that went on to the lawyers and the personalities. and he determined that the oklahoma city bombing case was going to be very different. and he made sure that the case was tried only in the courtroom. he is now in a very different place. he's now the attorney general. but he has the same attitude toward publicity. he doesn't want to call attention to things unless it is an actual court case. and i think that is -- that is unfortunate. i think as attorney general, you have a platform where he could call out the continuing danger of right-wing extremism in this country. he hasn't done it to the degree he could. the. >> look, it's a fascinating read. you went to the university of texas where the lead attorney for mcveigh donated all the documents, 635 boxes, a million documents. you found pethings that people

hadn't seen. >> you're a student of the law. you know that lawyers are not supposed to disclose their conversation with their clients. even after they're dead. that's what stephen jones the attorney did. i think it was a questionable decision on his part. it was a tremendous boom to me as a journalist to get behind the scenes in many the investigation. plus, i got all the material that federal government turned over to the defense as part of their investigation. so i have the federal government as well. >> how nice to see you both. >> how nice to see you, jeffrey toobin. congratulations. >> thank you. >> book after book. not sure how you do it. >> well -- >> it's a phenomenal write. thank you. >> be sure to pick up his book. we'll speak to one of the authors of the clarence thomas report. that will be later this hour. right now, our coverage continues as "cnn this morning" continues right now.

>> russia is accusing the united states of being behind that drone attack on the kremlin. >> the video of a purported drone strike is unimaginable given the location. >> this is given by russians. >> we don't attack putt in. we fight our own territory. >> another regional bank is showing trouble. pac west is weighing strategic options. >> shares of pac west are plunging after a report suggested that the bank could be seeking a sale. >> the u.s. banking system is sound and resilient. we'll work to prevent these from happening. >> the suspect that was wanted is now in police custody. >> he'll be charged and stand trial for his crimes. >> what are the long term traumatic effects of telling our children we can't protect you.

>> in new york city, a reportedly homeless man on a subway was put into a choke hold by another writer. >> we can't say what a passenger should or should not do in a situation like that. they nuk up behind him. a nightmare began. >> the majority of all babies with this condition will get very sick immediately. there is about a 40% mortality. >> this team offered something new. >> this is miss denver coleman. she's about to change th e world. >> the united states is behind that attack that happened on the kremlin yesterday. they have zero evidence to back

up thatclaim. john kirby responded to that claim moments ago calling the allegation ridiculous. they'll take more questions on what happened here. the kremlin spokesperson told reporters, quote, we're well aware that decisions on such actions and terrorist attacks are not made in kyiv but in washington. and kyiv is already executing what it is told to do, such attempts to disown this in kyiv and washington. moscow keeps assisting that they were trying to assassinate vladimir putin. overnight we did see russia unleash a wave of its own drones on kyiv and other ukrainian cities much the they had handwritten messages on them reading for the kremlin and from moscow. just yesterday after the drone attack, the state department made it clear the u.s. is not helping or urging ukraine to

launch attacks on russian soil. listen. >> i would take anything coming from the kremlin and the russian federation with a grain of salt. we also have been clear and consistent about not encouraging or enabling the ukrainians to strike beyond its borders. >> let's bring in retired u.s. army major mike lions. i have watched this video in slow motion several times. where these drones could have come from. russia is claiming, of course, ukraine ukraine is behind it. ukraine denied this. >> a couple courses of action. it could have come from somewhere inside of russia. but i think in all likelihood, the fact this drone had to travel 280 miles, get through multiple air defense platforms and systems that they had set up already. it's just not likely it came anywhere from within the boundary of ukraine. it could have been a special op

that came somewhere close to moscow or so. but in all likelihood, this is more pointing towards that false flag operation. >> what do you mean fwha false flag operation? >> russia set this up. you look at the explosion itself. a slow, small drone flying towards the capital of russia. taken out at the right time, right over the flag. all these things. you know, as much as it is embarrassing for the russian military and putin, i think that they've traded off the propaganda effect they're trying to get. so now they drag the united states into it. they're trying to blame the united states. >> it is embarrassing for russia, right? the fact this could get so closely. the idea they were actually trying to target, this is the roof of the senate palace. but here's any question. you don't see a lot of damage here. can you see on the surface of the roof. but if they were trying to assassinate putin as kremlin is claiming this is not what would have done that. >> i agree. he has an office in this building a lot further away. this is not an assassination

attempt. again, it's -- it looks like a well scripted type of operation to show that perhaps they're being attacked. very clearly there is no damage there. >> and so obviously, we're seeing ukraine deny this. they said it wouldn't further the military goals. they would allow -- it would allow russia to justify strikes. they're saying basically too busy defending ukraine to actually strike inside russia. there are real concerns as you heard over at the state department saying yesterday that ukraine would try to do this. that is something the u.s. had warned them against on the anniversary of the russian invasion. this is a concern that the u.s. does have that ukraine would try something like this. >> it z does and they have the capability. the drone can get to that spot. it is wasting a lot of intelligence assets and resources on the ground if they decide to do that. russia has more to gain to try to think that this attack was real. they know this counter offensive is coming. they have to draw attention away from that. they're doing everything they can, perhaps they'll use this as a way to get more russian soldiers. it's more in their interest to have done it and that faults.

>> vladimir putin was not inside the kremlin at that time. major mike lions, thank you for all of that. >> in the next hour, we'll talk about the claims from the kremlin. how the u.s. might respond, what they're role in all of this is from the white house's john kirby. he'll be live in studio coming up. >> also this morning, another regional bank showing signs of real trouble. we're talking about pac west bank. confirming a report that they are weighing strategic options including maybe a sale. exploring strategic options that, is wall street lingo for please help. the news sent pac west stock tumbling yesterday. shares cut in half in after hours trading. first republic failed on monday. jp morgan case came in and bought up the assets. it was the third regional bank to collapse this year. this comes as the federal reserve psyched interest rates by a quarter basis point. the tenth hike since march. last march, i should say. fed chairman jerome powell did hint maybe a pause is around the corner. let's bring in our chief

business correspondent christine romans. good morning. we get to the fed and powell in a moment. but pac west? >> yeah. the company last night saying essentially the bank saying nothing really changed since the, you know, the fdic took over first republic. you look at the shares cut in half overnight. they were $22 earlier this year. they closed at $6. that's been a tough chart. you look at the deposits, i think it's interesting. the deposits actually rose from march 20 to march 31. >> they're not pulling money out. >> they're the no. so this is a case of wall street. i mean, maybe traders and investors hunting around for the next weak link. that's what is happening. >> just before we move on to powell, these regional banks, especially smaller, they matter for communities. >> i know. >> they really do. the big banks get bigger and the smaller banks seem to be under a little more pressure. the microsoft is on their

investment investments that lost value. >> how are we going to feel this? >> this is really the most important consumer story out there, frankly. let's start with mortgage rates. if if you are buying a new home, you have seen this. mortgage rates a year ago when the fed started raising interest rates, 4%. now they're 6.43%. in real world terms, that means the house payment last year that was $2600 a month is now $3100 a month. that is $563 difference in the house payment on the same mortgage. that is more money. for auto loans, same deal. last year, 4.5% was the typical loan. today, just about 7%. that is about $63 more for the typical auto payment. every single month. >> that is real money. and credit cards, this is where it is the most dangerous. i've been sort of sounding this alarm. credit card debt is so much more expensive today than it was a year ago. of rates on credit cards last year were 14%. now they're record highs above

20%. it's 30% if you're using a store card which is incredibly dangerous if you're carrying a balance. an example, a credit card $2,000 balance on a credit card, you're going to add 11 more months to pay it off if you're paying that minimum payment f you're paying the minimum on that credit card. so, that's just really, really dumb debt. and so be very, very careful of that. that's what fed interest rate hikes mean. it means you're borrowing is more expensive. >> or just say no when they offer you a store card. thank you. >> you're welcome very much. kaitlan? >> also this morning, we're tracking new audio revealing how the mother of the suspect in that deadly shooting in atlanta yesterday actually helped track him down. >> there is an active shooter. a person shot. there was a female shot. she is seriously bleeding. black male about 6 feet tall wearing a hoodie.

between 20 and 25. deon patterson. caller is still on the phone with 911. it is her son. >> charges happening overnight. deon patterson whose mug shot you see here accused of killing one woman and wounding four others. he was taken into custody after a chaotic 8-hour manhunt. nick valencia is live. what are we hearing from police this morning? i know he's expected to appear in court. what are they saying? he is talking? what's the latest? >> well, we just got new information that gives us a potential insight into why he did what he did according to police. our affiliate wsb in atlanta spoke to his mother. according to the mother, he became agitated after he was denied a anti-anxiety prescription. according to police, he came here yesterday to this north side midtown medical facility because he was unhappy with the treatment that he was being given at the va. he opened fire killing a

38-year-old woman and injuring four otherse. one of them is in stable condition. according to police, patterson took off running. he stole an unattended car at a nearby gas station. and according to police, technology really played a part in helping capture this suspect b 20 minutes after he stole that vehicle, a license plate tag was caught on camera alerting police that he was in a northwest s suburb in cobb county. it was a plain clothed police officers that found paterson hiding in a pool area inside an apartment complex after neighbors alerted police to suspicious activity ending eight hours long manhunt here in the city of atlanta and beyond. later this morning, patterson is expected to make his first court appearance at 11:00 a.m. local time. charged with four counts of aggravated assault, one count of felony murder. his mother is still cooperating with police as is the coast guard. we should mention that paterson was a member of the coast guard between 2018 to 2023 and january

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it is congress' constitutional duty to prevent default. this is not an issue that we will negotiate on. the debt limit was increased three times under president trump. it should be no different this time. >> but it is.

and we are getting closer and closer to potential default. time is running out for washington to strike a debt ceiling deal. the u.s. government is in danger of running out of cash to pay bills as early as june 1st. that is according to janet yellen. that leads to america defaulting on the debt for first time ever. it is raising the stakes for a critical meeting set on tuesday with republican leaders mccarthy and mcconnell both expected to attend. you heard the white house standing firm insisting on a clean debt ceiling bill only. let's talk about this and a lot more with the democratic congressman of california adam schiff, also running for senate for senator dianne feinstein's seat in 2024. good morning. >> good morning. >> you're always remote. we never get you here in person. it's a pleasure. >> thank you. great to be with you. yeah. >> we heard your democratic colleague on the senate side say last night we're not going to default. can you actually guarantee that to the american people this morning? >> i don't know that i can. i think there are enough extreme maga people in the house

conference that would be perfectly fine just to see what would happen. and just because of the notoriety because so many. >> referee: o-- so many are onl interested in the notoriety of thip th things no matter good or bad. are they willing to destroy the nation's credit? i just don't know. but i think the president's absolutely right. you can't negotiate with people taking the whole economy hostage. if you do, then we're just going to go through this each and every year, every six months. there will be new demands both democratic and republican administrations have seen the debt limit increase on their watches for past debt. and we're doing the responsible thing. they're supposedly governing in the house. we're ready to put up votes to raise the debt ceiling. we just need at least a handful of them to do the right thing. >> i understand you think the who us is right here. and that republicans are acting recklessly with this. they did raise the debt ceiling under trump multiple times. we talked about that with every republican that's been on here.

in the end, is that position sustainable given that republicans do have a majority in the house? >> i think it is sustainable. we have to have a discussion over the budget when we do the budget. there is a proper time to be weighing, okay are the long-term fiscal consequences? how do we balance our budget? how do we pay down our debt? we should have the conversations. but we shouldn't have them threatening to destroy the american economy. if they go through with this, it's going to mean, you know, from my home state, californians are paying a lot more for mortgages and credit cards and they're paying a lot more or seeing their benefits cut and credit worthiness is going to be destroyed. you just can't risk economic catastrophe because you can't get your way in other ways. you just can't operate that way. >> couldn't you also say that white house is risking it? >> no. because the white house is doing what presidents of both parties have done which is to say this is not what we negotiate. america pays its bills.

that is nonnegotiable. let's talk about that in the context of the budget. but not threatening the country's economy. >> is there any chance republicans, some, could be persuaded to vote with democrats in your view? >> any number of republicans including many in california and in new york who are in biden won districts that would love a chance to not bring catastrophe to the country. they know that -- >> so that's a yes? >> yeah. >> if given the chance. que the question is, will mccarthy allow a vote and allow the members to support it? but if you're waiting for kevin mccarthy to do the right thing, you'll be waiting a long time. >> let me ask you about california and banks. pac west, oanother big californa bank is on the brink this morning. it may get bought. shares cut in half overnight. this following silicon valley bank closing. there are real questions about the regulators and the fed report, particularly the san

francisco federal reserve bank. you voted 2018 not to roll back some of the dodd-frank protections on the smaller and mid-sized banks. but a lot of the democratic colleagues voted for that rollback. was that an error? >> absolutely was a mistake. i oppose those rollbacks. i think we needed stronger supervision, not weaker. and now we see the detrimental impact. whether that change was fully responsible, i think the fed report indicates that they were aware of problems at svb. this was a failure of oversight. it wasn't like they didn't discover it because the regulations weren't what they should have been. and, so, there's, i think, a failure of oversight. there is a regulatory problem. and you have in some of the banks like svb terrible management that essentially put their own bonuses and other compensation ahead of the public interest and risked their depositors and risked the economy. >> switching subjects, i want to get your reaction to what was

just broke this morning. clarence thomas had a child in private school. har harlen crow was paying the tuition. he was taking them on vacations. they defended that. did he not report this. there is one disclosure where he reported someone paying for part of the tuition. did not report what came from harlan crow. >> it means he should be aware and should be reporting it. ? the past, did he report things like that. it is just another powerful evidence point that there needs to be a code of ethics in the supreme court. i think beyond that, there ought to be term limits on the court. i think we need to expand the court. they stacked it by withholding a nominee from one president to a democratic president and then jamming down a republican nominee. we have two justices on the court that changed the balance for generation. if it is left the way it is. but it begins with ethics. and clearly now with multiple

justices having serious questions raised about their ethics, there needs to be an enforceable code of ethics. >> who else are you talking about? >> there are allegations of other undisclosed transactions, property sales. there are allegations about compensation by spouses of justices with people with business before the court. multiple justices now, i think for which there are issues that ought to be investigated. and there ought to be a code of ethics. so there say clear standard when a justice is dealing with someone who has business before the court. we know what should be disclosed. the justices know. tlfl there is a mechanism to take action when they fall short. >> the justices are not only placing themselves above the law, by the way, all nine of them agreed they don't think they need to answer to anyone or to congress in this hearing this week. butting themselves above federal judges as well. do you think to kaitlan's

question, congress will act and impose what they can on the court? >> i think congress absolutely should act. i think there is probably more support now that it's not just about clarence thomas. because some of the republicans felt that these questions which are very legitimate were just directed at this particular justice. now there is a systemic problem. i would hope that would mean there is more support in congress to actually do something about it. but you're right. when you give people life tenure on anybody and you say there's no code of ethics that can touch you. much there's no enforcement mechanism, then you're going to see power corrupting. i think that is what we're seeing here. >> house oversight chair is now subpoenaing records from the fbi. he has subpoena power, of course. he claims they could show then vice president biden receiving bribes from a foreign national in exchange for policy favors. i should note the white house has strenuously denied. this we got zero evidence. we haven't seen anything of what

republicans are talking about. but he is coming out and saying this publicly, other republicans are as well. what do you make of that? >> you know, honestly, i don't think you can put much stock in anything that mr. comber has to say because his track record is very poor. when they put before these so-called whistle will blowers from congress, none of that born out. none represented what they said it would. it's been a fiasco. so, i don't know whether this is just pure speculation that they believe there say document of an interview. there are lots of interviews. it doesn't mean there is any wrongdoing. i wouldn't give much stock to this. but i'm not surprised they push out the unsubstantiated allegations. >> do you think the american people deserve to hear from this person and the fbi should answer these questions? >> at this point , it's the mos ram rampant speculation. all we have is someone's representation. he doesn't snowknow what it pers

to. >> you are running for senator feinstein's seat in california. she is not running for re-election. there are calls for her to step down. she's been out with a medical issue. she has not returned. it is impeding judicial nominations and confirmations. you have not called on her to resign. why not? >> i'm hearing and i'm getting all second hand she is coming back soon. i would like to give her a chance to recover from shingles. i have great respect for her. i hope she's come back this coming week. i hope she's back in good health. we do need her. but let's not forget the republicans refused her request to fill her seat. and, frankly, if she were to -- >> on the judiciary committee. >> frankly, if she were to leave tomorrow and someone new appointed would they seat them on the judiciary committee? i doubt it. i doubt it. and, so, this is a lot of republican gamesmanship, taking advantage of a senator who is

ill. i hope she comes back and comes back in good health. >> you said you hope she's back this week. if she's not, do you have a time line where it does come to where she needs to step down? >> you know, i don't want to set out a time line. i think that is ultimately a decision that senator feinstein will will make in consultation with senator schumer. but for her health, i hope she's back very soon. we need to get these judges confirmed. and i think the republicans who are making this argument which is so disingenuous that somehow they're ignoring senator feinstein's request out of respect for her that, is absurd. senator feinstein was sitting in the snenate and someone the couldn't come back, she would the first to say let's allow them to replace her. >> shingles is incredibly painful. we're thinking of her health as well. adam schiff, nice to you have here in person. a lot of questions and subjects we covered. >> thank you. >> thank you. also this morning, police and prosecutors here in new york

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this morning, the manhattan district attorney's office is conducting a, quote, rigorous and on going investigation after a man riding the new york subway died after he was held in a choke hold by a fellow passenger. officials have ruled jordan kneely's death homicide and police have questioned and now released, we should note, the 24-year-old former u.s. marine who was linked to restraining him. what have we heard from witnesses about what exactly was happening in this incident as this took place that led up to this choke hold? >> witnesses are saying that neily was acting erratically but not harming anyone. so there is a lot of questions that still need to be answered here. they're looking at that autopsy report that came out. it is conducting their own interviews and also looking at

any video that some witnesses shot on that train to kind of make a determination if charges are going to be filed in this case. you see some of that video as well for yourself. they're prompting protests in new york city. >> protesters chanting on the new york city subway platform where jordan neily who was killed by a subway rider after being placed in a choke hold. juan vazquez who recorded this said he was fed up and hungry and tired of having nothing. another passenger described neily as acting erratically. he had not tacked anyone on the train despite this, a passenger came up from if behind and placed neily in a choke hold. other passengers are seen in the video helping restrain him. and nypd officers were seen after trying to administer cpr. cnn cannot endepeindependently

confirmed what happened and they don't know how long neily was restrained. they ruled neily's death a homicide. the manhattan district attorney says they're investigating his death. >> this highlights what i've been saying throughout my administration. people are dealing with mental heal health illness should get p the help they need. >> eric adams was criticized for directing first responders and the nypd to involuntary commit people experiencing a mental health crisis as part of an attempt to address concerns about homelessness and crime. and in october 2022, adams and new york governor announced an initiative to have a stronger police presence on new york city subways after a string of violent crimes. >> we want to have a more significant presence. visible presence. we'll do whatever we can, whatever is necessary to keep new yorkers safe. >> the use of choke holds by the nypd came under scrutiny after

the 2014 death of eric gardiner by police. the practice was eventually banned from use by arresting officers. this incident has drawn attention of many local officials. congresswoman is calling it murder. and the controller sweeting new york city, quote, is not gotham. we must not become a city where a mentally ill human being can be choked by a vigilante without consequence. as far as the comments, the mayor was on cnn last night saying they are not responsible at the moment. he says he wants to take a pause and see how the district attorney's investigation plays out and we'll be following that for you. >> yeah. he told us, we'll have to wait to see what the investigation finds. thank you for that. aeighth graders scoring low in history and civics. we'll explain what is behind that downward trend. also this. >> this is miss denver coleman.

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it's often said that history r repeats itself. scores in history and civics is down across the country for eighth graders. they dropped by five points from 2018 to 2022, a down trend that began nine years ago. unfortunately continued. another negative, 2022 also marked the first ever score drop for civics classes. only 14% of students reached at or above what is considered a proficient mark in history. it was 22% in civics.

secretary of education said the statement that the report underscores the profound impact that the pandemic had on student learning and subjects beyond math and reading. here's a sample u.s. history question that is deemed medium difficulty. question is, what were the european explorers such as henry hudson looking for when they sailed across the coast and rivers of north america in the 1600s? one more, an open ended civics question categorized as hard. many citizens of the u.s. believe the federal government should work with other nations to develop ways to protect the environment. what are two ways other than military action countries can act together to address environmental issues? those are the kinds of questions that are on these exams. if they can figure that out for the sake of the world, of course, that would be great. but this is really alarming. i mean, it is cliche to say history repeats itself. that is part of all this and informing people and making sure people know what is happening in the past. >> and the best leaders have

always thought in business or in government are people who know and understand and learn from history. right? and i also think the learning loss, what secretary said right there, we talk a lot more what it meant to have schools closed. >> a massive impact. days after the collapse of first republic bank, los angeles-based pac west is pacific western bank this morning is on edge. frankly, wall street shares tumbling as a result. the sharesst bank down 50% after hours yesterday after it said it is exploring all strategic options including a sale. in a statement though on the website, the pac west leaders write, the company has been approached by several partners and investors. discussions on going. the company will continue to evaluate all options. the bank has not experienced any out of the ordinary deposit flows following the sale of first republic and other news. let's talk will what is happening here, where this goes

with "the new york times" reporter covering pac west extensively during this banking crisis. why pac west now? their numbers show 75% of the deposits are insured as of earlier this week. they haven't seen big outflows. it doesn't appear that there is a run on this bank. ri >> right. when i look at pac west, there was a huge conference for investors. this was the number one concern was short investors basically, investors that invest against the stock. they were all betting against first republic. that's what helped drive down the shares. now that first republic is gone, who is next? it looks like ththey attacked p who on paper look similar to first republic but the big difference is today they haven't lost a lot of deposits. so, while the fundamental business hasn't changed, investors attacking it create

uncertainty that wasn't there does that almost become a self-fulfilling prophecy. >> is that what this is? is it a self-fulfilling prophecy? what happened with first republic felt like a leftover of what we saw happen with svb? is this repeating it self and it would not have happened had those banks not failed? >> banks, it's a confidence industry. there is a lack of confidence in regional bank as cross the u.s. that is what the government is dealing with. >> you bring up such a good point. this is not like 2008 which all the leaders said. you had repeat really crappy stuff in 2008, to say the least. that's not the bafrmginnking sy that we're in today. that's no the what wear talking about. the fact that you're saying that short sellers could be sl

demolishing these banks is troubling. >> it is capitalism. there is a whole debate on whether or not short sellers are good or bad and they have got a lot of backlash. >> that's fair. >> this is nothing like the 2008 banking crisis. it took a while for -- >> ten years. >> exactly. so, you know, it kind of went along. so there is no reason as of now to freak out, for lack of a technical term. but it is concerning and alarming. you do want to contain it and not let it spiral. >> i think regional banking executives would like people to shout that from the roof louder. how does the interest rate raise from jerome powell play in this? >> i think they kind of baked it n the big question now is whether or not he raises it in the future. if he kind of indicated yesterday that he may take a pause. i think that will give people --

i think a lot of people are pushing for that. they don't they think the economy can handle many more hikes. >> may be last one for a while. >> you're reporting on this is great. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. russia, without any evidence, accusing the united states of being behind a drone attack on the kremlin. john kirby from the house will join us live. we'll get his response to that. also, a new investigation broke this morning reveals billionaire harlan crow paid for the tuition fees for a family member of supreme court justice clarence thomas who was raising this grand nephew as a son. more on that investigation next. s to always support the people who l live and work there. because you call these communities hohome, and we do too. pnc bank.

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>> on september 14th, we were able to have our first ultrasound. we saw baby. we were extremely excited. >> baby number four or derek and kiniata. a girl named denver. they were excited. but then at their routine 30-week ultrasound, a nightmare began. >> i saw my doctor and we sat down and she shared with me that something wasn't right in terms of the baby's brain and also her heart was enlarged. >> reporter: the concern was this. that big colorful masseur looking at in baby denver's brain is a vein of gala malformation. it shouldn't exist. simply put, this vein was getting too much blood and too quickly. >> ironically, despite this blood going to the brain, it's not supplying brain tissue. it's just going through the

malformation like a short circuit to the heart. >> reporter: a radiologist at boston children's hospital typically treats these rare malformations right after a baby is born. but too often that can be too late. >> 50 to 60% of babies will get very sick immediately. for those, it looks like there is about a 40% mortality. >> reporter: so the team offered canada and derek something new. a chance to treat denver before she was born in-utero. keep in mind, in-utero surgery also means they had to take two patients to the operating room instead of one and then very carefully thread a catheter right into the middle of that gigantic blood vessel inside a very tiny baby brain. what was the biggest risk? >> i would say the biggest risk is the fear of injury to the brain. we are accessing the head through the skull and through the dura and back into the

collecting vein. >> reporter: in order to accomplish this, she was taken to the operating room and given an epidural and then denver was rotated into the right position and given anesthesia to keep her from moving. >> after learning she was in the ideal position, that was confirmation for me. like there is no backing out of this. >> reporter: baby is in-utero. baby is flipped so that the back of the head is towards the abdominal wall. this would be towards you as the surgeon here. needle is going to go then through the abdominal wall of mom and then through the ox sip tall bone right here. at that point we introduce the micro catheter through the needle and up to the sinus to get to the vein. and through that needle these tiny coils were used to fill up the vein and change that big colorful mass into something that looks like this. the actual procedure itself took just around 20 minutes. two days later, denver was born,

happy, healthy, both baby and family. >> so this is miss denver coleman and she is about to change the world. >> so what you just saw there is the first time a procedure like that has been performed successfully to actually try to address a brain malformation like that, as you saw in baby denver. it's fascinating stuff. i have to tell you, you know, the procedure took 20 minutes, but it's about five years of planning to give you some idea. just even figuring out how thick would the bone be when a baby is at that level of gestation, how many coils to you have to put in there, all these things. they plan meticulously ahead of time. they have tried this before in years past but this time they is it and it worked. >> we were talking about how remarkable medicine is and on babies in-utero, san jay.

what kind of impact does this remarkable procedure have on the field as a whole? >> well, we have been seeing in-utero operations being done successfully for quite some time now, but i think when it comes to actually looking at these blood vessels, the blood vessels are still forming in the brain, changing in the brain, that's sort of been as dr. orbak put it, a black box. that has been the sort of area they had the most challenges still. now we've seen what is possible. so i think what this means is now that you have seen it, you have seen successfully, medicine they have seen it, the world has seen it, i think it opens up a range of possibilities now. so i think you are going to get a lot more of these procedures being fermented. >> you are in atlanta right now. i want to ask you what happened in atlanta yesterday as we watched in chaotic manhunt after that shooting happened at a medical center. the victims were taken to the hospital where you operate, grady memorial hospital. it's the only one level one

trauma hospital in the city. that's a big point of consternation for a lot of people who live there. how often are your colleagues treating these gunshot victims? what is it like for them to have to deal with this on such a regular basis? >> well, just quickly, from the background for us is when there is a question of a mass casualty incident, you may remember at to first they not there could be up to 12 patients, we get these alerts and are made aware. operating rooms are put on stand-by. all these things go into effect. and grady, this is what they do. they are really, really good at this. but i think your questions are really important because let me give you some context here. last year in 2022, we took care of 1215 patients with gunshot wounds. more than 100 a month. more than three a day on average. so this was, obviously, sad and tragic what happened yesterday. it happens all the time.

we see this all the time at places like grady. there was a weekend last summer i remember when i was operating, 17 patients came in one weekend all with gunshot wounds. the numbers of patients with gunshot wounds have been increasing steadily and the severity of those types of injuries have been increasing as well. so we are trained, obviously, to do this. i mean, trauma surgeons, that's what we do. but it is an increasing majority of the types of patients we care for. >> yeah. and it's not just when there is a mass manhunt like there was yesterday. this happens on a regular basis. sanjay gupta, thank you for your perspective on that, for that great report. >> you got it. thank you. "cnn this morning" continues right now. an explosive accusation from russia this morning. moscow is blaming the united states for the mysterious drone attack on the kremlin.

national security council spokesman john kirby will join us live in moments with the white house response. apparently, not just luxury vacations. an investigative report out just a few moments ago that found that the billionaire gop megadonor also paid for justice clarence thomas' nephew to go to school. why it was not disclosed ahead. nordstrom closing in san francisco. is it because of crime? we will talk to the chief economist. this hour of "cnn this morning" starts right now. russia now accusing the united states of being behind that drone attack on the kremlin that we first reported here yesterday. vladimir putin's spokesperson making this claim which we schanote is a baseless one this morning. no evidence to back it up. he said we are aware of