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democrats cheering dianne feinstein's return to washington. the 89-year-old has been away from washington for nearly three months recovering from shingles. during that time calls from within her own party have been growing for her to resign which is because feinstein has missed nearly 60 votes and left 12 of biden's judicial nominees hanging in the balance waiting to be confirmed for her vote. thanks so much for joining us. at qc 360" begins now. good evening, tonight in the eyes of a federal jury donald
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john trump is a sexual abuser. six men and three women found him liable for sexually abusing e. jean carroll at a manhattan department store in the 1990s then defaming her about it on his social media site. the jury took under three hours to reach their verdict and award carroll approximately $5 million in damages. in a moment we'll be joined by jessica leeds who testified during the trial that a young donald trump groped her on a flight in the '70s, his lawyers neither put on a defense or called him a as witness leading the plaintiffs to play damaging portions of his testimony and heard the access hollywood tape where he said you could grab women by the genitals and doubled down on that in the deposition. >> historically it's true with stars. >> that they can grab women by the -- >> if you look over the last million years that's been largely true, not always but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately.
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>> and you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> jurors also heard the former president who claimed ms. carroll wasn't his type as if that would excuse sexual assault mistake this photo of her back in the 1990s for his ex-wife marla maples. >> is this the photo you were just referring to. >> i think so, yes. i don't even know who the woman -- let's see. i don't know who -- it's marla. >> you're saying marla is in the photo. >> that's marla, yeah. it's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to? >> here. oh, is that -- >> the person you just pointed to was e. jean carroll. >> miscarroll did not speak to reporters but released a statement which reads in part this victory is not just for me but every woman suffered because she was not believed. as for the former president he posted this on his site quoting, i have absolutely no idea who
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this woman is. this verdict is a disgrace. a continuation of the greatest witch-hunt of all time. trump attorney joe tacopina underscored that jurors stopped short of concluding his woman raped miss carroll and promised to appeal. >> you know, there were things that happened in this case that were beyond the pale. the judge overturned once by the secretary circuit in carroll versus trump and think it will be overturned a second time. >> joining me to discuss is jessica leeds, thanks for joining us. what is your reaction upon hearing the news of the verdict? >> well, i am very pleased for jean. i'm very pleased for the whole situation. i'm very pleased. >> you were actually brought up in former president trump's deposition that was played in front of the jury which included some of his earlier comments he made about you on the campaign trail. for our viewers i want to play
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that for a moment. >> made up a story just like your client made it up. people that are willing to -- i was with donald trump in 1980. i was sitting with them on an airplane. and he went after me on the plane. yeah, i'm going to go after her. believe me, she would not be my first choice that i can tell you. man. you don't know. that would not be my first choice. >> when you said in that video that ms. leeds would not be your first choice, you were referring to her physical looks, correct? >> just the overall, not -- i look at her, i see her. i hear what she says. whatever. she, i would not have any interest in. >> i'm wondering what was going through your mind when you heard what he said in the deposition? >> well, i knew he was going to
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say something like that when i first made my -- made my story to "the times" and that's why i gave them a picture of what i looked like at the time that i met him. although the picture i gave them i had shorter hair, but i knew he would not be able to see past the fact that i at that time when this whole thing got started, i was like a 76-year-old woman. well now i'm an 80-year-old woman and he can't imagine what i looked like because all he sees is an 80-year-old woman and he wouldn't make a pass at an 80-year-old woman if his life depended upon it because his entire image is of himself is that younger women are accessible to him. >> we heard mr. trump denied your allegations against him.
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i'm wondering what your experience was being cross-examined by his attorney. what it was like to be on the witness stand. what did you think of the jury? were they listening? >> they were very attentive and -- of course, it's one thing to tell your story to friend, to family, to even just acquaintances. it was one thing to tell the story to "the times" and have it published. but it's disconcerting and very, very difficult to be in a jury, be in a witness stand and to be making -- telling the story to a group of people and to be questioned and basically badgered by the lawyer that trump had, and the judge was
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very protective of me. he would not let this man carry on, go on for too long as he let him do with e. jean. she really endured two days of harassment. >> did you hear e. jean's testimony? >> did i hear -- no, i did not sit in on her testimony. >> the judge -- >> you're not allowed in -- >> right. the judge today advised jurors in this case not to reveal themselves publicly and i'm wondering has there ever been a moment where you regretted coming forward? >> no, i never regretted it. i've been absolutely amazed and sustained by the support that i have received from friends, family and strangers. it's really been quite awe
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inspiring. >> why did you decide to go ahead and testify in this trial? >> well, e. jean asked me about a year before this -- before it got started when she -- and her lawyers felt that my story was important to the whole case. they stressed that to me several times. >> important because it in their mind showed a pattern? >> correct. and also they zoned in on the interview that i did with you at one point where i talked about this was his m.o., and they were -- they could show with me and with natasha from "people" magazine that this is the way he treated women over the whole spectrum. at one point i begged and pleaded the "times" people to take this -- to take some time and to try to investigate the
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girls that trump dated in high school and in college, because i am sure they have quite a few stories to tell. >> when you -- i don't know if you watched much of the deposition that he gave that we played a small part of it but in it he really doubled down on what he said on that "access hollywood" tape which is counter to what he said immediately after the "access hollywood" tape where he talked about locker room talk and said it was not representative of who he really was. the idea that he said, you know, that stars have always been able to do this for millions of years, i'm not sure how many neanderthal stars there were back then then he said unfortunately -- in fact, let's play this. he said unfortunately other fortunately. i want to play it again for our viewers. >> historically that's true with stars.
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>> true with stars that they can grab women by the pussy? >> well, if you look over the last million year, i guess that's been largely true, not always, but largely true. unfortunately or fortunately. >> you consider yourself to be a star? >> i think you can say that, yeah. >> i mean, beyond him being one of the worst people ever to give a deposition, were you surprised by that, by the fortunately or unfortunately or fortunately? >> no, he actualably believes it. he says exactly what he believes and sometimes coaches it with, i hope you're not upset with me or whatever, but the fact remains that he believes that from the bottom of his toes that he has the right because he is something special. and, of course, he's not.
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even president of the united states. >> jessica leeds, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, it's good to see you. >> good to see you. want to go next to george conway who first urged e. jean carroll to sue the president. when did you meet her and what did you advise her? >> it was a bit serendipitous. what happened was the week before her story had come out in "new york" magazine and the book excerpt, and over that weekend, that had prompted me to write an op-ed for "the washington post," where i pointed out that jean carroll's case was much stronger in terms of its corroboration than the case of juanita broaddrick and her allegations of being raped by bill clinton and the point i made which flowed from the fact that the trump campaign brought out juanita broaddrick in 2016 to attack hillary clinton was if
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you believe the allegations of juanita broaddrick and thought she was courageous coming forward you better feel the same way about jean carroll because she had two contemporaneous witnesses in whom she confided the sexual assault then, of course, you have the incredible pattern evidence of dozens of women coming forward alleging that donald trump had done exactly the same thing and if you hold that by the standards we've been focused on in the last years of all the me too reporting in "the new yorker" and "the new york times" and other outlets, the strongest things you can have that correlate, that confirm an event like this because usually it's one person and another alone in a room is whether or not the victim told anybody at the time and also we know that the men who engage in this grotesque conduct do it repeatedly and
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over and over again without shame. and we saw that and we saw that again in the tape that you just showed. it was almost sociopathic that said fortunately or unfortunately, women get raped. crazy stuffs and shows you his attitude around the women around him and shows you his basic inability -- he was unable to defend himself because he would have been destroyed on cross-examination in a trial and essentially there was no evidence. >> back in 2016, after the "access hollywood" tape emerged, donald trump said and i'm quoting, he said anyone who knows me know these words don't reflect who i am. i said it. i was wrong and apologize. and then obviously listening to that deposition, that's what he really thinks in the deposition, those were words that somebody else crafted for him. >> absolutely. i mean, he has never truly -- he's not capable of actual remorse. he's not -- he doesn't have a
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conscience, he's not capable of empathy and those words that he apologized that he felt bad, i mean, those did not last very long. in fact, by the time of the transition in late 2016 and early 2017, he actually told and this was in "the new york times," he told a united states senator he said he thought the "access hollywood" tape was made up and fabricated, okay, so that's the depth of his remorse for his egregious sexual misconduct. >> do you think the verdict plays a role in how he does in the campaign for the nomination? do you think it affects that? >> like everything else involving donald trump it cuts both ways. i think to the people who support him, they will simply dismiss it as a conspiracy led by the litigation or me or you or cnn or jean carroll or jean
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carroll's lawyers. another attempt to get donald trump and they never really ask themself, wait a minute, how is it possible for any one person to get into this many scrapes and have that many people say the same thing about him, about his dishonesty and his lying and sexual predation and never ask themselves, is there something to this because they can't do that. they can't bring themselves to do that. if they do that then they have to admit they've been essentially endorsing and enabling a monster. >> george, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. a bit later two republican women including a longtime trump supporter make of the verdict and our panel joins us with reaction including alyssa farah griffin and in the aftermath she said she brought countless cases to mark meadows where she thought the former president's in
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what happened in federal court has never happened. donald trump is the first former president found to be a sexual abuser, the first to be facing felony charges but running first in the polls for the republican presidential nomination. a short time ago one of his supporters senator lindsey graham weighed in.
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>> i think the new york legal system is off the rails when it comes to donald trump. >> republican senator marco rubio echoed that saying, that jury is a joke and the whole case is a joke. both senators are also attorneys. joining us now van jones and alyssa farah griffin and former federal judge nancy gertner, jessica roth and cnn's jeff zeleny. judge, what was your reaction? >> i wasn't surprised once it was clear that the testimony of the other three women, of the other two women rather and the "access hollywood" tape was going to come in, then there was a clear pattern and the judge allowed it in precisely if there's a pattern and the pattern was walking up to women and touching them. so her story was consistent with that so i wasn't really surprised. >> jessica, anything surprising to you? the former president's attorney focused on the fact that the jury did not find him liable for rape but for sexual abuse.
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>> yeah, picking up on what judge gertner said, the through line, the consistency of what he did to the two other women that came forward with the account of e. jean carroll and what he said on the "access hollywood" tape about how he would attack women and grab their private parts. to the extent it was important to the jury in reaching that quick verdict it's not surprising they went for the category that most closely fit to what he described doing in the tape. >> what he doubled down on the deposition. that to me is stunning. >> which is an assault, sexual assault and not necessarily rape. >> it's clear the jury believed jean carroll in her account. the fact they didn't check the box for rape doesn't take away from what happened to her but how it harmed her. the damages that were awarded here, $5 million, the vast majority all but $300,000 were in compensatory damages, not punitive which was striking.
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>> alyssa, first of all, do you think it makes a difference politically? >> i think it does. it certainly does it he makes it to a general election. i don't know how you win female voters when it's one thing when there's allegations lingering over your head but this is a jury of his peers finding this did in fact take place. the magazine i was be waving is this plan cannot survive a general election with this now as one of the badges that he's wearing. i don't know in the primary. latest polls have him seven points ahead of joe biden head-to-head. you see some of these response, i'm very disappointed to see someone like a marco rubio try to dismiss this. this allows victims to take up a case after the fact who aren't able to after the statute of limitations surpassed and something that will be a landmark case and is important. >> you said earlier on cnn when you worked at the trump white house you noticed and flagged some behavior toward women you found dangerous. can you -- >> i want to be careful in how much i say. it's not my story to tell.
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my role was there were -- there were junior staffers that we were concerned about how much time they were spending one-on-one with the former president, female staffers. it was a pattern that several different people noticed. stephanie grisham and i never worked together in the white house. she raised it when she was press secretary. i did when i came in as comms director to the chief of staff and said this is problematic for these women to be alone with the president to have an audience where he summons them, we are not as more senior staffers bringing them in. i don't know if it was addressed. i know what i feel about what was happening and thought it was my duty to report it. i can't go further in making assumptions but widely believed it was problematic. >> in reporting was there any -- >> i was told by the chief of staff he was aware of it and he would handle it. i don't believe anything ever happened. >> van, does this matter for people who back the former president. >> i don't know but it certainly should and i think certainly for graham and rubio to be undermining a jury, i mean,
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that's really despicable because anybody that has ever served on a jury you work hard, you do the best you can, the facts here, the pattern, the confession, i mean, donald trump said he does this stuff and so to have u.s. senators dismissing it, trying to undermine it i think is passing a certain graveyard here and should be ashamed of themselves. >> jeff, in terms of getting the actual nomination in the republican party, do you think this plays a role? >> i think it's unclear, there is a sense of exhaustion among republican voters out there, i kind of put republicans in a couple different categories, there are the always trumpers and they will not be bothered by this but a sense of a sen tier lane and it's pretty significant there is an exhaustion factor searching for someone else and that other someone else has not yet arrived on scene. i mean, there's no doubt that donald trump is in a stronger position than he was at the beginning of the year than he thought he would be but i was just in michigan talking to a
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voter who voted for donald trump in 2020. she's looking for someone else and doesn't want any more drama. she's turned off by the biden administration because the economy, she thinks he's too liberal on judges but does not want trump drama for those in the middle it has a big effect. in the primary it's unclear. in the general without question, this is a problem for republicans but, again, no one has been able to fill that exhaustion void that clearly exists. >> from a legal standpoint does he have to pay this? i mean can he -- i mean, he lives in florida, can he get away with not paying it. >> it's a verdict that can be enforced in florida. florida is part of the united states, at least up until now. no, he has to pay it. there's no question about it. they'll have to chase him. no question about that and he's not known for paying his bills, but, of course, he'll have to pay. >> what -- >> there will be a judgment and you can execute the judgment in florida. you can execute it in anywhere in the united states. but there will be appeals.
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no question. i mean the only victory that his lawyer has won in this case is delaying it. case was originally brought in 19 -- 2020 rather and managed to delay it up until now so there will be a delay, but the verdict will stand. it seems in my judgment the verdict will stand and that can be executed anywhere. >> kevin mccarthy today deflected this question, alyssa, about whether he'd still support the former president. it seems like they'll try to ride it out until the next news cycle moves it along. >> i think that's very likely. elected republicans are hoping they can get away with not answering this. the problem, is one in three women will face sexual assault in their lifetime. you will lose female voters if you decide that you are hitching your wagon to somebody who has now been found guilty of it. it's not something -- the moral morality aside, just the tactical trying to win a political election this man is a loser. there is no lack of talent on the gop we could put forward
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that could be someone we're proud of and not constantly dodging people in the capitol not wanting to answer questions about his wrongdoing. i would hope it would be a moment where someone steps up. i saw chairwoman of the rnc says she's not going to speak out against it and other senators deflecting. >> van, do you think there's anything the former president could say publicly including at tomorrow's town hall that would, i don't know, defuse this situation? >> unfortunately, every time he has a chance to defuse he makes it worse and doubles down and triples down. i remember go overseas during the trump -- how is he getting away with this? now it's -- he's no longer getting away wit. his whole thing was i'm a winner, i can do what i want. nobody can touch me. kind of untouchable aura. he's getting touched a lot now and there are more cases to come and so i don't know what he can say. it would be very interesting if tomorrow he chose to take a different tact. >> jeff, i mean, his rivals, though, at least the ones out there, they're not going after
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him. >> some are. i mean we heard asa hutchinson going after him. chris christie has. others have not been. they want his voters and believe they need his voters so have not been able to have the confidence to make that leap. that is why he is in the, you know, the driver's seat here for the nomination because no one is taking him on in a full frontal way. >> not clear anybody knows how to, is it? >> no, i mean obviously didn't work in 2016 but chris christie, the former governor of new jersey, is talking about it in the most fulsome way going after him directly. he's not very popular among republican, that's the problem. we have to see how it plays out. skeptical of the polls of the head-to-head among republicans. we've all seen past elections. the horse race is not that relevant. let's see what he says tomorrow evening but there is an exhaustion like i said so we'll see if anyone fills that void. >> thanks, everybody. ahead more on the political fallout of today's jury decision
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against the former president, two republican women including a former congresswoman discuss the impact it may have on the race in the house. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪
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today's jury verdict finaling him liable comes in the middle of a heated race for the president. while he is the current front-runner for the nomination in the republican party he lost the female vote in the 2020 general election about 15 points according to exit polls. joined now by two republican women to discuss the fallout in today's decision. barbara comstock from virginia who's been deeply critical of the former president and
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republican strategist alice stewart supportive of his policies in the past. you supported him in the past. does this change anything for you personally or politically and impact his primary campaign? >> personally it certainly does because this is jet another example of where has shown complete disrespect for women. for many it is an example and demonstrates the fact this "access hollywood" tape that has been disturbing to many was not just bus want ter, what he calls locker room talk was foreshadowing of dressing room action and this is quite disturbing for women that have distanced themselves from donald trump for quite some time. i was frustrated with trump back when he first started the election integrity nonsense and widespread voter fraud leading up to the january 6th as well as stepping in to try and avoid the peaceful transfer of power and the broader gop electorate is quite frustrated with him. they do have trump fatigue and
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looking for someone that has his policies but does note have the personal grievances and political backlash and baggage he has. the problem, anderson, his base will believe everything donald trump says. they will say this was a witch-hunt. they will say this verdict was disgraceful and they will stand by him. they will be emboldened. i've spoken with other candidates that are vying for 2024 and they feel this will energize his base and in a fractured field with many gop candidates, that's not going to be helpful for the gop nominee. >> so, do you -- marco rubio, you know, and graham both attacked the new york jury and said they're ridiculous. do you believe the jury? do you believe donald trump is a sexual abuser? >> i believe the verdict the fact that no one is above the law. there is no statute of limitations on the truth and i believe what the accuser said did happen. and the facts of the matter is, there are other women that have
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made similar claims, donald trump, of course, as he always does, he goes after the message instead of going after -- >> does this disqualify him to be president of the united states? >> this is everyone's personal decision to make. for me this is a deal breaker for myself. there are plenty of other candidates that, again, will support the policies that i support, that are people that are not going to have the baggage that donald trump has, the difficulty is right now, donald trump looking at real clear politics average, he is almost 30 points ahead of the next gop challenger, which is ron desantis, and republicans need to rally behind someone else that cannot just win the primary, but can win in the general election. >> congresswoman comstock, do you believe this will be a tipping point at all? >> i said, you know, donald trump was vile, disgusting and the tape was disqualified and now he doubled down on it.
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consider that eight years later, there's a lot of people who never saw that tape who are now seeing it for the first time like a young person who is 16 at the time who is now going to be 24 next year. they're going to see this all over and you're going to see a lot of people who are going to see this and they're also going to see republican men and women defending it and be repulsed by our entire party, saying that this kind of thing is okay. saying the insurrection is okay. saying that donald trump's authoritarian january 6s things are okay. we repulsed an entire generation with this guy they'll look at and see this bloated orange guy sitting there saying, you know, hey, you know, it's okay for a million years, this is what guys have done to women and they'll think, what is wrong with this party, so, no, this is disqualifying and if republicans don't wake up and say, you know, let's find somebody else, they
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are going to lose the general election and rightfully so. so i'm proud of asa hutchinson stood up against this and i hope he can go to iowa and catch fire and find some people who realize he is a good and decent person who's been willing to stand up against donald trump. others are doing this also and i appreciate mitt romney standing up but people who are mocking a jury, go home and talk to your wives and your daughters, i mean, i know lindsey graham doesn't have a wife or daughter to talk to about it but if you're talking to any women or, you know, women in your district, they do not find this acceptable. >> yeah, i mean it's amazing to see rubio, you think he was quick to go after donald trump's small hands and yet on this, he chose to attack the jury system as an attorney himself. >> yeah, well, listen, you know,
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i live in a swing district, in a swing state. and that's where the elections are decided. and, first of all, donald trump being president is just morally abhorrent and this should be opposed on moral ground, but it's also politically stupid. you are not going to win pennsylvania suburbs, you know, michigan suburbs, you know, nevada, arizona or georgia, by supporting trump. you know, if you haven't learned it, we have not won since '16 and a lot of trump voters have died off, but trump has been losing since '16. wake up. i don't know why they think this will work. it hasn't worked since '16. >> barbara, i appreciate it. al list, thank you. george santos facing federal criminal charges. no lie. that's why you choose vmware. with flexible e multi-cloud services
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now a cnn exclusive. federal prosecutors filed criminal charges against admitted resume fabricator, serial liar and jewish impernator, george santos. he is expected as electoral a as tomorrow in court. we have more. what do we know about specific charges santos could be faces? >> reporter: we don't have word on what the charges might be.
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right now we know they are under seal but george santos, this republican from new york represents long island and queens, he does face criminal charges that are being brought by federal prosecutors and there are a lot of potential things that he could have what they say is exposure on, but we do know a little about this investigation, we know the federal prosecutor is out of the eastern district of new york so long island that they were investigating him and also people from the justice department's public integrity section and so, anderson, that indicates that it's very likely that he could be facing some liability here related to campaign finance specifically what he was telling the federal government in campaign finance disclosures and there have been lots of questions about the brokering of a major yacht sale between donors, some money that he had loaned to his campaign $700,000 or so that no one really knew where he got that sort of wealth and so there are a lot of questions around that but we haven't seen the charges yet, and we probably will not
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until he would appear in court potentially tomorrow. >> has the congressman or his legal team made any statement. >> they have not. his attorney declined to comment when they were reached by our reporting team, mark morales and evan perez and his spokesperson in congress, that's her there, and she was approached by reporters asked repeatedly do you have any comment even for people that the congressman represents? she wouldn't even look at the cameras let alone provide some sort of response. >> and obviously i guess santos keeps serving in congress at not. >> he is allowed to continue serving in congress. there are house rules around what you can actually do as a member, but he's not disqualified. the constitution allows him to keep serving and there have been many people who have served in congress continue to serve as they faced charges even federal charges, campaign finance related charges but george santos is a very different person than many of them. he's only been in congress for, what, four or five months now.
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he's already announced he's running for re-election and also has that very long list of apparent lies about his past that have so far even had members of his own party call for his resignation and he has been indignance so far. we'll see what happens when he does appear in court to face these charges. >> katelyn, thank you. elie honig is here. do you think this will be something campaign finance related? >> so, anderson, i see two possibilities based on what's been reported. it could be related to campaign finance. we know, for example, that george santos reported all manner of expenditures of exactly $199.99. that's significant because if you spend 200 or over you have to give a details accounting and so if those were not, in fact, a bunch of $199.99 expenditures there could be fraud there. there are legitimate questions about where did george santos
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get his money. he's been asked that many times and never given a straight answer so could be there's some charge relating to a fraud or ponzi scheme as well. >> it's not illegal to lie to voters. what if the lies are designed to get people to donate to your campaign. is that legal? >> no, so you're right, anderson, it is not a crime to lie to voters about your background, about your past, about what you will or won't do. i suppose at an extreme there could be a fraud case if you tell a very specific disprovable lie in order to raise money but i think the allegations here knowing the way the prosecutors usually approach and charge these cases are going to be focused on either his statements to the federal election commission which could be chargeable under perjury or the way that he made his money if by fraudulent means. >> so what happens next? >> so tomorrow george santos will appear in federal court in brooklyn, the eastern district of new york. the indictment will be unsealed so then we will know exactly what he's charged with.
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the judge will advise george santos of the charges against him. he will enter his plea, already certainly not guilty. the judge will set bail conditions. he will not be locked up pending trial and then we'll be into the case, prosecutors will have to turn over sorry, all their evidence to george santos and ultimately either george santos is going to plead guilty or he's going to go to trial and see what a jury says. >> how does this affect the hout ethics investigation, criminal charges are more serious. any of this preclude him from serving in congress? >> so technically there's nothing about in that would preclude the house ethnics committee to stop proceedings. usually congress respects that and to your second question, no, there's nothing stopping george santos from serving in congress while this plays out. the only way congress can get rid of george santos is by voting to expel him under the constitution, the house can throw out its own members by a two-thirds vote so that, of course, will require substantial
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republican support in addition to democratic support to get to that two-thirds number, but, anderson, it's worth noting that has only happened five types in our history, three of them were confederates back in the 1800s and only happened twice since then. >> elie honig, thank you. why president biden said the crisis at the border may become chaotic. the number of migrants that may be waiting there days before the pandemic-era restriction is set to expire next. weeds...
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a source tells cnn that the federal government now estimates 155,000 migrants are located in shelters and street in mexican states along the u.s. border. several thousand were estimated earlier this week. this is just two days before a covid-era public health or the title 42 you to to quickly expel migrants is set to expire. earlier today, president biden was asked if he penetration was prepared for a rush of migrants to cross the border during his response, he started his talk today with republicans on the debt, too. >> going to be chaotic for a
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while. as an example, as i raised in the meeting, when they said we are going to cut, and not spend any more money, what happens, if you cut, are you going to cut people at the border? are you going to cut agents to the border? we need more at the border, not less. select cnn's rosa florence joins us in el paso, texas. you were there when federal immigration agents woke up this morning to giving out flyers. what did the flyers a? >> those flyers were urging migrants to turn themselves in it to immigration authorities. we have video of this. as you can see, it was dark. anderson, i can tell you there is a lot of confusion, because these migrants were sleeping while this was happening. they were just giving them flyers. then, once the migrants realize what this was, then the fear just sunk in. a lot of these individuals i talked to, grown men, were almost in tears saying it really
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the reason they are here in this country is to seek asylum because, in their home countries, in venezuela, they work and work and cannot afford food, water, and medicine. anderson? >> did people turn themselves in? >> reporter: you know, some did it turn themselves in, a lot of them. we have video of this, too. they walked a few blocks from here and, according to a source, there were hundreds who turned themselves in this afternoon. now, cbp is not releasing official numbers yet. we have asked for them, but our understanding is at least hundreds. if you look around me, we have been live on your show, anderson, and there are a lot more people out here, a clear indication that a lot of those individual turned himself in. >> what happens when they turn themselves in? >> reporter: sorry, i did not hear you. >> what happens when they turn themselves in? >> reporter: a lot of them, when they turn themselves in, they are very afraid.
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some of them were shaking. one man that comes to mind, who i cannot get off my mind, is a man who was shaking. he was holding his phone. he said his daughter had just called from venezuela, and said she was hungry. he said he was terrified to turn himself in, because there was a second round of law enforcement action. we have video of that, too. it was different, anderson, because that was in daylight. the officers were wearing flak jacket instead police, ice, or border control. it was intimidating for a lot of these migrants to see these armored officers now verbally asking these individuals to turn themselves in to immigration authorities. and like i said, right now, a lot of these individuals are off the street, they are not here anymore. i have negated with some of the ones i had talked to, and communication has been cut. i had not heard from them since they went into immigration processing.
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senator dianne feinstein had returned to capitol hill, bringing immigrants back to a full majority in the chamber. a case of shingles left her hospitalized at one point, and kept her in sentences go for nearly three months. the 89-year-old senator last -- in february, and led house democrats to call for her resignation, with her absence holding up judicial nominees. tonight, senate majority leader, chuck schumer, said feinstein is ready to roll up her sleeves and get to work. earlier this year, she announced she would not seek re- election in 2024 but that is it for us. the news continues at prime time with dana bash, starting now. thanks, anderson. good evening, i am dana bash. another unprecedented day in u.s. history. the first of former president to be criminally indicted is now also the first of former president and current presidential candidate to be found liable for sexual abuse and defamation in a civil trial. also tonight, freshman congressman george santos,