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a verdict in the proud boys trial. four out of the five members of the far right group facing seditious conspiracy charges were found guilty while all five were found guilty of conspiracy to obstruct congress. all of this related to their roles in the january 6th insurrection. a high-tech manhunt ends with an arrest. police track down the suspect in a deadly atlanta shooting with a network of cameras and an old-fashioned tip from the public. the suspect's mother speaking out this morning about the shooting, as well. and the worst wave of attacks on ukraine so far this year. kyiv rappelled a barrage of strikes and russia faces attacks after the drone explosion over the kremlin. still unclear who was behind that attack, but the u.s. calls russia's accusation ukraine did it on orders from the u.s., quote, ridiculous. we are following these major developing stories and many more all coming in here to "cnn news central."

four members of the proud boys have just been found guilty of seditious conspiracy. jurors deliberating on the fate of five members of the far right extremist group for more than seven days, and the four who were found guilty on the seditious conspiracy charge were the proud boys chairman, enrico tareo as well as zachary rell. we have more from outside of the courthouse. what's the latest from there? >> reporter: just a few hours ago we did get a verdict from a jury after months of this trial where the justice department has sought to prove that these men agreed upon trying to overthrow the u.s. government and the jury found four of those men, the leaders of the proud boys, guilty. they are still deliberating related to the fate of one

person who has also been already convicted by this jury of things that he did that day on january 6th. but the big centerpiece of this case where prosecutors were trying to prove and they were arguing to the jury that these men came together, they made an agreement, and then they worked toward making sure that there was violence after the 2020 election, that they were radicalizing their followers, and on january 6th they had a plan to get not just their followers but other trump supporters on the grounds of the national mall and the u.s. capitol so revved up that those people would want to overcome the police force and get inside the building. all of that the jury does seem to be agreeing with, especially with those verdicts returned related to seditious conspiracy, obstruction, and conspiracy to obstruct the proceeding on january 6th. those are very, very big things for the jury to have found at this point in this case. they are going to keep

deliberating, but i did want to just make and underline exactly how serious the seditious conspiracy charge is. it's not one that the justice department brings often, and it's certainly one that is difficult for the justice department to secure in court, to have judges allow it to go forward to trial and have juries find people guilty of it. and it is a charge that says that the justice department has to prove there was a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or destroy by force the u.s. government, to levy war potentially against the government, to oppose by force the authority of the united states or by force to prevent, inder, or delay the execution of any law. that is the charge now that four members of the proud boys have been found guilty of. >> very serious. thank you so much. i want to bring in former u.s. attorney michael moore. he is also a partner at moore hall in atlanta. to that point, how novel, michael, is this verdict?

>> well, i'm glad to be with you all. it's a novel case to bring. i mean, it's unusually to see the government bring this type of charge. you just don't see it. it's sort of an antiquated statute that was used back in civil war times. so to bring it now -- it was fitting, i think the government had a good case, moved forward not just on this but on the oathkeepers case. you've seen significant cases and significant outcomes in the trials they've pursued. and with a mountain of evidence, you know, i might add, that the jury had on this consider. >> yeah. they sure did. what's next? will there be an appeal? >> i think it's likely there will be an appeal, and i think there are takeaways from the case. number one, i did think it took a little bit long for the jury to deliberate, about a week, in the face of that evidence. i think if you're in the camp of some folks who may be charged later, you may take some comfort in that. at the same time, the jury found that even one of these defendants who wasn't present at the time but who was involved in discussions and planning and

comments and things, that in fact he was guilty of seditious conspiracy. if you're a prospective defendant in some other cases you would take no comfort in that because you could be charged, as well. there will be sentencing, an appeal. i think you'll see the jury come back in short order with the last defendant to make some decisions. and ultimately i expect probably those convicted will spend a significant amount of time in federal prison. >> does this have any impact on the special counsel's investigation of former president trump's actions when it relates to january 6th? >> well, it gives them a shot in the arm, i'll say that. the fact that there was a conviction in the case. you will recall in this case with the proud boys, actually some of their lawyers argued that it was trump's fault. actually told the jury, you know, it's not our people, it was trump that encouraged this. well, the jury found their clients guilty, but it's certainly starting to tie the knot a little bit tighter for

jack smith as he moves forward with his investigation. and i think, again, it certainly is -- it looks more favorably today for his investigation given the guilty verdict than had it been a not guilty. >> michael moore, always great to have you. thank you so much. jessica? moscow is pointing the finger at washington baselessly claiming the u.s. directed ukraine to carry out this alleged drone strike on the kremlin. kyiv has denied involvement, and so has the u.s. here's what a top white house official told cnn earlier today about this latest assertion from russia. >> there's a word that comes to mind that i'm obviously not appropriate to use on national tv, i would tell you mr. preskov is lying. the united states didn't have anything to do with this. i can assure you the united states had no role in it whatsoever. >> strong words from the administration there. for russia, though, it may not matter who did this. vladimir putin's forces have already used it as a pretext for

retaliation, unleashing a fierce wage of attacks on kyiv and other ukrainian cities. drones that fired on odesa even had messages on them. take a look. this reads from moscow and for the kremlin, that's according to the ukrainian military. cnn's nick paton walsh is in ukraine, and kyiv is seeing its worst attacks in months. we know that an oil refinery was hit in russia. it seems that both sides are really escalating here. >> reporter: yeah, certainly, what we've been seeing is an increased tempo of russian strikes often hitting civilian areas as far as we can see. last night kyiv saying that the last three nights were kind of the worst since the year began. last night, many drones taken down out of the sky, not actually hitting targets in the capital. similar story over odesa, as well, in the south of the country. so compared to previous nights

where we've seen cities across the country with civilian targets hit and the loss of life last night not the worst, but yesterday in kherson city, recently liberated from russian occupiers, 24 lost their lives in the shelling of a shopping center and railway station. clear civilian areas being hit by repeated shelling. now, this isn't really i think the escalation ukrainians are worried about. when russia in the statement where they presented no evidence but said there'd been an attempted assassination by the president said that they reserve the right to retaliate. even today, the kremlin spokesperson didn't go into what that would necessarily mean. he said that vladimir putin was calm and considered after this incident, and even referred to how the damage to the kremlin roof was two bits of copper that probably would get fixed later on today. a lot of concern about what this may be teeing up in terms of russian response, but ukraine's counteroffensive likely imminent. >> all right. nick paton walsh with the latest from ukraine.

thank you so much for that update. now we've got details, you guys have some analysis over here. >> let's figure out how credible these claims are. joining me now, we have someone who knows a thing or two about this, retired brigadier general steve anderson. to get to the claim that this was a ukrainian strike on the kremlin, let's look at the sites of ukrainian strikes on russian territory so far. here's the border of ukraine, they've been able to strike belgrade, just a couple dozen miles away from ukraine, down in crimea, certainly accessible from ukrainian territory, also in kraznadar. this would be 300 miles into -- draw a straight line -- 300 miles in a straight line into ukrainian territory. how credible is that? >> it is not credible. there's flow way i think that the ukrainian drones would be able to penetrate some of the most sophisticated air defenses in the world. 500 miles or so from kyiv all the way to moscow, it's just not going to happen. that's not a scenario that's

reasonable. >> and i imagine those air defenses would be particularly intent on protecting this area here. >> absolutely. they'd be focused on moscow, and they have, again, incredibly efficient and effective air defenses. the last time that any kind of penetration occurred was in 1987, 35 years ago, with a little piper cub that was able to fly into red square. but since then, it's been locked down pretty tight. and certainly with the war going on, they're going to be incredibly effective. >> let's look at the strikes. this is where russia has struck since this welcome to on the kremlin, calling them in effect retaliatory strikes. they've been hitting kharkiv, certainly a frequent target, close to russian territory down here in kherson, recently taken back from russia by ukrainian forces. and of course the capital, kyiv. lot of talk about targeting the ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy. are these attempts to do that? >> there might very well, jim. that would be something i'd be very worried about. you know, the false flag that i think that we saw yesterday of

attack on the kremlin, maybe sets the stage for, look, they went after me, vladimir putin saying now it's my turn to go after zelenskyy. so i would definitely, if i was on a security detail, zelenskyy's security, i would definitely step up my game. you know, this is terrorizing the people, terrorizing the president, something that -- that's how they've been playing this whole thing. that's their only real play. >> you mentioned false flag. that would be a madison attack claimed to be -- russian attack claimed to be an ukrainian attack. russia attempted several of these when i was there at the start of the invasion which u.s. intelligence exposed. hey, these are not ukrainian attacks, it's a russian prop plan here. we had a remarkable charge made by a former russian lawmaker who spoke to matthew chance about another possibility for the origin of this attack. have a listen, and i want to get your reaction. >> are any of these partisans supported by the ukrainian special services, for instance? because ukraine says it's got nothing to do with this attack. do you believe that claim?

>> look, ukraine indeed has nothing to do with this. because it's organized by russians. >> he's saying this could be a russian attack on russia. partisans, those who oppose the leadership of vladimir putin. credible? >> it's a recredible scenario, t likely but it's possible. these are large drones. they'd have to hide them in a shipping container or truck, get it close to moscow, perhaps pull them out, launch them. i mean, those kind of things could happen, but i think it's pretty unlikely. i think it's a false flag operation that has occurred, and we're seeing, you know, the reaction to that. >> part of that false flag operation would be the follow-on, a message for the kremlin on one of the russian drones fired at ukraine in the wake of all this, retired general steve anderson, thank you so much. jessica? we have some breaking news to tell you about. a verdict in the copyright trial involving pop singer ed sheeran, he's accused of stealing the

musical composition of his grammy-winning song "thinking out loud" for marvin gaye's classic "let's get it on." we have more from outside the courthouse. what is the verdict? >> reporter: yes, well, as you said, the verdict is in, and the jury has found ed sheeran not liable, he did not infringe on marvin gaye's "let's get it on," his 1973 hit. the verdict has just come out moments ago. we are waiting for ed sheeran, his attorneys, and katherine townsend and her attorneys, to make their way out. we're hoping that perhaps they will address reporters right here behind me. but this is a very significant moment for the music industry. ed sheeran said when he took the stand in his testimony that this was a common four chord progression, and attorneys for ed sheeran laid it oall out ove a few days showing that this fore-chord progression that is in "let's get it on" and also in

ed sheeran's "thinking out loud" was commonplace, it was in dozens of songs before "thinking out loud," and in songs that predate "let's get it on. "so ed sheeran had said if you all do this and make it so that every time a musician has to go to the townsend family to use this four-chord progression that i'm done, i can't even be a musician anymore. and it made -- they made very strong closing arguments, ed sheeran's legal team, saying this would stifle the creativity of musicians everywhere, and that that is not what copyright law is all about. it is to obviously protect music and protect one's intellectual property, but at the same time allow for creativity. so it's a big moment. we are expecting ed sheeran to hopefully say a few words, and obviously this news is just breaking now. we will keep you posted. >> all right. stand by. we will check back in with you. i just want to play the sound byte for everybody, i want to play the music so they can hear

it, then we're going to go to our legal commentator. take listen at home. ♪ darling i will be loving you 'til we're 70 ♪ ♪ let's get it on oh babe let's get it on ♪ >> so again, there's the music in question. and the jury finding ed sheeran not liable here. let's bring in attorney and legal affairs commentator areva martin. it's great to see you. chloe was talking about how impactful this is for the music industry, that this really came down to creativity. ed sheeran say figure he can't have that four-chord progression he can't be creative. what do you make of this verdict? >> yeah, i'm not suppliesed by the verdict -- surprised by the verdict. very difficult case. obviously the townsend family felt passionate that ed sheeran had, you know, used the

four-chord progression that was in the song that was co-written with marvin gaye by their father, but i think what was impactful for the jury was that ed sheeran was able to put on evidence that this four-chord progression was used in songs even before marvin gaye and townsend recorded that very popular song by marvin gaye. and i think that had a big impact on this jury because ultimately if the court, the four-chord progression was used before "let's get it on," then it's difficult to make a claim that the townsend family was entitled to damages for ed sheeran using something that had already been used by other musicians. >> and what do you think this means for copyright cases like this moving forward within the music industry? >> these cases are always pretty challenging cases to establish liability. and i think this case will make it even more difficult. that was the case that ed sheeran and his team was making was, look, in pop culture, in

pop music, i should say, this fore-chord progression is used in lots of songs. and if there had been a determination that he was liable for damages or that this was, in fact, copyright infringement, you would have seen a slew of lawsuits by lots of artists, and it would have made it difficult for artists to make songs and to be free from those lawsuits. this is a significant verdict. i think it's a significant verdict for other songwriters, as well. >> right. really setting that precedents moving forward. areva martin, thank you so much for your expertise. we appreciate it. again, ed sheeran found not liable in that copyright case. he put one of america's biggest cities on edge for hours. thanks to some incredible police work, license plate readers and a vigilant citizen, a suspected ki killer is in custody. a fascinating capture. plus, death on the subway. a rider puts another man in a choke hold and then he dies. much of it caught on video.

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today we are learning more about how police were able to capture this moon here, deion patterson. the 24-year-old military veteran is suspected of fatally shooting a woman and injuring four others at an atlanta medical facility before evading police for nearly eight hours across two counties. newly released dispatch audio from the moments after the deadly shooting shows patterson's mother helping in the search for her son. >> they're advising an active shooter, person shot. advise a female shot. she appears to be bleeding. shot in the back. black male about six-feet tall wearing a black hoodie between the ages of 20 and 25. named deion patterson. the caller is still on the phone with 911 advising it's going to

be her son. >> cnn's nick valencia is outside the fulton county jail where deion patterson is being held. patterson did waive his right to his first court appearance today. what do we know about the condition of the victims at this point? >> reporter: it was last hour that we got an update from the grady hospital where there's three victims, four victims altogether, three of them still in the intensive care unit. a fourth is in stable condition. and of those in the icu, two of them are expected to go back to the operating table with the third hopefully stable enough to be released from the icu, that's according to grady's chief medical officer. but perhaps the biggest news from the press conference last hour was that two of those victims were alert enough to speak to the doctor. he said in the press conference that they are obviously traumatized by what happened, but they are also filled with gratitude. >> they have been traumatized, they are very grateful for the

support and care they've received. they realize that this is a horrific event, and the fact that they were in a health care facility just makes it worse. >> reporter: now since patterson waived his right to first appearance, we asked what's next. he will most likely have another hearing, but that date has not yet been set. >> and nick, the mother of the suspect released a statement. can you tell us what she's saying? >> reporter: yeah, she was an advocate for her son. but she also led the statement to her local affiliate wanf by apologizing to all those who were touched by yesterday's tragedy. she did also take time to mention in her statement just how much she believed that mental health was a factor in all of this saying "this mental illness is real, and when we say it's real from the medical standpoint it is real. when someone is saying they need help or you see that they are acting out of sorts, they need help. help them. just don't disregard them."

so you know, you see the focus there being put on mental health by the mother. she did tell our local affiliate wsb that her son became agitated after being denied a prescription for ativan, an anti-anxiety medication. >> thank you so much. jessica? no charges at this hour in a case the manhattan da calls a, quote, rigorous homicide investigation. a 30-year-old man was put in a choke hold and died monday, and we want to warn you that this video we're about to show you is very disturbing. a source said the man with the white t-shirt was homeless, his name, jordan neeli. the witness who took this video said he had been, quote, acting erratically, and that's when another subway rider came up from behind and put him in that choke hold for at least three minutes. neely was later pronounced dead at the hospital. cnn has not confirmed what happened before the video was taken. omar jimenez is joining us now. before you give us details, we

know you just got new information about this victim, jordan neely. tell us. >> reporter: yeah. so this happened at the subway stop behind me, but part of what we're learning is a witness is saying that based on what he saw, there's no way that these two would have interacted before this actually unfolded. that's because the witness says as soon as neely entered the subway car he began yelling almost immediately. according to this witness, he was yelling, "i don't care if i die, i don't care if i go to jail, i don't have any food, i'm done." not long after, that's when the witness says that this other passenger came up behind jordan neely and put him in a choke hold that at the least lasted several minutes. and once the train stopped, passengers ran off. and this witness says despite any of the frightening behavior is how he described it that was happening beforehand, he didn't see neely specifically attack anyone before this happened.

but nevertheless, neely lost consciousness, was later pronounced dead. the medical examiner classified that death as being because of the compression of the neck. as you mentioned, no charges have been filed at this point. but a law enforcement source telling cnn this man has been interviewed and was released, and that all of this is part of an investigation. i should also mention a law enforcement source says this man is a 24-year-old former marine with no apparent criminal record. >> all right. omar jimenez. thank you so much for that update. we appreciate it. jim? we are watching the markets and dow stocks dropping hundreds of points, close to 300 points now, as concerns grow about regional banks. ahead, what the degree of concerns are and what this all means for you. mattress and it's designed to help make aches and pains... a thing of the past... because only tempur-pedic uses our one-of-a-kind, incredibly adaptive tempur® material... to relieve pressure points and supporort your body, inin a way no other mattress can.

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major regional bank in danger. what's happening? >> reporter: yeah, pacwest losing almost half of its value today. you know, any time you see a major bank down by that much in a single day, it is, of course, very concerning. pacwest confirming that it's exploring all options, that is basically code for they need some help right now. importantly, though, pacwest, they say that they have not experienced any, quote, out-of-the ordinary deposit flows after the failure of first republic. but this is not just about pacwest. another regional bank, western alliance, down sharply, as well, today, after the "financial times" reported that it, too, is up -- potentially up for sale. western alliance, though, pushing back very strongly, saying this is categorically false, they iran exploring a sale. all of this weighing on the broader stock market. we see u.s. stocks down again several days in a row at this point. u.s. officials, they are stressing that the banking system is sound.

we heard that from jerome powell just jyesterday. it's important to emphasize there's a difference between what's happening with bank stocks and deposits. deposits, according to officials, have stabilized. stocks not so much. >> well, the concern is these become self-fulfilling prophecies, right, because one thing can spark another thing. that is the concern. i do want to show you something and get your thoughts. in 2008 the banking crisis, 25 banks failed. the total value of those banks, $364 billion. in 2023 the three bank failures so far exceeds that, almost by, well, almost by -- almost double, $552 billion. different causes to these crises, of course, 2008 was a failure of mortgage-backed securities. this one a -- really a combination of not predicting or adjusting to higher interest rates. how do -- when i look at that i think goodness, we're in a similar danger zone.

>> this is not 2008. this is -- this is different. i mean, banks are much stronger today than they were in 2008 because regulators made them get much stronger. and this is not a . but there are clearly major weaknesses in parts of the banking system, and this is happening in large part because the federal reserve spiked interest rates to try to get inflation under control. history shows that when they do that, something tends to break, and we have seen something break in the banking system. but here's why i think this is really important -- the risk is a credit crunch that really slows the economy. because the more nervous bankers are, the less likely they are to lend to all of us. and that can have a real impact on the economy. >> and we should note, tighten regulations for some but not regional banks. they were tightened and rolled back, legislation passed during the trump administration, and we're seeing some effects of

that. thank you so much. we have -- singer ed sheeran giving a statement live after he was found not liable in his copyright trial. let's listen. >> being fueled by individuals who are -- good morning, good afternoon, everyone. thank you so much for being out here. i'm obviously very happy with the outcome of the case, and it looks like i'm not having to retire from my day job after all. at the same time, i'm unbelievably frustrated that baseless claims like this are allowed to go to court. absolutely. we spent the last eight years talking about two songs with dramatically different lyrics, melodies, and four chords which are also different and used by some writers every day all over the world. these chords are common building blocks which are used to create music, one before "let's get it on" was written, and will be used to make music long after we are all gone. they are in a songwriter's alphabet, a tool kit. and no one -- the way "all the way there" played in the way that nobody owns "the color

blue." unfound ed claims are being fueled by individuals offered as music experts for musical analysis. in this instance, the other side's musicologist left out words and notes and by doing so created what i think we proved for all to see were misleading comparisons and disinformation to find supposed similarities where none exist. and i think we proved for all to see that they tried to manipulate my song to try and convince the jury that they had genuine claim. i'm very grateful that the jury saw through the attempts. this may seem -- this seems so dangerous to me both potential claimants who may be convinced to bring a bogus claim as well as songwriters facing them. it's simply wrong. by stopping this practice, we can also properly support genuine music copyright claims with the end result. if the jury had decided this matter the other way, we might as well say good-bye to the creative -- we need to be able

to write our original music and engage in independent creation without worrying that every step of the way that such creativity would be wrongly called into question. like artists everywhere, amy and i work hard to independently create songs which are often based around real-life personal experiences. it's devastating to be accused of stealing someone else's song when we put so much work into our livelihoods. i'm just a guy with a guitar who loves writing music for people to enjoy. i am not and will never allow myself to be a piggy bank for anyone to shake. having to be in new york for this trial has meant that i've missed being with my family, my grandmother's funeral in ireland, and i will never get that time back. these trials take a significant toll on everyone involved, including catherine. i want to thank the jury for making the decision that will help protect the creative process of songwriters here in the united states and all around the world. i also want to thank my team, these guys, who supported me throughout this difficult process and to all the songwriters, musicians, and friends, who reached out over the last few weeks. finally, i would like to thank

amy. neither of us ever expected that nine years ago from our wonderful writing session that we would be here having to defend our intaking tee. i feel like lucky to have you in my life, thank you. we need writers and the wider communities to bring back common sense. these claims made it to be stopped so the creative process can carry on and we can go back to making music. and at the same time, we absolutely need trusted individuals, real experts, who help support the process and protecting copyright. thank you. >> all right. clearly a relieved ed sheeran, but also one frustrated by the process of this court case that has taken a lot of time and many years. but this is what it said -- ultimately the jury deciding ed sheeran did not infringe on the copyright of that song by marvin g gaye, "let's get it on." still ahead this afternoon, homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas is headed to the border. his message as cities brace for

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iowa is on track to roll back child labor protections. the republican-led legislature there just passed a bill that includes allowing teens to work more hours. this is the headline that follows a disturbing labor department report that looked into child labor law violations. the agency found that hundreds of children were working at mcdonald's locations in indiana, maryland, and ohio, and in kentucky two ten-year-olds were even found on the job. we have cnn's tom foreman who is here with us now. let's start actually with this mcdonald's in louisville specifically. what were 10-year-olds doing there? >> reporter: pretty much everything, as far as we can tell. if you look -- they worked as late as 2:00 in the morning. they prepared and distributed food. they cleaned the store. beyond that some of them were working the drive-through outside. they even had a case of one that was working the deep fryer in this place. all of which would be something that would be considered off limits here. mcdonald's corporate, not very happy about these meals.

>> i'm sure. >> they put out a statement saying they're very unhappy about what they found. they're disturbed by what they found in the area there. and the mcdonald's statement essentially says this is not the kind of values that we represent as a company. these reports are unacceptable, deeply troubling, and run afoul of the high expectations we have more the entire middle sch schschools -- entire mcdonald's brand. >> these are mcdonald's. they have a stake in this. we did mention that iowa appears ready to be the latest state trying to roll back child labor laws. walk us through some of what is being proposed but why it's being proposed. >> a lot of states are proposing versions saying, you know, there's a labor shortage, there are a lot of kids who can get valuable labor experience in the field. but you have to remember that there are limits even in these cases. for example, for teens to serve alcohol may must have written permission from the parent or guardian, they must have two adults present in iowa. there are other rules that are federal rules that govern the hours that kids can work, the -- the moon of time they can work, what times of day they can work,

all of these things are out there. certain types of work that -- for 14 and 15-year-olds, industrial laundry services, in freezers and meat coolers, also in the iowa provisions there. so this is a lot of stuff that there is a -- an argument going on about that you can maybe have a legitimate argument about, but the labor department is saying, look, there's no legitimate argument that depends the idea of ten-year-olds doing the kind of work they found here and march unemployment rate in iowa, 2.8%. they're fighting to find people there. beyond that, they have found hundreds and a rising number of violations of kids working around the country this year. so this isn't isolated to one state or another. more and more places, businesses are trying to say you know if we can just get the kids to work more and bring a few more kids in, they're getting valuable experience. others are saying you're endangering them, and you're pushing them away from finishing their educations which could impact their whole lives even if it helps your business for now. >> you can set them who a path that they may not return from.

>> no question. >> a 10-year-old. pull up to the drive-through and imagine the double take you would do if you saw a 10-year-old. thank you so much for this. jim? coming up, four members of the proud boys convicted of seditious conspiracy tied to their actions leading up to january 6th. why the jury is still deliberating at this hour. this is... ♪ this is iowa. just haven't been properly introduced. say hello to the place where rolling hills mes low bills. where our fiel, inside and out, are always growing. and where the fun is just getting started. this is iowa. so, when are you coming to see us? ♪

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