secretary tonight. >> if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling, we just will not have enough money at that time to be able to pay all of the bills. it is widely agreed this would be a huge hit to the economy and really an economic catastrophe. >> using the word catastrophe there. yellen also saying she is worried about negotiations between the president and republicans. well, then, i guess she doesn't need to be worried about that tonight because even though i mentioned biden will be hosting a high stakes meeting at the white house with the four top leaders of congress tomorrow, and that is a crucial meeting, the white house does say this particular meeting will not actually include negotiations on raising the debt ceiling itself. thanks so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. though it is hard to say that. it is not a good evening when a

6-year-old boy is the only survivor of a family trip to the mall. william cho was wounded in saturday's mass shooting at allen premium outlets north of dallas. his baby brother james, mother cindy, and father were killed, murdered. a gofundme post written by friends said william had just celebrated his sixth birthday four days prior to the shooting. it is not a good evening when the only future for two little girls is in how they'll be remembered by those who loved them. daniela mendoza was in the fourth grade and her sister sophia a second grader. r rays of sunshine is how their school principal described them. their mom was critically wounded. it is not a good evening when this woman's family is making plans to return her body to india for a funeral. her name was a-that the canada. she came to pursue a masters how to grow delicious herbs: step one: use miracle-gro potting mix. that's it. miracle-gro. all you need to know to grow. our customers don't do what they do for likes or followers. their path isn't for the casually curious. and that's what makes it matter the most when they find it. the exact thing that can change the world. some say it's what they were born to do... it's what they live to do... trinet serves small and medium sized businesses... so they can do more of what matters. benefits. payroll. compliance. trinet. people matter. looking tonight at the southern border, what might degree and was at the mall with a friend who was also wounded. happen when title 42 restrictions expire this week immigration question that are also political viable. nor is it a good evening when a according to a new federal

estimate 152,000 migrants were young man christian lacour is waiting in shelters and streets in the northern mexican border remembered in death as a person states as of this weekend. who lit up a room instead of some perspective from univision being celebrated in life for it. anchor jorge ramos. in all eight people were killed on saturday. the killer wounded himself before he was shot dead. thanks so much for joining us. 128 days into the year the what do you think happens when country's 202nd mass shooting. title 42 expires this week? 202 incidents in which four more is it going to be a big change? >> there is going to be a change people had been wounded or but the surge is already killed. happening. last year there were 2.7 million 202 opportunities as a society to do more to actually honor the victims of gun violence by taking meaningful steps to make immigrants crossing from mexico to the united states according them the last victims not merely to the border patrol. the latest. the year before it was 2 so far, though, not much million. this year we're going exactly in the same direction. meaningful has happened either so what we have to see probably in texas or across the country. it was almost a year ago as you this coming thursday is an even higher number of immigrants know a gunman murdered 14 fourth crossing the border from, let's graders and two teachers in say, about 6,000 every day to uvalde, texas. today almost a year later and about 13,000 every day. by the way, the "new york times" after nonstop pressure from was reporting that because we their parents two republicans crossed party lines to move a have been sending a lot of bill out of a state house immigrants to mexico there are committee to raise the age for buying semiautomatic weapons from 18 to 21. 35,000 immigrants waiting right the vote came on the last

possible day to act and after now in juarez on the other side of e 10,000 committee members kept uvalde immigrants are waiting on the families waiting 13 hours to other side of san diego, testify. the bill is not expected to get california. so this ise -- another incremen any further. today by the way in belgrade, surge and no government could serbia a week after two mass handle something like this. th shootings, thousands of wouldn't have been prepared for something like this. protesters rallied outside of if you send 15,000 or even 1500 serbia's parliament and government offices demanding soldiers, troops to the border, measures to stop the violence. or create a new application or for them, though, this comes after the only two mass even send more agents, it is just like throwing rocks to a shootings in modern memory. not the 202nd this year. river. the current won't be stopped. for more on how the latest the flow grows much, much horror unfolded and everything stronger. >> so many come saying they wan that happened since ed lavandera currently, there's not enough joins us with more. judges to hear cases. that process takes years before >> reporter: cnn has been able to review extensive postings by the shooter on a russian social anybody can even get a hearing let alone prove their case, media site. which is very difficult. these include an array of if you're fleeing for economic information, appraising the nashville shooter who killed six people, including several children, the shooter wrote approvingly of nazi ideology and also showed off pictures of his arsenal of firearms and even

more disturbing, there was a picture, a screen shot of a google maps picture taken reasons or even security reasons not related to politics or being several weeks ago here at this part of a particular group you outlet mall that showed the are very unlikely to get asylum. gunman just what day of the week would be the busiest day here. the system is completely overwhelmed it seems. >> the system i think is completely broken and we have to understand that this is going to minutes after gunfire erupted at be the new normal. the 1948. the outlet mall in allen, the border is porous, full of texas -- >> we need more ambulances. >> reporter: it was clear to holes, easy toors. first responders the scene was a push factors right now that mass casualty event. expel people from their country, >> we have multiple -- they are very strong. we have three dictatorships in the region, mexico is incredibly >> does the suspect have an ar violent. just last year more than 30,000 rifle? >> 10:4. people were assassinated. >> reporter: after killing eight people and wounding at least the rest of the country, the seven others mauricio garcia was rest of the region we see a lot killed by a police officer at of poverty and it is the most the scene. a law enforcement source tells unequal region of the world. cnn the gunman served three months in the u.s. army and did so this is expelling people from their countries. not complete basic training and then we have the pull factors was removed because of mental just to mention unemployment is health concerns. despite this, texas state only 3.4%. records show garcia was approved so if you put both things to work as a commissioned security guard and even received together, this is normal that

firearms training. witnesses say garcia acted calmly as he carried out the attack. >> he was kind of in a deliberate, assault type mood. >> reporter: a senior law enforcement official tells cnn garcia left an extensive trail of pro nazi and white supremist related social media postings people fleeing from poverty, online. in 2019, texas governor greg from persecution, from violence abbott created a state domestic will go to the richest country terrorism task force after the where they can feel more protected and where they can el paso walmart massacre, which have better opportunities. would, quote, increase the that's where they're coming and detection and monitoring of by the way they'll keep coming by the millions. domestic terrorism and other >> unless there is some sort of mass casualty threats including neo-nazi and white nationalist compromise solution between the political parties in the united groups. >> i want to know what dps has been doing. states, it is very little, very what threads they've been following on twitter or facebook difficult to see how anything will actually change. or any kind of social media from i mean, how -- people like this man in allen. >> exactly. >> reporter: texas dps and >> -- more judges will be hired, you know, there will be governor abbott have not answered questions about the different border security things shooting investigation. >> the people of allen but passed. unless there is some sort of especially the families want to compromise, each side know right now why this compromises, nothing it seems will get done. happened. >> you know there is going to be how it happened. >> reporter: we are also no compromise whatsoever and learning heart breaking details enforcement only, it isn't going of what happened to the cho

family. to help. we can only hope jus. the family of four was at the mall together but only a long term solution would 6-year-old william survived the require first toready here. no one wants to talk about that. and then we have to increase the shooting. his parents, along with his number of legal immigrants 3-year-old brother, james, were coming to this country. all killed. william remains in the hospital every year we accept about a and was just removed from the icu. two young sisters were also million legal immigrants and killed in the shooting. according to the numbers the last two years tha fourth grader daniela mendoza least 2 million legal immigrants coming to th states and and second grader sophia asylum seekers and refugees have mendoza. their mother remains the right to apply especially hospitalized in critical condition. fleeing poverty or persecution and violence but nothing is other victims include aishwarya going to change. thatikonda an engineer who lived i think we have to realize that in mckinney, texas, and christian lacour a 20-year-old the system is broken and no one mall security guard. >> he was the kindest and is doing absolutely anything sweetest most caring man you about it. would ever interact with. and that this is going t no one is doing absolutely anything >> reporter: public officials about it. struggle to cure an epidemic of and that this is going to be the new normal. mass shootings. in central america and latin >> the first step leading to coming up new claims f some type of resolution here is to know exactly why and how this happened. >> we've heard from this governor about mental illness and evil and everything else. that is all bull -- every time surrounding the 2018 death of something happens, it is something else.

he has a solution for this that is not related to the common denominator, which is guns. >> what more do we know about the survivors still in the alex murdaugh's family hospital? >> reporter: we know there are seven survivors still in the death but her family is not hospital. buying it. three of them are in critical that is next. condition. that includes the mother of the mendoza girls. and the other four are in fair and good condition so there have been some improvements in some cases but several simply, anderson, are fighting for their lives still tonight. >> ed lavandera, appreciate it. joshua barnwell was a the mall shopping with a friend when the shooting began. he is a navy combat veteran with training in emergency care for wounded people, which he put to use on saturday. i talked to him a few minutes ago right before air time. we want you to hear from him what he saw and what he did. i just want to tell you some of the details are gut wrenching, but he and we want you to hear them because it is what was done to our fellow human beings. it's what was done to women and children and men.

it happened and it is real. and ignoring it just doesn't feel like the right thing to do. thank you so much for joining us. first of all, how are you doing? you have been through something which is just horrific. >> i could comfortably say i'm doing good, given the circumstances. you know, considering all this occurred. >> i know you were there when the shooting began. you heard it r you hid out in a lucky jeans store. you made sure people around you were down, keeping as safe as possible. at a certain point you made the decision it was safe to come out and you went directly to where you believed the gunfire had come from. when you got there, what did you see? >> when i initially got in front of the h & m store, it was, the first thing i noticed was the

gunshot blasted windows to that store, and then as i started to, you know, rotate around and observe the next thing i noticed was in an alcove area where there was a landscaped flower bed if you will, i noticed in front of it was a woman who had, you know, collapsed on top of herself and had perished there. then i turned around or turned, you know, turned my gaze toward the left and i noticed a gentleman there who was i guess for lack of a better word writhing in pain. he had what appeared to be a shoulder wound. he was actually in the flower bed. there was a young child, you know, my guess at the time was between 6 and 8 years old that was lying there. her state was unknown but did not look promising. and then next to her was an

adult woman who had multiple, multiple, vicious gunshot wounds. she had a, the head of a young lady draped on her left shoulder facing downward who also appeared to have multiple, very traumatic injuries and gunshot wounds. then at the foot of that young lady was basically a pile with a man on top, who was again writhing in pain with what appeared to be a shoulder or chest wound. and below him was a deceased woman that come later to find out was his wife. then he had a young child with him, maybe 5 or 6 years old, that was just drenched in blood. i mean, the color of whatever fabric he was wearing was nearly

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and i began to do chest after she had fallen down the steps at their south carolina compressions and some mouth to home.asn't home when it happened on february mouth. then i went back to continue 2nd, 2018, but blamed it on the chest compressions at which time family's dogs. >> she indicated the dogs caused the -- just a vile amount of her to fall. what i assume happened is when blood came out from underneath her from her back and i realized gloria pulled up, the dogs, you at that point with her coloring know, rushing her. >> for affection. and that state she had already >> for affection. been deceased, you know, the >>a satterfield later died at the hospital. blood loss was just the story about the dogs being responsible, murdaugh now says unbelievable. it's gnaw true. so i then returned back to her but why? it's all about money. following her death, murdaugh mother and just tried to analyze arranged for her surviving sons to sue him, given it was his the wounds, check out the bleeding. she had a pretty large portion dogs' fault, but when nautilus of her neck that had been paid $3.8 million to the compromised. satterfield estate to settle the both of her legs, her arm that was visible, both with just case, murdaugh kept the money. massive, atrocious bullet wounds years later, he admitted to the point where the bone was splintered and, you know, the stealing the money and agreed to a judgment against him. tissue was everywhere on the >> i have never disputed since i was confronted on labor day walls, etcetera. but she was talking with me and

my main thing was to keep her weekend that i took money from stable, keep her daughter, who my clients. >> but now, nautilus insurance also was making movement and company has filed a lawsuit trying to contain to keep them against murdaugh, claiming it relied on d stable, and just tried to apply pressure and minimize any more disbursed funds based upon the fraud and deceit directly and loss that we could get. i mean, i had no tools. approximately causing damage to nautilus. the insurance company is looking to recover the $3.8 million it i'm not a trained medic. so i was just going with what paid murdaugh in thehere the do training i do have. come in. court papers show murdaugh is and doing the best that i could suddenly changing his story, while we were waiting for saying it was waall, though he isn't offering an trained medical technicians to alternate cause. arrive so we could get them off in court papers, his lawyers to a hospital. i did continue to try to -- >> that mother was asking about her daughter. wrote defendant made up the >> yeah. i eventually had to, yeah. and eventually i tried to buy statement. murdaugh and his lawyers time because i didn't want to directed nautilus insurance have to tell her but eventually company to instead claw back the i realized i couldn't, there was insurance money paid from the no way around it, so i had to satterfield family, not from tell her that i couldn't work on alex murdaugh. >> it's almost a perversion of her daughter anymore because her daughter was deceased but that i the justice system to suggest needed her to hang in there that satterfield family be because her husband was there victimized again.

>> attorney eric bland represents the family. and, you know, very frantic, distraught, understandably. her daughter was there. >> nautilus insurance company has never paid one cent to the her daughter was still with us so i needed her to fight. i needed her to fight for her husband and her daughter and the family that was still there. satterfields. and that is what i kept relaying >> that's because alex murdaugh to her and to her daughter. deposited that money into his just please fight. own account. he believes he's changing the story now so he's not on the and be there for the family that hook to pay any of those you have. >> how old was the child who millions back. as far as what really happened died? with the dogs that day, we may do you think? never know. there were no surveillance >> i believe around 6. cameras on the property, no eyewitnesses. 6 or 7 years old. still alive at the time in 2018. >> how long did it take for the they did corroborate others' ambulances to come? >> initially, we had paramedics arrive on foot with their trauma bags, trauma kits. when they arrived, again, there were still too many wounded for accounts. they were home at the time and them to handle, so i worked with did corroborate others' accounts saying at least one or more of them on applying the stop the the dogs tripped the bleed tourniquets and, you know, housekeeper. what we do know is alex murdaugh

that day saw an opening and at one point i had to use the opportunity and ended up stealing millions of dollars trauma shears to remove her bra and her shirt because she had a wound on her breast. and so i had to apply a compression bandage on to that. and so i was working with them, you know, they were giving me the supplies and i was applying them while they were also working with the under wounded. i would probably say from the time that i arrived till we actually started getting victims on to ambulances was probably the better part of ten or so minutes, largely due to the fact that trying to get ambulances into the area with the possibility of there still be an active shooter requires a great deal of difficulty to not potentially cause damage or make an ambulance driver a victim. >> you stayed on scene helping for hours, didn't you? >> many hours, yeah, i stayed

there till all the patients were gone there. the patient next to the h & m who came out and i thought i was going to have to use my pickup truck to get her out of there but we were able to get an ambulance and get her out. and then once we were escorted out, i was then asked by a gentleman who was there, also on a voluntary basis, to assist with getting the people, the people off the streets so that emergency vehicles could come in and out and helping with the crowds of people that were coming out of the mall that were being stationed in the grassy area there. and in doing that, i also, you know, had people that were approaching me that had medical conditions or were in need of water or hydration that i was working with getting them to a paramedic to assist with their medical situations or getting them water and handing out and distributing water and helping the police officers with that. just trying to do what i could

do so that the police officers, the fire department, and the ems could do the skilled jobs they need to be there to do and i could kind of be this infill. >> joshua, i think it is extraordinary what you did, and i just wonder if there is anything you want people to know about what you saw, what you went through, what the others went through >> i mean, the most important thing, the reason i even agreed to do these interviews, because i'll be honest, i'm pretty tired, but was because i want people to really, i want it to really sink in. i want people to really and truly understand the depths of the depravity that occurred and, you know, if in the detail it upsets them, then i'm glad, because it should. because it was a disastrous situation but there were a lot

of good people there, both civilians and of course naturally the law enforcement, the paramedics, the emts, and the firefighters that just really gave it their all to, in a situation where it is very difficult to navigate, you know, in those kind of conditions. but, yeah. my biggest thing is just for people to realize and know how tragic this truly, really, really was, that people lost their lives. that people's lives even though they may still be alive, they are forever changed and generally speaking not for the positive. >> joshua barnwell, i appreciate your time. thank you. and i appreciate what you did. thank you. >> thank you, sir. >> joshua barnwell is his name. next for us closing arguments in e. jean carroll's stealing millions of dollars from thi i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. talk to your dermatologist about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save. your wyndham is waiting. ♪ when bucket lists need checking... points need redeeming... work trips need crushing... or anniversaries need... celebrating? no matter who you are, where you're going, or why. with 24 trusted brands by wyndham to choose from... your wyndham is waiting. get the lowest price at wyndhamhotels.com rape case against the former ♪ they need their lawn back fast and you need scotts turf builder rapid grass. it grows grass 2 times faster than just seed alone. giving you a stronger lawn. smell that freedom, eh? pick up a bag at lowe's today. feed your lawn. feed it. this mother's day, show mom that you worship the ground she walks on. or in this case, stands on. the new anti-fatigue comfortmat from weathertech is a gift she'll appreciate all year round. and comes in a variety of colors and finishes. and for mom's vehicle, there's cupfone, and seat protector. show mom that she deserves the best with an american made gift from weathertech. mom's gonna love this! happy mother's day from weathertech. we end the story with a president. bittersweet moment over the what jurors heard and what one weekend. taylor swift gives her hat to a

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which her attorneys allege a pattern of behavior from the former president over the years and sought to reinforce it with video from his deposition. the defense presented no case. both sides did give closing arguments. what did they say in the closing arguments? >> reporter: so e. jean carroll's attorneys were up first and they said to the jury, look who is not here. donald trump is a no show in this civil rape and defamation trial. they said to the jury, you should look that he did not come here and say to your face and deny that these allegations that he had raped carroll. told the jury they should hold it against the former president and said also they should look at the video deposition trump had given last october. the jury saw a lot of that deposition, about 48 minutes of it over two days of the trial. they said that trump was a witness against himself. what they meant was the portion of the testimony where trump is shown a black and white photo of him with e. jean carroll a few years before the alleged assault

and in the deposition trump mistakenly thinks e. jean carroll is his second wife marla maples. that is why carroll's attorney says it shows e. jean carroll was in fact donald trump's type. they also played the access hollywood tape repeatedly to the jury on closing and they say trump is telling you in an unguarded moment what he really thinks about women. they called the video a confession. they also said in order for the jury to find for trump they would have to believe everyone else who testified at this trial was lying. that includes the two women who testified for carroll, saying she confided in them in the mid 1990s and also the two other women who came forward and said trump sexually assaulted them. those people's testimony carroll's attorneys argued was part of a pattern of trump's behavior. trump's lawyer spoke for more than two hours during his closing arguments and said that carroll's lawyers want the jury to hate trump enough to ignore the facts. he also said there were many pieces of carroll's testimony in her story that they said was

just unbelievable. pointing to how she testified there was no one in the department store the night of the alleged rape. that, you know, calling it inconceivable she would have had her purse in her hands and her tights wouldn't be ripped while she was being violently assaulted. he argued to the jury the two friends she confided in were part of a conspiracy colluding with carroll to try to get trump out of office because they didn't like him and that carroll was seeking both fame and money by bringing this lawsuit. you know, and then that was kind of the summing up of all the testimony today in the case. both sides giving their best arguments to the jury. >> so they are expected to get it tomorrow? >> reporter: yeah. that's right. first thing in the morning the judge will instruct the jury on the law, telling them what carroll's side needs to prove in order to find trump liable. of course the burden of proof is with carroll. the standard as a civil case is not the same as a criminal case, just more likely than not that

the, trump both, you know, raped or sexually assaulted carroll and the defamation claim also has a different standard, one of clear and convincing evidence. so when the judge lays out what the jury needs to find they will then begin deliberations. we expect deliberations to start maybe around 11:00 a.m. eastern and the jury will take as long as they need until they reach a verdict. >> thank you. with me now is a former federal prosecutor jessica roth now a professor at the school of law. talking about the access hollywood tape and the deposition tape played for the jury, in that deposition tape trump was asked about the "access hollywood" tape and he doubled down on it essentially. he didn't just give the oh, it's a locker room thing which is what the campaign worked out initially to kind of, you know, push it to the side. he doubled down saying stars for millions of years, not that there were stars millions of years ago but that is what he basically said have been able to

just, you. >> grab women by the, you know, private parts and get away with it and he said fortunately or unfortunately, which is remarkable. >> it is an extraordinary moment of testimony. you know. >> for a guy who has been sued so much he gives the worst depositions i've ever heard. >> that moment just jumped out at me. absolutely. when i watched the deposition. essentially he is saying, not confessing to doing that to e. jean carroll but saying he is a star and that is what stars can do. >> yes. i think he is asked in the deposition and you are a star. >> do you consider yourself a star? yes, certainly. >> he says that is what people have done, what stars have done for millions of years as you said and then he followed up with fortunately or unfortunately. i mean, the notion that there could be anything fortunate about people doing that. and that he would agree that's what people have done, people who are sort of my status.

we don't know what is going to happen tomorrow but in my mind that was a moment that could lose a jury if there was a jury, any juror holding on for him. >> how important are closing arguments in a case usually? >> very important. that is the lawyer's opportunity to sum up all the evidence in the case and really argue it to the jury. openings are supposed to be a little bit more matter of fact. right here is our preview of what we expect the evidence will show. they are not supposed to be as argumentative. closing arguments is when you really get to argue your case. at that point all the evidence is in so you know exactly what the witnesses said, what the exhibits are. and you can put it together in a way that robby caplan did very effectively with the chart showing the similarities between the allegations of sexual assault by the different women, the two other women who allege trump assaulted them in semi public spaces and how consistent the accounts were not only with e. jean carroll's account but also what trump said in that "access hollywood" video about how he just moves on women, right? he can't control himself and he just grabs them by their

genitals. the consistency of those accounts and of that essential modus operandi is extraordinary. >> he said he started by kissing women, just do it and you get away with it. given that this is a civil case what are the potential penalties? this is not a criminal case. >> no. this is all about financial penalties. a judgment of what amount he should pay in damages so there was an expert who testified for e. jean carroll trying to give an estimate of what it would cost to repair her reputation. i believe the range given was something in the high 300s thousands of dollars to something like $2 million. the jury is not bound by that and can also award punitive damages. it is up to the jury what they think is a reasonable and proportionate amount. >> if they felt the rape had occurred and he had been disparaging her punitive damages might even escalate? >> yes. >> based on that. >> so i think that is going to be perhaps the most interesting part of the jury deliberations

tomorrow is to say if they all agree fairly quickly on whether to hold him liable, if they do, then they would move on to damages, so that is the question of how do they come up with those numbers? >> appreciate it. thank you very much. next the perilous ride many migrants are taking north through mexico. a new estimate on how many tens of thousands of migrants are now at or near the u.s. border as authorities prepare for a surge coming in just several days they say. purple is different. soft and firm, in all your right places. the gelflelex grid keeps you cool, while sleep does it's scientifically proven thing. risese sharper, happier, an overnight success. was also the first time your profits left you speechless. at theounter or on the go, save 20% with the lowest transaction fees start saving today at godaddy.com

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agencies bracing for a sudden influx of migrants at the southern border when pandemic era restrictions which made it easier to send them back to mexico expires thursday. the number could top 150,000 according to a source familiar with the federal estimates. >> reporter: at the u.s. southern border the struggle is constant. the illegal crossings like this one really tough to watch. having already clawed through the barbed wire you could see this young woman frustrated, exhausted, trying to help the other trapped in a web of sharp metal at the texas border. from above you might think they're the only two crossing this day. but the clothes dangling along the miles and miles of fencing say otherwise. for many migrants fleeing countries like venezuela, nicaragua, cuba, and others, this is the final stop before trying to claim asylum in the u.s. >> can they wait in places like

this? you see the sidewalk full of an encampment, different tents. >> reporter: we've seen thousands flooding the streets in shelters of this mexican border town. this 22-year-old woman, her husband, and their 4-year-old little girl camped out here for three months already. she says they're going to cross but she doesn't want to do it illegally. she wants to do it the right way. you don't know when? >> reporter: in recent weeks the u.s. government rolled out an updated cbp-1 app allowing migrants north of mexico city to register digitally for a limited number of interview spots with asylum officers. no one we've talked to has been able to secure an appointment yet. she is not sure she'll ever get one. she lost her phone in a fire a few weeks back. but she and others tell me they've come too far to turn around. her young daughter carries the marks to prove it.

she says she has some burns, still, on her face from the sun. from being on top of the train. >> reporter: the journey to jaurez from southern mexico is hundreds of miles so many ride the rails north on top of freight trains. we caught up with one just as it was arriving into juarez. migrants right on top here. many have made the journey on this train alone for more than eight hours. he said there were 12 hours on the train. he said it was so cold everything felt like ice. his whole family here and he says now they're going to stay a night, get cleaned up, and prepare to cross into the u.s. but leonardo's mom is terrified to climb down.

her loved ones at first encouraging then telling her, let's go. part of the train journey north for some is on what is called the beast or the train of death. a ride dangerous and deadly and often controlled by cartels. hours making this treacherous trek is scarring. but imagine days onboard. she says they were four days on this train. she said it was horrible. really cold. four kids, his wife, four and a half days on the train. [ speaking in non-english ] he says it is for american dream. they're going to try to cross today. another 25 miles under the hot sun to the border from here. precious cargo carried on

shoulders, and in hand. most end up where we started, at the barbed wire. the added barrier rolled out in recent months by the texas national guard. it does not stop the crossings. it does slow them a bit. the young woman uses her jacket to create a gap while the other tosses through it bottles of water and a backpack. their only belongings. a quick hug and they hurry along likely to turn themselves in to u.s. officials. more will follow. >> joining us now from mexico, what is next for the two women we saw going through the barbed wire fencing? do you know how title 42 expiring on thursday might impact others like them? >> reporter: technically they are in the u.s. because they made it through the barbed wire fencing, which is the same you see behind me. yet not into the u.s. on the other side of the border wall. but they are on u.s. territory.

in their state of kind of limbo it almost becomes a refugee camp behind me. you see hundreds of folks just on this portion of the wall waiting to be processed. now, a lot of these folks, here is what is really interesting. they tell me they are no longer looking a the schedule. when we'd speak to folks back in december they'd say we're waiting for it to end and potentially we'll have an opportunity. they've seen so much back and forth on u.s. policy they just say we are on our own schedule and if it happens to lift by the time we get to cross great if not we'll try again and again. we talked to folks who have made multiple attempt and some say they'll figure out how to go in undetected. it is desperation and determination at this point. >> thank you. up next univision anchor jorge ramos' take on the situation and measures to address it. he's alright... i love watching ththe game with you. call 1-800-directv t to get a $200 reward card.

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