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hello everyone, thanks for tuning in to this hour where we bring you tomorrow's news tonight. we have our great lineup for portis. we have harry enten, kara scannell, jeff zeleny joins us tonight, and eva mckend. great have all you guys hear. let's start with former president donald trump. he was found liable in the e. jean carroll defamation and battery case. the jury awarded carroll nearly $5 million in damages, that donald trump must pay, related to sexual abuse and defamation. e. jean carroll responded today, saying, quote, i filed this lawsuit against donald trump to clear my name, and to get my life back. today, the world finally knows the truth. this victory is not just for me, but for every woman who has ever suffered because she was not believed. cnn's kara scannell has been at the courthouse since the start of this case. she's here with us tonight. so, kara, tell us what it was like in the courtroom when that verdict was read. >> so, the judge told everyone to assemble at 3:00.

and we saw e. jean carroll and heard just about two minutes before three. she sat down, sitting between two lawyers. and during the trial, she sat a little bit further down this road. so, she's between two for lawyers, holding hands with one them. so, then as the judges clerk was reading the verdict, the first question, is did the jury find that donald trump had raped e. jean carroll? answer, no. she was still just had her hands collapsed with her lawyer. the next question, did e. jean carroll proof that donald trump sexually abused e. jean carroll? answer, yes. so, that was the win on the battery count. then they went immediately damage, and the defamation. >> what was her demeanor? >> so, she looked like she had a sense of relief on her face. as they got the further down the verdict sheet, she was smiling more, and you know, she and her lawyer, were, like, holding hands and kept looking at each other smiling. she was leading in forward, kind of into the whole moment. but there is no audible sounds.

there was no big reaction. in part, as the judge said, he wanted to maintain decorum. he did not want any outbursts. so he set the table for that at the outset. >> and what was the response on the donald trump side, joe tacopina and his attorney? >> so, joe tacopina, it was interesting in court, he went over and shook e. jean carroll's hand, her attorneys hand. given that this was such a hard-fought battle this was -- >> that's a classy move. >> a very classy move, and he said afterwards, none of this is personal. and he essentially respected them and their lawyering. so, they've come out and said they are going to appeal. tacopina spoke to reporters afterwards. here's what he said. >> obviously, you know, he's affirming his belief, as many people, art that he cannot get a fair trial in new york city. , beast on the jury pool. and i think one could argue that's probably an accurate assessment, based on what happened today.

and you know, again, it's something that, you know, we're very confident on the appellate issues here. >> so, tacopina had spoken to us after he got off the phone with donald trump. so, there he is telegraphing what trump and he had just discuss. so, he was talk about these appellate issues. there are a couple things they're looking to appeal. one of it is what they could not get into trial, and that is they want to put in testimony about reid hoffman, a big donor to democrats. he funded in part some of e. jean carroll's legal defense. one of the big defenses in this case was that she was politically motivated, so, they really want to hit that. point the other thing, they did not want the access hollywood tape to come in. and that's something that carroll's lawyers really capitalize on. they spent a lot of time in their closing arguments on that. and that's part of it is they want to show that's a pattern. they said that should not come in, and some of the two other women who testified, who said the former president had assaulted them in the past, that testimony was allowed. so, these are all issues they want to raise on appeal. >> speak on the politics, jeff?

>> boy, we add one more thing to the resume, if you will, to donald trump. and of course this comes on the eve of a meeting he's having in new hampshire tomorrow with republican voters and independent voters in a town hall, cnn town hall. so, he will of course talk about this, be asked about it. but you kind of wonder, this is a very serious manner, but you wonder if it will matter politically. talking to republicans, talking to some trump advisers, they are not so quick to dismiss it. because one thing they're trying to go after, they have the always trumpers. they have the people who will always be with him. but they are trying to rebrand him a bit, if you, will among some people who are not sort of thrill to the biden administration. >> suburban? women >> suburban women, first and foremost. and this is not good in the long term. in the short term, in the primary, does it matter or not? it's hard to say. he is in the pole position here. he is leading this race. it is early. but in the general election, i heard so much worry from republicans, thinking this

cannot be good a year from now should he win the nomination. >> i mean, sometimes it feels like a game of whack-a-mole with all the many controversies surrounding the former president. but when you speak to democratic voters, for instance, there is nothing more unifying than a deep animus for the president. and you also hear a deep frustration that it seems like, according to democratic voters, that the former president seems to constantly escape accountability. so, you have an instance with this outcome where it seems like he is being held accountable in some way. but i think the more that trump is the focus, it actually unifies democrats. >> harry, do we have any numbers on this? how are voters feeling? >> so, i think we have some numbers historically. and let's walk over to the wall and give you sort of an understanding of what occurred back in 2016, right. there was the access hollywood tape that was mentioned. and there's a question that was asked by cbs news new york times poll, and essentially it

was the allegations that trump made unwanted sexual advances towards women, 54% of voters said that those allegations were mostly true, compared to just 41% who said mostly false. of course, trump was still able to win that 2016 election, despite the fact that a lot of voters believe those allegations. so, you might look at that number and say, okay, you know, even though this is a more serious charge, it might not have that much of an effect, it might not be baked in. by want to give you a look here, because i think this is sort of an interesting sort of deeper dive and in the numbers. and it's that same question, did trump make unwanted sexual advances? and this is among republican voters, okay, republican voters before the 2016 election. if you believe yes, that trump did in fact make some unwanted sexual advances, trump won those gop advent -- gop voters by just 20 points. compare those to the new category, trump won those voters by 92%. so, all of a sudden if you get a few more republican voters who perhaps believe trump made some unwanted sexual advances towards women, that could in

fact increase his margin just enough to perhaps flip the general election. maybe not the primary, but the general election. trump needs all those republicans they can possibly get. finally, i will just point out this. these are google searches. so, people who search for e. jean carroll today for us is alvin bragg on april 4th, the day that trump was arraigned. about twice as many americans search for e. jean carroll's day name today, and alvin bragg's name back on april 4th. so, i believe this will be able to capture at least some americans hearts and minds, based on the google searches. it's certainly something they're looking at. so, we'll just have to wait and see whether or not it actually does have an effect on it. >> that's interesting, the google searches. i do think that puts your finger on the zeitgeist, for what that's worth. what is donald trump? said >> so, trump, he put a statement on truth social. and he's blaming the judge, he's blaming the jury, say he can't get a fair trial. and that's -- what his attorney said, to his statement, where he's saying i have no idea who this woman's, the verdict is a disgrace, a continuation of the greatest

witch hunt of all-time. interestingly, part of the defamatory statement, he was found liable for, was that he said he did not know who e. jean carroll's, so he's not deterred from repeating that, even after this find libel. >> jeff, as ivo was saying, you know, this is not the only case. so, there are other things. and of course, we don't know, as harry was saying, how voters will respond. but it feels like this was just the beginning of what could be a snowball effect in terms of legal cases. >> really possibly. and this was the first time a jury has rendered a verdict in a case against the former president. so, i think that is significant. but yes, there are other cases, as you said, whack-a-mole. i think that's a good way to put it, down the. road georgia, obviously, first and foremost, interfering in the election there, the federal investigation. their time not sure any of these individual cases were all a dry voter thing. but one thing i hear again and again, this is trump exhaustion. republicans out there who are looking for someone else say they're exhausted by the drama

of this. so that, i think, is kind of one of the things that worries the trump advisor, just the exhaustion about all of this. and we know he will be defined. he is suddenly not going to change his posture. but this campaign is trying to run a more professional campaign, really trying to target some of those suburban women and things. this makes it harder. >> kara, thank you very much, it's great to have had you in the courthouse for all of the. thanks for the reporting. all right, next, truth challenge congressman george santos has been charged by the justice department in a federal probe. harry has done the math. and he will tell us about desantis's campaign contributions. i was told there be no math, but you're going to do the math for us. fantastic, okay, great. in the clouds of your choice. withth flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control,, vmware helps you innovate and grow.

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santos could appear as soon as tomorrow in a new york courtroom. charges are currently under seal but the fbi and doj were investigating allegations of false statements in santos's campaign by finance filings. cnn's harry -- you are now just terry. here to fill us in on the developments. all right, so he is charged. for what? >> i think what i want to take a look at is sort of just how bad his numbers are. this to me is just so incredible. i've never seen numbers quite like this. this is george santos's quarter one, 2023 fundraising in his main account. take a look at these contributions. he took in only about $5,000 which is pathetically low for a sitting congressman. even more amazing, the refunds he had to give back from his campaign account were a little more than $8,000. so he had to give back more

money than he took in. >> why is he giving money back? might have been some people who said, i don't want to be a part of this campaign. that's one reason why. we're not exactly sure in the totality but that could definitely be one reason why. but it is not just the fundraising. i want to give you an idea of his historically low approval or favor ratings. so george santos's favor rating in new york's third district, just 7%. i went back, i tried to find people who had similar approval or favorable ratings. the only two i could find were bob taft in 2005, the ohio governor at 7%. and rob legault of itch at 8% back in 2008. he was the illinois governor. keep in mind, blagojevich became convicted criminals. which of course, is something that may end up happening to george santos. finally, the idea maybe as a republican in new york and hold on to. no, that is not the case. here's the favor rating around

republicans in new york's third district. george santos, just 11%. of, course he is a republican. joe biden, who is a democrat has the same favor rating. 11%. so he is as unpopular as the truly unpopular sitting president is among republicans if you are just tallying it all up. george santos's data is awful for him. even before any charges were brought. and i can only imagine that his numbers may somehow find a way to sink even lower. >> so jeff surely, republicans will host him from congress? surely they. will or won't, and this is why. look, can mccarthy's majority hangs on really five votes. that is one of those votes from that district on long island. republicans need that vote. but republicans are growing increasingly worried about this. nancy mace, the congresswoman from south carolina said tonight that she believes it is time for him to go. others as well. we will see if there are charges filed tomorrow as we expect how this will go. but they need his votes.

so what speaker mccarthy has said that if somebody is convicted, then they move towards removing somebody. but as they are charged, that is not the criteria. again, it is a mathematics thing. if republicans had a big majority, he would already be gone. >> i've been covering this since december, several months now. and i think that it is easy to get up, get caught up in a theater of george santos. because some of it is quite theatrical. and he himself enjoys sort of relishing being notorious. it seems like he has played into this quite a bit. but you have to remember that there are people who live in this district and there are some really boring basic things that members of congress have to do. >> for their constituents. that these constituents sort of rely on their lawmakers for. like ensuring that there is federal funding for certain projects for instance or trusting them with really sensitive information. and all along, as i have been

speaking to people who live in that district, that has been the core frustration. we, whether they voted for him or did not. they do not believe that they have a credible person in office. so i spoke to them in response to this. they said to me it is the beginning of being heard. but now it is time for kevin mccarthy to act. it's an absolute insult if he does not act now. that is a woman who is an organizer in concerned citizens group who has been advocating for something to happen for several months. even traveling up to washington a few months ago to meet with mccarthy. >> really interesting. by the time he is convicted, we will be the next election cycle. so what does that look? >> i'm really unsure how he gets reelected. you already has a primary challenge on the electorate side. republican gop hates his guts. you already have a fellow republican member of congress

on long island. basically saying he has to go. and it should've gone yesterday. so i understand how gets past the primary. and if it gets past the primary, remember, new york's third district is a district joe biden won by eight points. i'll point out something, jumping off of eva's point. like look, there have been plenty of politicians who've been involved in scandals before. corruption scandals. i grew up in the bronx. mario biology was somebody who actually went to jail for a corruption scandal. but he was still well liked by a number of people in his district because he actually did his job. this is what we are talking about. congressman doing their jobs. it's not apparent to me from your reporting that he is actually doing the basics of actually being a congressman. >> often these corruption cases happen after someone who's been in congress for a long time. perhaps they've become too cozy but their constituents services are often very good. i mean look at rostenkowski. long list of people.

>> exactly, that's what voters send them back. but this happened before he was elected so, it is hard to imagine they are making it a primate, let alone a general. but you will see if he makes that for. >> wasn't the mayor of providence like reelected from jail? >> sometimes that happens. but i like your, point he is not established himself. santos hasn't established himself long enough to be elected yet. >> one other thing i will just note, this is around fundraising. but there is such a laundry list of different things that it's like, you know we are talking about lap whack-a-mole. it's whack-a-mole here. i can't even list them. what is the, 15, 20 different and he's accused of? says one thing, i just believe the total and complete opposite of what he said. so even if he somehow manages to turn the table on this particular charge. there is such a laundry list of them. matt it just doesn't work as far as i'm concerned. >> it's a good thing that this

case is wrapped up. you will be busy. >> you speak of the theatrical right? santos actually showed up as we were waiting for trump's arraignment. she showed up to walk around the park there that today. all the cameras were swarming around him. he just came through the spectacle and now he is on the other side of this. having to show up in federal court tomorrow. >> just gets curiouser and curiouser. thank you for that reporting. >> the nation is moving closer to actually defaulting on its debt. alaska is a deal. there is no break yet in the stalemate between president biden and republican leaders. did the president miscalculate? jeff has answers on that next.

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>> president biden met with top lawmakers today on the debt ceiling crisis. both biden and house speaker kevin mccarthy made it clear that negotiations are now stalled. what time running out. >> i do not know what he thinks. what mccarthy thinks. speaker mccarthy. i think he thinks he knows better. i think he knows that the default would be disastrous. and i think he knows what could not possibly passing the congress. it's dead on arrival. >> everybody in this meeting reiterated the positions they were at. i did not see any new movement. the president said the staff to get back together. it is very clear the president. we now have just two weeks to go. >> jeff is on top of this story. what happens now? >> here we go again.

what is next on the agenda is a meeting on friday. but you are sort of wondering if there is two weeks to go, why wait until friday for another meeting. and the reality is, these meetings are a good photo op. it's good that it's happening obviously but nobody expected there to be any resolution in fact there was not. it basically stated their positions and staff is going to meet. the challenge here is this. the white house last met, has been 97 days since president biden met with speaker mccarthy and other congressional leaders. and virtually nothing has happened over the last 97 days. so here we are on the verge of crisis. washington never acts unless there is a brink of crisis. >> in respect, this is progress. because we are getting closer to the end. but it's really hard to see the end of the road here. because the white house thought that house republicans would fracture. they thought they would splinter. and not reunify. well speaker mccarthy, even though it took him 15 votes to get elected speaker. was able to keep house republicans unified on their

position on this. so now, it is the president who no longer sort of has the high ground here. and he does, a he called this meeting today. and be he is likely to have to negotiate. >> he's always saying a clean. bill and we should just say, this is not about current spending. every time we talk about this, we should explain that this is about yesterday's bill. >> paying your credit card. bill this is not about the biden policies. we will get to that at another point. >> and i would, say maybe we have not really seen republicans sort of crumble here because they do not seem to be as affected by external pressures as they have historically. like the republican donor class. it does not seem like that is weighing on their decision. >> why not, do they not understand what catastrophes could happen. we keep hearing from all of our financial experts. social security, i mean military checks. if you just go down the line, it's going to be bad. >> yes, it could be. but at the same time, the

people who are beating that drum are the institutionalist 's. and if you do not have respect for those voices, and you don't really believe them. so i think that is why they are pushing this to the brink. i will say, it's going to be hard as we get closer to this to make the argument to the american people. i think that they are going to have a harder event to make to the american people about why we would not be paying for something that already occurred for a bill that is already do essentially. >> yes, but aren't they saying quickly if i'm wrong, sure, sure we get, that will pay that bill but we need you to agree that going forward, we are going to slash this and slice and dice this. that's what kevin mccarthy wants. >> exactly. they want there to be a deal before they raise the debt ceiling, they want to be spending caps of some kind. and the president says that he is not going to negotiate specifically on the debt ceiling. that's been in chicago later time. but what i sort of wonder, and we've covered a lot of these over the years. you think back to i guess the

most recent example in divided government. and that is what this is. president trump had to negotiate with nancy pelosi so at the end of the day here, it's impossible for me to imagine president biden not having to give some ground and negotiate some on this. but, the problem now for speaker mccarthy is that his conference, his house republicans also are holding fast and it may not be as willing. so at the end of the day, the smart people around washington i talked to. republicans are democrats, think that is likely going to be a democratic only bill. where if you moderate republicans come on in support. but one, question i talked to wall street executive today and he said what is happening in washington, he is astonished that there is not more of a sense of urgency. so to your point, i think there will be more in the coming days and weeks about guys, this is going to tank the markets. >> who will voters blame a? >> there are a few interesting nuggets at the polling suggesting.

it was an abc news washington post poll. the particular poll, just by a few percentage points voters saying that they were mueller likely to blame congressional republicans and blame president biden. that's very different from what we saw the data factor in the debt ceiling crises back in the early 2010s. when overwhelmingly more voters said that they would blame republicans in congress than president barack obama. so when we are talking about why are republicans may not be willing to come to the table as fast. given as fast as you might otherwise have expected. part of that has to do with the polling data. there is not the same political pressure. there was back in the 2010s. but getting off to jeff's point in terms of how will investors. i spoke about this last week. as the deaths and evolves and goes on and on. that is at the chance of a default, according to investors is rising rather rapidly over the past few weeks. now, it is certainly not anywhere close to a majority chance of happening. but the fact is that the chance

of it occurring according to investors has more than doubled over the last few -- >> why, because they are an impasse or because we are getting close to the june 1st? >> it's probably both of those things going on. we are closer to an impasse. and there is no sign at this particular point that there is going to be a deal. as you heard the speaker say. came into the room, we re-articulated our positions, that we are. that doesn't exactly sound like ray proof of oceans at this point. >> kara, i remember in 2011, covering this day in and day out ad nauseam. i remember thinking at the 11th hour, they came up with a compromise. and i think i remember, they are going to trick me again. fool me once, shame on you. they are not going to trick me again. that is why as i ask these questions, it sounds like something has changed to your point diva. we are at a worse impasse this time around. >> that's what i wanted to.

i feel like we go through these cycles, whether it is the debt ceiling or a budget issue and then there is, like you said nothing ever happens until there is a crisis and then crisis averted right? so like, what do you guys think are the odds that we are going to have a problem here? that calamity will happen? will be an 11th hour deal? >> tommy optimistic, i think there will be a type of deal because we are on the verge of the eve of an election year and it is bad for everyone. it's bad for the president and congressional democrats. one thing that is interesting, a lot of pressure on the white house from academics to. the president just go in alone. skip congress. to the 14th amendment. >> can he? >> there is interesting legal theory on that. some scholars and yes he can. the president today was actually asked about that and he said it is interesting. he considering it, but it's a last-ditch option. would immediately get held up in the courthouse. >> and it is not tested.

and that would really rattle the markets. but there are some very -- scholars urging the president to take matters into his own hands. so if it gets for down the road, we will see. but the white house believes that is the last-ditch effort. >> i think the politics to can shift if more americans really start to wake up to this and understand what's going on. if you are concerned about social security, their savings. all of that. >> thank you very much. >> president biden is facing punching poll numbers in a key reloading block as he seeks reelection. going to look at some of the reasons behind the decline and who we are talking about in this demographic. if you wake up thinking about the market and want to make the right moves fast... get decision tech from fidelity. [ cellphone vibrates ] you'll g get proactive alerts for market events before they happen...

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>> president biden's latest approval ratings are weak as he launches his reelection campaign. that is especially true of one constituency. young progressive voters aged 18 to 29. eve has been doing a lot of reporter on this. eva, why are young progressive souring on the president? >> me and my colleague spoke to young activists across the country. and essentially, they feel as though they aren't being listened to. or they are being engaged at the white house, but they describe these interactions as perfunctory. one of the key issues was this alaska drilling project. that the administration approved.

the administration will say that was already in the pipeline. and no pun intended. and that they had to do it. but also, there have been some other high-profile reversals as well allison. on public safety issues as well as immigration. and they are telling us that it is not enough for the white house. for president biden to keep telling and democrats at large to keep telling these young people, consider the alternative. they have to come with a compelling, inspiring message. >> is that true evil. because let's say it's a race between president biden and president trump, these young progressives are not going to vote for president trump right? so what they do, sit it out? >> it could sit home, they could. and you know, it is, i think also we are sort of hearing that there is this skepticism about the effectiveness of the electoral process. i voted and i have seen the

erosion of reproductive rights. now republicans though are talking about some of the issues dear to this constituency. in a way that is problematic. that might push them to the other side. for instance, when we talk about trans youth. these young people, if you are a young person in this country, you are more likely to know somebody who is trans. somebody who is trans is in your family. you're not talking about them in the abstract. so these very vicious attacks that we see on trans folks across the country is deeply personal to these voters. and so, they could be so outraged by that on the other side that it may prompt them to support a president biden and democrats. but it might not be enough. >> are the numbers reflecting? that >> frankly, joe biden's approval rating among young voters, they stink. i mean that is an adjective i would use to describe it. ultimately, i think the

question that you pose is the key question. which is, how do these approval ratings translate in a voting pattern? and what we saw in 2022 was that joe biden's approval ratings, among young voters were similarly that. but what actually happened in the polls, it turns out that democrats more than held their own among voters under the age of 30. and it's exactly the reason you pointed out. which is that considered the alternative? a big question again is do they actually turn out? because right, we do not have compulsory voting in this country. have to go and cast a vote. i want comes to point, what we generally see is that well enthusiasm is lacking. democrats at this particular point to say that they are as likely to cast a ballot, or as republicans are. so i certainly agree that young voters might not look like joe biden but they hate donald trump and that may be enough. >> the white house knows that they have work to do on this. we spoke to them as well. they pointed out that this next

gen group are huge gen z voting mobilization. >> they've already endorsed for this next election. they did note that. and they said that they are speaking to social media influencers. and they are also engaging with grassroots gun safety organizations. that is an issue that is really important to young people. so they are attacking this problem. they recognize that it is vulnerability. >> the biggest advantage of all the president has is that he does not have a significant primary challenger. he would really be in trouble if say, bernie sanders for example decided he was going to challenge him. a lot of these young voters. and that is the interesting thing, he is almost as old as the president but young voters still gravitate towards him because of his policy. that is what the white house really is thankful for. every single day. >> it's bernie sanders going to launch a campaign. ? >> i was in michigan last week talking to voters said that her vote before joe biden was

specifically to stop donald trump. and she is going to vote for joe biden again because bernie sanders endorsed him. i said really? she said absolutely. so i do think that the biggest advantage the white house has. and they know it. probably says a prayer every night. >> that there is not a big primary challenge. because we have seen what happens historically when presidents have primary challenges. jimmy carter, george h. w. bush. it is tough for them in the general. >> but when you have to rely on this patchwork of constituencies, and we have to also remember the president biden won election in a really unique circumstance that were favorable to him. didn't have to be on the trail during the height of the pandemic. he was able to hold a small event, speak to union workers. do these events and campaign in a style that really worked for him. it's a different ball game this time around. >> yeah, and i don't know care if young people are going to be placated by just having some social media influencers touting the president. they really want him to respect

their policy choices. it feels that he supports them. >> right, it's probably different then bringing olivia rodrigo out to tell people to get vaccinated. these issues are much weight here. then what we are talking about here. about reproductive rights, about trans rights. that is a significant concern to voters. >>, everywhere you turn your nose up to olivia view go? >> i don't know who that is. >> this tells me that you work too much. you work too much. you are here all the time. you don't know the biggest hit song of what was it? last, year a year, two years ago. what was it? drivers license, nothing? >> i don't have a drivers license. , harry, harry, harry. >> i thought the story was so important, you know i'm in washington and i think the conventional wisdom is that the left will come along. and i think that is really problematic. and is what prompted greg an

eye to do this story. if you listen to progressive lawmakers, they are not sounding the alarm. but you speak to progressive voters across the, country they are concerned. >> i appreciate you bringing this to our attention. i hadn't known about how young voters are feeling about the president. so thank you very much eva. up next, on the lookout. our reporters are going to tell us what stories they're looking out for on the horizon and we'll find out how very doesn't know anything about modern-day. e is trying to look cool, things are about to heat up. darn it, kyle! and if you don't have the right homeme insurance coverag, you could end upup paying for this yourself. so get allstate. i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. bujust ok isn't ok. and i s done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can dramatically relieve

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reporters. our never ending effort to educate harry enten to enter the 21st century. and understand who olivia rodrigo is. >> it's not working, you are resistant to this, are you? >> i just think the song was made up. i've ever heard the song before. . >> it's a classic. it's now a modern classic. >> every night we will educate you on something else. because you don't leave this pillar. this is called on the lookout. our reporters tell us what they are keeping an eye on. harry? >> one, i am looking forward to our cnn town hall tomorrow. hosted by our great colleague kaitlan collins. at least that is at 8 pm eastern with the former president donald trump. on the basically non sucking up. >> was that your sucking up to our producers, is that we are just? >> sucking up to everybody. >> the bosses, got you. this is speaking of my lack of current pop culture knowledge.

this week is the 25th anniversary of the series finale of signed. up 76 million people to know that. i remember. i can imagine 76 million people tuning into the same event that was not sports or presidential debate. these, days it was truly a cultural touchstone. and if i recall correctly, on that same evening, frank sinatra actually passed. that was a pretty big night in american culture. >> amazing that is 25 years ago. also it tells me we're stuck 25 years ago. as the last cultural moment you remember basically is what you are telling? >> outside sports and politics, that is correct. >> kara? >> i've been in a little bit of a bubble. i'm a little behind on what is happening in the pop world. but, even i was covering george santos for a while. i'm just so curious what these charges are going to be. and if there is any coconspirators or appearance that anybody was cooperating with the investigation.

>> that will all be tomorrow. >> correct, got it. thank you very much. jeff? >> interesting sports and politically news combined. white house always has national championship teams to celebrate. tonight, georgia bulldogs, which of course when the football championship in january. ptc. they said that they declined the invitation to come to the white house. saying that the date was not appropriate. and it is in june. of course school is out. so it is perhaps that makes sense. >> raising some eyebrows. it's just interesting that they declined the invitation. there has been a bit of a kerfuffle. the first lady of course in women's basketball. championships, stepped in my say all the teams should come. so this is just interesting. maybe think of, when the first time i was at the white house. 1995, when the nebraska corn huskers where i went to school when the national championship. bill clinton invited the.

that is where i met wolf blitzer for the first time. >> and harry enten? >> i love those days. it's too bad that the georgia bulldogs won't be. >> great memory. >> eva? >> south carolina democrats just tapped krystal spain. the first black woman in the party's history in that state to lead the party. i found that really interesting. especially in the context of another high-profile black female lawmaker in south carolina. recently left the party. leah mcleod. what i covered last year. and for governor. did not feel supported by the party and the primary process. she was trying to be the state's first black female governor. and now, you have the ascension of spain. also, south carolina, going to be huge next year. as democrats now make it the first nation primary. that state to, be the first nation primary. so a lot of reasons to keep an eye on that state. >> excellent.

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