samaritans, that is incredible video. thank you very much. great to see you. i'm alisyn camerota, welcome to" cnn tonight." we have quite a show for you this evening. we're going to be talking about big ethical problems for clarence thomas. "the washington post" reports that justice thomas's wife ginni thomas was paid roughly $100,000 by a conservative activist who made sure that ginni's name was not on any of the billing statements. that's not all, we're going to bring you even more reporting on more gifts and perks that clarence thomas took from that billionaire republican donor. wait until you hear what our panelists have to say about all of this. plus, new york city mayor eric adams talking about crime and drugs and the danger to children in his own city. >> 9 and 10-year-olds, our babies are saying i'm feeling depressed. they start their day going to the corner bodega buying

cannabis and fentanyl and sit in the classroom and try to learn. they look at tiktok that's teaching them how to steal cars. young boy was burned 85% of his body because he did a tiktok challenge. >> the mayor says more prayer is the answer. we'll discuss that. and why is america losing it? why are we behaving so badly to our fellow humans on airplanes at ball games, when did we lose our common decency? we're going to bring you the story of a high school baseball empire, a disabled vet getting punched out by a parent. we have more of these as well. our thought provoking panel on what is happening to us. let's start with the supreme court, senators on both sides of the aisle now calling for the high court to fix its ethics issues. >> i just think that the american people expect the supreme court to be above politics and to be above personal financial interests and anything of this nature puts

that into question, and i think it knneeds to be addressed. >> and democratic senator ron widen is tweeting he wants answers from harlan crow by monday about gifts he says appears to be, quote, blatant corruption, and the ethics issues are piling up. here to talk about all of this, we have a great panel, van lathen, we have former senator al franken, we have former senate candidate, joe pinion and rabbi, rolling stone writer and former law clerk for merrick garland, jay michaelson. great to have all of you here. i barely know where to begin with the supreme court. there are so many things that have just been degreeisclosed a revealed that are ethics problems. let's start with harlan crow who we know has already bankrolled clarence thomas's trips for 20 years, but now we know that he has also bank rolled clarence thomas's nephew. so clarence thomas has raised

his nephew from the time i think the boy was 6 basically acting as his father, and he sent him to a private boarding school, and that boarding school costs about $54,000 a year, maybe $60,000 a year. and it turns out that harlan crow has been paying at least for it appears two years of that boy's tuition, and clarence thomas, senator, never disclosed that. what are we to make of this? >> well, i think that clarence thomas has a problem, which is he doesn't report income he's getting from people or twho are trying to buy influence with him. leonard leo is one of the architects of the conservative court. >> and he has given money to clarence thomas's wife, ginni thomas to the tune of something like $80,000, maybe more, and also not disclosed that and even took her name off of any billing documents. >> i think, you know, clarence

thomas should say something. he could say something like i forgot, something like that. >> and that would be good enough for you, just the simple i forgot? >> it'd be better than what he's done thus far. i mean, this is -- this is scandalous and ridiculous and my favorite is this tnew video whee he says he really is -- you know, he grew up kind of lower -- lower income, and he really -- really prefers for vacations going to trailer parks. >> we have played that for our viewers. we'll play it one more time because it's interesting. here is clarence thomas in his own words. >> you know, i don't have any problem with going to europe, but i prefer the united states, and i prefer seeing the regular parts of the united states. i prefer going across the rural areas. i prefer the rv parks.

i prefer the walmart parking lots to the beaches and things like that. there's something normal to me about it. i come from regular stock, and i prefer that. i prefer being around that. >> what do you say to van when he was on the super yacht with harlan crow and they went to russia, the baltics, the caribbean and indonesia. >> you know, it's may 4th, today is star wars day. i don't know if you guys celebrate as much as you guys do. i brought a lot of cool things in my life. i have a lightsaber of my own that cost me $1,500. that's the level of which i nerd out to, but i've never bought anything as cool as a supreme court justice, you know, and i probably would if i could, not that i would know what to do with one, but the fact that you can actually do it is terrifying. when you think about what the court is and the amount of power that the court wields over the

american people, the ability to legislate, to strike down laws, they are probably when you look at it orders of magnitude more powerful than legislators because they can just by their decisions do stuff. and to know that this type of corruption is happening while we're watching this court make decisions about the bodies of women that we share our communities with, it's pretty breathtaking, but it's also frustrating because there doesn't seem to be much that we can do about it without wholesale reform of the court. >> joe, is this buying a supreme court justice? >> look, i don't think that we should be suggesting that clarence thomas is bought. what we can all agree on is he has exhibited judgment so poor as to allow people to even ask the question, which is the problem when you're talking about the highest court in the land, an institution that is supposed to be the guardrails for our republic. so yes, i think that the problem that we have here is that the people who are in charge with asking the questions to put the people on the court are now

politicizing something that should be nonpartisan. we should have everyone coming together from the chief justice himself to every single branch of government saying you have a week to put forth a code of conduct. then congress would go forth and ratify it. if you don't put forth a code of conduct, congress is going to go ahead and do it for you anyway. next thing you know we're going to be going through the trash of every single supreme court justice looking at the records of all their spouses. at the end of the day what needs to be done is ethics reform, get it done, and let's stop talking about it. >> before i answer let me read you harlan crow's statement about all of this. harlan crow has long been passionate about the importance of quality education and giving back to those less fortunate, especially at risk youth. as part of his desire to perpetuate the american dream for all and believing education is the great equalizer, he and his wife have supported many young americans through scholarship and other programs at a variety of schools including his alma mater and in fact, it was his alma mater,

which is one of the schools he paid for clarence thomas's ne nephew. >> i just started laughing that clarence thomas's grand nephew is an at risk child. we disagree about a lot of things. we've been in heated agreement that there needs to be ethics reform in the supreme court. this is the biggest blotch on chief justice robert's career e. i cannot believe as an institutionalist, who says he cares about the supreme court that he has sat on this and he has done nothing, and i hope that this next wave of revelations may actually do exactly what joe suggested, put some rules on the table and we can ratify them or vote on them. the revelation about leonard leo who i've been following for ten years. >> the conservative judicial activist. >> judicial activist really understates it. this is the puppet master of the supreme court and the entire takeover of the federal courts. >> how is he the puppet master. >> the federalist society, and numerous organizations where ginni thomas worked and the bet

beckett fund for so-called religious liberty and now the scalia law school and the largest gift of his career almost a billion dollars which appears to be being spent on these state initiatives where hard right initiatives are coming up whether it's against gay people, trans people and so forth. leonard leo is the money behind this. he is the organizer behind this. he has dark money. we don't still know most of the donors and anytime that this man is brought to light where these activities are brought to light, this is good. i really hope folks at home can just check this guy out into the record that he's put out there, "washington post" has done a lot of reporting, i've done a lot of reporting. had is the man engineering the destruction of our democracy as we know it. >> look, i just think that certainly we can get involved in the personal intrigue. i think at the end of the day, we should all agree to your point that we can have some type of actual code of conduct moving forward. i think, look, i've met harlan crow. he's a wonderful person. i think that we should kind of get away from this assumption that the only time the money

corrupts is when it's written by a person who prescribes to right leaning politics, right? i think money corrupts absolutely, and i think we should focus on that. >> we all agree on that. we just happen to have a face for this one and leonard leo because "the washington post" just tonight has published this new information about ginni thomas and how much money she has apparently taken from him and how he tried to expunge her name from some of the records, according to "the washington post." >> don't you think it's absolving clarence thomas from impropriety by politicizing this. we're not talking about it in any other case except the one that's in front of our face, and to have a supreme court justice have this type of proximity to someone like harlan crow and to be this deep in with him, that doesn't give you pause and make you feel a certain way? >> first of all, i don't think those words ever came out of my mouth. second of all, i do think as i said at the top this has to be completely nonpartisan, transpartisan, whatever you want to call it. i don't think that you can say it's impropriety for something

that doesn't actually exist. we should have a higher standard for all those people on the supreme court. >> i want to interject one thing because there is also information that came out today that sonia sotomayor, justice sonia sotomayor and neil gorsuch did disclose -- they didn't recuse themselves -- >> it was a $3 million book deal. >> it was disclosed. arguably there were -- >> they didn't recuse themselves about the penguin random house lawsuit. so when that came before the court, though they had taken collectively millions of dollars from penguin random house, shouldn't they have recused themselves from that? >> she wrote a book for them, and sit was a number one best seller. >> you're allowed to take money. are you allowed to oversee court business about penguin random house after you've taken millions of dollars? >> that's a judgment call. it's nothing, nothing like what clarence thomas has been doing, and look, if this wasn't partisan, why doesn't justice

robert -- you want justice roberts to write an ethics code? >> absolutely, i've said it tonight. >> why did he refuse to appear before the judiciary committee? >> respectfully, i think that he shouldn't actually appear. i think that it would be more responsible -- >> why not? >> i think it's impossible for the chief justice to appear before congress without it devolving into the politics. we've seen every single hearing thus far with this new divisive brand of our politics devolve in a manner that completely distorts the main issue. i just think, again, i would encourage him to put forth a code of ethics. i think that it's actually alarming they haven't done so on their own accord thus far, but i just think at some point in time -- >> chief justice of the supreme court should not testify before the senate judiciary committee, that's what you're saying. >> i'm saying that the chief justice in this particular instance when congress does not need him to appear in order to act, i think is doing the prudent thing in not appearing before a hearing that inevitably is going to end up being

political at a time when we are concerned about -- >> things are political in congress, yes. and they always have been. >> you're unbothered by that specter of the chief justice sitting there in the middle of a political cross fire as it relates to a code of ethics that congress does not actually require him to be present to actually implement. that does not bother you at all. >> i think we're getting off the point. isn't the point they need to do this and police themselves. >> that's what i said at the beginning. >> i agree. >> the house -- the senate judiciary committee could have asked him that and he could have responded to that with dignity and the worst thing that he ever done, this isn't the worst thing he's ever done. >> who are we talking about? >> chief justice roberts. shelby county and also the -- remember he said i'm going to call balls and strikes? he wasn't calling balls and strikes in citizens united. they brought up an entirely different question in that. you remember how that went down. that was absolutely ridiculous and what that did was injected billions and billions of dark

money, and that's what we're talking about now with leonard leo. >> excuse ple. >> we're not concerned with all dark money, just certain dark money. >> we do have to go -- >> i am concerned with all dark money. >> okay, good. >> and what unleashed all that dark money, it was citizens united. >> i would agree that money is a bull horn. it is not actually speech, and that we have to find ways to make sure -- >> you just put yourself to the left of like the entire supreme court consensus. >> i am not the attorney or the appointed spokesperson for the republicans on the supreme court or the republican appointed justice on the supreme court. i'm just here to have an honest conversation about what is occurring. >> i appreciate that. meanwhile i want to read leo's statement to "the washington post" today because we've been talking about him and the money to ginmy thomas. he said it's no secret that ginni thomas has a long history of working on issues within the conservative movement and part of that is engaging public attitudes and sentiment. the work did not involve anything connected with the court's business or other legal

b issues. >> part of that work was trying to overturn the last election and part of trying to hide her role in that was clarence thomas casting the only dissenting vote about their getting the records from the national archives in which he wrote memos to meadows saying this election's been stolen. we've got to do something. we've got to overturn this election. is that something you freeagreeh that this election was stolen. >> have you ever heard me say that? have you heard those words? >> no, i just asked you a question. i've never heard anything that you've said. >> have you -- >> whoa. >> have you heard me question you before? >> wait a minute, i just asked him a question. have you ever heard me question you before? >> what are we doing right now? >> senator -- >> this is called coming for you is what he's doing. >> what a rhetorical advice,

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hospitalization. when asked if he's mentally and physically fit to be senator, fetterman replied, quote, hell yes. he blames his depression on the stroke he suffered last year and a senate campaign that he calls brutal. >> i feel fantasticn honestly. you know, i know it was -- a lot of people have asked, well, hey, how are you feeling, you know, how's your depression, and it's like, again, it's in remission, and i'm just so grateful. just feeling great. it was after the brutality, you know, of the campaign, the other side, some people believe that it was one of the most vicious political campaigns. >> i'm back with van lathen, al franken, senator, i think that's interesting. i bet that that vicious campaign could exacerbate depression. >> yeah, and also the stroke and also he had to do that debate.

that was an act of courage, i thought. he knew that he was going to perform badly in it, how very badly i've never seen anything like that. as it turns out he won by fife po five points. he won by a lot larger margin than he had going into that. i think it was an act of courage, and every campaign is brutal these days. >> for sure. and so is congress, i guess is the point. it's not as though congress is all rainbows and light. there's vitriol there too. i don't know, i just think it's possible that he's going to be in a situation that can be triggering. >> well, he says he's great, and i hope he stays that way, yeah. >> we all do. >> you know what the important thing is that he said to me was, he said that it was in remission, and i thought that that was a really excellent way to address it, you know.

i've dealt with mental health issues. i think that a lot of americans do, and how you're feeling day-to-day is -- it's fluid, it's up, it's down, it has to do with the rig fors of your job, every single day, and have to beat their depression and anxiety in order to do it. i think seeing someone like him with his platform, his voice like talking about that very openly is very powerful. and anyone who comes at this like maybe fetterman isn't man enough or dude enough or strong enough, i think that that's the type of vulnerability that we need when we're talking about americans and what they go through in theirs lives. >> do you hear people saying that? >> of course, like me particularly, i remember when i first started having panic attacks like people would call them spells. they would try to pray them away. they would tell me all types of things i could do, this was

something i was going through, prioritize my mental health and go out there and live my life. i think he gives a lot of hope to a lot of people, myself included. >> i too fastened on the remission thing. we don't often speak about depression in that way. it's not like well, i've licked it. it's done, it's resting and he knows, i assume the triggers or the cues for when it might come back. >> i think whether you look at some of the decisions he's made over the last 12 months to take the time out to get treatment. that couldn't have been an easy decision. it was a hard fought campaign. he knew that these attacks were going to happen, and i want to say that i feel like there's actually -- and we had a little bit of a partisan exchange in the last segment, there's been a fair amount -- there are obviously those who are criticizing him for whatever political reason. this feels like one of the things that bringing some folks together. there's an understanding. there are people across the political spectrum who suffer from depression and other issues, and you know, his decision to actually do this at this moment of his career where, you know, this is kind of the summit of his career thus far, to still prioritize mental

health and get his own health in order i found truly inspiring. >> what are your thoughts, joe? >> look, i would agree with many of the sentiments that people have expressed. it was courageous in some respects that he had taken kind of this personal decision to jeopardize what would have been a critical period of his recovery. anyone who's experienced a stroke or had loved ones who have experienced a stroke knows that those first months, those first days that period in time where you can address kind of those deficiencies and speech and all those issues is difficult. i think the other side of this is the politics that somehow i think that there was a lot of pressure around him not to take that time, so i think for me it's just personally a concern for him, concern for his family, at least grateful we can have the conversation about mental health and hopefully bring awareness to what he's experiencing and so many families across this country experience. >> me too.

i'm so glad we have this conversation, every time he talks it, it lifts the stigma. it helps erase the stigma. >> and it's really important like people that suffer, they suffer in silence, you know. i talked about it, i've written about it, but there is like no more debilitating feeling than knowing you feel bad and not knowing when you're going to feel good again, and there's like nothing you can do. the air is thick. theli lights are dim. it's weird, seeing someone else go through it, being a senator, and stand up strong. he came across as strong in that to me. nothing but applause here. new york city mayor eric adams calling out several problems that he says america's kids are struggling with from mental health, to drug use to rising crime, but do democrats agree with what he's saying? >> the level of young people who are dying from violence from other young people is rising at a level that is challenging across the country. how are the children.

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new york city mayor eric adams speaking at the national day of prayer conference all about the dangers that america's

children are facing. >> how are the children? and don't answer to your neighbor. just think in your mind how are the children. suicide rates among children have increased to an epic proportion. they are depressed more at 9 and 10-year-olds our babies are saying i'm feeling depressed. they start their day going to the corner bodega buying cannabis and fentanyl and sit in the classroom and try to learn. they look at tiktok that's teaching them how to steal cars. young boy was burned 85% of his body because he did a tiktok challenge. the same tiktok that our chin are seeing here in america, you cannot see it in china where they created, how are you children. >> i'm back with my panel and joining us is natasha al ford

from the grio weekly, also former grade school teacher, which is why we often rely on you when we do segments like this. did you listen to his whole speech? >> i did, i did. >> i want to ask you about that. he articulates the problem. we all know he's right, he spelled out lots of problems the kids are going through right now, but he talked about the power of prayer and how he believes that prayer can fix a lot of this and that we don't talk enough about the power of prayer and about god, and i just am wondering what you thought about that message? >> yeah, well, the question of how are the children comes from this proverb of if you ask how the children are, it lets you know how the entire village is doing, so i think that's a valid question. now, as far as prayer in schools, we know that that changed in 1962. it's no longer something that you can force or require students to do at school, but students can still pray privately, so this idea that, you know w, we just don't have in the culture.

i don't think actually think that's true. what i do think is there are some people who still have trauma from their religious experiences maybe the focus is not so much on religion as morality, community. what do our children belong to that is besides their individualistic selves or what they see on their screens, where is their larger sense of community. i feel it's easily lost in this time where so many of us, even adults feel isolated. >> i don't think he was talking about any particular religion, but he was talking a lot about his experience of religion and his experience of god and how he cr credits prayer to getting him to where he is today. i'll just play you a little portion of that. >> i have been talking about the need of god being back in our lives. and it's because the same voice i heard 32 years ago spoke to me a few months ago and said talk about god, eric.

talk about god. >> what do you think, joe? >> look, i think that something's probably gone wrong in our politics today when we recognize that politicians beat a path to the pulpit every campaign season whether they're republican, democrat, black, white, anywhere in between, ask then when those politicians get elected somehow the thought that they would speak about their faith and their experience in faith would be frowned upon. so look, i think for me the most telling thing in that speech or the most impactful one is when he talked about what prayer has done, the fact that he is the mayor of new york city, a black man. that's the power of many unanswered prayers. that we have the highest legal officer in the land as far as the attorney general, prayer is being answered. you list all of these things that most of the leadership from the senate majority leader in the state to the leader in the assembly, all minorities, many unanswered prayers. again, to your point, talking about that village, at some

point this journey towards power has to culminate in actual results for that village, right? so when we're talking about 75% of black children in new york city not doing math at grade level, when we're talking about three out of five black children are in the bronx living in poverty, these are unanswered prayers on some basic level. i think that it was a powerful speech. i'm a little bit discouraged by the fact that somehow the pretext of the conversation has to be is it wrong that he's even discussing it? >> yeah, yeah, and i don't want that to be the pretext of the k conversation. >> not you, just in general, if you listen to the response of people in the sphere here. >> i find it interesting that he's leaning so into prayer and his religion and he's trying to get everybody to be comfortable with it. van, what he did say in the past was don't tell me about separation between church and state. he's basically said there is none. state is the body and church is the head. that did make people a little nervous. >> it's preposterous. i never liked eric adams, i've

got to be honest with you. it's a reality. to me he's like a scooby doo liberal. >> meaning? >> take the mask off, hey, it's me newt gingrich, you know what i mane? i never -- i'm a man of faith, right, and so i hear somebody calling for faith and calling for the power of uniting people with prayer and talking to god, which is a very important part of my life. of course i think, yeah, that's right. be honest with you, when i see the mayor of new york talking about the problems of new york, i'm not looking for what he wants them to do. i'm looking at what he's going to do. if the children are buying fentanyl at the corner bodegas, mr. mayor, the prayer that put you into the position that you're in, the prayer that gave all of these people the power that they have, what are you guys using that prayer for? what are you going to do about this? tell me to pray about it, but i prayed that you would do something so what are you going to do, and it kind of fell on deaf ears for me from that respect. >> senator. >> i wasn't listening to the

religious stuff in the speech. i was listening to mental health, and look, these kids during the pandemic, these kids were at home. they lost companionship with friends. we know this, we know this statis statistically. i have been for mental health in schools and that means actual mental health providers. we do that in minnesota and it makes a difference so that the teacher doesn't have to provide mental health but the there's someone there for these kids. also, we need to put back the child tax credit so there are fewer kids in poverty. the child tax credit reduced poverty tremendously in this country, and there was a study done saying that there's more brain activity for kids in homes where there's more money that the child tax credit actually

helped do that. so what i took away from this, i wasn't listening to the religious talk as much as what we need to do in terms of public policy, i'd like to see early childhood education. i would definitely like to see a bigger role fror mental health n schools. >> makes sense, thank you all for the conversation. be sure to tune in at the top of the hour when some of our favorite reporters will be here to talk about the scoops that they're covering including what the white house is doing to address the rise of artificial intelligence. but first, it seems like there is some kind of outburst phenomenon that's happening everywhere you look like this that we're about to show you. this is the father of a high school baseball player punching a 63-year-old umpire during a game. why are we behaving like this when we go out in the world? what's going on in america? we're going to discuss that next. - what? - especially when it comes to your finances. - are you a certifified financial planner™?

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have you noticed that outbursts seem to be everywhere lately? with fists and worse, of course, like in florida where a man has been arrested after allegedly punching a 63-year-old umpire, a disabled veteran, at a high school baseball game. this video shows him approaching the ump from behind, this was in mid-april, this was an altercation after police say there was an argument between the ump and a player. my panel is back with me. van, when did we forget how to be decent to each other, particularly in public? this is happening on airplanes. it's happening at ball games. it's happening in parking lots everywhere. >> the frontier airlines flight where they voted somebody off the plane just reminded me never fly frontier.

>> look, we're wound up. we're being wound up. part of the calculus to society right now is to wind people up to make them little warriors, little operatives who go out into the world mad at someone so they can blame somebody for how empty and disconnected we feel. there's a cost, there's a cost to the last seven to eight years of political animus we've had. we don't trust each other anymore. a functional society will not exist without a certain degree of trust between the members of that society. and once that erodes, you know, the shingles start to fall off, and you kind of get what you're getting now. >> do you think that outrage is contagious? >> yeah, and i do think that we have become much more divided and people are on edge, but i do think that donald trump to some degree responsible for that,

that he would talk about, you know, if you go ahead and hit somebody at my rally, i'll pay the legal fees, that's, you know, and kind of belligerence that he has shown, i think, but it's obviously more than that, but also the pandemic and but yeah, we're on edge. >> it's a bad combo platter. >> joe's biting his tongue. here we go. >> look, i just think, yes, obviously it's more than that. of course it's more than that. we're a nation under pressure. the economy is not working for people on main street, and it hasn't been working for people on main street for quite some time. we've got economic pain for families run amuck. you've got families that were devastated during covid because of those students that were left home, families that didn't have the ability to take care of those kids. >> that's all true. we have ha hard times. >> this is a once in a

generational pandemic that people don't seem to recognize. yes, it's great that you get a check with president trump's name on it or joe biden's name on it, but if your bank account's already overdrawn by $4,000 by the time the check for $2,000 gets there, it's not going to help you very much. people have not recovered. the numbers in some ways reflect that, and again, to van's point, yeah, when you have individuals who have decided that if i disagree with you politically, not only are you wrong but you're a bad person, that your soul is in mortal danger should you ever vote for a person of opposiing political views in an particular race, you get to a point where you end up with parents walking around the backstop and knocking out a referee. you've got people kicked out of malls because they wear an i love jesus t-shirt, and yes, you end up with people being choked out on a subway car by virtue of the fact that the deconstruction leads people to take matters into their own hand. >> maybe it's not all connected but it feels like it is because

it's happening so often. >> i think there is a connection. i think we tried to go back to life too quickly, if that makes any sense. we tried to just sort of move on and pick up without processing the collective trauma, the collective ptsd, what it means to open your phone and see that person after person is dying, right? all of that grief that we are absorbing from each other and then also the grief of grieving what this nation used to be. i know that you sort of smirked when, you know, the senator said that comment about donald trump, but for many of us there was a grieving to see that our discourse, civility had sunken so low. there were things that were completely unacceptable that now all of a sudden were the norm. i mean, there's a grieving for america. there's an individual grieving as well, and then we are rewarded for bad behavior. this is a society where the algorithm rewards bad behavior on video, if you're fighting, you're beating someone up, if the comments are cruel and mean. i remember honesty box, i was in

college when that came out. it lasted not long on facebook but you could say whatever you wanted to somebody anonymously. all of our comments now, our entire social media sphere is the honesty box with no consequences for what you say. so it's not surprising to me that all of this is pent up and it's spilling over. >> who has a suggestion for how we're going to solve this before i leave it on that note that we're just all hating each other and feeling vitriol. >> i have a suggestion. >> what is it? >> worldwide -- well, not worldwide, federal lax marijuana standards, we've got to get high. everybody's got to get smoked out. i know you're with me. >> no. >> i know you -- i know on a friday night, bro, you take that suit off, man, you hit the bong rip hard. i know you're with me, dog. >> never in life. >> but you won't get mad at him. i know you're with me, bro. >> that's in good faith. >> that was in good faith. [ laughter ] >> i know you get the bong out every -- that was in good faith.

>> that was. >> that was funny. >> what's your answer? >> we have the surgeon general come out today with the psa talking about loannelloneliness, and all of this is connected. right? when you can sit behind a screen and know more about what's going on in the world than you could if you went out into the world 20 years ago, certainly that has a dangerous impact on the human psyche. so yeah, we've got to get reconnected. perhaps we pick a day a month or a day a year we all put the devices away, we reconnect with one another. you can't have synthetic contact. you need people to people, person to person interaction. >> i agree. >> we were just talking about prayer, if you believe in god and you believe in spirituality, faith without works is dead, it is not just about the prayer. it's not just about the religion. it is living it. talking about caring about homeless people, it is actually caring for them. those are things that we can do. we don't need a politician to do that. you start right at home with yourself. >> guys, this is what i hear, prayer, day of party, pot. >> weed. >> okay.

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>> that is ed sheeran's smash single, thinking out loud. he won a big victory today when a jury in new york decided that he did not copy marvin gaye's classic hit let's get on. he spoke emotionally afterwards. >> i'm just a guy with a guitar who loves writing music for people to enjoy. i never will allow myself to be a piggy bank for people to shape. i missed my grandmother's funeral in ireland because of this trial, i'll never get that time back. >> i am back with van lathan and al franken. then, i've never heard let's get down in that song? can you hear the echoes in? >> i've watched several youtube videos i compared the melodies. they are identical. >> they are not. >> i listened to this old white dude with a guitar and he's like i'm gonna play both of them for you.

they are similar, but the thing is you would have to be able to prove that he heard let's get it on and then copied the court progression and things that happen to music. and sometimes, things are derivative on accident not quite on purpose. >> that's his point, there are only so many chord progressions. >> when you take the words out of it and you listen to it -- >> when i hear the lyrics, i do not get the marvin gaye hit from. it >> was it a different part of the song that was more similar? >> the part that you hear, what happens is that one marvin comes on gets sexy with it. and then when the -- so one else in this hearing that is sexy as, but if you just take the sexy away and you listen then you can hear the same thing. but i actually think that -- >> i'm out of this conversation. >> i think the reason why they

came back so fast here is actually about the marvin gaye's family. >> why do you think? that >> because they can be a little tinges. >> i heard the conversations with bloodline, i could hear the copyright infringement. >> i think the fact that this was not taking a little more seriously is more of a statement to them that may be back off a little bit, because seriously you could listen to the two records and they do sound very similar. >> very interesting. senator, thank you for your part in that discussion. that was excellent. guys, great to have you here. coming up, some of our favorite reporters are here to talk about the stories are working on tomorrow. they're going to share their scoops with us next. ♪ ♪

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