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that allowed the u.s. to expel migrants and two texas counties issued disaster declarations in preparation. today, however, there's no evidencef a rush at least not an immediate one. this video from the u.s.-mexico border is probably the besteds of that. on the left you saw the it was yesterday with migrants camped outside it, on the right the border as it was today. there's a lot of theories where those people went. we'll get to that in a moment. a source tells cnn according to a count by border patrol around 2,300 migrants were in custody this afternoon. that's slightly lower than earlier this week. nevertheless the administration is still preparing for more migrants seeking asylum. i.c.e. is adding 5,000 detention beds. there's also political chaos and the biden administration saying it's trying to sabotage its effort on the border after a

federal judge's ruling in florida. >> reporter: after title 42 ended late thursday night some migrants discovered they didn't make it in time. this father and son from venezuela were turned away, but he says the goal is to get to the other side to find a way to teach the united states, but we'll have to wait and figure it out. >> we've been very, very clear that there are lawful, safe, and orderly pathways to seek relief in the united states. and if one arrives at our southern border one is going to face tougher consequences. >> reporter: in the days leading up to last night's deadline border officials saw a surge of migrants. more than 23,000 are now in cbp custody down slightly from earlier this week. but the end of title 42 did not trigger the historic wave of migrants rushing to cross the border friday that was predicted. in el paso thousands were waiting to be processed outside

a border gate. >> we're doing this as quickly and efficiently and safely a the city's mayor. >> after yesterday's spike about 1,800 that came in yesterday, we've not seen any additional big numbers come in through the el paso sector. >> reporter: john martin runs a network of shelters in el paso and says the crowds have drama dramatically dwindled in recent days. >> as of 1:00 this morning we had no new arrivals. >> reporter: while he was surprised at the lack of influx the morning after title 42 lifted he doesn't expect it'll stay this way. >> we can't let our guard down because we still know it's coming. >> reporter: in january u.s. customs and border protection opened this massive tent processing facility in the el paso area about 20 miles from the u.s.-mexico border.

it's designed to be able to hold about 1,000 migrants at a time, and as you can see construction crews are working to ecpand. we're told by cbp officials in june they'll have room for another 1,000 migrants to hold at this facility. in brownsville dozens of buses line up near an intake facility, but a major humanitarian group in the area tells cnn they only had one bus of migrants arrive today. about 155,000 migrants were estimated to be in shelters and on streets in mexico waiting to enter the u.s., a source familiar with federal estimates said. migrants will still risk their lives to make it to the u.s., and from now on people who cross the border illegally will face a tougher path to requesting asylum. many will be deported like this group who were shackled and led onto a repatriation flight like this one leaving for guatemala on thursday. >> ed lavandera joins us now. you mentioned there were thousands of migrants waiting to

be processed outside el paso. today that number dropped down to a hundred. what happened to those people? were they processed? what went on? >> reporter: yeah, they're brought into the u.s., processed by border patrol and then released if they get the proper documentation. they could also be decan ported, it depends on the individual cases. anderson, to give you a sense how things have changed here dramatically this is an alley way behind a migrant shelter in el paso in the days leading up to the end of title 42 was packed with people sleeping outside. you can see how dramatic this has changed. and in speaking to several migrant advocates they believe what's happening on the southern side of the border tens of thousands of migrants are reassessing the border landscape and trying to figure out when the best opportunity might be to cross into the u.s. >> joined now by the mayor of el paso, texas. mayor, appreciate you joining us. we just heard the comments you made earlier in that reporting from ed lavandera. how is the situation now in el

paso? what are your people seeing on the ground? >> you know, it hadn't changed any when i was talking about it this morning. they were all processed by 2, 300 which were processed by early this morning. and i was just down there where ed was talking about a few minutes ago and the numbers were way down. on monday we saw about 3,000 people there and border patrol with the assistance from a lot of agencies went in and handed out handouts to help them get registered and processed so they could go into a processing center to be able to go onto whether it's shelters, immigration centers, or anything like that. but the numbers have changed. and i was in waters a week ago and they told me there was 10 to 12,000 ready to cross at any moment. i quent into their shelters and there was 20 people in there. i went in two days ago to see what to expect. we've bip trying to prepare for months for the unknown, and i

went over there and talked to the officials there were 3,000. they told me and ready to come across was maybe 5,000. we've been prepared and worked for this, and we thank all agencies together to be able to have done this in a very orderly way and humane way. and that's the important part, that we want to treat people the way you want to be treated and make sure our asylum seekers and also the community of el paso continues to be safe. >> do you -- and mean i know you have been one of the mayors who have been busing people to cities like new york and elsewhere unlike some you've actually been coordinating with those cities you send those buses to as far as i understand -- do you expect to do more of that? is there a need for that now? >> we'll continue to help our asylum seekers go to their destination, and that was something we did back then. i was very thankful for mayors adams who came down and kind of looked at our process and how we were doing because he wanted to

know why people wanted to go to new york. and he asked them how many wanted to go to work and probably 50 or so around there and they raised their hand. and why do you want it go to new york, because we've seen it on tv. they want to make their lives better for themselves and families. and they feel they have a better opportunity to raise their family and provide a better way of life for them. >> so are you seeing the surge that everyone expected, or did it -- has it -- were the numbers big last week? were you expecting different numbers today? >> you know, that's why i keep saying we want to prepare for the unknown, and we still have not seen the numbers we expected. you're right, we expected a lot more numbers to be coming in, you know, today. but then a few days prior to when when i went into mexico and i assessed it myself and talked to officials in mexico i knew the numbers were not going to be the way we looked at it. and the largest amount was 1,800 that came in through gate 42.

they were processed, and i think ed kind of said it best, they'll processed and go to an opportunity house, go to some of the city shelters. we've opened two schools that have been vacated by the school district, and we've been able to make them temporary shelters so we can help people. >> so, as the mayor of -- i mean how big a burden is this for you? this must take up as the mayor of a major city, this must take up a good bulk of your time. >> you know, but we are a border community and we do have responsibilities. i know and everyone knows these people aren't coming to el paso, texas. they're coming to the united states. and secretary mayorkas and the federal government really have helped us to be able to provide a service, but we all know that the immigration process is broken. and we understand that. and we're hoping, you know, that congress learns to they need to agree to disagree and compromise because there is no end game.

in communities like el paso and the southern border we can't continue for infinity. something has to happen because we'll continue to provide a humane process for our asylum seekers. but, again, something has to change it be able to do the job of the federal government. >> mayor, i appreciate your time. thank you. still to come tonight, the former president and the florida governor who might become his chief republican rival for the white house, ron desantis, descends upon iowa tomorrow. the first of the nation's caucuses are just months away. speak about the mood of republican voters in her state, and later my conversation with the family attorneys for jordan neely after manhattan prosecutors today charge the man for choking neely to death on a new york subway train. there are some things that go better... together. like your workplace benefits... and retirement savings. with voya,

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how do you see them appealing to republicans this weekend? >> i think you're going to see some different events. they more or less know what they're going to get from him, so he's holding a big rally here in des moines, and i think you're going to see what you see at a lot of these events, really enthusiastic supporters, his real core base of supporters. so i think you're going to see his team working hard making sure his team is ready to vote, making sure they're signed up to volunteer with the campaign, make sure they're engaged with this process. on the other end you've got ron desantis only been in the state once before. he's holding events in soux center and cedar rapids and really contrast with the president and paint a picture he's worth, you know, the hype. >> i know one of the core issues you expect them to vote on is

abortion. the president was asked if he'd be in favor of a federal abortion ban the other night and never gave an answer. governor desantis clearly is making a play for them. >> yeah, abortion is a really important issue for iowa republicans as it is for many republicans across the country. but you've got a real range of folks, right? the evangelical base as you mentioned is a real religious group. they really want to see a national federal ban on abortion. they want to see this go as far as they can towards protecting life. and so, you know, they're looking at donald trump with a bit of a complicated lens, right. he created the pathway, you know, for roe v. wade to be overturned, but after the mid-term elections he turned around and blamed republicans' focus on abortion for losing some of those fights. in that vein i think republicans are a little bit skeptical, but they also look at him being the most pro-life president in history. so they've got a mixed bag with

donald trump, but you've also got people who really just want to win the election. they want to beat joe biden, and so they worry, again, that this issue has gone too far to the right, that they may not be able to sell that in a general election against joe biden. >> the former president won the state in the last two general election. he actually lost the 2016 republican iowa caucuses to ted cruz. clearly the state has an independent streak. do you see governor desantis having a chance? >> yeah, you know, i think, you know, you look at the base here in iowa right now, and there's a core group of people really solidly locked into donald trump, but a lot of others are really looking for other options, and so, you know, one influential evangelical leader put it to me this past week saying there's a door that's open, so it's kind of up to a ron desantis and nikki haley and tim scott to seal the deal, to come in and show they can create a viable alternative to donald trump. you know, if we get to january

and nobody has proven that they can put together a compelling message, a good operation, you know, they may go back to the former president, but i think there's an opening, and we hear that on the ground a lot as reporters here in iowa. people want someone who's going to look forward, who's not going to relitigate, you know, issues of the past. and so i think they're going to be looking at ron desantis really losely this week especially as he appears to be getting ready to launch a formal campaign. >> appreciate it. thank you. one of the major issues we just talked about confronting republican leaders add all levels of abortion laws in the wake of the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade, certainly had a dramatic impact on the lives of women and the choices they made. and also put doctors in states where they've mostly been banned in a legally precarious position. randi kaye has more. >> reporter: dr. miller specializes in high risk pregnancies and been performing

abortions here in idaho for the last five years, but things are different now the state has pass adnear total abortion ban. what's your greatest fear? >> being tried as a felon simply interest saving someone's life. >> reporter: last august idaho made abortion illegal with two exceptions. an abortion can still be performed if a mother's life is in danger and the cases of rape or incest report today a law enforcement agency, but dr. miller says the law is still somewhat murky. >> i have a death exception and that is it without any other guidelines. if i don't act fast enough to prevent you from getting septic i could be liable for civil cases, but i act too quickly and i'm not clear the patient could die from the injuries she's sustaining. >> reporter: complicating matters even more the new law allows family members to sue providers who perform an abortion for at least $20,000 if

it doesn't fall within the scope of the abortion ban here. doctors in those cases also face suspension of their medical license, felony charges, even prison time. how does that square with what your medical training has taught you about treating women? >> that's a huge part of why i'm leaving. it is true moral injury, right? i cannot provide the care i've been trained to. it goes against what we're taught as physicians to protect the health of our patients. >> reporter: idaho's governor also signed a law that says anyone helping a minor travel out-of-state to terminate a pregnancy without parental consent is guilty of a crime. dr. miller has decided to move her practice to colorado where abortion is still legal, and she's not the only one leaving. of the 117 doctors she informally surveyed in idaho 75 answered yes or maybe when asked if they were considering leaving at least in part because of the state's abortion laws. dr. kylie cooper who worked alongside dr. miller has already

left idaho and is now working in minnesota where abortion is legal. >> he decided to leave idaho because of the abortion ban bans. it was a really difficult decision. my husband and i had many conversations about what would it actually look like if i were charged with a felony and then went to prison. >> reporter: dr. cooper says she feels much safer after leaving idaho. >> having to watch somebody get sicker in front of your eyes and not be able to help them is just hard to even comprehend. that's not the way that i was trained to practice medicine. no one is. we don't let people get so sick when we have all of the means and the tools to be able to help them. >> reporter: back in idaho dr. miller says of the nine full-time maternal fetal physicians in the state five of them would have left by the end

of this year. keep in mind, these are the doctors who deal with the most significant pregnancy complications. jim sousa is the chief physician executive at st. luke's hospital. >> we're at the beginning of the collapse of an entire system of care. if the momentum doesn't shift and we continue to pull planks out of the jenga tower of this system of care, there's no question that there will be bad perinatal outcomes for moms and babies. >> reporter: and anderson, i spoke with idaho representative brent crane, he was key to the negotiations in getting this new law passed. and he told me this is still a work in progress. this is not a silver bullet piece of legislation as he put it, so still much more work to do. but, anderson, beyond these new abortion restrictions, this summer the idaho legislature is going to put an end to what's called the maternal mortality review committee. that committee tracks pregnancy

deaths, so if the mortality rate and death rate goes up as a result of women not being able to get access to safe abortion care, those numbers will no longer be made public, anderson, because that committee will no longer be in existence. >> why -- what's the reason they say they're doing that? >> reporter: they haven't given us a reason. i asked that representative about it, and he could not answer that question. i said isn't it critical, and of course it's very critical to tracking the deaths and mortality rate. and dr. miller who's in our story she's very concerned the mortality rate is going to go up. but, again, we asked and we did not get a reason as to why this committee is going to be disbanded. a new york marine veteran surrenders. i'm going to talk with attorneys from neely's family about what they think of today's court proceedings. also tonight a mom who prosecutors say was motivated by

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today here in new york city u.s. marine veteran daniel penny walked out of a police precinct in handcuffs to face arraignment for the choke hold death of jordan neely, a homeless street performer. penny's says his client risked his own life and safety and says, quote, he has his held held up high, but he faces second degree manslaughter charges. just last week he was recorded holding mr. neely in a choke hold in a subway car. neely was pronounced dead at a hospital. witnesses say mr. neely got on the subway, shouted he was hungry, thirsty and had little to live for. one witness says he didn't attack anyone. his death has led to proest its here in the new york and brought attention to the national issue of homelessness. neely's family says he had mental health problems. first of all, how is the family of mr. neely doing? >> not good. they lost a loved one.

and the worst part about it is they're looked at as bad people because of the situation jordan neely was in. the problem is these are forgotten people in america. it's people that are dealing with mental illness. and there's an assumption if you have mental illness, if you're houseless, that there's something wrong with you and that you're a bad person. >> what is the family's reaction to -- to daniel penny being charged? >> well, i immediately called andre zachary who's jordan's father as soon as i got a call from the d.a.'s office. i wanted to hear from himself the words that daniel penny was being charged. i also contacted carolyn who's jordan's aunt. i wanted her to hear. it was important for them -- the first thing i heard was hallelujah. i heard shouts of joy, and i heard relief. however, they all said this is just one step. you know, i was talking with

onandre zachary and he said it wasn't right, number one, that nothing was being done. the pain was evident in his voice. we spent about 30 to 40 minutes trying to convince the d.a. on tuesday that it was unsatisfactory for them to tell us that they had no time line for when they were going to do this arrest. we tried to explain to them there was enough evidence already, and i asked the d.a. point-blank i said you've been doing this for 25 years, have you ever heard of a case, have you ever had a situation where there is both victim and the killer and a video and someone goes in and they admit that they killed this person and they get to be questioned and leave. and he couldn't identify any situation like that. >> what do you want to see happen next? there'll be a grand jury. mr. penny will have the opportunity if he wants to actually testify before the grand jury. he very well would be in his legal rights not to do that because anything he could say

could be used against him in a trial. do you think he'll testify? >> number one, i doubt he'll testify. his attorneys will probably save that if they at all have him get on the stand if the trial happen. but we would like to see this man convicted for killing jordan neely. there's no way around it. when you look at the degree of force that he used here -- and, you know, people talk about they're afraid and i understand that. we ride the subway, we walk -- it's not limited to the subways. you're walking the streets at night, wherever you may be there's always an element of fear depending on the circumstance, but it's objective and it's subjective. you have to look at was it reasonable here for daniel penny to decide he was in such great fear that he needed to kill, to extinguish, to forever erase jordan neely. >> to you are there questions about was it wrong initially for mr. penny to get involved, and

then it seems there's also the question of the length of time -- there's the action of putting somebody into a choke hold, that's one thing. there's also the action of holding onto that person seemingly in a choke hold for an extended length of time. >> there are two components to this. first is did he have the right to act to begin with. and what we had to look at is how reasonable was it? what was he responding to. when a lot of us think of self-defense it's built in, you're defending yourself from something. that means you're not first to act. jordan neely never touched him, he never hit him, he never lunged in his direction. in fact, daniel penny came from behind him and put him in a choke hold, so is that reasonable? and then you look at the amount of time he held that choke hold, some think 15 minutes, anywhere from 6 to 15 min, the question is what did he think would happen if you choke someone for that long? you had to know it would end in death. >> there were other people involved when mr. penny was

still holding onto mr. neely on the ground. do you want to see any charges against them? >> absolutely. i asked the d.a. whether they identified those two people yet, and the answer was no. now, if you're in a choke hold from what we understand it cuts off both air and blood to the brain. so there's no way that anyone who knows what they're doing and using that technique could conclude this is going to lead anywhere else. to add on top of that compound the situation by having one person grab your left arm and your right arm, it means you're completely defenseless. you are absolutely incapable of doing anything to get out of this. i spoke to a high level jujitsu instructor and he talked about the fact with the hold that they had with jordan's hips locked in place by penny's legs and the choke hold, 99% of anybody who's even trained would -- no one can get out of that. there's no escaping.

>> i appreciate your time tonight. now again to idaho where a jury has found a mother guilty of killing her two children and conspiring to kill the ex-wife of her fifth husband. the defense team didn't call a single witness, resting its case minutes after the prosecution. religious beliefs about zombies and claims of doomsday used as claims for the killings. >> reporter: she stood almost motionless as one guilty verdict after another was announced. she was found guilty on all murder, conspiracy, and grand theft charges. the jury's decision closes the book on the month-long trial for the idaho mother who prosecutors say was motivated by money, power, and sex to kill her two children and conspire to kill her husband's wife at the time. and while she decided not to testify, her lawyers argued she

was innocent. >> listen, just tell me what's happening. there's people around the country praying for your children. >> reporter: the harrowing case which involves a tangled web of family deaths and doomsday religious beliefs began in september of 2019 when two of vallow daybell's children from a previous marriage were last seen. shortly afterwards she married chad daybell when whose wife died in her sleep just weeks before their wedding in hawaii. when authorities conducted a welfare check in 2019 police say she told them her son was in arizona. they returned the next day with a search warrant only to find the couple had vanished. >> just tell us where your kids are. >> reporter: the couple was located in hawaii in january of 2020. but j.j. and tylee's whereabouts

remained a mystery. after a months long search law enforcement located the remains of the children at chad daybell's property in southeast idaho. >> chad daybell were also taken into custody. >> reporter: they were indicted for murder in may 2021. chad daybell's trial is being held separately. he's pleaded not guilty. the couple's apocalyptic religious world view was a focus throughout the trial. prosecutors say they believe they were religious figures who used a system of people in light and dark. before the children went missing her estranged husband, charles, told police about her beliefs. >> she thinks she's a resurrected being and a god. >> reporter: he filed for divorce, but prosecutors say

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as ukraine appears on the precipice of a major counter offensive against russia, two major developments today in the war. explosions in russian occupied eastern ukraine after what authorities there say were two missiles that struck an industrial area. attacks like that are rare in that part of the country. no comment from ukrainian officials on the explosions. also today russia admitted its armed forces had pulled back from around the strategic city of bakhmut whereas you know the two sides have been battling furiously for months. russia's defense ministry they

called it a tactical regrouping, that's how they reframed it. the head of the paramilitary wagner group is often at odds with russia's top military officials told the ministry in a video to, quote, stop lying and, quote, this is called fleeing and not regrouping. russia's leader vladimir putin has been charged with war crimes by the icc. on thursday russia said it would put the list of judges from the international criminal court and its chief prosecutor on russia's wanted list. i spoke with mr. khan on wednesday before russia made that announcement and where the investigation now stands. so it's been about two months since the icc issued arrest warrants for vladimir putin and the russian commissioner for children's rights. where do things stand now? >> well, the warrants have been issued and we continue our investigations. as i said when we spoke for the first time ukraine's a crime scene. there's many allegations we're receiving of torture, of prisoners of war being treated terribly, gender based violence

and attacks on civilian g in and we're conducting our independent investigations and also working with ukrainian authorities and other partners to get to the truth. >> so potentially could there be more charges down the road and other players in this? >> absolutely. if the evidence reaches the threshold that requires me to act, i will check those responsibilities. >> do you believe it's unlikely vladimir putin is going to get anywhere he could be arrested and actually brought to the criminal court. do you actually believe that some of the actors in this, some of the people perpetrating these alleged crimes will actually stand on the docket at the icc? >> i think -- i do. that's the lesson nobody thought the president from the balkans would see the inside of a court or the president of liberia,

that he would have to answer charges. look at the holocaust even decades later people are being picked up and are being subjected to national prosecutions for those types of crimes. and i think we need to show the stamina to make sure that we're not going to forget what takes place and we're going to insist that the rule of law is seen to have a real impact. because if we don't, if we don't show the law is on the front lines, we're going to condemn our future generations to exactly what is being witnessed today, what people have been witnessing far too often since the holocaust, you know, the killing fields of cambodia and elsewhere. and i think we can do better, and the question is do we have the will to act on that obligation to build a better world? >> the campaign by russia to take ukrainian children, bring them into russian controlled territories, into russia itself, essentially turn them into russians, do you have a sense how large that operation? >> well, i think what i can say

clearly it seems to be a policy and it's not ad hoc, it's not random. it seems to be organized as a result of a policy decision by president putin and the commissioner for children. and they're not desisting. i'm not seeing any announcement they've made to say here are the children, please take them away. >> they're very public about it. in fact, they are promoting it as a humanitarian gesture. >> and if it was humanitarian, give the children back and i've said it very clearly, what's the reason. what's the motivation to keep them as your nationals with your passport and teach them for foreign language? why not give them back to their families and give them it a third state as required by the geneva convention and have that state return them back to their homeland. they're not doing that and begs the question why. >> you're in new york to brief the security council on the human rights situation in libya. a lot of people are not paid attention to libya since gaddafi

was killed. there's a warlord in the east of it country, from benghazi further east battling the central government, which is supported by the -- they're recognized by the u.n. and tripoli. >> it's completely broken and there are different epicenters of power. i went to benghazi i met the general -- >> the warlord -- >> absolutely. and i was criticized for that. i went to tripoli and i met the government representatives there. and we have an obligation to make sure the war has meaning. and putting all the politics aside what was moving i went to a place about two hours drive from tripoli, and i met just survivors. one woman who broke down in tears and she said, you know, my two children were taken from my arms. these are the people that we're trying to serve and to show that justice is not some abstract concept in the hague. it is a basic principle for

every people around the world. every person around the world needs to feel that protection or at least their life means something and that we care, that we give a jot what happens to them and i think we're failing. at this moment this increased scrutiny internationally gives some hope. we need to make sure not only in ukraine but in libya and for the rohingya we start making sure that the law is not an aspiration, it's something people feel is there as an additional safeguard. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you so much. still ahead our senior data reporter harry enton joins us with some surprising news on inflation. at w was that? - huh? what, thahat? no, don't worry about that. hehere we go. - asking the right queststion can greatly impact your future. - are, are you qualified toto do this? - what? - especially when it comes to your finances. - yeehaw! - do you have a question? - are you a certified financial planner™? - yes. i'm a cfp® professional. - cfp® professionals are committed

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tonight inflation and pasta. you may have noticed the pasta prices in the u.s. and italy are

skyrocketing so much the italian government held emergency meetings to investigate what's causing a surge in prices and what can be done to fix it. a noted pasta con knnosiour. harry anton. >> i have some props. i was going to give you a full thing but -- >> that's really sad. >> -- but it was really too heavy. you can still smell it. >> look, pasta prices are way up. we're talking up 20% in the last year in the united states. we're talking up 17% over the last year in italy. we're up to about $2 a box in italy. we're up to $1.46. >> why? >> numerous reasons. consumer groups believe it's price gouging.

in fact the pasta that's hitting the shelves in italy was produced back last year when, of course, russia was invading ukraine and there were some real energy problems. it's essentially one of these things where some people say one thing, other people say other but in fact the delicious pasta, the prices are out of control. >> there was recently some abandoned pasta found in new jersey. >> yes, there was some abandoned pasta. >> we're talking about over 500 pounds of pasta, anderson. >> why was it abandoned? >> the reason it was abandoned. there was a real mystery. what could be the cause. it turns out they believe it was a man who was cleaning out his mother's house after she had passed away and essentially the town they were in didn't have mass disposal and they decided -- he was like, you know what, this is too difficult to get rid of. that's about $730 worth of pasta taking into account inflation.

i wish they would have sent some of it to me because the pasta costs are so friggen high. >> what is america's favorite pasta dish? >> lasagna. >> interestingly enough. >> i would have never thought it was lasagna. >> pasta pasta with a marinara or tomato. >> bolognese. >> that's your favorite. it's not america's favorite but we do love a good spaghetti and meatballs. that is kind of did go that's sort of bolognese, right? >> sure. >> this is my favorite. the homemade tomato and basil. my girlfriend and i cook it up. >> are we done with the data part. >> we're done with the data part. i had italian with my mother. anything to talk about pasta. >> thank you. coming up, a preview of sunday's edi edition. ingrgredients you love,

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that's why their whole life they started chasing it, right? >> right. >> reporter: do you think that the services that san francisco offers people who are on the streets encourages people to come to this city and stay in the city? >> ah -- >> homeless people? >> reporter: yeah. >> yes. >> i don't know. i don't know. >> reporter: what makes you so certain about that? >> because i know people, it's common knowledge, go to san francisco -- >> i don't think it's the housing that encourages them to come. >> reporter: no. >> i think it's the cheap drugs. i think it's hearing about what you can buy for how much money and how you can use outside and not get arrested. >> all new episode of the whole story here sunday 8 p.m. only on cnn. in case you missed it you can catch the episode of "the whole ststory" starting right now.