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collins starts now. anderson, thanks so much. good evening, and thanks for joining me. about last night, the 70 minutes i spent on stage in new hampshire with former president donald trump was a major inflection point in the republican party's search for its nominee and potentially the starting line for america's next presidential race. it's important to remember that he is right now the gop front-runner, a race that he is running, as noted, while being criminally indicted, found civilly liable, and under investigation for everything from his handling of classified documents to his wiz empire. also notable the republican reaction on capitol hill today to someone who could easily once again become their party's nominee. >> are you worried the party's leading presidential candidate -- >> of course. that's why i don't intend to support him for the republican nomination. >> last night provided a clearer view of where trump stands on the key issues that america is

grappling with right now. on the economy, trump suggested the nation default if president biden doesn't commit to spending cuts. that's extraordinary not only because of what rump said about the ceiling when he was in office and because economists alike say defaulting could cause an economic catastrophe and put the u.s. into a recession. >> i disagree. he didn't do it either when he was president. >> no, it's not going to be good for american people to default. >> on democracy, trump refused to accept the results of the last election, notable given he is under active investigation for trying to overturn those results, and he refused to accept the result of the election he's running for right now. >> i think people saw last night what they would get with another term of donald trump as president, which is completely untethered to the truth. >> speaking of active investigations, trump also admitted he did ask officials in

georgia to find over 11,000 votes after initially denying that he had asked for them. on his handling of classified documents, he suggest he knowingly took those documents from the white house when he left washington and suggested it could be possible he showed them to others. when it came to january 6th he suggested he'd pardon rioters who attacked the capital and didn't rule out pardons for those convicted of seditious conspiracy or those who attacked cops. >> anybody who crossed into the capital under the circumstances that i witnessed firsthand, it's hard for me to have a positive predisposition towards them. >> reporter: on the jury position, found by nine people he is liable for sexual abuse and defamation, trump once again attacked the writer, e. jean carroll. her attorneys say they may sue him again because of those comments for defamation.

when it comes to ukraine, trump refused to say who we wants to win the war and also whether he considers putin a war criminal. >> where i differ with president trump is if we end this war and putin's still standing, he's unaccountable for the war crimes. >> putin is a war criminal. >> i think we have been very clear about the atrocities that russia and putin have presented to this world. >> of course he's a war criminal. yeah. of course ukraine should win. >> on abortion, i asked the former president five times if he would sign a national abortion ban if he's put back into office. he refused to answer. when it comes to the border, he suggested his harsh policy of separating families might return if he returns to the office. if they weren't praising or krit citizening the president, there were republicans who preferred

silence today. >> do you agree? >> whatever he says or doesn't say, i'm not going to weigh in on it. >> what about your walk and talks? >> i don't want to talk about your town hall meeting. that's all anybody wants to talk about. >> maybe most telling was how trump spent 70 minutes defending himself. focused on the current occupant of the oval office. even as trump's advisers urged him to look ahead instead of backwards. >> why should americans put you back in the white house? >> because we did fantastically. we got 12 million more votes than as we had in 2016. >> joins me tonight, david axelrod former chief adviser to president obama. also maggie haberman, senior political correspondent for "the new york times," jason osborn, former trump campaign advertiser, and van jones, cnn political comment tater and former obama administration official as well. thank you for being here.

jason, let's start with you and what you make of how republicans on capitol hill today were responding to that 70 minutes last night. >> i'm actually impressed that a number of them responded the way they did. first off, i thought you did a great job. you did the best job anybody could expect of anybody going up to donald trump. >> matador. >> by the way, he said that behind your back. >> while i was over there. >> to your point you made last night, it was a rerun. this was trump being trump as he's always been, and i'm disappointed that we didn't see something new, like just put everything that happened in 2020, the trial -- there's ways to deflect that and put it in the rear-view mirror, but tell us what we're going to do next. i'm prized we had republicans on the hill that were willing to at least address the issue. there were some that don't want to get involved in the noise. lisa murkowski who's from my home state.

i commend her for that. let the noise die down, make a statement later. >> van, what did you think? >> i appreciate you being the matador against the bull. anybody's had a conversation with donald trump knows it is a very hard thing to do, just even in normal life, let alone in front of millions of people. and i also thought it was a rerun, it was a repeat buck i thought also you put him in a position of what people were not before. before it was make america great again from the '50s, and that's preferable to people who feel today is a rough period. he's moved it up. make america great again, just two years ago. two years ago it was great, perfect, everything was wonderful. if he stay there is where he's praising his own past, and sticks biden with the present, that's dangerous. democrats, now that we have a chance to look at it, we can start getting ready, sue see how

he's going to move. shocking how careful he is, but you see the virus is mutating and we've got to be ready for it. >> maggie, what did you think? one of his arguments he's been making is maybe he won't parts pit in the republican primary debates because he is so far ahead in the polls. but he didn't spend a lot of time talking about biden or his record. >> i was very struck by that, and i want to echo everyone else. he tried repeatedly to get under your skin, and you didn't let him. reminder of the briefing room version we saw of you over the years. i think he was -- look, he went in there and i had been hearing and my colleagues had been hearing there's going to be a pivot toward biden. that's where the energy is going to be. he is essentially running as an encumbent, donald trump, and so there isn't really a republican field. he doesn't want to give out to his challengers. he can't stop defending himself or talking about himself, so

consequently he spent no time talking about joe biden. that will be a problem for him and is a problem for years, he wants to talk about himself and his past to van's point. i think his folks still feel good about the contrast that he can show or they think he can show with biden in terms of doing a format like that. i think they still think he is going to try to appear dominant or strong and he's going to try to draw a weakness contrast with biden. again, this primary's not over. we should not suggest that he's the nominee, but i think that's where they're going to be looking. what i also was struck by, he can not help himself on wanting to mix it up and wanting to be on stage. so yes, i understand he's been doing a lot of, i'm not going to debate. i think there's a really chance he skips one, maybe two. hard for me to imagine him seeing a bunch of republicans on stage talking about him and him saying, i'm going to sit this

one out. >> david, what's your sense of how republicans are responding to what you saw today? and also the fact that the white house immediately was like, you want four more years of this? they're fundraising off it. >> to van's point on your last point, a lot of americans don't share this halls-on view of what those years were like. those years were chaotic. they were exhausting. and the more you see of trump, as we saw him last night, the more it brings that back, so i think that's strategically was smart of them to do it. in terms of how the republicans reacted, i think just as a reality check, they reacted the way they did because as they have been for years, they're fearful of trump's base, which is the dominant force in republican politics today, and he is in fact a -- i think a fairly substantial front-runner in this race. there are a lot of republican who is share other views who wish that weren't so. but you heard it in that room. people said, well, it sounded

like a trump rally. it sounded like a trump rally because cnn assemble a representative group of republicans in new hampshire. he's at 50% in the polls in new hampshire. the governor of the state is at 11 in those same polls. he is in a dominant position. so what you saw for a lot of politicians who just didn't want to deal with it and didn't want to comment on it. some of them -- i hate to be manu raju, who must feel like, you know, he's carrying the plague or something, because every time people see him with a microphone, they duck into a door and slam the door shut. but they don't want to talk about it because they don't want to offend his base. one of the things his opponents are going to have to decide is are they going to continue to play that game? i saw tim scott running into one of those doors. are you going to continue to let him, you know, behave outragesly and have nothing to say about it? is that really a winning formula

if you're running for president? >> i would actually just -- i think there is some element of what you're saying, but i recall back in 2015, the same thing was going on. >> what do you mean? >> carson's campaign, everyone wanted to talk about what trump was doing. they would ask every single one of the 18 of us on the ballot at the time, and they would ask people on the hill, what do you think about trump? at the time the stock answer was, there's no way this guy's going to be president. we cannot put up with this. let's talk about serious issues. so i think to some extent, some of these members -- you showed a sample clipping of some of the members they talked to. i don't know how many he talked to overall. there's some element of, we've got serious business we have to deal with right now. that's the last thing i want the talk about. >> the problem is, it's the last thing they want to be talk about in large measure because there's nothing great to say. what i was very struck by today, two things. the volume of headlines you just

showed speaks to how much news came out of this town hall, and i think it was important for people to hear where he is on positions as opposed to the small groups of reporters who are on the plane with him or the occasional news max interview he does or what have you. number two, i was struck by the people who didn't want to say anything, who had been more vocal in recent months, who had been speaking out about trump but didn't today and didn't last night, because i do think that's strength in his primary. they see him heading in a straight direction. >> i think it's a wakeup call. people have been very critical of cnn. how can you platform this? how can you do this? this thing is happening. donald trump is back and he is real. now, the fact that the mainstream media has not paid attention to have trying to ignore it doesn't mean it's not true. i think now people are aware that this thing is back, it's real, and we've got to be very smart how we deal with it. >> in 2015, 2016, people didn't

respond, didn't think it was serious. the guy became president of the united states, so i think what we saw last night was some of the -- you know, look, i'm not endorsing his behavior, and certainly i'm not endorsing the lying and all of that stuff. but just clinically speaking, his performance skills are pretty substantial, and he knows his base and he knows how to tick it will funny bone of his base, and he's made himself a martyr incredibly through, you know -- now i'm beginning to think that, you know, rather than bricks on a load that will slow his wagon down, these indictments are going to serve as kind of proof that he is somehow being victimized by the deep state who are trying to stop him from winning. >> and on that front, one thing to note is we -- seeing some of the audience members, they're republicans or -- voting in the

new hampshire primary. they're undeclared voters there. they aren't wearing maga hats. wasn't that kind of crowd. there were republicans laughing when he made republican of e. jean carroll. there were certainly people who felt uncomfortable with that. but what he said on e. jean carroll, and her attorneys saying, maybe we'll sigh him again for defamation. also the documents, do you think he opened himself up to more legal exposure? >> i did a certain double take in the newsroom when you asked him that question and he answered the way he did. that was a very specific moment of the town hall. the second half, you were both standing. his entire body language changed. it's not a topic he likes talking about. as you know, sit a topic he's very worried about, as you know, and he walked himself into trouble. he said, i took them. i'm allowed to. he's done slight variations of that before.

le most definitively, held not rule out he showed them to people. >> not really. >> not as i recall. very legal answer. investigators have been asking multiple witnesses questions about whether he showed them things. >> exactly, not really is not -- he may have been told to say i don't recall, but not really is not like i don't recall. his political advisers focused on nailing this political nomination down were happy with what happened, and his lawyers appalled. >> i agree, his political advisers felt pretty good about. that but no, i thought that was an area of trouble. i also think he walked himself into problematic comment, and he was clearly enjoying it mocking e. jean carroll. going back to why it is important for people to hear where voters are, that evoked laughter. everyone was surprised the

"access hollywood" tape, which is related to this case -- >> defended. >> he defended it in the deposition in this case. people were surprised at the time. i remember republicans, paul ryan, kelly ayotte, standing up and getting booed because they were critical of him. this is still there. it's a growing strain, and it's important for people to understand it. >> one of his attorneys was there on the plane with him. stand by, everyone. thank you so much for that. we're going to turn to the border now, because right now agents are working to maintain order on the night a policy allowing them to quickly expel mig migrants is expiring. we're live on the southern border as title 42 expires after being in place for three years next. ghten that. (fabric ripping) ooh. - wait, wh- wh- what was thaha? - huh? what,t, that? no, don't worry about thatat. here we go. - asking the right q question can greatly impact your future.. - are, are you qualified to do this?

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policy that allowed border patrol agents to quickly expel maigs from the u.s. on health grounds. but tonight, alejandro mayorkas is saying the consequences for crossing are going to be everyone greater. >> if anyone arrives at our southern border after midnight tonight, they will be presumed ineligible for asylum and subject to steeper consequences for unlawful entry. i want to be very clear -- our borders are not open. >> that warning coming today as we have live coverage for you on both side of the u.s. border. we're going start with ed lavandera who's live in el paso, texas. what are you seeing tonight as officials are bracing for this not just on the mexico side of the border but also the u.s. side? >> as you alluded to, there has been a steady stream of migrants coming to the u.s. border in the hours ahead of the end of tittle

42. here in el paso they have been processed by border patrol agents and have permits to into into the united states. the question is, how long will they be able to be here in the united states? they'll be going through the asylum process. not everyone is granted that. this is a dramatically different scene. we're seeing it here outside one of these shelters. a few days ago this area was packed with hundreds and hundreds of people. dhs warning them if they did not have the proper paper work they would be expelled and rounded up from here, and that has really reduced the numbers you're seeing on the street. but up and down the u.s. southern border you're seeing u.s. cities bracing for what is coming here. the head of the border patrol, the border patrol chief is saying he doesn't think we're going to see these vast numbers of 15,000 to 18,000 people being apprehended every day that was anticipated. right now, the number at 10,000,

which is extraordinarily high, but saying perhaps they're not going to get to the peak numbers they were at anticipating. >> notable that those expectations have changed. ed, keep us updated on that. david you're live on the other side of the border. what are you seeing there on the ground? >> to ed's point, we're starting to see the numbers go down behind me. probably best to see it from above. let me show you from our drone. we can take you crass the rio grande. that's the demarker between the u.s. and mexico. as we then take you to look into mexico from the u.s., looking at mexico, you're looking at a group of families, mostly. these are families who have been divided by texas national guard and cbp, and they're put into groups and processing rather quickly. you can look a little further down the border wall, notice another group, and that's mostly single men, and they have been kept there as the families have been processed. what's not clear yet, kaitlan, if they're going to then after

they process the families, start processing the single men or put them on buss and bring them back over to the mexico side, which we've seen in recent months. they've done that where they've drove them across the boarder and released them here, and mexico is in agreement to accommodate those expulsions. once title 42 is lifted, title 8 kicks in, and that means those who are not qualifying for asylum face pretty serious consequences. they could be barred from the u.s. for five years. >> keep us updated. we'll continue to check in with you. the reality of many of these people, despite what they have been told, is get into the u.s. is likely going to be tougher with the expiration of tatele 42. the biden administration already increased expedited removal, where people are exported before they get to see a judge. numbers still lag behind the

pace set by president obama and trump. biden's ban makes it harder to be granted asylum in the united states. for example, anyone who doesn't make an appointment will be presumed ineligible, and migrants will have to -- unlike the trump policy which carried no additional consequences for repeated attempts, biden's rules include a five-year ban for anyone caught crossing the border, sneaking across the border. we're joined by the former deputy of homeland security under president trump. thanks for joining us. i know you disagree with how the biden administration is handling this, but i think it raises the question of if you were still running dhs how you would have been preparing for this. >> well, i have been preparing for over two years now, so when i hear phrases like, it's going to be a chaotic scene, it doesn't need to be that way. i think there's a number of

things you can do from a policy standpoint to drive some deterrents and consequence into this system so that you don't have 200,000 folks trying to cross the border illegally. you got to shift them to ports of entry, into legal pathways. so over the course of two years that just hasn't been occurring. we haven't imposed the consequences and haven't put the policies in place to help drive those individuals into those legal pathways. so we know that the asylum system's being abused. dhs says this. other folks say this but we haven't done anything about it. there's a number of things that could be occurring today to drive this crisis and to really reduce it to something that's more orderly at the border. it's just not happening, unfortunately. >> we've seen these new asylum rules from the biden administration. essentially they severely limit those who can claim asylum if they don't seek protection by a country they pass through or by applying online, but we've heard

from legal experts they believe it could face challenges. do you believe it will face challenges? >> certainly could. the trump administration, we had a similar rule, but not the same rule. a similar rule that was challenged in court. the biden administration at the beginning of their term decided not to defend that in court. had they we would have had two years of a rule like this in effect that, again, would have helped lesson this crisis. i think the difference between the biden administration's rules, the number of exceptions in loopholes. it doesn't apply to children, doesn't apply to families. if you can't access the cvp 1 app it exempts you from the rule. there are so many loopholes. the more loopholes, more exceptions you do to these type rules, the more people take advantage of the rules. the cartels will understand this and start to coach people to take advantage of them. so we'll see if the rule is actually successful.

only time will tell. i certainly have doubts about it given what i've read about it in my experience. >> there have been issues with the app. migrants have limited access to internet. i want to ask you about something your former president said to my boss last night. we talked about what his immigration policy would be like if he was put back in office in 2024. he didn't rule out reinstating the zero tolerance immigration policy that separated families who crossed the border. do you believe that he should have ruled something like that out? >> i'm going to let president trump speak for himself of course, but the idea, again, with zero tolerance was holding people accountable for breaking the law. we actually hear the biden administration talking in those terms today. what is that deterrence and consequence for individuals breaking the law? that's what's not occurring on the border today. that's why you continue to see repeat offenders. you see individuals returned

under title 42 only to come back three or four days later because there's no consequence. i think that's what we've got to get back into the system. once individuals start to understand, if you cross the border illegally, you're going to be detained and removed back to your home country if you don't qualify for asylum. and as soon as focus understand that, that's when you see the numbers drop and you see a lot more order come out of this chaos. >> but chad, it was an incredibly inhumane policy. it separated children from their parents. isn't there a way to enforce the laws without separating kids from their parents? >> i think there's a number of ways to enforce the law. you got to remember, over the last two years in this administration, over 365,000 children have come across that border without parents, without supervision, without any guardians. these families have decided to separate themselves before they even cross this border because of the policies of this administration. so we can talk about that, but

i'm ready to focus on how do we secure the border, how do we hold people accountable while still giving those protections to those that truly need it and actually qualify, which is a very small percentage. i think that's the system we need to get to. we're not there yet, and i don't see us getting there under this administration with these policies over the last two years. >> well on that note, some parents still separated from their children, unable to find them. title 42 is set to expire. we'll watch how it's handled at the border. >> thank you. also tonight, he could potentially face charges in georgia, so last night i pressed former president trump about that phone call that is at the heart of the election interference probe. >> if this call was bad, i question the election -- >> you asked them to find me votes. >> i didn't ask them to find anything. >> we heard the audio tape, mr. president. >> when we come back, the man on the other end that have infamous

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if this call was bad, i question the election. >> we heard the audio. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes. which is one more than we have, because we won the state.

>> the vote you just saw was former president trump last night denying asking georgia's republican secretary of state brad rachb sperger to find him votes from conceding he did ask him to find him votes. the audio you heard was president trump in 2021 directory asking raffensperger to find him those votes. joining us now, georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. thank you so much, mr. secretary for joining us tonight. what was your reaction when you heard those comments last night? >> well, president trump said -- we did hang up on the phone call. you have to understand, i have been taught and i believe in respecting people's positional authority no matter what that level, what office they hold. but he held the office of president of the united states of america and that office deserves respect. >> that's why you didn't hang up. what he was essentially

suggesting is you and your attorneys on the call, which was recorded, thought something was wrong you would hang up in the moment, but you're saying you didn't because it was the president of the united states on the line. >> i wouldn't hang up on a governor, senator, congre congressperson. i just respect people's positional authority. i think that's one of the things we have going on in america right now. we've lost respect in the offices that people hold, and i think that we should have respectful conversations at all times. >> when he said he was just calling to question the results of the election, initially claiming he wasn't asking to you find him anything, that's obviously not true. we've all heard the call. >> well, i gave him all the facts. he said in the call that there's 5,000 dead people that were alleged to have voted. the suit said 315, and i told him there were two and we found two more. they said there were underage voter, 66,000, there were zero.

felons, les than four. 24,000 nonregistered voters. there was actually less than zero. what's interesting is i didn't realize until recently but it was reported in the newspaper, he paid berkeley research group for them to look into this and had the report the day before he called. a few weeks ago we learn head paid sim pat koe $750,000 and they also came back and said there was not sufficient amount of fraud to overturn the race. he had the facts and then he called. >> report from the "washington post." he had the facts and called you. you explain the him again the numbers. do you believe he was strong arming you to use your office to get him votes he did not earn from voters? >> i knew we did not have the votes. we which he could out everything. every allegation. he hand picked bobby christine,

his judge, to count the ballots that went on on election night. bobby christine did not find fraud there and then reported that back to the president. so every time there was an allegation, we did our checking so we could report back to the voters. we report, i report back to the voters. i want all the voters to understand we're going to have a fair and honest election, and that's my job to make sure they have confidence in the results. >> what do you make of him saying he would make that same call today, despite the fact that the d.a. there has said charges could come this summer? >> well, if he did, he'd get the same answer. in fact now we have more data points that just show that president trump did come up short. see, what happened in georgia -- and i think it may have happened in other states. but in georgia we know 24,000 voters skipped the presidential race. they didn't vote for any of the

three candidates for president, yet they voted down ballot in the other races. that's why president trump came up short. what you saw is our republican congressman got 33,000 more votes collectively than president trump. >> you have been clear that you obviously follow the numbers there. you say, i am a republican. event noted before that you would have wanted a republican to win that election. does it hurt republicans to have someone who is right now the gop front-runner that is still denying the results of the election, including in your state? >> i think that when people run for office they should be looking forward, because that's where we're going to spend our too much time. that's what people are looking at. what's going to happen next week, next year, what's your plans for the future? when people run campaigns it should be looking to the future, not just looking back and talk about stolen election claims, which have been disproven. >> brad raffensperger.

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a sitting u.s. senator and his office are trying to do some cleanup after he seemed to take up the case of the cause of white nationalists being able to serve in the military. this was alabama republican senator tommy tuberville in a radio interview he did last week. >> democrats are attacking our military, saying we need to get out the white nationalists, the wh white extremists, people that don't believe in our agenda, the joe biden agenda. >> you mentioned the administration trying to keep white nationalists in the military. do you believe they should allow white nationalists in the

military? >> well, they call them that. i call them american. >> his office then tried to explain that comment and released a statement saying, quote, senator tuberville's quote shows he was being skeptical of the notion that there were white nationalists in the military, no that he believes they should be in the military. senator tuberville spoke off camera to cnn today saying, quote, here's the problem, democrats portray all maga republicans at white nationalists. that's not true. we have a lot of great people in the military that are magas. that was what i was talking about. jason and van back with me tonight. >> look, it was clear what he was saying, and it's hard to walk that back. michael jackson couldn't moon walk that one back. there is a terrorist threat in our country. it is violent, it is killing people, it is corrupting the minds of young people, it is massive. the fbi is terrified and he's downplaying it.

it should not be in our military, and he knows that. now, for him to ignore a terrorist threat in our country that's participating in our military to try to force some anti-woke points, if that's what he was doing, it's wrong to do that, but i'm not sure that's what he was doing. we've got to have a must have more serious and sober threat about this in the country. it's not wokism. it's a terrorist movement that's shooting people down in malls and synagogues and churches, and it should be talked about in those terms always. >> there are a lot of conservative service members. that's a separate thing here. when he's trying to say there's democrats painting them all at white nationalists. but there is a white nationalist problem in the military, and it's the military that talks about that. >> as a bama grad i don't pretend to know aub speak, but i am going to give coach tuberville a pass on this one and say i don't think he was -- i truly don't believe he was

referring to white nationalists are americans. i think he would freely admit that white nationalism is a problem and it's despicable just like many of us do. i question why we have to use the term maga republicans. can't we just be republicans or conservatives? but i do think that there is -- there is data out there that even with department of defense has investigated this issue. and said that there is a small -- very small problem. i think it's like .05% according to the d.o.d.'s own data on this. regardless, it's a problem. it's a problem that there is any white nationalism out there just as there is, you know, anti-american behavior, just as there is in many other areas, right? but i don't think tuberville should bear the brunt of the criticism and say what he was levering to in this case that white nationalists are americans? because i think if you read the first part of it it's like, that's what they call them. he could have used his words a lot better and --

>> van, you're laughing. >> it's a kind way of saying -- >> this would be more compelling if this was the first time that the coach had fumbled the ball, but he has a history of doing this. >> his comment about -- >> around race, yes. so i just want to echo what's been said around this table. we have a problem with white extremism, violent extremism in this country. some of it was reflected on january 6th, and some of the participants in that, you talk to people in the military, talk to people who work in the veterans' community, and there is a problem with radicalization among those groups. it's not about conservatism. >> at all. >> people can have the views they have, and that's right and proper and we should defend that, but there is a problem, and it's dangerous, and the fbi director has spoken about this, the department of homeland

security has spoken about this. this is a problem. and if you're a serious person a in a high position in the united states government, you have a responsibility to be serious about this. >> first-term u.s. senator, he is in that serious position. also comes as he's holding up military nominations. it's 196, even something the republican leader in the senate mitch mcconnell has criticized. he's holding them up ambassador he doesn't like pentagon policy where they would pay for or have service leaders on leave if they're in a state they can't get an abortion. while making comments concern about mill rare recruitment. >> i saw a samt statement from schumer today about the statement you made yesterday and whether i agree with him or not, he is saying the u.s. government should not be paying paid leave and travel expenses for somebody

to get a procedure that quite frankly i thought they had taken care of that's not allowed. >> what i would say, to jeopardize the security of the entire country, there are other ways to exercise your views on those issues. he's holding hostage the ability of the president of the united states to be the commander in chief over this issue. and it goes to his judgment, which i think was found lacking again yesterday. >> i do think -- look, i get it. >> these positions are important. it is the commander in chief of the army, the nsa director, cyber commando over. >> yes, he's holding up nominations. all these people have acting in front of their name. they're all sitting there in that position. it's not as dire as people are saying it is. that's why he is saying, you'll ever to play ball with me a little bit on this. >> do you know who disagrees with you. the leaders of the military who think this is a hindrance to

them. so i take their word for it. what is pretty clear to me is that he's trying to put alabama, they have a very strict law relative to abortion. he is signifying for his base. but he is doing it at the expense of national security, and that is wrong. >> david axelrod, van jones, thank you all for being here for an exciting conversation. up next, the one takeaway from last night's town hall that would impact every single american. back in a moment. (whistles) yeek. not cryin', are ya? let's tighten that. (fabric ripping) ooh. - wait, wh- wh- what was that? - huh? what, that? no, don't worry about that. here we go. - asking the right question can greatly impact your future. - are, are you qualified to do this? - what? - especially when it comes to your finances. - yeehaw! - do you have a question? - are you a certified financial planner™? - yes. i'm a cfp® professional. - cfp® professionals are committed to acting in your best interest. that's why it's gotta be a cfp®.

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