death of a kindergartener. doors are new b. -surprise! -surprise! your dedicated fidelity advisor can help you open those doors. for you, mama. ththrough personalized money management that can evolve with new chapters. and they can proactively view your entirire portfolio. with an eye on taxes and the impact of risk.
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>> this footage is essential to understanding what happened to the classified documents once they went down to florida. they're not only investigating possible mishandling of classified documents, but jack smith and investigators are looking at any efforts to obstruct this investigation. so, we learned that his investigators have been asking about this surveillance footage after they received a subpoena for it. what happened to this foot snaj was there any effort to potentially tamper with it? now we know that prosecutors asked lower level trump organization employees about any conversations in in the organization about this footage after they received that subpoena. we're expecting to see additional witnesses today. >> so this is matt calamari. and matt calamari jr. have they testified before? have they testified before? what is the significance that people are still being brought into testify even as of may 4th? >> let's start with matthew calamari sr.
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this is really significant. as you know, this is one of trump's most trusted, long-time advisors. matthew calamari jury sr., during his decades with the organization, he primarily been responsible for overseeing security. now his son is also working at the organization and he's now officially the director of security. so the fact that these two are going before the grand jury, the fact that the special counsel got this far into trump's inner circle to ask about this surveill surveillance footage is significant. they're expected to be asked about the footage. again, any conversations that occurred among trump organization employees or other trump aides after they received that subpoena. so, these are two extremely significant developmentes in the on going special counsel investigation. witnesses keep coming before the grand jury. so this is far from over. >> you've been up here in new york covering the trial that
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defamation trial based on an alleged rape of e. jean carroll. what is interesting is this development you have that former president's team is not going to put on a defense? >> yeah. they were expected to call one expert witness. this was going to be remote testimony. they announced yesterday they're not going to do that. citing logistical concerns for this witness. but that is a deliberate choice not to put on a case like this. enough jurors see the case their way or believe they lost. there is really no point in putting on a defense. there is no court on friday. and we learned that jury will likely begin deliberating this case on tuesday. >> okay. paula, thank you for that reporting. >> we're getting a pretty dire warning. millions much americans could lose their jobs. >> also a mysterious illness
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look at that number. 8 million americans could lose their jobs if the government fails to raise the debt ceiling and goes into an extended default. the default lasting at least a full quarter. that is according to analysis from the white house counsel of economic advisors. there are also warnings that the default could cut the stock market in half. this analysis comes days after the treasury be secretary janet yellen sent this to lawmakers saying that u.s. could run out of money to pay bills as soon as june 1st. we're at the white house with more. good morning to you. when i saw this cross yesterday, i was stunned. i think that this is the way that, you know, every day americans can actually digest what a lack of government action on this would mean for them. >> yeah, poppy. what the white house is trying to do here is lay out the stakes of the impact of potential default would have on the american economy of that potential date for default is
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less than a month away. now the president's top economic advisors last night outlined various scenarios about a default. and including one that just relates to brinksmanship. saying if the congress just waited until the final minutes to raise the debt ceiling, that would even have serious consequences for the american economy. with 200,000 jobs potentially on the chopping block. that larger warning is related to kind of a three-month protracted default if they were not able to come to an agreement. that's where that 8 million jobs lost figure comes into play. now this all follows treasury secretary janet yell eneen earl in the week saying this they need to raise it before june 1st. waiting until the last minute to reach an agreement could have serious consequences for the american economy. but really what the white house is trying to do here, they hope these kinds of warnings will
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help move the needle in the discussions over the debt limit. the president expected to meet here at the white house on tuesday with house speaker mccarthy and other congressional leaders. but for the time being, the camp's remain in their two sides with the white house saying they are not moving off of that insistence of pushing for a clean debt limit hike while republicans still are holding firm that they want to see the spending cuts. the so all eyes on that tuesday meeting as the white house is issuing the dire consequences of how the american economy could be impacted, potentially catastrophically if they do default on their debt. >> yeah. and potential real impact even if we get close to the brink without a default. thank you for the reporting from the white house. also we're tracking this story out of detroit this morning. will a school is closed after reports of a spike in illnesses among young students. a kindergartner died last week. the cause of death there, we should note, has not been determined. detroit health officials say the school will will remain closed until next monday for a deep
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cleaning. joining us now is our medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. we're still waiting to learn the cause of death. we should be up front about the caution. there say big question on just how unusual it is for a child who is so young to die after these flu-like symptoms were exhibited. >> kaitlan, flu-like symptoms can mean many different things. let's talk about flu. children do of flu. last season, 150 died of the flu. many of them as young as this child. so, yes, children can die that young from flu or from flu-like symptoms, two big questions i think is the child who died, did they have any underlying -- what exactly did they die of, to your point, and did they have any underlying illnesses? >> what about other schools nearby, preventative action since they don't know the source of this? >> you know, i think that it's
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really hard to know what to do if you have children in other schools. i think what you really need to do is look at what you're warning about. parents are saying look out for the symptoms. headache, naush yea, abdominal pain. parents should look out for those anyway and talk to their doctor if their child gets really sick. >> the school is doing this deep cleaning. my mom teaches at a school. the question i think that parents will have is a deep cleaning, is disinfecting actually going to be helpful with the big picture here? what is that actually, you know -- what are the steps they could take in this situation to ease the concerns parents understandably have? >> so, deep cleaning and diseninfection can really help quite a bit. you get in there with soap and water, disinfectant. better if you know exactly what is causing the illnesses and select the best disinfectant. two things, one, when children
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come back to school if they're still sick, that disinfection goes away. they then touch the surfaces again. another thing is the surfaces may not, probably are not the biggest issue as we learned with covid. it spread person to person way more effectively than through surfaces. so, certainly if i worked that school or if i had a child at that school, i'd be much more concerned about person-to-person rather than surfaces. both are concerns. they really need to figure out what exactly is this germ, what exactly killed that child? >> yeah. exactly. and we're still waiting to hear about that, of course. thank you. elizabeth cohen, thank you. if you want to be an air traffic controller, you have to act fast. the ultra competitive once a year application window is about to open. we have what you need to know. >> it's so much to keep track of. it's a tough gig.
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new york city there this morning. 6:35 a.m. new york has become the first state to ban natural gas and other fossil fuels in most new buildings. this new law banning gas stones, furnaces and propane heating, all interest cooking and heating is required in new buildings over 7 stories. on the national level, not that long ago, a federal official suggested and then retracted that idea that could tl could be a country wide ban causing outrage among republicans. summer travel kicks off a few weeks from now. airlines are facing, again, a major problem. air traffic controller shortage. aviation experts are warning this shortage could affect your plans to travel and fly this summer. let's go to our aviation correspondent just outside of washington. so, they're trying to hire a bunch of them or what?
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>> that's right, poppy. the faa really owning up to this shortage which is so interesting. the air traffic control shortage is a nationwide problem. the faa says the problem is so acute in some areas that it's asking airlines to operate fewer flights to some of the nation's busiest airports. a rare hiring window opens up this weekend. but that help will not come soon enough for this next major surge in travel. warnings of not enough workers for your next trip stretch from cockpits to control towers with the faa's own air traffic controllers now in short supply. the agency says nationwide two in every ten controller jobs are empty. the problem is so severe at a key facility in new york that the faa is warning summer delays at the area's three main airport could rise by 45%. >> it's a chilling message that we're not able to fly, you know,
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the routes at that level because we don't have enough air traffic controllers. >> now, the federal government is scrambling to play catchup, opening a rare hiring window friday. last year it was flooded with 58,000 applications. that's 38 candidates for every 1 opening. >> it's an important job. >> absolutely it's an important job. well, it's the backbone for aviation. >> one of the air traffic control students here in the emory air nautical university in florida, ready to hit submit the moment the application window opens. faa hiring slowed down during the pandemic. professor and former faa official michael mccormick says compounding the problem, the agency shuttered the training academy. >> over time, this builds and that's why we have such a gap now. they need to hire so many more. >> to see if i have what it takes, i stepped into this control tower simulator to give
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it a try. students practice lining up flights for takeoff and landing. issuing fast, specific instructions with no margin for error. >> it is so much to keep track of. >> this is a tough gig. >> it's probably every single time i ever hear someone say that it's a stressful job and i'm like here, i can do it. >> clearly, the students here are more accustom to the intensity of the job than i am. it can take three years for the faa to fully train recruits. acting administrator insists hiring is on schedule. but it might not be fast enough to keep flights on schedule this summer. >> we're hiring over the next two years, 3,300 additional controllers. that will give us a net plus of 500 accounting for retirement and attrition. >> this is ultra competitive, poppy. there is an aptitude test, a medical test, a psychological
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exam. there is a chance that if the faa gets so many applications in the first day that they might close off this application window a bit early, something else the faa is doing to try to alleviate the summer problems, opening up extra air traffic routes up and down the east coast that are a bit more direct and don't zig zag. these are short term fixes for a long term problem. >> pete, are you applying for this? do i need to let the bureau know? >> i wasn't very good at it. i'm going to stick to airplanes, i had think for now. >> hard pass for me. i'd be terrible. >> i feel like pete is going to sneakily apply for this and be gone one day. we won't have an aviation correspondent. >> thank you, steve. >> thank you, pete. also this morning, we're tracking a really sad development out of kentucky. this year's race has a dark cloud hanging over it. the death of four horses at
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churchill downs in the last week. andy shoals joins us now. andy, we love watching the derby, watching every year over the preakness and the other races. what happened here? >> yeah. good morning, guys. sadly, that's a big part of the sport. this happens quite a bit. they say the series of events highly unusual. and last thursday a derby contender, wild on ice, broke its leg while training. it had to be euthanized. another horse suffered a similar injury during saturday's competition. and then two horses claollapsed and died for no reason. chasing arty died under similar circumstances after racing on tuesday. joseph told louisville's journal that blood work and labs came back normal for both horses. and that their team is testing the horse's feed and supplements for irregularities. >> it's -- yeah. i'm shattered, basically.
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i know it can't happen. it is mind boggling. the odds of it happening twice is a trillion. i run 4,000 horses and it never happened. so, it just doesn't make sense. >> churchill downs releasing a statement saying in part, while series of events like this it s. highly unusual and kmecompletel unacceptable, we acknowledge that these incidents must be addressed. according to jockey club data, more than 7,200 horses die due to racing between 2009 and 2021. you have 20 horses set to race in the derby on saturday. post time is 6:57 eastern. >> all right. elsewhere. the nfl is set to take on the nba on the golf course in this year's edition of the match. reigning super bowl champs patrick mahomes and travis kelce going to square off. clay thompson is at the wynn
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golf club in las vegas. they'll play 12 holes on june 29th on our sister channel. mahomes and curry played in the match before. they lost in the previous matches that they took part in. and you know, we've seen a lot of fun matchups in this. we had tiger versus phil. we had brady and rogers taking on mahomes and allen. but with he never had two teammates going up against each other. this should be tons of fun. >> a little bit competitive. i can't wait to watch that. andy, thank you. >> this morning we're hearing from actor jamie foxx. this is the first time we heard from him. he's been in the hospital for weeks for an undisclosed medical complication. >> woman: why did wewe choose safelite? >> vo: for us, driving aroununds the only way we can get our baby to sleep, soso when our windshield cracked, we needed it fixed right. we went to safelite.com.
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jamie foxx is speaking out since he was hospitalized three weeks ago due to what we're told was an undisclosed medication complication, not a lot of details. he did post on instagram saying, quote, i appreciate the love. feeling blessed. he does remain hospitalized in atlanta as of this morning. he will not be able to host the upcoming season of his game show. instead, the show is announcing that nick cannon is going to be filling in while he is out. joining us now is senior editor of tv of people brand.
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thank you for being here this morning. >> there are lots of mixes things going on. people are posting to pray for him. it is so positive that we heard from him. the first time we heard of him in three weeks. it's great. he posted that message on his own instagram. he also commented on nick cannon saying he would do a great job hosting his show. and it's nice to see his daughter is still by his side. and kelly osborne is filling in on that role. >> can we turn to the writer's strike? it's a huge deal. i think there is also been some really notable things in terms of the support they've gotten.
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posting on instagram this is from daniel kwan, writers are one of the foundations of this entire industry. if we don't stand with them today, it's a matter of time before they come crashing down and calling out the corporate machine. >> so many people are showing support. we saw so many stars on the picket lines. and even jay leno showed up giving donuts. >> which he did last time. 2007 was the longest writer strike at 100 days. it did change the shape of television for quite some time. we're still feeling the effects. it brought in so much reality television that we're still stuck for today. >> i didn't think about that. >> it changes thinged.
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we went to unscripted tv for so long. it really shifted that landscape. everyone is responding to this. the who is voicing support. some are explaining about jimmy fallon coming to a meeting. he said he was going to pay his writers for the next week for their salary. i think the question is, and i'm curious what you hear from your industry sources, is whether or not this will actually yield change. >> it really depends. everybody wants to get back to work. you saw writers from abbott elementary and yellow jackets return to work on may 1st to start writing season three of both of the shows and then had to leave after one day. they're so excited to go back to work. it's not about people that don't want to work. it's about fair wages. >> yeah. >> and so, i'm -- i'm certainly hopeful. it sounds positive. i don't imagine we're going to see another 100 days. >> maybe. >> who knows?
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we're learning about the relationship. justice thomas had legal custody of the boy and was raising him as a son. the tuition was $6,000 a movement the entire cost paid for by crow is not clear this morning. they report that crow picked up the full tab and could exceed $150,000 based on public records. they're also reporting that
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so m he did not disclose the payments. he did disclose a $5,000 contribution to the boy's education from another friend number clear sense of why he wouldn't disclose what crow had done. crow's office noted saying he has long been passionate about the importance of quality education and giving back to those less fortunate. especially at risk youth. and they will try to return helping at risk youth. and nefarious. and we bring in jeffrey toobin. any offer of a new book. and they talk about and are going to get there in a moment. this teams far outside the norm when it comes to the payments. >> what we have to remember about clarence thomas is he knows that there is exactly one thing that can you do to a supreme court justice. which is impeach him and remove him. which is not going to happen here. it is never happening here. so what he has done is simply
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defy all the rules that are technically imposed on supreme court justices which are extremely minor. it's okay to take money. but you have to report it. he obviously hasn't reported benefits of hundreds of thousands of dollars he received from crow. his attitude, it appears, is what are you going to do to me? the answer is nothing. >> they talk about not going before the ethics committee. >> they have put themselves not just above the law, but above other federal judges. they are not exactly onerous but the supreme court doesn't even follow those. >> can we talk about this book? >> yes, we can. >> you reported on -- this is about the 1995 oklahoma city bombing, timothy mcveigh. you covered it. the trial at the time. but were so deeply interested in it that you wrote this reported out this fascinating book.
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they dominated headlines in the anti-government lone wolf. you think it's no the complete story. talk about the influences. i think it is relative today. >> if you look at mcveigh, you see that he was not a loner. not by himself. he was part of a movement. he was part of the conservative movement. a lot of people remember he was outraged by what the fbi did at waco. he was just outraged about what happened a year earlier when bill clinton signed the assault weapons ban. the obsession with guns. the belief in violence. the obsession with the founding
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fatherses. the idea that because the founding fathers rebelled against the british, we have the right to rebel against the federal government. listen to the people january 6th. that agenda was exactly the same. >> saying he wasn't a lone are is interesting. what i was obsessed with now is now merit garland's role in all this and how he stripped parts of that away and focused on hip as this was going on with the a o.j. simpson trial. >> merrick garland was a senior but not very top justice department official in the mid 90s. he was assigned to run the oklahoma city bombing investigation. the bomb was april 19th, 1995. january 1995 was when the o.j. simpson criminal case started. garland had a visceral distaste for all the celebrity worship
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that went on, all the attention that went on to the lawyers and the personalities. and he determined that the oklahoma city bombing case was going to be very different. and he made sure that the case was tried only in the courtroom. he is now in a very different place. he's now the attorney general. but he has the same attitude toward publicity. he doesn't want to call attention to things unless it is an actual court case. and i think that is -- that is unfortunate. i think as attorney general, you have a platform where he could call out the continuing danger of right-wing extremism in this country. he hasn't done it to the degree he could. the. >> look, it's a fascinating read. you went to the university of texas where the lead attorney for mcveigh donated all the documents, 635 boxes, a million documents. you found peo

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