run against him? >> well, look, sure. when people get up and try to debate donald trump on policy, you are missing the. point you've got to debate donald trump on him, on his character, on the flaws that he brings to the table, on his weakness, on the fact that he is a loser. and as a republican, as a four time winning republican, i am tired of losing. we should've won in 2022, we lost. we should wanted 2020, we got our clock cleaned, because of his leadership and messaging not getting it done. i supported him in 2016, i supported him in 2020. but he's a three time loser going on to be a four-time loser. and it's not just him that i'm worried about. i'm worried about the u.s. senate races, i'm worried about the governorships, i'm worried about the ballot that he affects up and down the ticket. i want winners. i want independents back on the team. i want young people to be reinvigorate by what i think is a great republican, conservative product that doesn't get the headlines it deserves, because the former president just keeps trying to defend himself or the flaws of

2020. >> but if you look at polls among republican voters, it is, this man is who they want, as of now. he's far ahead of everybody else. >> we have not had a debate yet. i mean, not even a single debate. the field is still yet to be defined, whether it's myself or other candidates. >> you think the debates really matter that much? >> oh, my god, yes, absolutely. i think those debates, folks are going to see he is not the same. guy this is not 2016. he doesn't bring the same fire. there's no new ideas. he's just going to try to re-litigate what happened in 2020. but we all know exactly what happened there. he's going to be on the defensive. he's not gonna have the energy. so, i think there's a huge opportunity for the new generation, the new voice the republican party, new ideas to come to fruition. there's still a lot of play here before we even get to the first of the nation primary in new hampshire, which is next january. so, i understand the polls. when someone pulls and says, do you support donald trump? think about what's going on in new york with the dea, they think about, you know, he's playing that victim card very

well. let's just think about the irony of that, the fact that donald trump is playing a victim here. but they do think there is a political vendetta, if you, will against him. now, does that translate into a vote nine months from now? totally different story. absolutely totally different story, which is why i still very firmly believe he will not be the nominee. there will be a lot of opportunity for republicans to shine. >> you heard him tonight attacked the new york civil trial, which is fine liable of sexual abuse. he also defended his access hollywood comments tonight. i did want to play a clip of that for our viewers. >> i said if you're famous, and rich, or whatever i said. but i said if you are a star, you are, and i said women like you. i didn't say you, i said women let. i did use that word. but if you look, women let you. they said, now, will you take that back? i said, look, for 1 million years, this is the way it's been. >> by the, way he said they let you do it.

you can do anything, including grabbing them by the -- , you know what he said. do you think there's anything he said tonight that would lose him support whether publicans, or republican-leaning independents? >> well, he's not getting any support, i will tell you that. again, i don't think anything he said shock to people. because we've kind of crossed that paradigm a long time ago in the sky. he's trying to play the he said, she said thing. he's trying to twist everything around and not address the issue ahead on. and it's defensive, it's weak, and here point, there's no one it said, you know what, i think i'm going to change my mind, i think i'm with him now. no, no one is back on the team, so to say. because again, there's just nothing new. the outrageous lies, the outrageous aspects of himself. but it's from a week or, more defensive position than he ever has been before. and that's not what americans are looking. for it's just. not and i think again, given new options, i think the republican party is going to take advantage. >> do you think the former

presidents criminal investigations have any impact, based on what you see tonight with republican voters? >> no, no, no, not really, look, i think there's been criminal investigations in the. passed for whatever criminal investigations in the future. i don't think it's going to swing votes, per se. it'll be good news in headlines. there's a lot of little b to it. i'm not saying there's no validity to it. but in terms of actually moving a voter, there's nothing he can do, or being indicted, on that i think is overly outrageous to people and will pull people away from him that he does not already have. i think the problem he has is he is not winning new voters back. and that's what you have to do to win. he's doing nothing to win suburban moms. he's nothing to doing nothing to win. independents do nothing to win that very thin margins of independents that got on his team in 2016 to give him the win. backed way off in 2018, 2020, 2022, cost us all elections across the board as a republican party. they're not necessarily coming. back none of them are saying, gee, i guess i'm back on.

so, it's not there. and again, my fear is not just for the presidency, it's all the way down that ticket. u.s. senate races. we should have 50. i'm a republican, we should have 54 u.s. senate races. but his messaging and his candidates got their butts kicked in 2022. and i'm tired of losing. we're all tired of losing. let's bring something to the table. and i think everyone is excited for that. he's getting his moment now. but he has not really been challenged, not by his peers. i thinhe's getting his moment n. but he has not really been challenged, not by his peers. i think caitlin did a fantastic job, by the. way she did not back down at all. she was steadfast and held her own. but you know, he just kind of kept reiterating the lies and almost trying to run out the clock, if you. will >> you talk about bringing something to the table. do you, can you say, i'm not gonna ask you if you want to, but can you say when you would make a decision about when you would bring yourself to the table in this race? >> i think all the candidates, potential candidates, really have to decide by mid to late june. it's really hard to go beyond, that given the logistics of ballot access, of the axis and what you'll need to get on the

debate stage. although, we now find out former president trump's win being out. he's a, wimpy doesn't get on the debate stage and talk about issues. he doesn't want to get on the debate stage, drain the swamp, like he said he was going, to fix health care, like he promised, build a wall, like he said he would. he just doesn't even want to fix that challenge from his peers, who, someone like myself, a governor who understands issues, understands details, how systems were, how to get things done, regardless of the hand you're dealt, his thing is, blame right. he's going to keep blaming everybody else. but in politics, you can't blame other people. when you're blaming someone else, all you're doing is highlighting the fact that they beat you. whether it's republicans or democrats, if you are blaming republicans for not getting your agenda done, that means they won the argument, they won the negotiation. so, this great negotiator they trust pretend to be, he just didn't get enough done. he's proven to not be able to negotiate in that public sphere. >> governor, i appreciate your time, thank you. >> you bet. >> let's go back to jake in

washington. >> all right, anderson, we're back with the panel. you know, one of the, we talked about the abortion issue, which is of immense consequence to voters here in the united states. an issue that is of immense consequence of people over the world has to do with our position, the united states government position on ukraine. and donald trump, he loves to brag about his good relationship with vladimir putin of russia. the questions have been asked about what donald trump would do were he to be elected president again, in terms of support for the war in ukraine. and kaitlin try to get some answers from him. take a listen. >> do you want ukraine or russia to win this war? >> i want everybody to stop dying. they are dying. russians and ukrainians, i want them to stop dying. i don't have that done, all have that done in 24 hours. all have it done. you need the power of the presidency to do it. >> but you won't say you want

ukraine to win? >> i will say this. i want europe to put up more money. >> so, a moral equivalence made between an invading country, russia, and victimized country, ukraine. and we don't have an answer. >> no answer, he's always been friendly to putin. just a few weeks ago in an interview, he said that putin was savvy edginess for his moves in ukraine. i think it's worth noting in the context of what i would call trump escalation, with his first house impeachment, it was over abuse of power and withholding, withholding aid from ukraine, right. and now, he's saying all these years later the war is going to end when i show up on the first day. how does that mean withholding aid? what does that mean? and i think with every one of his, answers have to ask yourself what is the logical conclusion, what's the next step to the thing he's talking about. and you can do that in your head with abortion. what does it mean to negotiate further? and what does it mean to pardon

the people on january 6th? a large majority of the people on january 6th? what does it mean to athlete babbitt, those on the extreme, right considered a martyr, instead of somebody who charge the capitol and lost their life as a result. this is the beginning of a conversation, right. he is asking people for another four years, so that he can continue to more these policies. >> and jamie, one of the other things he said, the hague has charged vladimir putin with war crimes having to do with essentially their kidnapping of hundreds, if not thousands, of ukrainian children, and taking them to russia. he's been charged with war crimes. very serious, and very precise, it was evidence based, fact based. it was not just some sweeping indictment. it was about this one specific thing. kaitlan asked donald trump about that too. >> you believe putin is a war criminal? he's responsible for the deaths of thousands of men and women

and civilians in russia. >> it's not something that should be discussed, now it should be discussed later. right now, we have to win a war. if you say he's a war criminal, so to be a lot tougher to get this thing stop. because if he's going to be a war criminal, are people going to grab him and execute him? he is going to fight a lot harder than he's fighting, you know, under the other circumstance. that's something to be discussed at a later date. >> isn't it right to call it what it is? >> right now, we need to get the war settled. i'm not about the money, either. on top of all the lives that have been -- the number of people have been killed in that war is far greater than you hear. when they blow up the city, and those buildings come pouring doubt, and they say two people were injured, no, no, hundreds of thousands of people were killed. and we have to get that were settled. >> that's amazing about that. he refuses to call putin a war criminal. and then details a hideous war crime, while refusing to say if the russians that are the ones that are shelling the civilian apartment buildings. >> so, for context, let's all remember that most americans

support u.s. support of ukraine. i think that was a classic donald trump we shouldn't discuss it now. because he doesn't want to discuss it now. because he, eighth, does not have a solution. and b, he really doesn't want to say anything negative about putin. in a certain way, it was not unlike his abortion answer, which was something to the effect of i want to negotiate to make everyone happy. >> right, a good thing. >> to me, the trump campaign put out a statement saying that donald trump laid out his vision to reserves the biden decline started on day one. i really can't think of a whole lot that he really laid out. >> drill, baby, drill, that was. it >> drill, baby, drill, he said he would finish the wall, but that he already finished the wall. he would put into place child separation. but really on the issues that are at hand right now, on

ukraine, on abortion, he refused to give details. and i think that was very telling about how they're trying to position themselves in this moment. this is not -- he is a former president of the united states. he has already been in the office. so, you would assume he has a pretty clear ideas of what he wants to do, what his policy is. on all of these issues, he refused to lay it out. he dodged a lot of questions. tonight that it wasn't just because he likes to talk circles, it's because they are trying to avoid him being pinned down on things they want to be flexible on. but i have to say, it is going to be very difficult for him to be flexible on some of the stuff. once he gets into a real campaign environment, in which he is up against even other republicans who have different views -- >> can i just disagree? i think that he is never going to say and answer these questions. i think what we saw tonight -- >> oh yeah. >> it's classic donald trump. >> dana? >> despite the fact you have the chris christie's of the

world that says if he gets in, he will try to do this, and others as well. but i think where you started this conversation about ukraine, i think it's very telling that so far, aside from governor sununu, the official responses on twitter from chris christie, they mentioned earlier, and also isa hutchinson had, they've been totally zeroed in on the issue of ukraine, whether that is because it is a very safe place, a clear delineation with him on a traditionally republican conservative issue, to be more hawkish, to stand up to autocrats, to stand up to people like vladimir putin. >> because they're reagan republicans. >> but the question is, are they making the right bet? if you go back to 2016, it was absolutely not. >> they may not be making the right bat, but can you beat him in he's redefined, reimagine, repopulated republican party? this is trump's party now, not ronald reagan's party. but bless them for standing up on principle, democrat, republican, independent, not

sure. the former president of united states would not say a dictator invaded a democracy. it's complicated, it's expensive, it's messy, but it will not stand, period. should not be a hard answer. >> i think a lot of republicans -- the problem with the republican party on ukraine's many of them are in that exact same boat, where they don't want to say they support ukraine -- >> that's not with the bases. >> because voters don't want them to support ukraine. >> the american people support it, at the base, the base is not as convinced. >> as jared said, donald trump hijacked the republican party, and you heard in that audience tonight. >> sure did. >> we're going to have to take a break. coming up next, maggie haberman of the new york times, pulitzer prize winner, she was covering donald trump long before he entered the political arena. and has written, of course, the definitive account of his time in the presidency and in the political arena and in new york. what's her take? we'll get that, when we come back. u know the ingredients and you know what's in it has absolutely helped him.

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accepting the results of the election, regardless of the electric? >> want me to answered? again if i think it's an honest election, i'd be honored to. and right now, we are so far ahead of both republican and democrat. and if i don't, when this country is going to be in big trouble. it's so sad to see what's happening. [applause] >> but no commitment there on the substantive results, regardless of the outcome? >> if it's an honest election, i. would >> okay, not committed to accepting the 2020 election results? >> the former president, with cnn's kaitlan collins. tonight the president signaling the next election could be like the last. he really seems to be. jake? >> joining me now, anderson, new york times senior political analyst and trump biographer maggie haberman, the author the great book called confidence man, the making of donald trump and the breaking of america. maggie, let's start with that clip, because i think is important people understand why kaitlan, but she was asserting, that he was refusing to say he would concede if he lost.

because he kept on saying if i believe it's an honest election. just to be clear, donald trump, before he beat hillary clinton, said it was not going to be an honest election. suddenly he won, and he was. when he lost to ted cruz in iowa, he said it was stolen, which it wasn't, ted cruz beat fair and square. and obviously in 2020, happened, she was right, he is not committing to accepting a defeat if he does run and lose. >> no, caitlin was exactly right. she was late in the line of questioning. and she was right in her interpretation of what he said. he was not saying he would concede if he lost. he was suggesting that all of this is fungible, just as he did, to your point, in an election he won. he called an election he won rigged. so, he's doing this all as it is a negotiating prospect. that, you know, translates to he will not say if he will concede. which is very significant after we watched what happened post-2020 and on january 6th 2021. >> yeah, troubling, absolutely

troubling. and just a reminder, even though he won, he beat hillary clinton in electoral vote, but he lost the popular vote by more than 3 million votes. and then he set up an election commission at the white house to prove that those 3 million popular votes that he lost hillary clinton by were fraudulent. and of course, they were not able to do so, because they were not fraudulent. >> right, a commission he ironically made mike pence be in charge. and it was an assignment at the white house that nobody wanted, because they do not believe it is going to yield anything. >> yeah. what did you make of his overall performance this evening? >> so, i think there is a couple of different things that can be true at once. i think that for donald trump, in a republican primary, and that was that crowd in that town hall tonight, this was not a bad night for him in terms of appealing to them. i thought was incredibly striking, jake, that when he said he was inclined to pardon many of the january 6th rioters that were arrested that day for the attack on the capitol,

there is loud applause from that audience. so, i thought that was pretty revealing. frankly, i think it's important for people to understand where the republican primary electorate is. but i think trump got a lot of what he wanted, you know, to get out of tonight. i think use hoping to show he could go into any room. and i think is going to try to dominate. what i don't think it's great for him was his answers. and kaitlan pushed him on, this she knows this case, his possession of classified material at mar-a-lago. he gave a lot of answers that i think will be very interesting to the special counsel investigating. >> yeah, another moment that was interesting in the sense that it was completely horrific to watch was when he was asked about the jury finding him liable of sexual, assault of sexually assaulting e. jean carroll. a jury of his peers found that to be the case. and he made, like, a comedy routine out of it. not that i found it funny. but people in that audience found it funny. >> they, did which gets to my

point, the way he's interpreted, and i have talked about this for a while, to some people, it's a psychological thrill, two others, it's a laugh track, and that audience was a laugh track. he was taking really detailed pieces of evidence that he was saying were not introduced properly in this e. jean carroll case. meanwhile, it's his own lawyers who are representing him. but he was just turning this into a joke. and the crowd was eating it up. i will say, jake, again, four republican primary electorate, this helps him. it's not clear to me how many these clips are particularly helpful of he's the nominee in a general election. i think democrats believe that. >> yeah, he was pushed also on the issue of abortion. he declared, as you and i have discussed, not without reason, that he is the reason roe v. wade is no longer the law of the land. he appointed three litmus tested supreme court justices, who voted to overturn it. earlier, he said you thought he

was going to probably respond to a question about abortion in a way that might appease social conservatives. do you think he accomplished that? >> i do. i think he would not commit to a federal abortion ban. and there will be some, you know, social conservatives who don't find it acceptable. but there will be a numbered will latch on to him, talking about his pride and ending roe v. wade, and say that's enough for them, and that the trust he will do the right thing, you know, and their minds, right, what they consider right, when he becomes president. again, another answer i don't think it's particularly helpful in election for republican. before the primary electorate, i think it will give enough of a fig leaf for some voters to stay with them. >> yeah, i don't know about swing voters in wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan, but certainly for trump. >> yeah, that's right, that's right. >> thanks so much, maggie, appreciate it. anderson? >> back with our political commentators here in new york. david axelrod, does this change anything? it's interesting, i mean, the outrage many people have of hearing from the former president, it's interpreted

differently based on what side the political aisle you're on. there are plenty of people who heard this tonight and thought he did great, and that's the person they love. and all those people were angry. maybe part of it is the realization that this is what the next two years are going to be like. perhaps the next six years. >> yeah, there's no doubt about it. look, we're a deeply divided country. and donald trump is one of the reasons why we are divided country. and that's part, that central to his politics. as maggie was saying, as i said earlier, i think he went in that room, like, he didn't govern as the president the whole united states, he governed as the president of a space. i think he wanted to that room and spoke to his base. and i think you probably scored with his base. and right now, that's what he cares about. one thing that interests me is on this interest of, this point of him saying, well, if i think the election is fair, which is what he said in the past, then i will accept the results. one of the primary? what if he's not the nominee other publican party?

because i think the other calculation democrats are making is donald trump can't lose. constitution, his own constitution, unable to lose. is he going to wake up one morning when the delegates are counted, if he comes up short, and say, now it's time to fall in and march behind my friend ron desantis? i cannot even imagine that scene. and that's another problem for the republican party. >> congressman, as a republican, are you concerned about that? >> no, not at all. frankly, i think that donald trump is going to be our nominee. i think it's something i do -- it's important to say. even if he listens to the last segment of jake, everything that was just talk about was not on the mind of independent voters in america. they are focused on the things that are affecting their families. first and foremost, has my child actually caught up with being locked in schools for two years? is fentanyl, which is a major issue in so many communities around our country, is the president going to do the job of securing our border and

stopping the drug cartels from having operational control of our southern border? are we going to maintain the dollar as the world reserve currency, as trying to try negotiator on the united states? inflation, yes, the year over year numbers trending down, but the impact of inflation on the american family has completely devalued their wages over the last two years. those are the things that really matter to americans. so, they look at the -- >> widest president trump spent so much time, not in this forum, but when he goes out and make speeches, why is he spent so much time on -- >> i think he does. and this is a key thing, david, i'll let you go soon. he does. if you're in a room with him, listen to him talk, he does not really talk much about the 2020 elections. he doesn't. in my count for three, four minutes. most of it is on the agenda. and he talks about it for over an hour. >> i do -- i want to agree with something that you said at the beginning, which is when it came up, are you afraid that donald trump will be the nominee? you said, no, i'm not afraid of

that. watching tonight, donald trump doesn't seem afraid that he will be the nominee either. he was given multiple opportunities to take a swipe at others in the republican field. did not do it. we got one desanctimonious. he whiffed on the question about what he would do around disney. but then the question comes, okay, if you think you've already got this locked up, why not try to do something more to reach the middle? and there was one line, i wrote it down, our country is being destroyed by stupid people. that is a quote from donald trump tonight. that's the kind of thing that honestly, you and i have probably heard in 1 million focus group from swing voters. and if you have a country that feels like the wheels are coming, off they voted for joe biden put the wheels back on, they don't feel like that's happened, even though what we just watched feels chaotic and insane, it's not just the republican base that finds something appealing in that. >> and that's what i said in the break, we were talk about this. what biden says, and i agree with wholeheartedly is, biden says don't judge me against the almighty, but the alternative.

what byron is saying is exactly correct. trump voters are looking and saying, look, i'm not talking about 2020, i'm looking at what's going on right now. what is the alternative to not having donald trump? you know, crime in the streets. they see what's happening, look at the streets in san francisco, shooting gallery in kensington, in philadelphia, since decay and crime. and they think that trump is going to come and turn it around. one alternative thing, real quickly, because people keep tweeting this to me, do you think joe biden is going to go on fox? do you think he's got to be capable of going on fox and doing a town hall like this? do you think he would be strong enough or willing enough or adept enough to do? this >> yeah. >> so, i give the president props, like david says. >> remember, we're in a primary, not a general election. i don't know why everyone is pretending we have this head to head which nobody once again, which is trump versus biden. the fact is every issue you listed, i care transmissions -- i care tremendously about, and many americans do as well. i think a lot of what consumes

the beltway crowd and the media is not on the day-to-day mind of voters. i think tonight, i've been paying attention, governor desantis is packed put out a scorching statement against donald trump. you had governor christie knew -- i think this may have actually motivated from the folks who want to challenge him to say, okay, this may be an opening for us, because he played to the base, he did not play to voters like me who generally supported most of his policies, but are sick of the noise, for six of the anti-democratic positions. this, to me, actually became an opening for a republican to take him on and say, if you want a lot of the policies, not and seen things like family separation, and you don't want chaos and anti-democratic positions. >> i'm trying to look at this from the point of view of what do democrats have to be worried about. you know, i think we all just had a visceral reaction to just the insanity that we saw. and just the offense he was giving to people who believe in reality. but there is a trick that i see that he is doing. he weaponizes nostalgia.

has a regional kind of make america great again was weaponizing nostalgia from the 1950s, which is hard for us to understand. but he's doing it again. it's a nostalgia for the trump presidency. he's telling the story of the trump presidency, how great it was, how wonderful it was, how inflation, the border, that sort of stuff. and it is projecting this future tense. we're in danger. if you love joe biden the way i do, that if he owns the past and the future, and biden is stuck with the president. and we're going to have to have a compelling narrative, i think. coming out of this, you're going to have a compelling narrative about the future that we want that can stand up to this kind of weaponizing of nostalgia from donald trump. >> everyone stay there. get much of what was seen and heard tonight is in the highs of the beholder. it'll be judged from voter to voter, and certainly is. that's why next for wanting to get reaction from republican and undeclared new hampshire primary voters who attended tonight's town hall, for the future presidential nominee.

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voters in the audience. one is gary tuchman, who's with them now. gary? >> anderson, eight people are with me. they were in the audience, but they also have something in common, none of them have voted in the past four either joe biden or hillary clinton. six them voted for donald trump in the past. one did not vote in the past two election. one was too young to vote. that's what they have in common. and most of them are trump supporters. what i want to ask you first of all is do you think, show of hands, anybody think donald trump looks better after this town hall? many of you think he looks worse? do you think the same thing about you as when you watch him? first thing i would ask about, donald trump, you have to be blunt about it, is not a truth teller. that's the way he's always been when he was a businessman, a politician. he has lied about the 2020 election, stuffed ballot boxes, it's all made up. he's lost dozens of court cases. does it bother you that he keeps talking about 2020 and not 2024? i will ask you first, this is jonathan leslie, 40, republican,

voted for trump twice, how do you feel about those lies? >> i think part of it is the media narrative, as you guys asked me the first question at the town hall about the 2020 election, rather than current stuff. >> don't you think he could say it's time to start talking 2024, it's not lies that aren't true? >> it could be, but you asked him a question about 2024, you could've done that. >> you're right, that was the first, and by that was something undermined, that's why was ask first. mike mclaughlin is 21. he is undeclared, which is what you do in new hampshire if you want to be an independent. he voted for trump in 2020. mike, same thing to you. what do you feel about trump continuing to talk about those miss truths from 2020? >> personally, i'm getting tired of hearing about it. i'm very much more so interested in the problems we face now. and i'd prefer to hear him discuss the present issues more so than going to the past. >> 65-year-old steven farnsworth, republican, voted for trump twice. you are opinion about that? >> i think he's committed to it. that's the way he feels. that's the way he thinks.

>> you think he thinks, that or do you think he's just, he keeps saying it to try to will it for people like you to believe? >> i think he actually thinks that. >> you do? you know he keeps losing courts over and over? >> he does say what's on his mind. >> the you think so? , that it was a rigged election? >> i will abstain. >> you will abstain. next person on the list, 64-year-old, you don't mind me seeing your age right, she's a republican, she did not vote in the past two presidential elections. how come you didn't vote, a, and b, what do you feel that the continuation these lies about 2020? >> i don't know what's ally anymore. but i think there needs to be a new narrative. >> and what's the new narrative? >> current situations that are involving all of us. >> current situations? but when you say you don't know what is a lie, a lie is a lie. these courts have said -- one of the stuff ballad things he's talking about was fulton county georgia. no stuffed ballots. i was there, i was watching

with my own eyes. none of it is true. and i think a lot of people try to will it be true. do you agree with that? >> yes. >> in that corner right there, that's nobody. he's 18, first election coming up, he's clearly undeclared, leaning republican. what do you feel about him still talk about 2020? >> i don't think anybody wants to hear about 2020 at this point. everybody wants to hear about 2024, the future, and what comes after that. and he did not talk enough about that tonight. >> alyssa malloy, alyssa is 37, registered republican, voted for trump twice. your thoughts about this? >> i think it is time to move on from the election, the 2020 election. >> did -- offend you? >> i think he truly believes it. >> you do as well? >> i think that's what he truly believes. i know a lot of his supporters believe it. not all of them, but there are a lot of people who do believe it. and he tries to, you know, go along with that. and i would agree that he wills it to be true. >> let me ask you -- let me ask 22-year-old cooper

walsh, undeclared, vote for trump in 2020. he and trump believes that? >> i think trump leave it. he's very passionate about. i also think he would be talking about it. but i think time for him to move on. he needs to talk about what he's going to accomplish in 2024. i also think the media should not focus a huge segment of the 2020 issue. we already know what he thinks about it. i think we should be talking more the other issues, questions from the audience. >> would it be helpful, karen olson, 56, undeclared, not registered republican or democrat, voted for trump twice, would be good if he just said i'm ready to move on, 2024, i'm going to stop lying, be honest about it, move on? wouldn't that help them? then the mood -- then the news media when asked about it. >> i would like him to move on. i would like him to stop talking about it. but it is his opinion. so, you have to attach that caveat. lie all the time, just keeps it going. so, it's just opinion. and he has a right to have. it >> all right, so she ousted a nine member jury finds donald

trump liable for sexual abuse. and he's continuing to mock e. jean carroll, this woman who was sexually abused, according to the story. he also says that that was great. this, not only is a jury of his peers, he's a new yorker. he may live in mar-a-lago, that mansion in florida, but he was born and raised in queens, new york, wanted it to make it big with his father in manhattan, he did, this was truly a jury of his peers. how do you figure he's still making fun of this woman? i'm going to ask you. >> it's uncomfortable, it's definitely uncomfortable. i just don't know what to think anymore. >> how do you feel about that? >> it makes me uncomfortable. i have not followed it too closely. so, i really, i agreed, i don't feel like i have a strong opinion. >> and how do you feel? this was a jury. these jurors were not told to say this. this is our system in the united states of america.

this is an amazing system. it's not a perfect system, but it is an amazing system, particularly compared to lots of other countries. they agreed on this. and here he is at this town hall today, i've never met her before, just making fun of her. how does that make you feel, as a woman? >> i did not really care. >> why did you not care? >> i don't know enough about the case. women can be victims of abuse, women can also make up stories. i mean, we see it all the time. i don't know. all the situations where people are coming out 20, 30 years later. >> one more question for you, mike pence, he said regarding january 6th that he doesn't think pence was in danger, he does not feel the need to apologize to him. does that offend any of you, that he's not willing to tell mike pence i'm sorry that you could've been hanged? anyone offended by that? >> sure. >> okay, you are. final question, are any new

willing to say ready to vote for donald trump 2024? >> i will. >> you are, one person. rest of you not ready? thank you all for joining us. we very much appreciate your time in this very important political state of new hampshire. anderson, back to you. >> i think actually me, vox populate, thank you so much. really appreciate. let's talk about what we just heard from the panel. panel? >> i think it's important to focus on what you heard from a lot of those voters in new hampshire, talking about it's the media, it's the media going back and asking these questions of donald trump. journalists wouldn't have to ask the most fundamental of questions of donald trump had he not continue to, during the end of 2020 octogenarian six 2021, right up till today said things that were not true, that were not proven with evidence.

we are evidence based, and there is no evidence to show that. so, when we, when kaitlan starts a town hall, which is a very fundamental democratic ideal, he's facing voters. the first thing you need to do before you can have a discussion within the confines of democracy is to ask the person who wants to have the job again of president if they feel comfortable with the basics of democracy, like free and fair elections and believing it. that's why the question was asked. he hasn't been asked a question in that way in this kind of forum for a very long time, because he is only talk to people who are, for the most part, not entirely, but for the most part people who feed the lies back to him. >> well, we should just note, the context of his lies, fox just had to pay 700 and $87

million to dominion voting systems because of all the lies that they told and they allowed to be told on their air. they have learned absolutely no lesson. one of the biggest liars as it gets during that period, kayleigh mcenany, former white house press secretary for trump, was given an opportunity to fill in for the 8 pm host, tucker carlson, no longer the 8 pm host. she is an election liar. it's part of the country's dna now that a sizable chunk of the country believe these lies and us are led to take actions that are anti-democracy. >> i think one thing i want to add as i also heard kind of the culmination of the last few years of undermining the idea of the facts, information, or evidence. someone sort of throwing up their hands and saying, i don't know what to believe anymore, this is really disturbing, really unfortunate, especially going into another election where people have raised concerns about artificial intelligence, the use of

deepfakes, bots, all kinds of ways you can manipulate the information infrastructure of an election using the ferry us means. and we have people who feel just so disappointed and i think the former president has done such a good job of undermining investigative branches, judicial branch, i know you say, guess what, if you are in a blue state, your dreams do not matter. it's very consistent, this kind of escalation towards sort of diminishing these institution. >> he declared war on the truth. and i'm not sure that he did not win. everyone, stay right there. coming up, we're going to speak to a declared candidate in the republican base for the white house, former arkansas governor asa hutchinson. what is you have to say about this evening? stay with us. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow.

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night running for head of the republican field, such as it is so far. also, so, far a candidate who has not yet been confronted on a debate stage by any. opponents unless, remember it is early. the election is more than 500 days away, and primaries are months and months away. we are joined now by one of donald trump's primary challengers, former arkansas governor asa hutchinson, who is in new hampshire tonight. governor hutchinson, what was your reaction to what we heard from donald trump? >> well, donald trump was certainly grilled tonight. and what was clear, he had a weak performance, and he's locked in the paths. he had a goal, i'm, sure to expand his base, to be able to prove that he can attract independents and suburban voters. he failed that test. he narrowed his basis support. he locked in the past. he did not address the issues of the future. whenever he was asked about the economy, he gave one brief

response on energy policy. it really did not address the broad range of needs that we have in our economy to get it going again. so, i think it was a poor performance. it was a weak performance. and again, he was locked in the past. >> he repeated his lies over and over and over that the 2020 election was rigged. obviously, this is all been adjudicated in election boards in courtrooms. he did not indicate any regret from january 6th, including's vice presidents life being threatened. he said he was inclined to pardon most of the rioters from that day. i guess the question i have is do you think that this is going to hurt him at all with the republican base? you are out there, you are talking to republican voters. i'm sure when you say that they want to hear about the, economy you are right. and yet, he is still so far ahead in the polls. >> well, he made a mistake by not pivoting away from that. question and moving on to the future. so, he got locked into the

debate about 2020 election, that it was all rate, his false dialogue on that. then he spent time on january 6th, those are very appropriate questions. but the debate should have moved way beyond that much quicker, because i talk to people, they might believe the last election was rigged, but they are ready to talk about the future as well. so, it's not foreclosing winning those votes, even though we might have a fundamental disagreement on what happened in 2020 election. that's an important factor member. these voters still care about who could lead our, country who's got the right position on supporting ukraine. who can actually solve the problems along our southern border. so, there was clearly a mistake by not moving more quickly to that. whenever you look at ukraine. , that's something that bothered me a great deal, because he basically talks

about himself being a great negotiator. well, he set the stage by saying we can and this in one day if i'm president. well, that gives away every negotiating leverage that he has, because he tells putin that you are going to win, you've got the leverage as we go into negotiation. it's a terrible mistake, it's a terrible position, not supporting ukraine, not to try and win for ukraine and that fight against russia. >> one of the most striking moments was when he mocked e. jean carroll, who just was victorious in court in her suit against him. he was found liable for sexually assaulting her and defaming her. he went into the school little comedy routine, if you can call that, calling our names, prompting last from the audience. just establishing bona fides, i believe, if memory serves, you are a house impeachment manager against than president bill clinton if i'm not mistaken, is that, right in the house

representatives. so, it's not as if you have different standards when it comes to a democratic president or republican president in questions of sexual impropriety or misbehavior. i know that you had praise for the jury, and take the issue seriously. what do you make of this all? >> well, it's just wrong to undermine our justice system. it's one of the hallmarks of our democracy that we have a strong rule of law, and that any person that is aggrieved can go into court and seek justice. you don't lock them because they sought justice, and in fact, the jury agreed to their position. that not only undermines the claim of the woman in this case, but it undermines our entire system of fairness in the jury system and how we arbitrate wrongdoing in our society. so, i'm troubled by it and a number of levels. it's wrong the position he's taken. and i think it's important for the leaders of our party to be clear on this issue that we do not sympathize with donald

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