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tomorrow, king charles iii and queen camilla will lead the palace into the abbey and make history of their own. a moment last seen here before most londoners were even born 70 years ago. as for king charles it was a busy day. he spent some of it greeting people outside the palace along with prince william and princess kate. the king, william, kate, accompanied by the king's cyst earthquake, princess anne had lunch with the prime minster and other visiting dignitaries. coaches pulling the royal coach tomorrow got a workout today accompanied by footmen through hyde park. and hampshire southwest of the city, members of the household division rehearsed for their role. like the royals, this is a family business. some of the soldiers following in the footsteps of parents and grandparent who is marched for queen elizabeth and king george vi. a look at a coronation chair.

he'll be anointed by the archbishop of canterbury. you've heard the phrase, the crown jewels. here they are. and of course here for all the royal pageantry, thousands of his subjects, britains from all over london, the uk, the commonwealth, and even some of us colonials waiting for a moment, a brush with history. among some of the people camping out tonight, hoping to get a great view tomorrow, what are some of the people telling you? richard? >> reporter: i got keep my voice down a bit, because it is after 1:00 in the morning here, and people are trying to get a little bit of sleep, but look at the sheer number of people who are here. [ cheering ] well, that woke up anybody who was in here. where have you come from? >> to have i can. >> the south. why have you come? >> kings coronation, best

history in our generation. >> reporter: different people of different ages saying that. >> where have you come from? >> maryland in the usa. >> did you come here for this? >> yes. >> you've come all the way from maryland to sleep on the street tonight. >> yes, i did. >> what's the reason? >> it's something historical. >> i'm a royalist. i love the royal family. >> excellent. you're here to do that. over there, where are you from, ma'am? >> grimsby. >> grimsby, that's in northern england. all ages. it's a family occasion. good evening, sir, welcome on board. hello. >> hi. >> where are you from? >> wales. >> you're from wales. he was the prince of wales. how old are you? >> 10. >> 10. why did you decide it was important to bring a 10-year-old tonight? >> well, it's a bit of history, and it's a lovely memory for her to share with us. >> we've just got here, so it

wasn't quite the three-day campout, but -- >> you got here, and that's important. finally, back over -- good to see you. stay warm tonight. you'll remember this for the rest of your life. i remember the night that i slept on the mile. it was for diana's funeral and for charles' first wedding. now, over here. all right. good morning to you, sir. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> yeah. sorry to wake you up. you've got a few more hours of sleep. >> how are you? >> not so well, but -- >> not so well. >> no, i'm pretty well. >> is that comfortable? >> it's not long enough to start. >> it's tiny. >> you really are doing this on the cheap, aren't you? >> you could say that. >> you are enjoying yourself? >> i'll enjoy it tomorrow. >> when it's over. well, have a good night's sleep, everybody. and enjoy. anderson, the mood is absolutely extraordinary. it's just one of friendship. it's one of, yes, national,

patriotic, yes. but it's just people -- i'm surprised at this stage -- look how deep it is. it's 10, 12 people deep. in the morning, bad news for you because i've done this before. at about 5:00 or 6:00 in the morning, they will wake everybody up and, they will start moving them to the front so that they can get more people in here by the time the ceremony starts. but the atmosphere -- keep your voice down. there are people sleeping at the front. oh, come on in. get on television. he wants to be on television. >> hello! >> go ahead, anderson. >> richard, it is fascinating. you were saying you camped out there for charles' first marriage to diana, also for her funeral. there are generations of people who have camped out there and come back with each milestone this family goes through.

i feel like weave seen these interviews time and time again for a new event. i was here for the queen's funeral. people camping out will be camping out tonight as well. >> and for good reason. it's a national event. if i wasn't working i probably would have garner a few friends together and we'd be sleeping somewhere over there, because you don't forget it. you remember the night. "x" number of years ago, 19-whatever, i stood on the mile and watches the four princes as they walked behind the coffin. never forget it. i stood on the hill and watched charles and diana and the carriage go past. you never forget it. these people, particularly the youngsters -- no, not you, sir, not you. you'll be lucky if you're still awake. but most people here will never forget the night they spent. they'll see the gold state coach, and the imperial coach and the crown. it's going to be magnificent.

[ cheering ] shh! keep it down! there are people sleeping. >> but it's also interesting, richard, because a lot of people said, i'm not as interested in this one. it doesn't -- i'm not going to pay attention to it like i did the funeral or some other big event, and yet on the day -- ♪ long live our -- god save our king ♪ ♪ happy and glorious god save the king ♪ >> does that answer your question, anderson? does that answer your question? >> yes, it does. yes, it does. richard quest, thank you. we'll come back to you a bit later. joining us tonight, max foster

and royal historian kate williams. >> never pretended to be a singing nation. >> that was quite lovely, actually. i actually found that quite moving. we were talking about this the other day -- people when you go up to them in the street with the microphone they'll say, i'm not that interested in this. yet on the day in a few hours, there's going to be ten of thousands of people here, and people are going to be tuning in. >> what is britishness? we don't have a constitution like america. it's built, isn't it, through all of these rich yawls and ceremonies we have had over the centuries, and we're sort of drawn to it. it is our continuity. it is the thing that we turn to when we try to figure out who we are, and less about charles perhaps tomorrow. more about the ritual and the ceremony, the pomp and the pageantry, which we feel belongs to us, and it's how he fits into that tomorrow. >> kate, what are you going to be looking for tomorrow? >> just as those people were saying, it was fascinating to

hear richard talking to peep on the streets who say, i want to be hear because of history. the little girl coming all the way from wales to watch it. that to me is exciting to see this coronation that goes right back to william the conquerer in 1066, saxon kings, all the ceremonies you were showing. the coronation chair dates back to the 13th century. incredible piece of furniture. and the crown, the actual use of the crown, it's so important. it's a holy relic. it can't leave westminster ceremony, and the coronation looking fantastic. the stole of destiny, lis in scotland. it was sent back to scotland, and scotland lends it back to us. that was from grafyties by schoolboys in the 19th century. you can still see p. abbott september here. and the crown with holes that we think might have been elizabeth

i's incredible moment of history, and all of that history i'm so excited to see and it also how it's altered. if you look in the history of coronations, the three most significant are when hen vi vii breaks from the church of roam. then william and mary when the oath becomes about governoring according to laws, that there's no more define right of kings you keep in the constitutional monarchy, and then when queen elizabeth televised it. we'll see what stories of the future we talk about. >> there was some changes to the liturgy in the last several hours, is that right? >> well, they released the liturgy earlier in the week, which is the -- how to describe it? the clergy language within the order of service. then they just in the last few minutes released an adjustment to the section that was new where they were inviting people, the wider public to pledge allegiance to the king. that caused a huge -- an

influential journalist went on the air this morning saying he thought it was completely inappropriate. we have had the order of service out, and there's a change in the language, still inviting people to pledge allegiance, but giving them the option to say, god save the king, and making it clear this is an invitation, not a request. >> interesting. but much of what we'll see in the coming hours -- we're starting to broadcast 5:00 a.m. live eastern time on the east coast. it has been in this ceremony from time immemorial. >> time immemorial, and the whole principle of choosing a chief and putting them on the raised stage and putting a hat on them goes back to the earliest forms of human history. the earliest crown we've got is 4,000 bc found in the red sea. that's amazing. it's a 21st century ceremony. it's going to be ton tiktok and

social media, and memes but it's steeped in history. the moment charles is anointed -- won't see it, but the moment he's anointed with holy oil has a spiritual aspect. the holy ghost is going to be guiding him. and we'll see kamil will crowned as well, which we haven't seen since 1937. a lot for the history fans to watch. >> much more on the royal coronation tonight, including whether britains believe the monarchy is still relevant. plus breaking news into the georgia investigation into the former president. we'll tell you who struck immunity deals. plus, frank and sometimes jaw dropping comments by the president in his deposition last year in a rape allegation case. we'll discuss what effect these remarks could have on the case. >> also, a russian mercenary turns on officials just as ukraine is believed to to be preparing its counteroffensive.

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former president's taped deposition in another case, the civil lawsuit brought by e. jean carroll who says in the mid 90s, the president raped her in a dressing room. the deposition was recorded in october of last year. the release comes a day after both sides rested their cases. >> reporter: >> she's accusing me and so are you of rape, and it never took place, and i will tell you, i made that statement and i said, well, it's politically incorrect, she's not my type, and that's 100% true. she's not my type. >> reporter: former president donald trump sitting for a deposition in october 2022, which is now front and center as jurors think about who is telling the truth. in this new york city civil battery and defamation trial. trump initially being asked if he ever shopped in bergdorf goodman, where e. jean carroll allegation he raped her. >> it's possible that one or both of my wives shopped there a

little bit, but i don't remember ever buying something for myself at bergdorf goodman. i went there seldom if ever. >> reporter: asked if he or his staff contacted the department store before denying in incident in 2019. >> i didn't have to reach out to anybody because it didn't happen. and by the way, if it did happen it would have been reported within minutes. it's the most ridiculous, disgusting story. it's just made up. >> reporter: trump also testifying he remembers seeing a photo of carroll. >> i saw her in a picture. i didn't know what she looked like. and i said it and i say it with as much respect as i can, but she is not my type. >> earlier trump had been asked to identify people in a photo from a receiving line. >> i guess her husband, john johnson, who was an anchor for

abc -- nice guy, i thought. i mean, i don't know him, but i thought he was pretty good at what he did. i don't even know who the woman. let's see. it's marly l.a. >> reporter: he repeats it. >> that's marla. that's my wife. >> reporter: the attorney tells him, that's e. jean carroll. >> it's very blurry. >> reporter: he went on to mischaracterize what she told anderson cooper in 2019. >> she said she loved it. in fact i think she said it was sexy didn't she, she said it was sexy to be raped. didn't she say that? >> did she say in that interview she loved being raped? >> i believe she said rape was sexy. >> reporter: never did carroll indicate she enjoyed being sexual assaulted or raped.

trump is then asked the watch the "access hollywood" tape. at one point adjusts himself in his seat as he listens to himself declare he can sexual assault women. >> historically that's true with stars. >> true with stars that they can grab women by the [ bleep ] -- >> well, that's what -- if you look over the last million years i guess that's been largely true. not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> you consider yourself to be a star. >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> reporter: and then is asked to respond to the accusation of a sexual assault on a plane by another woman in the late 1970s, which he has also denied. >> when you said in that video that ms. leads would not be your first choice, you were referring to her physical looks correct? >> just the overall. i look at her, i see her, i hear what she says, whatever. you wouldn't be a choice of mine

either, to be honest awith you. i hope you're not insulted. i i would not under any circumstances have any interest in you. i'm honest when i say it. >> reporter: cnn, new york. >> to get more perspective on this deposition from cnn legal analyst and former prosecutor jennifer rodgers, and clara skinell. how is the jury going to react to the president saying stars have been historically able the get away with sexual assaulting women unfortunately or fortunately? >> i think this deposition testimony was disastrous for the former president, and that's ju just one of the reasons why, but that's particularly bad. all he had to do with this "access hollywood" tape is say it's locker room talk. that's what his campaign said at the time. he could have continued. i don't mean it. i don't think that's true. i was just saying that. instead he doubles down and

says, stars can do it, and i'm a star, which leads to the conclusion that he can do it. so i think it was just a terrible mistake on his part, and i think it's not going to play well with the jury at all. >> did the defense team try to spin or explain away anything the president said during that deposition, or did they just let it speak for itself? >> at this point they let it speak for hitself. the deposition was played almost 48 minutes for the jury. a lot of this is going to come down the their closing argument, which is scheduled for monday in which case they're going to try to tie together different pieces. one argument may be why the former president seems agitated in the deposition because they're going say he was falsely accused. with him not testifying and taking the stand in this case, that would be one thing if that was it, but because the jury gets to see the president's deposition and him answering

these questions, they don't have a chance to ask him questions based on things that have come up in trial testimony. this will be what the jury sees from the former president. >> jennifer, it was fascinating to see the former president look at a photo and think that e. jean carroll was his ex wife marla maples. he's also claiming carroll wasn't his type. obviously maples was his type, but he thought e. jean carroll was marla maples. logically, i don't know how a jury might interpret that. >> yeah, this was another unforced error on his part, anderson, because obviously you'd expect anyone in his shoes to say he didn't do it, and then most people would back that up by saying, i'm not the person who does this sort of thing. let me bring in character witnesses to tell yu i'm not that kind of person. trump can't do that because if he opened the door to that there would be dozens lined up on what

kind of character and he has done this with many women. instead he goes with, she's not my type and bungles that one, because by identifying e. jean carroll as his wife. it was a disastrous performance for trump, and because the jury doesn't have anything else to look to, as cara said, like his own testimony or other witnesses appearing on his behalf, it's pretty one-sided. >> jennifer, as far as attorneys advising people on how to behave during a deposition, it seems like the former president, for somebody who has been deposed and sued as many times as he has, it seems like this may be -- sounds like this is his first deposition, because he seems to be violating every piece of advice any decent attorney would have told him before that deposition in terms of just answer a question yes or no or straight forward. he's just, like, playing jazz. he's just riffing.

>> yeah, so, he's famous for not listening to his lawyers, of course. you really can't give him any advice apparently. but you're right, not only does he answer questions beyond where he probably should, but his tone, he comes across as arrogant, pet atlanta. he insults e. jean carroll, her attorney. he just really, really is a terrible witness, which is why he has to sit for the deposition. he didn't have to have a choice. i don't think we'll voluntarily see imever testify because he's such a bad witness and because the impeachment evidence is so vast he would really get clobbered. he is a terrible witness. i don't envy his lawyers having to defend him. >> thank you. next, signs of splits between russia's military commanders and the mercenary army doing much of the fighting for russia in ukraine. what the wagner group leader announced today, and why it may just ator the course of the war. .

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>> translator: you think you are the masters of this life? you think you can dispose of their lives? you think because you have warehouses full of ammunition that you have that right? i am officially informing the defense minister, chief of the general staff, and supreme commander in chief that my guys will not be taking useless unjustified losses in bakhmut without any ammunition. so on may 10th, 2023, we are pulling out of bakhmut. we have only two or so kilometers to capture out of 45. >> cnn's matthew chance is with me tonight. also steve hall. matthew, it's stunning to hear this guy say this.

how can he get away with saying this? or just putting context what wagner has done and who he is. >> right, it is absolutely stunning in a country where dissent, criticism of the authorities is just not tolerated, that you can see this man, evgeni pregozen stand there and swear about the defense minister, swear about the military, and basically criticize in the harshest terms how the war in ukraine -- which russia calls a special military operation -- and get away with it. you have so assume he's been given the green light by the kremlin, because the alternative is, if he really is expressing this anger and this frustration genuinely and he's being allowed to do it in russia, it speaks volumes about the weak state that the kremlin's in. so i assume it's the former,

that he's being allowed to do it. >> steve hall, you were with cia. you spent a long time trying to figure out what the message the kremlin is trying to send or what's going on. what do you make of this? is this with the permission of vladimir putin? if it's not, why doesn't putin just crush this person? >> interesting to see how much putin has allowed him to run with this. but there is a tradition in russia where the czar, putin in this case, kind of gets a break and the russian people have a tendency to be more negative and critical of the lieutenants and subordinates around the czar largely because they can say, he's a good guy, if he were just surround by better people. my suspicion is putin is playing that for all it's worth. he's let these guys go at each other. it's sit back and watch how it's all going to play out. who's going to be the stronger person? who's going to be more loyal to

putin? all those things at play as putin tries to manipulate the situation, essentially, anderson. >> if wagner pulled out of bakhmut, what would that mean? >> they have been fighting for control of bakhmut for months now, throwing thousands if not tens of thousands of people -- >> waves of conscripts used as cannon fodder. >> proportionately wagner is the organization that's been leading that push into bakhmut. even though it's not particularly strategically important. and so it's been a massive sacrificia sacri sacrificial altar upon which thousands of russians have died. if they were to have pulled out, that sacrifice would be worth nothing and it would be politically damaging indeed. even if wagner says that russian army units would back fill the

position, nevertheless it would be a massive setback for him because he staked a lot on gaining control of this one city, which he so far failed to do. >> steve, could someone like him threaten vladimir putin's hold on power? does he have experience or is he dressing up? >> no, a lot of guys don't have previous experience. but i think what's going on -- one of the things that's going on, because there's a lot of subplots here -- he's saying, how far can i go? how far can i get? he understands the an oligarch, which is how he came up through the ranks, he's got to be careful if he crosses into politics. he's already clearly done that, but has yet to suffer as far as any of us can tell, any negative imp implication. is he thinking, i may be able to go to the top. trying to explain why it is he's

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relrel -- they daniel penny say he and other passengers worked to protect themselves until police arrive. and that neely had been threatening penny and other passengers. also that mr. penny, quote, never intended to harm mr. neely. law enforcement tells cnn police interviewed four of the passengers who were on the train car when neely, who had been a michael jackson impersonator was put into a choke hold and died them happened according to a witness when jordan began acting aggressively on the train, using violent language, talking about how he didn't have food, didn't care if he went to jail. a witness also told cnn that neely did not attack anyone. cnn has not been able to independently verify what happened. a law enforcement source told cnn witnesses are still seeking witnesses on the train. the case split americans and it

reminded new yorkers of another deadly incident nearly 40 years ago. >> reporter: the newspapers dubbed him the subway individual lanty. >> bernie gets, a white man cat catapulted into publicity when he shot four teenagers trying to rob him on a new york subway car. >> reporter: the teens said they were only panhandling for cash for video game testimonies city then facing a crime wave, with 600,000 crimes reported that year, more than four times current rates. the graffiti scarred subway systems sparking fear and dread in commuters like goetz who said new york was a disaster and a lawless place. he said he had been robbed and purchased a handgun without a license to protect himself. the case prompting protests and accusations of racism. years later, goetz admitted to making racial slurs three years before the shooting. >> i think that mr. goetz was

seriously psychologically damaged by former muggings and in his mind, young blacks are the stereotypical muggers. i'm firmly convinced if those four boys had been white, he would not assume they tried to mug him until they tried to mug him. >> reporter: goetz confessed to shooting the teens and confessed to shooting one of them again, saying he told the teen, you seem to be doing all right. here was another. >> if i was a monster i don't deny it, but i wasn't until several years ago in new york. >> reporter: goetz insisted he was acting in self-defense. >> if i had more bullets i would have shot them again and again and again. my problem was aran out of bullets. you can't understand. >> reporter: public opinion was mixed. >> i understand the motivation of the individual. there were times i felt like shooting somebody as well, but you're not supposed to take the law into your own hands. that's dangerous, too. >> actually, all he did was

defend his own life. >> reporter: while mayor koch didn't defend the shooting -- >> nobody with impunity can take the law into their own hands and give instant justice. we'll not permit it. >> reporter: some new yorkers praisesed goetz, saying he deserved a medal. others offering to pay his legal fees. before a jury acquitted him of murder, his attorney was certain he would prevail. >> there's no reason not to be confident. i'm not sure why he's a defendant. that's the basic problem. >> reporter: and even a lawyer for one of the four teenagers said -- >> i am feeling internally that maybe mr. goetz has at least been punished somewhat, maybe as much as the system can do for this crazy act he did on the subway train more than two years ago. >> reporter: goetz served 8 1/2 months for possession of an illegal weapon, and a jury awarded $43 million to one of

the teens he shot who was paralyzed in the incidental it remains unclear if he received any of that money. athena jones, cnn, new york. >> joined now by cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson. i wonder what you make of the statement we got from the attorneys of the man in the subway who they maim at daniel penny. they say he and other passengers worked to protect themselves until help arrived and that neely had been aggressively threatening daniel penny and other passengers, also that penny, quote, never intended to harm mr. neely. what stands out to you in those tapes? >> there's going to be two narratives obviously with respect to this incident. the narrative is going to be, if you support what happened here that this individual jordan neely, now dead, was acting in an aggressive fashion based on that aggression and based upon what they perceived to be a threat, he acted -- that is the person who put him in the choke hold, to protect third parties,

which is allowed by law and based on that did not know or could not foresee the fact he could kill him and thought he was doing a service to the public by restraining him. that's the one defense narrative and that's what stands out to me they're protecting their client. on the other hand you're going to have the narrative you can't take the law into your own hands. someone verbally aggressive is not suggestive of the fact that they mean any help at all. someone wanting food who did not deserve to die and does not need justice impacted upon him. ultimately it will be up to the district attorney to assess the case factually, interview the witnesses, bring the matter before a grand jury, and make an assessment to criminality and if so, there's a prosecution. if not, there won't be. can't be predicated on public opinion or anything else. has to be supported by the

facts. >> did there be a division between -- what if witnesses on the train said they felt threatened and this person says he felt threatened and, you know, that's why he acted. could there be a division between people thinking he did the right thing in trying to subdue this person if witnesses on the train say he was threatening? but there'd be the question of, how long should he have been held in a choke hold, and was there action he could have subsequently been taking? >> not only could there be a division, but i suspect there will be. generally in cases you're going to have different witnesses who have different perceptions, different point of views with what they felt, saw. that's something i think can be anticipated. the real question is going to come down to the following -- did the person who put mr. neely in a choke hold act reasonably under the circumstances?

that's number one. number two, was it proportionate to any threat posed? number three, was there fear by anyone on the train they would indeed die in the event that mr. neely was not restrained and lost his life. at the end of the day, what the law looks to is objectionable reasonableness. did you act reasonably under the circumstances? if the answer to that question is no, i think the defendant, who could be a defendant, not yet a defendant, could have a problem. the he was protecting and other people felt they were in serious danger then i think there would be none buck that's the purpose of a grand jury. bring all the evidence in, bring the parties in, bring anyone who saw anything in, let the grand jury of 23 people make an asse assessment. is there reasonable cause to believe a crime occurred? if so, let's have a trial and then let's have a jury of his

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as we await king chorms as coronation, most britains say they will take part in the least one event, but it come as they say their views of the monarchy have worsened. more than one third say their opinion is gotten more negative. bianca nobilo looks at the monarchy's relevance today. here she is. >> happy indeed are the revelers who welcome the coronation in pick dilly. >> reporter: the longest i wanter lewd between two coronations in britain's history.

decades of demographic, and societal change raising questions about the relevance of the monarchy today. 1953 was full of post war joy devivre and excitement about the queen. britain in the 1950s was overwhelmingly white, chris tan, and divided on caste lines in society and the halls of power. today, three of the four great officers of state, including the prime minster, are from minority backgrounds. 20% of the population today are from ethnic minority backgrounds, too, and rising. many from countries subject to exploitation in the former british empire. >> the monarchy has a way to find a place for itself without pretending it doesn't have all of its privilege, all of its history, and all of its baggage. >> reporter: britain was still

stratified along class lines in the 1950s. modern britain is in many ways allergic to the idea of -- a commission by the bbc suggests that king charles might have a problem appealing to young people, 38% of whom said they would support an elected head of state. indifference might be a problem, too. 78% said they weren't interested in the royal family. >> i think it's definitely time to rethink. a lot of people loved queen elizabeth. >> reporter: the head of monarchy is also it lar head of the christian church. it was christian, today it is half that with the number of nonchristian faiths rising each year.

king charles, who has declared himself to be defender of all faiths was honored here at britain's largest mosque ahead of the coronation, so could this be an opportunity for all the communities in britain to come together? >> with islam we're taught that part of your faith is loyalty to your nation, and we also know that the coronation is part history of this nation. as citizens, we respect that history. >> reporter: the coronation is a litmus test for all king charles will be received by 2023 britten and whether enthusiasm, apathy, or opposition to the monarchy will shape his reign. beian koe nobilo, cnn, london. >> joining me, host of "quest means business," richard quest, and bonnie greer. do you think the monarchy is still relevant? >> well, we have to define what relevant means. this is certainly not a republic, so where the monarchy

fits is an interesting question. but this is not a republic, and we shouldn't -- richard may disagree with me, but i don't feel -- there isn't any sort of real strong republican sense here. i don't think -- it's just not a republic. so whatever the monarchy becomes will have to fit into whatever the nation decides. and the other thing i want to same or similar circumstance too, a little pushback, people shouldn't assume because a person is a person of color that they have a problem with the monarchy. i mean, au contraire. so it's a lot more complex than that. a lot more complex. >> richard, how do you see it? >> i think it's a great question to ask, and you'll get a very different answer when the vote actually happens. people in the comfort op their own home can say, well, waste of time, all the money we spend on that lot? and then -- but if the question was actually put, would you want to get rid of the monarchy?

i think you would find it would not be in the slightest those numbers. >> does it matter whether a particular monarch is -- >> you don't pick and choose your monarchs. that's the whole point of the system. you don't pick and choose. you take who ever's next in line. all the people here would have been delighted in charles would have done the graceful thing and retired and handed it over to william, absolutely. and probably would have done quite well in places like australia and canadaing but that's not the system. >> the british value consistency, that's very important in this culture. and so the monarchy represents consistency. and in that sense i think that they'll endure on some level, it's going to be different, because each monarchy is different. i'd be surprised if the commonwealth existed pretty much longer, and i mean longer maybe five or six years. but the monarchy itself will carry on i think. >> it's interesting to see -- people say they like the royal family less than before.

it's -- nobody can survive -- there was a mystery before. there was less information out there in the public sphere about members of the royal family generations ago, and it's very hard to survive when -- survive popularity when people know everything about you. >> i have to laugh, because this royal family is a piece of make compared to their ancestors. the hanavarians, the stewards -- >> they could not have held up with social media. >> these people are much more sedate in comparison. but the royal family has to adjust to the people is the way they exist. >> right, but you adjust when you feel there's something to adjust. you don't blow in the wind because of what's the popular take. >> that's what i mean by the consistency. >> now, first time -- i carry

two passports. >> so do i. >> uk and a u.s. >> so do i. >> i can see the merits of both systems. i started uk, went u.s. you maybe went in the opposite direction. >> of course. >> i can certainly see why in america people think, this is barking mad. and i can see why from the british point of view -- >> but they don't. low love this. >> they love the pageantry. >> and i think also as americans we're passionately engaged with the presidency always time, and i think people here are passionately engaged with the small business royal family. not itself but the everyday housekeeping bits. >> one thing there is an advantage of monarchy over presidency, particularly in the u.s. system s that they don't get caught up in the individual party political. so you can have to respect a president that you loathe politically. and this doesn't happen here

because he is above the fray in that sense. >> well, he's supposed to be above the fray. i mean, he's supposed to be above the fray. but in america of course it's supposedly government by the people of the people, la la la. so the president does become a visceral part of the politic. here the monarch becomes the consistent ship that guides the country through. >> thank you so much. a lot more ahead. royal coverage. legendary actress joan collins joins us to talk about king charles iii. also, where tomorrow isn't just a big moment for the king, but for everyone in the royal line of success. more ahead. gets three jobs done at once - kills weeds. prevents crabgrass. and keeps it growing strong. get a bag of scotts triple action today, it's guaranteed. feed your lawn.. feed it.

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