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it comes to breast cancer screenings. new draft recommendations say that women should start getting mammograms a decade earlier than expected. we're following these major developing stories and many more coming in right here to "cnn news central." here in two hours the most powerful figures in washington will be convening at the white house to feel each other out on a bitter debt ceiling standoff, and the prospects, they are not promising. the lead negotiators, president biden on one side, speaker mccarthy on the other, they haven't budged in months. the white house refuses to call today's meeting even a negotiation and the speaker rules out one possible solution a short-term deal. that leaves the country with about three weeks before a u.s. debt default. treasury says it could happen as soon as june 1st and it would spark an economic catastrophe on

wall street, on main street, and just about everywhere in between. jeremy diamond is at the white house for us. the administration really seems to be throwing some cold water on the idea we'll be seeing progress today. >> reporter: brianna, they're setting expectations very low for the potential for any kind of substantive progress to come out of this meeting. white house officials tell me heading into this meeting that president biden is determined to hold the line on his view that a clean debt ceiling increase is the only way out of what he has called a manufactured crisis by republicans. on the other hand he is willing to have a discussion about spending and that's potentially where you could see developments here. the notion that white house is willing to engage on discussions about spending and perhaps we will see some kind of process set up for negotiations going forward, that is certainly one of the open questions. the white house press secretary today reiterating once again for anyone who is expecting president biden to go into this meeting with something different, to offer kevin mccarthy an off ramp, they're

mistaken. listen. >> people have asked, will the president give speaker mccarthy an off ramp, an exit strategy, the exit strategy is very clear, do your job. congress must act, prevent a default. that's what a -- not for him. it's not about the president. it's about the american economy and the american people. that's what the president views as success and that's the way that it should be done. regular order. >> reporter: and brianna, as you know, getting to that description of success as the white house press secretary says, is a very, very far away idea. and despite the fact that we are just over three weeks away now from the u.s. potentially hitting that debt ceiling, this is really just the first act in what's going to be a multistep process of negotiations in terms of the president sitting down with those congressional leaders and you're going to see that dance play out over the next several weeks, including tomorrow with the president heading out to the backyard of one of those republican members

of congress whose district voted for president biden in 2020, you're going to hear the president ramping up the public pressure on republicans, so this is something that's not just happening behind closed doors, but also in public. >> yeah. no matter how this ends, it is not going to be pretty. that is one thing we know for sure. jeremy diamond at the white house, thank you so much. let's bring in matt eggen to talk about the economic impact here. i will say i think people have been pretty chill about this, just everyday americans. i'm not getting phone calls from people saying, hey, what is this all about? what are they doing? i kind of think a lot of folks are used to this brinkmanship when it comes to government shutdowns and the like, but this is a different beast and this is serious. >> it is serious. i mean, an actual default would be a complete nightmare for the economy. it's something that would really impact virtually all americans, and it would make a government shutdown look like a walk in the park. you could be looking at mass layoffs in a default, perhaps

even into the millions of people. you could see the stock market plunge. if the government doesn't have any money, it can't pay out all these benefits that everyone relies on. 66 million people will rely on monthly social security payments, 65 million people rely on medicare. another 2 million federal workers rely on the government for paychecks and for benefits. 1.4 million active duty military members rely on the government for money. this is just a sampling of the payments that could be impacted by a default. let's hope we don't get anywhere near there. hopefully today marks the beginning of progress where both sides agree to defuse this ticking time bomb before it does actual damage to the economy. >> we've heard of too big to fail, this is too terrible to happen. we'll see how close we get and who blinks first. thank you so much. boris? how are the politics of all of this playing out? let's talk more about the debt ceiling shutdown with cnn chief

political correspondent dana bash. thanks so much for being with us. new polling numbers for president biden from gallup don't look great. a large number of americans have almost no confidence, 48%, that he will do the right thing for the economy. what does that signal? >> look, all of this numbers are hovering around the same place, kind of in the 30s, high 30s, low 40s. look at not on the economy but on the broader question, the overall question of his approval rating, cnn's poll has him at about 40%. it's not good. >> right. >> there's no other way to look at it. it's not good. the white house, as they're trying to find silver linings, they argue several things. number one is, that it's not that much worse than other first term presidents who went on to win a second term, namely obama and even george w. bush. but there's so many unknowns, that that is why these numbers

right now early on are a warning sign. >> also, there is a bit of a disconnect from reality. let me explain with more numbers. we've got treasury secretary janet yellen, fed chair jerome powell, their numbers in terms of confidence from americans, not very high. but, when you look at the hard numbers in the last jobs report, more than a quarter million jobs created. unemployment nearly a 50 year low. what can the white house do to shift public perception on this. >> this has been the economic story since before the midterms and this is why democrats were very worried and republicans were very bullish, too much so it turned out, before the midterms, because the economic indicators, aside from these, were pretty bad. and the answer to your question is, the job market is great. that's not why people are feeling bad. people are feeling bad because the cost of their goods, they're too high and inflation is too

high and that goes back to some of the poor numbers that you see for the treasury secretary and for the fed. because they're in the position of trying to fix inflation by raising interest rates. what happens when you raise interest rates? it means it costs more to borrow money, to buy a house, and so on and so forth. it is the most complicated of economic pictures and that's why people don't have the greatest feeling about those who are trying to fix it. >> yeah. when you see inflation at pretty high mark there about a year into biden's administration, you mentioned president george w. bush, that same gallup poll had the lowest confidence in a president's ability to handle the economy. biden was roughly 35%, his was 34 back in 2008, the great recession. we're not at that point, but yet, americans feel like we are. it's interesting. >> it is. because it is all about how people feel. i will tell you that in talking to people in and around the

biden administration, the biden campaign now, they argue a couple things. number one, they're just getting started on making the case not just from the bully pulpit but from the rose garden and the white house from a paid campaign advertising point of view for all the things that they believe that biden should get re-elected for. the other thing is that much like in 2022, the midterms, it's not just going to be about the economy. there are other issues, namely, abortion. they are still banking on the fact that places like florida, not that democrats feel that they're going to win florida, but it's just an example, a six-week ban on abortion and there are examples of that all over the country that they still feel will galvanize the democratic base in a way that could counteract the economic anxiety that voters feel. >> and that was a huge issue during the midterm elections and we saw it play out all over the map. we'll see how it plays out in

the future. >> good to be here. >> jim, over to you. >> the number of migrants waiting on the other side of the border is going way up, this as the end of title 42 comes this week. the u.s. government believes there are more than 150,000 people in mexico waiting for this change on thursday when the policy that would have expelled them immediately due to the pandemic comes to an end. and that is just in the northern part of mexico. you see in this map it's estimated 60,000 are in the state of chihuahua alone. cnn captured some women moving through a barbed wire fence south of the border, showing the extent to which they'll go to get into this country. the company estimates believe there are hundreds of thousands more in the pipeline as it's known in southern mexico and central america. many of them start in central america and work up. priscilla alvarez is in washington. the biden administration instituted new measures to make it harder for an asylum

application to work. what are the preparations they have in place now and what kind of numbers are they expecting? you got an update. >> reporter: those measures are ones that the administration has been telling migrants to expect when this covid era border lifts. a homeland security official tells me moments ago that they on monday saw nearly 10,000 daily encounters, a number they assumed would come soon. they expected it will be more than 10,000 after title 42 expires on thursday, but it indicates that migrants are crossing and they're crossing in big numbers, regardless of what u.s. policy is. to your point earlier there are hundreds of thousands of people in the pipeline because there is unprecedented mass migration on the western hemisphere. the biden administration has been talking about it for weeks. a source tells me white house officials and administration officials are ramping up their calls this week to stakeholders, lawmakers, and cities, to warp them about what's to come with

this influx. so those preparations are being set in motion. sort term and long term, setting up transportation and capacity, but setting up the regional processing centers in latin america so people can apply to come to the u.s. instead of the southern border. we are still seeing large numbers that are already in northern mexico. >> of those 9900, nearly 10,000 do all of them come into the country? or are many turned away? >> that means that they were encountered by border authorities. some of them could have been expelled under title 42, but remember, there are still limitations to this authority which means that some nationalities are processed into the country, which is why you're seeing what you're seeing in el paso. >> so many numbers for people to digest. thanks so much. priscilla alvarez. nick valencia is in brownsville, texas. nick, how many people are -- how are people there now preparing for this jump later this week? >> reporter: well, they're

bracing for it here and trying to chip in. residents trying to help these overrun, overworked nonprofits that are chipping in to help these migrants that have come to the streets of brownsville and some cases sleeping. just as i say that you see this individual passing out supplies. we saw another individual passing out sandwiches earlier. all of these migrants we're told have been released on humanitarian parole. all we've spoken to are from venezuela. we want to introduce you to one of them here. we were speaking earlier. [ speaking non-english ] she says she's from venezuela but also seen people from cuba, they -- [ speaking non-english ] >> salvadorians, hondurans. many nationalities. [ speaking non-english ]

were you aware of title 42 and that border is going to be reopened like before the pandemic? >> no. [ speaking non-english ] >> she said no, it's been about a month she's been walking here. [ speaking non-english ] >> she's walking. >> four days through the jungle. [ speaking non-english ] she says she didn't have any information. [ speaking non-english ] >> what are you running from? >> she said the dictatorship, the maduro regime, political crisis there. others that we've spoken to here say you see this line forming up here for supplies handed out. others that we've spoken to here say they're trying to gather enough money to get a bus ticket to get to san antonio. the gas station owner has allowed them to use the hose here and others have brought supplies to wash cars here to try to get enough money through donations in order to raise that money to get on to their next destination.

they're overwhelmed here. we're speaking to team brownsville the nonprofit i mentioned and they said yesterday they had 750 people they processed and with the coming deadline, the looming deadline of the end of title 42, that number is expected to swell upwards of over 1,000. jim? >> it's such an important point. so many forces here, including just breakdown of countries to the south of the u.s. border that's driving many of them here. many of them up there in the false information that somehow they'll be able to waltz in. nick valencia. thanks so much. a memorial is growing outside the mall in allen, texas, eight people including a 3-year-old child, were murdered. we're learning more heartbreaking details about the victims. and happening now, a panel of new york jurors is deliberating on whether to hold donald trump liable for defamation and battery in e. jean carroll's civil lawsuit. live outside the courthouse. on the heels of an $800 million settlement fox chief

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just minutes from now we're expecting to hear from officials in allen, texas, they will update their investigation of the outlet mall shooting that killed eight people. it comes as we learn more about the gunman it's disturbing social media activity. i want to show you images investigators say he posted in recent weeks seeming to reveal an obsession with nazis, weapons and mass shootings. what you're looking at is a long gun and hand gun on what appears to be a bed. there are multiple boxes of am mu nice too and below the shooting range target full of holes. here the body armor vest that authorities say he wore during the shooting and you'll notice the patch right in the center that reads rwds that is an abbreviation for right wing death squad, perhaps a hint at the shooter's motivation and allegedly posted these photos. that on the left is the picture of the mall in the weeks before the shooting and then on the right, a screen shot from google

maps showing when the mall was busiest. josh campbell is on the scene for us in allen, texas, and despite all the social media posts, apparent red flags, investigators have not yet outlined their theory of a motive. >> certainly not publicly. we are hearing from law enforcement sources that right wing extremism is the leading theory here because, as you mentioned, on the suspect's chest after he was found deceased there was the patch that was associated with right wing extremism. they also, i'm told, his social media presence very disturbing and we're seeing some of that for ourselves. cnn identified the account on a russian social media platform that a law enforcement source tells me the suspect is believed to have used, replete with vial posts about white supremacy, his obsession over naziism, weapons, over past mass shooters and researching those.

he's also a self-described incel, for those who follow extremism know men who blame women in society for their lack of romantic success. we're learning in that social media profile that chilling details that you mentioned that it appears the suspect came here to this mall in the weeks leading up to that massacre, conducting reconnaissance, looking around, taking photos, looking online to see when this mall would be the busiest. certainly a chilling profile, certainly based on his social media alone and, of course, boris, we are expecting to hear from authorities in a short period of time and we hope to learn more about this ongoing investigation. >> and josh, just looking behind you, i notice that the makeshift memorial at the mall has grown since you've been there. what more are we learning about the victims that were killed in this brutal attack? >> exactly. this makeshift memorial is something we see in all of these types of shootings. you can see members of the community coming out to grieve,

laying cards and flowers and mementos grieving for the loss of those slaughtered in the massacre. we are learning the full identities of those killed, 20-year-old christian lacour, a security guard here at the time of the shooting, also killed 32 elio cumana-rivas and 26-year-old aishwarya thatikonda. we're learning children were among the victims including to a school district, two sisters 11-year-old daniella mendoza and her sister sophia, 8 years old. a family now just gravely impacted by this attack. we're told a man and his wife, 37-year-old kyu song cho and cindy cho and 3-year-old son were killed, leave behind a 6-year-old child who now because a gunman here with an ar-15, this family of four now a family of one. boris? >> so tragic, the latest victims in the epidemic of gun violence

that has overtaken the united states. josh campbell from allen, texas, thank you so much. also in texas, a candlelight vigil is planned today as we're learning new details about the victims of the deadly crash sunday in brownsville. police say that this man, george alvarez, drove his suv into 18 people at a city bus stop outside a shelter and killed eight people doing so. authorities say seven victims are still in the hospital and three released. alvarez is facing eight counts of manslaughter and ten counts of assault with a deadly weapon and it's unclear whether the crash was intentional. jim? >> happening right now, jury deliberations are under way in the case against donald trump, former columnist e. jean carroll suing the ex-president alleging he raped her in a manhattan department store dressing room in the 1990s and then defamed her years later when she came

forward. trump denies the allegations. cara is live outside the courthouse in new york city. what does the team need to prove to win her case and i wonder, you've been watching the trial since the beginning, do you expect a long deliberation here? >>. >> reporter: i wish i knew the answer to that question. the judge described to the jury what they need to find by the laws in order for them to vote. remember, she sued donald trump under two claims. one of battery and one of defamation. the battery one based on her allegation that he raped her in the department store. that one because this is a civil case and not criminal the standard of proof is the preponderance of evidence. the judge put it to the jury, if it's just a little more than 50% more likely than not that it happened and just by the tiniest amount, they will -- they should find in favor of carroll. there are three kinds of sex crimes the jury can evaluate and

they need to choose one if they're going to find for carroll, rape, sexual abuse or forcible touching. on the defamation claim where he said he didn't know carroll, didn't rape her and she wasn't his type, that is a different standard of proof for the elements of defamation there and a clear and convincing evidence and the judge told the jury think of it as not only probable but highly probable. in that case, in that claim, the jury would need to find three things to be true, it was a defamatory statement, it was a false statement and that trump made it with actual malice for drar for carroll. different standards for the jury to answer. if they find in carroll's favor on one or both of them, they have the question of damages, compensatory and punitive if they believe that carroll was injured either by the battery or by the defplation. -- defamation. we're about two and a half hours

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in less than two hours, president biden meets with speaker mccarthy and other top congressional leaders for talks at the white house on how to avoid if they can a u.s. default and a global economic disaster. with just three weeks before the country hits its debt limit as early as june 1st, what happens behind closed doors today could set the country on the path towards a deal to pay its bills or a path towards real financial costs. with two days left before a pandemic era immigration policy expires, federal authorities are conducting an enforcement operation targeting migrants in el paso, texas, a department of homeland security statement says migrants with no legal right to be in the united states will be removed. the crackdown aimed at discouraging a migrant surge when title 42 policy expires on thursday. sources with the u.s. government estimates in mexico alone more than 150,000 people may be

standing by to make their move into the united states if they can on thursday. we'll be watching closely. brianna. >> a leading task force of medical experts is advising all women start getting mammograms at age 40 to reduce their risk from dying of breast cancer. the group's earlier guidance called for mammograms at 50. recommendations from the u.s. preventative services task force helped guide doctors' decisions. health reporter jaclyn howard with us on this. you spoke with one of the task force members, why are they moving up this recommendation? >> well, brianna, the task force told me they have seen each year a rise in breast cancer diagnoses here in the united states, especially among women in their 40s, and they also emphasize that black women are more likely to die from the disease as well, so they say that making this update, it's a draft recommendation update, they say that this will help us

to detect cancer's earlier which will lead to a better chance of survival for women who do have the disease. previously, the task force said that women in their 40s had the option, the individual choice, to screen at that age. now they're coming down stronger saying all women should start to get mammograms at age 40. we also know in general it's estimated for women born here in the u.s., 12.9% of them will develop breast cancer at some time the their life. that's the demographic that we're talking about here where there's some concern. this is a draft recommendation, available for public comment from now through june 5th. that's where we stand as we think about breast cancer screening and when women should start. >> we're not all the same. some people are higher risk than others and should be talking to their doctors about what that means for them. jaclyn howard, thank you so much. still to come, a sign of the

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more than 7 million people across southeast texas are under flood watches. and also after more than eight days on the lamb the second of two escaped inmates is back in prison. u.s. marshals captured bruce callahan after he approached a student at a college dormitory for medical assistance. student alerted police by pulling the fire alarm. callahan was arrested without incident. vladimir putin marked the country's world war ii defeat over germany with the victory day celebration, but the military parade was noticeably sparse compared to years past. russia seems to have significantly scaled back its show of military might. as you can see, there was only one tank leading this year's parade and that usual flyover you see was canceled without any explanation. in his speech putin said, quote, true war is being waged against russia, and he said he wants a peaceful future.

boris? while russia celebrates its victory day the fighting is intensifying in the ukrainian city of bakhmut. russian backed mercenaries threatened to retreat from the fight as they feud with the kremlin's military leaders. as president zelenskyy reminded russia's leaders today, they have failed to take this city, despite investing so much blood and treasure. the u.s., meantime is stepping up with more military assistance to ukraine. a new aid package worth more than a billion dollars. let's take you to the pentagon and cnn's natasha bertrand there live. we learned that ukraine downed a russian missile using the u.s. patriot system. what more can you tell us about that? >> yeah, boris. the pentagon did confirm for the first time that ukraine did, in fact, down a russian hypersonic ballistic missile called the kinz hal missile on may 4th using a patriot system, that sophisticated air defense system that both the u.s. and germany

have provided to the ukrainians in recent months. this is significant for a number of reasons. first, among them being that ukrainians were able to successfully deploy this very sophisticated system to down a very difficult to intercept russian missile. this is a hypersonic missile that travels at ten times the speed of sound. the russians had boasted in the past that it was a missile that was very difficult to shoot down and intercept, so the fact that the ukrainians were able to do this speaks according to the pentagon, very highly of their ability to use this system effectively. now all of this comes as the pentagon is announcing a new $1 billion aid package, or just over a billion dollars, for additional ukrainian air defense, ammunition, other things that they will need over the course of the longer term, so the medium and longer term, because this is not coming, this assistance, from stocks that u.s. currently has. it is going to be contracted out so that this assistance can be

built and ultimately given to ukraine to support its fight against russia in the longer term. so we will be seeing, you know, moving forward, a lot of the arguments made by the u.s. kind of consistent with their claim that they are going to support ukraine for as long as it takes here and this ukraine security initiative package they announced today is further evidence of that. boris? >> that is the long-term picture. in the short term we're anticipating the ukrainian counter offensive set to begin any day now. natasha bertrand from the pentagon, thank you so much. as the u.s. continues to send military aid to ukraine it's been keeping an eye on potential movement of russian nuclear forces. i'm told today by multiple officials, despite recent nuclear saber rattling by russian leaders the u.s. has not detected any signs of movement or change to russia's nuclear posture. russian leaders have repeatedly raised the prospect of nuclear

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don't expect anymore shifts to fox news' strategy following the $787 million dominion settlement is the word from lachlan murdoch as they posted a loss. we have oliver darcy here with the fox news. they cut ties with tucker carlson, but not with what made them vulnerable. >> yes, the network is going to turn away from the right wing programming that makes up most of the channel, but lachlan murdoch is telling the investors that is not the case, because there is no broader viewership news following tucker carlson's ouster, and tweaking lineup, and

of course, carlson's ouster is a big tweak, but no broader programming changes coming according to the fox zolaklan murdoch. >> and what else is coming to dinging fox news' lineup that are considered more journalists that are moderate or journalists actually. >> more focus on tucker carlson and sean hannity and what the leaked messages have exposed about them, but not as much on brett baier who is the chief anchor over there, but leaked messages have painted a unflattering portrait of him and something different from the straight forward newsman that he has really built as far as his reputation. these are some of the text messages that have leaked according to the "daily beast" in the last few days.

in one exchange with tucker carlson, tucker carlson says that we need to do something to reassure the core audience, and brett baier has said that he has pressed them too slow, and they will -- >> oliver, so sorry to interrupt you, because we have news coming in, and we need to get to jim. jim? >> we have breaking news. a federal -- ♪ a federal jury in manhattan has reached a verdict in the civil battery and defamation trial of donald trump brought by the writer e. jean carroll, and the jury deliberated for 2 1/2 hour and the verdict is expected to be read in the next hour. you remember that this case is about civil battery of e. jean carroll saying that she was sexually assaulted in the dressing room of a manhattan store in the 1990s and then

defamed by donald trump when he denied the allegations. we have paula reid outside of the courtroom. paula, this is coming quickly. what do we know? >> it came so quickly that i had to run about five blocks just to get here. look, the jury got the case at noon and i was in the court when the judge went through a detailed description of the task that they have at hand. as you noted, this is not a criminal case. it is a civil case. so there is no jail time on the line. this is all about whether the jury thinks that trump is liable for battery and defamation. e. jean carroll alleges that she was raped by trump in a bergdorf goodman in the spring of 1996, and she claimed that he defamed her by saying that this allegation was a hoax and a lie. but, yeah, the verdict came back quickly and deliberating over two hours and looking at the

questions that they have to answer, this is a lot faster than we expected. a part of the job is to consider all of the evidence they have heard including e. jean carroll's case with the 11 witnesses including herself. former president trum dip did n put on a witness, and they did hear part of his deposition, and infamous "access hollywood" tape so it is going to be interesting to hear the decision they came to that we should find out. >> it is a civil trial, and the question they are considering here is whether he is liable or not liable, and not guilty or not guilty. so you referenced something that kara scannell had referenced when she checked in on the case is that they have multiple questions to answer on each side of this as you were, both the sexual assault allegation, and the defamation allegation here. can you detail some more of those questions, and i should

note to people watching right now, the verdict is going to be read in about six minutes' time at 3:00 p.m. eastern time which is going to bring to you live. tell us, paula, what you know about the questions they are facing. >> that is right -- sure. so there is two separate parts of this case. one is battery. the other is defamation. when it comes to finding out whether he is liable for battery, they have several different potential charges that they could find him guilty of. obviously, rape is in the headlines, and this is her allegation, but the definition, the legal definition of rape is sexual intercourse with another person by forceable compulsion which can be penetration without consent. now, if they find that they do not believe by a preponderance of evidence which is not a terribly high standard which means more likely than not that trump is guilty of rape, they have two other potential forms of sexual assault that they could find that he is liable

for, and the first is sexual abuse which is sexual contact -- >> paula, liable is and not guilty, correct? >> yes, they could find him liable of sexual abuse which is sexual contact without consent. so quoting the law here, touching someone's intimate parts for sexual gratification. if they don't find they reach that standard, one other option is forceable touching, and they could find him liable for forceable touching which is touching someone for the purpose of degrading them or abusing them, and that is pinching, squeezing, rubbing, and so they have a number of things to go over in this jury room, and they have gone through it quickly, and then after they made a decision of whether or not he was liable for any of the potential batteries, then they need to go on to question of defamation. now, that is also a series of questions to determine whether or not he defamed her. if they find that he is not

guilty of the sexual assaults, they would not have to find anything on defamation, but they could find potentially, they could say, yes, he was guilty of one of these, or excuse me, liable for one of the counts of sexual assault and not defamation, so it is a complicated case, jim, and they have a lot of questions to go, and they received 90 minutes' instructions and deliberated for two hours, so we will find out what they decided shortly. >> and if you are just joining us, momentarily at 3:00 p.m. eastern time, we will hear the verdict read. a manhattan jury has reached a verdict in the defamation and battery case against donald trump, and the broader context, it is a short time ago that a manhattan d.a. decided to indict trump on another case involving hush money payments to an adult film star stormy daniels and other criminal investigations under way both in the state of georgia and the d.a. there also

of course the doj, the d.a. there and the doj is considering its own case in investigation of the former president in his involvement of january 6th, and the pictures there you are seeing e. jean carroll as she arrived at the courthouse. again, we have a great deal to consider. dave aaronberg is joining us here. and the first question, and again, two minutes before the verdict is read. are you surprised how quickly the jury came to a decision here in this case? >> you know, nothing ever surprises me about jurors, but the only thing predictable about juries is that they are notoriously unpredictable. the quick verdict is that trump is going to be found liable here, because i can't imagine that after all of the evidence, and trump doesn't even show up, that are going to say, no, he didn't do it, and they will get him on the highest charge, and

rape and it is not guilty, but liable. and it is not good when you are running for president. >> so beyond reputational and for the former president, and by the way, this is presuming an outcome here that we don't know yet, and we will learn in a couple of minutes' time, and if that is what the jury has decided here. >> well, it is about money. this would be a civil verdict that leads to the payment of money. now in her closing argument, the lawyer for e. jean carroll did not ask about money, and principle, and in the end, the jury is going to have to decide how much money trump has to pay e. jean carroll and not just for the sexual abuse but defamation. so if they find him liable for that, then they have to award money. and so remember, he said, she is

not my type, and so we will have to find how much. >> that is one of the points that they have to decide here. so as we have said multiple times that the verdict going to be read multiple times, and a jury in new york is going to be read here in the civil battery and defamation trial of the former president here. we are told that a short time ago, e. jean carroll has entered courtroom where she and others present and there she is arriving at the courthouse in manhattan where she and others present will hear the verdict read. that is to begin in a few seconds is here at top of the hour. of course, we will bring it to you live. let me toss to my colleagues brianna and boris here as we wait for -- well, quite a momentous decision here from the manhatry