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immigration system is broken. the vast majority of those individuals have not sought to evade law enforcement but have actually surendered themselves to law enforcement and made a claim for relief under our laws. the challenge -- the challenge is that between that time of encounter and the time of an ultimate immigration judge's evaluation of their claim for asylum it's 4-plus years. >> thank you for watching. you can catch my full conversations with senators cardin and cassidy as well as with miranda lambert anytime you want on hbo max. and please join us here on cnn every friday night to find out who's talking next. good evening, everyone. i'm alison cam rata, welcome to "cnn tonight."
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prosecutors will be pouring over videos and interviewing witnesses this weekend trying to decide whether to charge the 24-year-old former marine who held jordan neely in a fatal choke hold on the subway. tonight we have the first statement from that 24-year-old. plus, donald trump has until 5:00 p.m. on sunday to tell a judge whether he wants to take a stand in the e. jean carroll rape and defamation case, but the jury has already heard from him in a newly released video deposition. he claimed carroll was not his type but then mistook her photo for his second wife marla maples. >> i don't even know who the woman -- let's see, i don't know who -- it's marla. >> you're saying marla's in this photo? >> that's marla, yeah. it's my wife. >> which one are you pointing to? >> here. >> the person you just pointed to was e. jean carroll.
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and the great macaroni mystery. who dumped hundreds of pounds of pasta in the woods in a new jersey town? we're going to ask the mayor tonight. okay, but let's start with what we know about justin neely's death on a new york city subway. the 24-year-old man who put him in a choke hold has been identified by his lawyer as daniel penny, a college student and former marine. jordan neely's father is demanding answers and an arrest, and protesters want action. >> why is the killer free? why is the killer free? why is the killer free? >> okay, let's bring in my panel here with me tonight. we have emmy winner w. kamau bell, criminal defense attorney joey jackson, and former congressman max rose. gentlemen, thanks so much for being with me here on a friday might. >> i like an emmy qualifies me here to be with you. >> it does. oh, for sure. joey, can you just explain let's
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just say that it is as his attorney says. and what he said was, quote, daniel never intended to harm mr. neely and could not have foreseen his untimely death. in that case do prosecutors still charge? >> you can still charge. first of all, when you have an instance like this you have prosecutors going to examine a few things. number one, was there immediate fear or death or serious injury to anyone who was in that subway car? you have a right to exercise self-defense on yourself not only for yourself but for a third party. number two, after you get through immediate fear of harm or death the issue was there any reasonability to his actions. number three, was that force proportionate or disproportionate to what if any threat was being posed at the time? and then you can get into all the questions of did he know, did he foresee. you have to foresee, the law says. to make this point very clear
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when you charge someone it doesn't have to be murder, if tent. it could be various sort of -- >> manslaughter. >> yes. so it looks like this. you can be careless in your activities, you can be reckless in your activities. there are certain grades you look that. that's what prosecutors will look at. they'll look and say maybe he was in fear, he was maybe engaging in furtive gestures towards someone. there are going to be narratives. i think at the end of the day what happens you can be in a grand jury, you get all the witnesses and statements and everything else, a grand jury consisting of 23 people makes a determinationation as to whether or not there'sf proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt but reasonable cause to believe in a simple majority of 23, if there's reasonable cause to believe a crime has occurred, you bring it before a grand jury, you get indicted and a trial jury will make an assessment as to guilt or innocence.
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>> how do you see this case? >> i mean this is why it's great to have an mma fan on this panel. because what he's doing, and the choke he's applying, and i'm identitying other mma experts, that's a choke either you're trying to get someone to submit or get them to pass out it's less than 15 seconds. by the time you've done it for 15 seconds they will be well passed out. it fact he held him for 15 minutes is the problem. i didn't go to law school but to me that looks like somewhere around murder. i don't know what the legal charges are but certainly seems careless at the very least. after you hold that choke for more than 15 seconds you're killing someone. >> congressman, obviously you served in the afghan war. you're a vet. this daniel perry was a marine vet. we understand his attorney he just hired as you know he ran for d.a., he was a veteran. does any of that tell you -- i mean the fact he's hired this thomas kenef does anything tell
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you about the future of the case? >> i think it's really upsetting that in the coverage of the case thus far he's always referred to as a veteran each and every step of the way we all know what that inference is. >> what is that inference? >> they're inferring he has ptsd, they're inferring he has some type of trauma, they're inferring veterans are dangerous and inferring some type of instability. >> i've been saying that and the reason i've been saying that is we didn't know his name, we didn't know much about him, so i was trying to identify him in some way. >> we could say college student, we could say bystander. the point i'm trying to make here for particularly postf 9/11 veterans, for so long we've been fighting this notion that somehow we are victims rather than assets, that our service meant that we actually gained
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something, that we could contribute to society rather than being something someone thanks for their service and walk away fear we might have an outburst at any point that could be either violent or somehow unstable. and i just find it deeply disappointing. look, this is horrific what occurred, and the judicial process will play out. but it -- we should not just pass it over that he is constantly referred to as a veteran. i mean the insinuations are associated -- >> i appreciate that perspective. that is helpful perspective how we're going to describe this going forward. joe, your thoughts tonight. >> yeah, it's for me -- and there's obviously -- i can appreciate joey kind of walking us through the nuances, but it just feels so clinical on one side. and on the other side just rage that overcomes what happened here. i think that we have a victim who was failed many, many times by the state and by our system
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before he ever stepped foot on that subway car. and then you ask yourself about the impulse to act in a world where so many of us have walked down the street past homeless people wondering whether that person is just sleeping or dead. and now when you have someone saying i'm not afraid to go to prison for the rest of my life, is that impulse to act a good thing? and then to your point juxtaposed with the reality for the length of time he had him in that hold at what point does it become unreasonable? i watched it seemed on its face unreasonable. we all watched what happened with george floyd. it seemed unreasonable. in this case i think we just need more information. but i do think that notwithstanding it is reasonable to have a conversation about was the use of force at that particular point in time justified. but i think some of the rhetoric
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that has now kind of seeped in prevents us from i think having a critical conversation about the many, many, many failures in our government, in our systems that led to this tragedy. >> yeah, i think that's a great point and we'll know more this weekend when we hear from investigators and prosecutors. but i do want to get to kamau's documentary. this is on hbo and it's called "1,000% me." let's watch a little bit. >> when you look in the mirror what do you see? >> i like to think mirrors don't show everything. they show the outside of you but they can't telliothe inside of you or how you identify just by the look of you. >> and if i ask you what ingredients make a miles, what are the ingredients that make you? >> ingredients are family, friends, happiness, thoughtfulness, lots of emotion.
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>> black, asian, and love. >> and a lama and a corgi. that's it. >> can those kids be president? >> i feel the age is too high. >> let's lower for them. whatever they are, let's do that. so tell us about this. >> it's a documentary about mixed race kids. i have three mixed race daughters in my house. the first one is my daughter. don't say anything about that kid. >> she's fantastic. >> she's great. i'm a good parent. so it's about mixed race kids. i think there's a lot of talk about the mixed experience but not a lot of talk to mixed race kids. i got my daughter and two of their friends to talk about what it's like being mixed in this 21st century. >> that's rigreat. we can watch it when?
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newly released video shows former president trump testifying under oath about e. jean carroll's claim that he raped her in the mid-'90s. the trump legal team rested its case yesterday without calling any witnesses. cnn's paula reed has the story. >> reporter: well, alisyn, the defense has rested in this case but the judge is giving trump until the end of the weekend to decide if he wants to testify in person. if he doesn't, though, this newly released video would be the only time the jury in this case heard directly from the former president. >> she's accusing me of rape, a woman that i have no idea who she is. >> reporter: brand new video released showing former president donald trump being grilled for nearly an hour in the civil battery and defamation
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case that writer e. jean carroll brought against him. >> what you're saying there is ms. carroll fabricated her claim that you sexually assaulted her, correct? >> yes, totally. 100%. >> reporter: now the tape coming out in evidence during a weeks long trial all centered around carroll's allegation that trump forced himself on her in a new york department store in the 1990s, a claim trump has denied both in public and during his deposition under oath in october of last year. >> she said that i did something to her that never took place. i will tell you i made that statement and i said, well, it's politically incorrect, she's not my type. and that's 100% true. she's not my type. >> reporter: trump at times getting combative with carroll's lawyers questioning him. >> the worst thing you can do, the worst charge -- and you know
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it's not true, too. you're a political operative also. you're a disgrace. confusing carroll for his ex-wife in a 1980s photo with him in it. >> did you say marla is in this photo? >> that's marla. it's my wife. >> which one are you pointing to? >> the person you just pointed to was e. jean carroll. >> this was the only time the jury in the trial heard from trump as there's now no plan for him to testify and closing arguments are expected early next week. carroll took the stand early in the trial telling the jury i'm here because donald trump raped me, and when i wrote about it he said it didn't happen. he lied and shattered my reputation, and i'm here to try and get my life back. trump's lawyer, joe tacopina, known for his brash and sometimes confrontational style defending clients pressed carroll on her allegations. using her own words, the facts you have alleged in this story
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you have alleged here are odd,tack pena said. carroll responded, certain parts of this story are difficult to conceive of, yes. tacopina pressed carroll on why she wasn't making a scene during the alleged assault. i'm not a screamer. i was too much in panic to scream. you can't beat up on me for not screaming. tacopina shot back i'm not beating you up, i'm asking you questions, ms. carroll. through tears carroll asserted i'm telling you he raped me whether i screamed or not. i don't need an excuse for not screaming. and a lawyer in one of trump's criminal cases tells me he would really prefer if trump not get on the stand in this cosbecause he's concerned about how trump could potentially open himself up to further legal jeopardy. the jury is expected to start deliberations after closing arguments early next week. >> paula, thank you very much. let's bring in cnn legal analysts jennifer rogers and joey jackson. do either of you think that
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donald trump shows up to take the stand? >> no way. >> not at all. >> how -- give me your assessment of that deposition and what that would mean to a jury. >> i don't know that a jury would evaluate that favorably for a number of reasons. first of all toggling back to when he testifies it becomes all about him and i think also his attorneys don't want to credit the testimony too much and him showing up may seem to suggest ethey're in a bit of trouble so he doesn't come. in terms of the deposition testimony i just think, you know, you can't be obnoxious in a deposition. >> why? what happens when you're obnoxious? >> well, when you don't recognize your own wife that's a problem or someone who's not your wife. and you indicate someone not your type but someone you're married to that's problematic. and an attorney that asks questions and say you're not my type either that becomes a problem. and you explain away an "access
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hollywood" tape in which you're saying some pretty inflammatory things i think that's problematic as well. i can't imagine that would land very well. >> jennifer, how about that moment where he mistakes e. jean carroll for marla maples after saying his defense, what he had said repeatedly for why he wouldn't rape her i guess was that she's not his type. and then he mistakes her for his ex-wife, so i think it's safe to assume she might have been his type. >> this is problematic on multiple levels, right, because first of all rape is not about attraction. it's about power and control and domination. you can't really defend a rape allegation saying i don't like how you look, i wouldn't have raped you point number one. but point number two, you're not my type so i wouldn't have raped you and mistakes his wife.
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we don't know the reason because it's been undercut by this ridiculo ridiculousness with the photo. >> let's talk about other case and that is hunter biden. and hunter biden's legal team is apparently going on the offensive, and he's hired abbey lowell which apparently according to paula there's conseritation in the white house about taking an aggressive tact, which maybe abbey lowell would do. on msnbc president biden was asked about this tonight. >> sir, there is something personal that's affecting you. your son while there's no ties to you could be charged by your department of justice. how will that impact your presidency? >> first of all, my son has done nothing wrong. i trust him. i have faith in him, and it impacts my presidency by making me feel proud of him. >> okay, your thoughts. >> look, it's a father defending
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his son. and not only in defense of his son but ultimately he's trying to say that this is -- there's nothing to see her. but on the issue of bringing in abbey lowell, i mean this is a person who's a real deal, defended john edwards successfully, right, the senator of north carolina who was accused of corruption. defended bob menendez as well, defended ivanka trump, jared trump. you know, the bottom line -- kushner, excuse me. the bottom line is i just think going on the offensive sometimes could be effective. everyone has a different style. no one has a monopoly on wisdom, but i think the way he's spinning this on behalf of abbey lowell his client to say, listen, i think this is political and i want to go after you could be very effective. >> i think there are political implications here that really aren't in my wheel house. legally speaking and ethically speaking the biden administration are doing the right thing with this. they've separated themselves
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away from the criminal investigation. he's not involved at all in any of that. they're doing the right things they need to do as far as the legal and ethical stuff. politically that's a whole other kettle of fish. as joey said he's defending his son, saying i love him no matter what, and that's the right thing to do in that category, too. >> okay, friends. thank you very much for your expertise. okay, we have an update tonight on richard glossip, the inmate been on death row in oklahoma for so long he's been given three last meals. today he got the news the supreme court has grant him a stay of execution after the state attorney general said he could no longer support glossip's murder conviction. glossip told cnn's brynn jingras, he'll continue the fight. >> the fight's not over. i'm going to continue to fight. i'm going to continue to get my message out to people. i want people to continue to stand up because until they rule
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and get it right, the fight's never done. >> and richard glossip's attorney said they hope the court will vacate his conviction once and for all. okay, so what happens if talks to raise the debt ceiling fail and the u.s. defaults on its debt as soon as next month? the ripple effects are potentially catastrophic for all of us. we'll explain next.
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it country could default on its debt as soon as june 1ist. president biden spoke about the potential crisis today. >> we're not a deadbeat nation. we pay our bills. and some of you cover a lot of foreign policy of other countries. you know this is becoming an issue in other countries. what's the united states going to do? are they really fooling around with not paying their debt? the last thing this country needs after all we've been through is a manufactured crisis, and that's what this is, a manufactured crisis. >> our panel is back and joining us is cnn economics and political commentator catherine rampel. we've all heard about the dire warnings but you spell it out exactly what it could look like in "the washington post" piece. these are basically the headline. treasuries get downgraded, interest rates rise, the dollar could lose value, it the stock markets plummet.
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that should get peoples attention. companies suffer, infrastructures underpinning the financial system could become overwhelmed. which one do we need to focus on the most right now? >> i mean they're all a little bit scary. the term financial armageddon was invoked with the last of those steps, the idea that the clearinghouses where a lot of these trades take place could go under because you'll have some -- what people in finance would call a global margin call. basically all the collateral underpinning almost every transaction out there gets downgraded, and suddenly brokers and clearinghouses are saying you've got to closeout all your trades and then the system gets overwhelmed and goes down. so that would be terrifying. in which case i suggest everyone invest in bottled water, bullets, and beans. and i roeally hope it doesn't happen. >> i've got half a bottle of
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water already. >> i really hope it doesn't happen. everyone thinks a deal is imminent and maybe it's not so dire, but we just don't know. we haven't been in this situation before. >> congressman, can you explain why congress plays chicken like this? why? what's the point of this game? >> when it democrats were in this situation and they could have played chicken they often did not. >> during the trump presidency. >> exactly. so really what we're seeing right now is the original sin of all of this is kevin mccarthy had to make a deal with 15 potentially more extraordinarily extremist republicans who were representative of an extraordinary extremist base. and one of the criteria, one of the pillars of the deal they made is he's got to engage in this suicidal mission, this politically idiotic -- to make the debt ceiling a political issue when during the campaign,
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2022 campaign, they never once mentioned this issue. it was cost of living, inflation, it was afghanistan, all politically salient issues. they never once mentioned this. so now they're doing this ridiculous action, and they are going to fail. >> i see your cheshire grin. >> it's bad for my blood pressure. i don't know what to tell you. look, i think we have to remember what exactly the debt ceiling is. it is money we've already spent. it is the credit card statement saying this is what you owe and here's the date these need to be paid. i think -- respectfully i think that's a missali-allocation of we talk about it. they said republicans are gose going to dismantle medicare. that's not what's happening. i think if you're looking at what americans are facing,
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record inflation that we know is harming people on main street, if you're dealing with economic uncertainty on main street, i don't think it's unreasonable after we printed $6 trillion to deal with a once in a generational pandemic, after we had an omny bus spending package you say perhaps we should consider having a conversation about tightening the belt. i don't think we're going to default. i think if you talked to the it 17 republicans that the president has labeled as extremist for trying to cancel everything from meal on wheels to the price is right on twitter, that, yes, those people recognize we can't default on the debt. but at the end of the day we should be having a conversation about responsible spending, and i don't think that's extremism. i think it's extreme to say that anyone -- >> so i agree with you. we have long-term fiscal problems, and i think i maybe agree with you that they are largely driven by the structure of our entitlement programs and our demographic trends. i do not agree that there is any
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universe in which threatening to default on our debt solves any of those problems. if anything it will make them worse. we saw in 2011 when we came close to defaulting on our debt that raised the borrowing cost for the u.s. government by a billion dollars that year alone. >> and who made us default on our debt back then? >> it was the republicans. >> when i was a kid we made fun of other countries doing what we do now. not paying their debts, not believing in science, not teaching the accurate history, we're doing all that stuff now. and i would encourage people to google venezuela, a country that use today be on top of the world and suddenly they started playing games and restricting things. >> what type of games do they play in venezuela? i think, again, i don't think any republican is intent on defaulting. i think if you talk to most people that are in the robust majority in the house they're
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not planning on it. >> i think it's true -- well, i think mccarthy doesn't want to default. i think most of the republicans don't want to default. i don't know if all of them believe that or if all of them realize what kind of crisis it would be if in fact we did. >> the reality is we don't need all of them. we need the majority of members in congress. >> go ahead, max. >> my friend to the right of me both literally and figuratively is missing something cuply critical here, which is that when these members say we're not going to default, we're not going to default but then they engage in this incredibly irresponsible action, let's judge them by what they're doing, not by what they're saying. and this is incredibly dangerous and merely representative of the fact they're playing base politics. >> guys, i'm sorry we're out of time. we have so much still coming up. stick around for this. up next i'm going to speak to shonda rhymes, the creative
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at the transformative decade. up first we examine the rise of peak tv and its impact on pop culture america. here's a preview. >> the 2010s have ushered in a new era called peek tv. >> the like button was a mark of genius. >> it can be frustrating this business of democracy. >> i am running for president of the united states. >> it was a moment that said we have to tell our stories. >> i may be the voice of my generation or at least a voice. >> joining us now is the creative mastermind of some of the biggest tv and streaming hits of the 2010s and beyond including grey's anatomy, scandal, bridgerten, and the upcoming queen charlotte, the shonda rhimes. it is great to see you. >> hello. i'm so glad to be here. >> your body of work is obviously so successful.
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can you just take us back to the beginning as you were starting to conceive these various shows and what was your inspiration, what was your mission at the time? >> at the time i was really wanting to make shows i wanted to watch. i felt like i wanted to see shows that represented me, represented the women i knew, that showed women in various stages of being competitive or angry or dark or joyful. you wanted to see everything. >> if we look at three of your biggest hits of the 2010s, grey's anatomy, which of course is still running now in its 19th season. and for scandal that introduced viewers to its first black leading lady in a drama in decades. and how to get away with murder, which egot winner viola davis says put her on the map. epe of these shows is groundbreaking in its own way. is there a through line that you would say contributed to their success? >> i think part of the through line really was portraying these
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women as they actually are, portraying women as they actually are, not idealized. i was telling someone before grey's came out i didn't see women who were competitive in their job or necessarily liked each other or fought for things they cared about. on television they were always somebody's wife or mother or perfect representation of a woman versus being a real woman. >> and how big would you say a role does sex appeal play? is that actually one of your secret sauces? >> you know, i never thought of it as i can pick up somebody with sex appeal, but it seems to be a strange gift i have in casting to sort of find the guy that people want to watch. it also helps these guys are amazing actors. >> for sure. and your women have a lot of sex appeal as well. >> i guess they do, yeah, that's true. but that's not it. i've been enjoying it so far. >> us, too. so the 2010s saw the advent, of course, of streaming entertainment. and you embraced streaming with
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the netflix hits bridgerten, and inventing anna. so did this new platform change the way you approach story telling? and in general how do you think it's changed the kinds of stories or the kinds of characters that we see? >> i don't think it's changed the way i approach story telling. there is some difference in how things are produced. you're making many less episodes than you were on network television. but i also think that it hasn't changed necessarily the stories i'm telling, perhaps the way i'm telling stories can be more adventurous. and the depth we're going into with the characters can be a little bit more adventurous. there's a certain kind of show i was making for abc. now it's a very different kind of show because we have no boundaries. >> that's great. i mean no boundaries sounds very delicious. so there's of course lots of buzz about the premier of queen charlotte on netflix this week. this is prequel on bridgerton
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and actually based loosely on a character queen charlotte. >> you watch charlotte on bridgerton and she's fascinating the amount of depth. and i became really interested in how did this woman get this way, how did she become this person? there's a real historical figure but also what made her. >> i heard it's your most personal project. how so? >> i think one of the things i said was if i retired tomorrow i would be content because i really loved making this project. the actors, working with everybody they were such fantastic people. and the story we got to tell which was from the past to the present and back again is -- it was really a challenge for me to tell and to figure out how to tell it correctly. >> have you followed the drama of the real royal family? >> you know what? i try not to because i always
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think these are actual people and we've turned them into sort of commodities to watch. and i sort of stay out that part. >> so as you know the country's in the midst of some heated culture wars. do you think that the entertainment industry has a role to play one way or another in those? >> i mean i think definitely the entertainment industry shifts culture all the time. people are definitely affected by what they watch. i think that's a good thing, and i think it's necessary. >> on my program here on cnn on primetime we do a lot of stories latery about artificial intelligence. do you have anxiety about how ai will change your business? >> i find it very creepy. i mean i do. i look at that and i think this technology is -- i don't think necessarily it's going to damage my career, but the idea you could make actors say things they wouldn't normally say or
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make a film without actual humans is very disturbing to me. >> yeah, you're not alone. okay, give us a preview what we can expect to see out of shonda land next? >> oh, wow, first we have queen charlotte coming up. so hopefully you're watching that and enjoying it. after that we have -- and set in the white house. i'm excited about that. >> what do we need to know about queen charlotte? >> queen charlotte is fun and sexy but really the examination of a complicated love story. it's not a fairy tale ending but something that starts as a fairy tale and grows into something more specific. we're watching a young woman come into her power. >> that's awesome, shonda. we can't wait to see it. thanks for your time. it's really great to talk to
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>> cooking for 20 guys is nothing. how about enough pasta for 300? someone dumped several hundred pounds of pasta and uncooked noodles along the side of a creek in new jersey. roughly 15 wheelbarrows of spaghetti, ziti and elbow macaroni. from work this macaroni mystery let's bring in a when henry. this is a crazy story. what did you think when 300 pounds of pasta showed up in your town? >> i wasn't surprised. as a mayor you have to be ready for everything. it came as a bit okay, let's take care of it. >> 300 pounds of pasta along the creek bread did not shock you? >> it did not fall out of the sky, we hope not. within hours it was cleaned up. i can't believe it has taken on a life of its own like this.
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i'm on cnn and i'm not talking about a tragedy but something that is pretty humorous. i can go on and on about the suspect. >> let's talk about that. when these pictures were posted on social media, people cooked up a ton of puns. i will read some tu. here's one from dennis hogan. some people will commit illegal dumping for silly reasons. obviously it is a mystery but we can only know so much about what happened. here's one. the police won't stop until the perpetrator is identified. here's one. we should send the perpetrators to the state penitentiary. what was your favorite joke about all of this? >> it is going on and on and on. they are just going on.
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how did you get rid of all of this? >> public works scooped it up with a machine and put it in a dump truck and dispose of it properly. we were forecast for very heavy rains i thought in the best interest of everyone that the pasta did not get washed into the waterway and clog up one of the basins of the pipe, just get it out of there. obviously this could've went -- it's food. i'm hoping it is expired. not good pasta, that could not have been accepted at one of our local food bank or pantries no one likes to see food wasted like this. this was just not disposed of in the right way. that something you put in your
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trash. we are under the impression it posts no environmental issues it's made of flower, water and eggs. there's no toxic materials . i just can't believe it has taken on a life of his own. >> who did this? you solve the mystery for us. who did this? >> we are looking into it and i'm pretty confident we will find out who did it, why they did it and make sure they won't do it again. >> there are reports there are media reports that it was somebody who is may be elderly mom passed away and she had stockpiled a lot of dry pasta. they just wanted to get rid of it. is there truth to that? >> we will get into it. i can't get into details that i don't know.
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we are looking into it. i'm confident. >> well, like you, the biggest tragedy here is pasta. i hope you get to the bottom of it. thank you so much for coming on today. yes. get to the bottom of the possible. thank you so much. we will talk again. >> thank you, everyone. >> thank you so much foror watching, our coverage continues now. but stephahanie got inspire. an implanted d device that works inside the body to help her sleep. unlike her sister. there's more than one way to treat your sleep apnea. if you struggle with cpap, look into getting inspire. inspire. sleep apnea innovation. learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com.
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