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children back. what's the reason? what's the motivation to keep that allowed authorities to them as your nationals with your passport, teach them a foreign quickly expel migrants seeking asylum was allowed to lapse. language? why not give them back to their families, give them to a third state, as required by the geneva a tweet warned it could be chaotic for a while. tens of thousands of migrants conventions, let that state return them back to their are believed to be massed in homeland? they're not doing that, and it northern mexico and two counties begs the question why. issued disaster declarations in >> you're in new york to brief preparation. the security council on the today there's no evidence of a human rights situation in libya. rush, at least not an immediate a lot of people have not paid it one. this video is probably the best evidence. much attention since gadhafi was on the left you see the border killed. as it was yesterday with but it is a broken state. migrants camped just outside it. on the right, the border as it the country is divided. was today. there's a lot of theories where there's a warlord in the east of those people went. the country from benghazi we'll get to that in a moment. a source tells cnn according to further east battling the a count by border patrol, around central government, which is 23,400 migrants were in custody supported by the, recognized by as of this afternoon. the u.n. in tripoli. that's slightly lower than >> it's completely broken. and there are different power, earlier this week. nevertheless, the administration is still preparing for more epicenters of power. i went to benghazi, met general migrants seeking asylum. i.c.e. is adding 5,000 detention hafta -- >> that's the warlord in the beds. there's also the political chaos east? >> absolutely. i was criticized for that. with republican calls for the border to be shut down and the i went to tripoli, met
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government representatives biden administration saying there. republicans are trying to, we have an obligation to make quote, sabotage its efforts on sure the law has meaning. the border after a federal putting politics aside, what was judge's ruling in florida. very moving, i went to one place ed lavandera starts us off from called tahulna, two hours' drive el paso with the latest. from tripoli. >> reporter: after title 42 i met -- just survivors. ended late thursday night, some migrants discovered they didn't make it in time. one woman who broke down in tears. this father and son from she said, my two children were taken from my arms. venezuela were turned away, but these are the people that we're he says the goal was to get to trying to serve and to show that the justice is not some abstract the other side, to find a way to reach the united states, but we'll have to wait and figure it concept in the hague, it is a out. >> we've been very, very clear basic principle for people that there are lawful, safe, and around the world, every person orderly pathways to seek relief around the world needs to feel that protection, at least that their life means something and from the united states. that we care, that we give a jot if one arrives at our southern about what happens to them. i think we're failing, borde border, one is going to face tougher consequences. >> reporter: in the days leading up to last night's deadline, collectively. at this moment, this increased border officials saw a surge of scrutiny gives some hope, but we need to make sure, not only in migrants. more than 23,000 are now in cbp ukraine, but in libya, for the custody, down slightly from earlier this week. but the end of title 42 did not trigger the historic wave of rohingya, we start making sure migrants rushing to cross the that the law is not an aspiration, it's something that
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border friday that was people feel as an additional predicted. in el paso, thousands were safeguard. >> thank you so much, appreciate it. waiting to be processed outside a border gate. still ahead, our senior data reporter harry enten joins us >> we're prioritizing, doing with surprising news on inflation. this as quickly and efficiently and safely as we possibly done. >> reporter: the number down to a couple hundred, says the city's mayor. >> after yesterday's spike of about 1,800 that came in yesterday, we have not seen any additional big numbers come in through the el paso sector. >> we had tents or whatever term you want to use literally all along the wall. >> reporter: john martin runs a network of shelters in el paso and said the crowds have dramatically dwindled in recent days. >> as of about 11:00 this morning, we had no new arrivals. >> reporter: while surprised at the lack of influx the morning after title 42 lifted, he doesn't expect it will stay this way. >> i have to admit, it's nice to be able to breathe one more time. but we can't let our guard down. >> reporter: in january, u.s.
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customs and border protection opened this massive facility in the el paso area about 20 miles from the u.s./mexico border. it's designed to hold about 1,000 migrants at a time. as you can see, construction crews are working to expand. we're told by cbp officials, in june they'll have room for another 1,000 migrants to hold at this facility. in brownsville, dozens of buses line up near an intake facility. but a major human taken group tells cnn they only had one bus arrive today. about 155,000 migrants were estimated to be in shelters and on streets in mexico, waiting to enter the u.s., a source familiar with federal estimates said. migrants will still risk their lives to make it to the u.s., and from now on, people who cross the border illegally will face a tougher path to requesting asylum. many will be deported, like this group who were shackled and led onto a repatriation flight like
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this one leaving for guatemala on thursday. >> ed lavender ra joins us. a couple hundred migrants waiting to be processed, what happened? were they processed? what went on? >> reporter: yeah, they're brought into the u.s., they're processed by border patrol. then released if they get the proper documentation. they could also be deported. depends on the individual cases. to give you a sense how things have changed here dramatically, this is an alleyway behind a migrant shelter in el paso that in the days leading up to the end of title 42 was packed with people sleeping outside. you can see how dramatically this has changed for now. speaking with several migrant advocates throughout the day today, they believe that what's happening is that right now on the southern side of the border, tens of thousands of migrants are kind of reassessing the border landscape and then trying to figure out when the next best opportunity might be to cross into the u.s. >> the mayor of el paso texas,
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appreciate you joining us. we just heard the comments you made earlier, that reporting from ed lavandera. how is the situation now in el paso? what are your people seeing on the ground? >> it hasn't changed any from this morning. talking about gate 42, about 1,800 last night, all processed but a couple, 200, 300 processed by early this morning. then i was just down there where ed was talking. i just got back from this. the numbers are way down. monday about 3,000 people there. border patrol with assistance went in, handed out handouts to help them register and get process so they could go into the processing centers and be able to go on to, whether it's shelters, immigration centers, anything like that. the numbers have changed. a week ago, 10 to 12,000 ready to cross. i went into shelters, 20 people in there. and now i went in two days ago
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to see what to expect. we've been trying to prepare for months now for the unknown. i went over there, i noticed that -- talked to the officials there. 3,000. they told me they have others ready to come across, maybe 5,000. we've been prepared, we've worked for this. we thank all agencies together to be able to have done this in a very orderly way and humane can earn? l of safety you subaru. when it comes to longevity, who has the highest percentage of its vehicles still on the road after ten years? subaru. and when it comes to value, which brand has the lowest cost of ownership, lower than toyota, honda, or hyundai? subaru. it's easy to love a car you can trust. it's easy to love a subaru. when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i am... being me. keep being you... and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking h-i-v treatment as prescribed and getting to and staying undetectable prevents transmitting h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your healthcare provider about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your healthcare provider. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. no matter where life takes you, biktarvy can go with you. talk to your healthcare provider today. - double check that. eh, pretty good! (whistles) yeek. not cryin', are ya? let's tighten that. (fabric ripping) ooh. - wait, wh- wh- what was that? - huh? what, that? no, don't worry about that. here we go. - asking the right question can greatly impact your future. - are, are you qualified to do this? - what? - especially when it comes to your finances. - yeehaw! - do you have a question? - are you a certified financial planner™? - yes. i'm a cfp® professional. - cfp® professionals are committed to acting in your best interest. that's why it's gotta be a cfp®. find your cfp® professional at letsmakeaplan.org. way. that's the important part, that our customers don't do what they do for likes or followers. their path isn't for the casually curious. and that's what makes it matter the most when they find it. the exact thing that can change the world. some say it's what they were born to do... it's what they live to do... trinet serves small and medium sized businesses... so they can do more of what matters. benefits. payroll. compliance. trinet. people matter. tonight, inflation and pasta. you may have noticed pasta we want to treat people the way prices in the u.s. and italy as you want to be treated, make well are skyrocketing, so much sure our asylum seekers and the so that the italian government community of el paso continue to held emergency talks yesterday to investigate what is causing be safe. >> i know -- i mean, do you the surge in prices and what can have -- you've been one of the be done to fix it. mayors busing people to cities cnn's senior data reporter, also like new york and elsewhere. a noted pasta connoisseur, harry unlike some, you've actually enten, is here with more. been coordinating with those what do the data show, how much cities that you send those buses have pasta prices gone up here and in italy? to, as far as i understand. >> first off, hey something for do you expect to do more of that? is there a need for that now? you this evening. i was going to give you a full >> you know, we will continue to thing. help our asylum seekers go to >> that's really sad. >> it was too heavy, too heavy. the destination and those things
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we did back then. you can still smell it. smells decent. very thankful for mayor adams who came down and looked at our process, how we were doing what look. pasta prices are way up. we were doing, he wanted to know we're talking 20% in the last why people wanted to go to new year in the united states. york. he talked to some of the asylum we're talking up 17% over the seekers, how many of you want to go to work? last year in italy. 50 or so raised their hand. we're up to about $2 a box in who wants to go to new york? te raised their hand, yes. italy, up to about $1.46 a why do you want to go to new york? because they've seen on it tv. box -- >> why? they want to make their lives what's going on? >> numerous reasons. better for themselves and their families and they feel they have some consumer groups in italy a great opportunity to continue to raise their family and believe it's price xwounlging provide a better way of life for because things that do go into them. >> so are you seeing the surge pasta aren't costing that much that everyone expected? or did it -- has it -- were the right now. in italy, things on shelves now numbers big last week? were you expecting different numbers today? were produced last year when russia was invading ukraine and >> you know, that's what we were -- i keep saying we want to energy problems. the fact is the delicious pasta prepare for the unknown. we still have not seen the we enjoy so much, the prices are numbers we expected, you're out of control. right. >> there was recently some we expected a lot more numbers abandoned pasta found in new to be coming in, you know, jersey. >> yes. there was abandoned pasta. today. but then a few days prior to, >> there it is. when i went into mexico, i >> look at this. >> what an image, a lot of p assessed it myself and talked to
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officials in mexico, i knew the pasta. >> we're talking about over 500 pounds of pasta, anderson. numbers were not going to be the way we looked at it. >> why was it abandoned? the largest amount was 1,800 >> the reason it was abandoned, that came in through great 42 there was a real mystery. that were processed, you know. would what be the cause? turns out they believe it was a i think ed kind of said it best, man who was cleaning out his that processed, will go to mother's house after she had passed away, and essentially the annunciation house, go to some town they were in didn't have of the city shelters. mass disposal. we've opened two schools that they decided -- he was like, you have been vacated by the school know what, this is too difficult district, we've been able to to get rid of, i'm going to ant make them temporary shelters so we can help people. it in the woods. >> so as the mayor, how do these at least $730 worth of you -- how big a burden is this for you? pasta, taking into account this must take up, as a mayor of inflation. i wish they would have sent some a major city, this must take up to me because pasta costs right now are so freaking high. a good bulk of your time. >> you know, but we are a border >> what is america's pasta dish? >> turns out lasagna, community. we do have responsibilities. interestingly. i know and everyone knows these >> that threw me. >> i would never have thought people aren't coming to el paso, lasagna. >> spaghetti, i would have said. texas, they're coming to the >> pasta with a marinara or united states. secretary mayorkas and the federal government really have helped us to provide a service. tomato sauce. >> bolognese. but we all know the immigration >> that's your favorite, that's what i've been told. process is broken. we understand that. it's not america's favorite. we're hoping that, you know, we do love a good spaghetti and
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congress learns to -- they need meatballs, right? to agree to disagree and so that is kind of -- that's sort of bolognese. compromise, because there is no >> sure. end game. >> but this is my favorite. communities like el paso and the minute really is the raul's home southern border, we can't continue for infinity. plate tomato and basil. there's something that has to happen. we'll continue to provide a me girlfriend and i cook it up -- humane process for our asylum >> are we done with the data part? >> we are, i love talking about seekers, but again, something has to change to be able to do pasta. the job of the federal i anything to talk about pasta government. >> i appreciate your time, is good. mayor, thank you. >> thank you. still to come, the former coming up, a preview of "the whole story." president and the florida governor who might become his chief republican rival for the white house, ron desantis, descend upon iowa tomorrow. the first of the nation's caucuses are months away. we'll speak about the mood of republican voters. later, my conversation with the family attorneys for jordan neely after manhattan prosecutors charged a man for choking neely to death on a new york subway train. that's it. miracle-gro.
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break here. since then. >> how did you end up on the briane, how do you see both of street? >> drugs. them appealing to iowans this weekend? >> i think you're going to see i go to rehab, i get clean. really different events. donald trump has been in the and something, whatever it is, state quite a lot over the last pulls me back. several years. >> that's the story of a lot of iowans more or less know what people in this country. they're going to get from him. you're absolutely not alone in so he's holding a big rally here that. >> i love heroin. in des moines. i mean, that's the straight-up, i think you're going to see what you see at a lot of these honest -- >> he doesn't do heroin anymore, events, really enthusiastic supporters, his real core base though. of supporters. >> but it does change you. i think you're going to see his you will hear people saying they team really working hard to make love it. sure those people are registered that's why their whole life sort of is chasing it, right? to vote, signed up to volunteer >> right. with the campaign, make sure they're really engaged with this >> do you think the services that san francisco offers people on the streets encourages people process. ron desantis has only been in to come to and stay in this the state once before. he's holding events in sue city? center and cedar rapids. he's going to be here really >> regarding homeless people? trying to excite the republican >> yeah. >> yes. >> you do? base, really try to offer >> i don't know, i don't know. >> justin, what makes you so something different and create a certain about that? contrast with the former >> i know people -- that's why president, and really paint a picture that he's worth the i -- it's common knowledge, oh, hype.
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>> i know one of the core issues that you expect iowans to vote go to san francisco. >> i don't think it's the on is abortion. housing that encourages them to come. the former president was asked >> no. >> i think it's the green drugs. if he'd be in favor of a federal i think it's hearing abortion ban the other night, never gave a straight answer. how do you think that plays among conservatives, evangelicals in the state? governor desantis clearly is making a play for them. >> yeah, abortion is a really important issue for iowa republicans as for many republicans across the country. you've got a range of folks. the evangelical base, as you mentioned, is a real religious group. they really want to see a national federal ban on abortion. they want to see this go as far as they can toward protecting life. so they're looking at donald trump with a bit of a complicated lens. he created the pathway for roe v. wade to be overturned, but after the midterm elections, he turned around and blamed republicans' focus on abortion for losing some of those fights. and so in that vein, i think republicans are a little bit skeptical.
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but they also look at him as being the most pro-life president in history. and so they've got a mixed bag with donald trump. but you've also got people who really just want to win the election. they want to beat joe biden. they worry, again, that this issue has gone too far to the right, that they may not be able to sell that in a general election against joe biden. >> the former president won the state in the last two general elections. he lost the 2016 republican iowa caucuses to ted cruz. clearly the state has an independent streak. do you see governor desantis having a chance? >> yeah. you know, i think, you know, you look at the base here in iowa right now. there is a core group of people who are really solidly locked into donald trump. but a lot of others are really looking for other options. and so, you know, one influential evangelical leader put it to me this past week saying, there's a door that's open. it's kind of up to a ron desantis, a nikki haley, a tim
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scott, to seal the deal, come in and show that they can create a viable alternative to donald trump. if we get to january and nobody has proven that they can put together a compelling message, a good operation, you know, they may go back to the former president. but i think there's an opening. we hear that on the ground a lot as reporters here in iowa. people want someone who's going to look forward, who's not going to relitigate issues of the past. and so i think they're going to be looking at ron desantis really closely this week, especially as he appears to be getting ready to launch a formal campaign. >> briane, appreciate it, thank you. one of the major issues confronting republican leaders, abortion laws in the wake of the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade. certainly had a dramatic impact on the lives of women and the choices they make, also doctors who perform abortions in states where they've been mostly banned in a legally precarious position. >> reporter: dr. miller has been
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treating women and performing abortions in boise, idaho, the last five years. things are different now that the state has passed a near-total abortion ban. what's your greatest fear? >> being tried as a felon for saving someone's life. >> reporter: last august, idaho made abortion illegal with two exceptions. an abortion can be performed if the mother's life is in danger. and in the cases of rape or incest reported to a law enforcement agency. but dr. miller says the law is still somewhat murky. >> you have a death exception, and that is it, without any other guidelines. if i don't act fast enough to save your life, prevent you from getting septic, i could be liable for civil cases. but if i act too quickly and i'm not 100% certain the patient is going to die, i could be guilty of a felony. >> what is tsis the bar? >> we don't know what that bar is. no one wants to be the guinea pig first test case for that.
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>> reporter: complicating matters the new law allows family members to sue providers who perform an abortion for at least $20,000 if it doesn't fall within the scope of the abortion ban. doctors in those cases face suspension of their medical license, felony charges, even prison time. how does that square with what your medical training taught you about treating women? >> that's a huge part of why i'm leaving. it is true moral injury. i cannot provide the care that i have been trained to. it goes against what we're taught as physicians to protect the health of our patients. >> reporter: idaho's governor also signed a law that says anyone helping a minor travel out of state to terminate a pregnancy without parental consent is guilty of a crime. dr. miller has decided to move her practice to colorado, where abortion is still legal. and she's not the only one leaving. of the 117 doctors she informally surveyed in idaho, 75 answered yes or maybe when asked if they were considering leaving, at least in part because of the state's abortion
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laws. dr. kylie cooper, who worked alongside dr. miller, has already left idaho and is now working in minnesota, where abortion is legal. >> we decided to leave idaho because of the abortion bans. it was a really difficult decision. my husband and i had many conversations about, what would it actually look like if i were charged with a felony? and then went to prison? >> reporter: dr. cooper says she feels much safer after leaving idaho. >> having to watch somebody get sicker in front of your eyes and not be able to help them is just -- hard to even comprehend. that's not the way that i was trained to practice medicine. no one is. we don't let people get so sick when we have all of the means and the tools to be able to help them. >> reporter: back in idaho, dr.
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miller says of the nine full-time maternal fetal medicine physicians in the state, five of them will have left by the end of this year. keep in mind, these are the doctors who deal with the most significant pregnancy complications. souza is the chief physician executive at st. luke's hospital. >> we're at the beginning of the collapse of an entire system of care. if the momentum doesn't shift and we continue to pull planks out of the jenga tower of this system of care, there's no question that there will be bad perinatal outcomes for moms and babies. >> reporter: i spoke with idaho representative crane, key to negotiations in getting this new law passed. he told me that this is still a work in progress, this is not a silver bullet piece of legislation, as he put it, there's still much more work to do. but beyond these new abortion restrictions, this summer the
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idaho legislature is going to put an end to what's called the maternal mortality review committee. that committee tracks pregnancy deaths. if the mortality rate and the death rate go up as a result of women not being able to get access to safe abortion care, those numbers will no longer be made public, because that committee will no longer be in existence. >> what's the reason they say they're doing that? >> reporter: they haven't given us a reason. i asked that representative about it, and he could not answer that question. i said, why, isn't this critical? it's very critical to tracking the deaths and the mortality rate. dr. miller in our story, she's very concerned that the mortality rates will go up. we asked, we did not get a reason as to why this committee is going to be disbanded. >> randi kaye, thank you. a u.s. marine veteran surrenders to new york city police to face a manslaughter charge in the chokehold death of a homeless street performer, jordan neely. i'll talk to neely's family
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today in new york city, u.s. marine set ran daniel penny walked i've a police precinct in handcuffs to face arraignment for the chokehold death of jordan neely, a street performer. he faces second-degree manslaughter charges. penny is out on bail tonight. just last week, he was recorded holding mr. neely in a chokehold in a subway car. neely was pronounced dead at a hospital. witnesses say mr. neely got on a subway, shouted he was hungry, thirsty, had little to live for. witnesses say he didn't attack anyone. his death has brought attention to the national issue of homelessness. his family said he had mental health problems. i spoke with donte mills and lenin edwards, two attorneys for the neely family.
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>> first of all, how is the family of mr. neely doing? >> not good. they lost a loved one. and the worst part about it is, they're looked at as bad people because of the situation jordan neely was in. the problem is, therse are forgotten people in america. it's people dealing with mental illness. there's an assumption if you have mental illness, if you're houseless, that there's something wrong with you. that you're a bad person. >> what is the family's reaction to daniel penny being charged? >> well, i immediately called andre zachary, who's jordan's father, as soon as i got a call from the d.a.'s office. i wanted him to hear for himself the words that daniel penny was being charged. i also contacted carolyn, who is jordan's aunt. i wanted her to hear. it was important for them. the first thing i heard was, hallelujah, shouts of joy. and i heard relief.
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however, they all said, this is just one step. you know, i was talking with andre zachary, and he said that it wasn't right, number one, that nothing was being done. the pain was evident in his voice. we spent about 30 to 40 minutes trying to convince the d.a. on tuesday that it was unsatisfactory for them to tell us that they had no timeline for when they were going to do this arrest. we tried to explain to them there was enough evidence already. i asked point blank, you've been doing this 25 years, have you ever heard of a case, have you ever had a situation where there is both victim and the killer and a video and someone goes in and they admit that they killed this person, and they get to be questioned and leave? and he couldn't identify any situation like that. >> what do you want to see happen next? i mean, there will be a grand jury. >> right. >> mr. penny will have the opportunity, if he wants, to
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actually testify before the grand jury. he very well would be in his legal rights not to do that, because anything he could say could be used against him in a trial. do you think he will testify? >> i doubt he's going to testify. his attorneys will probably save that, if they at all have him get on the stand, until the trial happens. but we would like to see this man convicted for killing jordan neely. there's no way around it. when you look at the degree of force he used here, you know, people talk about they're afraid, and i understand that. we ride the subways, we walk -- it's not limited to the subways. walking the streets at night, wherever you may be, there's always an element of fear depending on the circumstance. but it's objective, and it's subjective. you have to look at, was it reasonable here for daniel penny to decide that he was in such great fear that he needed to kill to extinguish, to forever erase jordan neely? and there's absolutely nothing. >> to you, are there questions
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about was it wrong initially for mr. penny to get involved? then it seems like there's also the question of the length of time -- there's the action of putting somebody into a choke hode, also the action of holding on to that person seemingly in a chokehold for an extended length of time. >> two components. first is, did he have the right to act to begin with? what we have to look at, how reasonable was it? what was he responding to? a lot of us think of self-defense, it's built in, you're defending yourself from something. that means you're not first to act. jordan neely never touched him, never hit him, never lunged in his direction. in fact, daniel penny came from behind him and put him in a chokehold. is that reasonable? then you look at the amount of time he held that chokehold. something like that 15 minutes. 6 to 15 minutes. the question is, what did he think would happen if he choked someone for that long? you had to know it would end in
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death. >> there were other people involved when mr. penny was still holding on to mr. neely on the ground. do you want to see any charges against them? >> absolutely. i asked the d.a. whether they identified those two people yet, and the answer was no. now, if you're in a chokehold, from what we understand, it cuts off both air and blood to the brain. so there is no way that anyone who knows what they're doing in using that technique could conclude that this is going to lead anywhere else. to compound the situation by having one person grab your left arm and your right arm, it means you're completely defenseless. you are absolutely incapable of doing anything to get out of this. i spoke to a high-level jujitsu instructor, and he talked about the fact that with the hold that they had with jordan's hips locked in place by penny's legs and the chokehold, 99% of
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anybody who is even trained, no one could get out of that, there's no escaping. >> i appreciate your time tonight, thank you. again to idaho where a jury has found a mother guilty of killing her two children, conspiring to kill the ex-wife of her fifth husband. the defense team didn't call a witness, resting minutes after the prosecution. prosecutors zeroed in on the mother's religious beliefs about zombies and claims of a looming doomsday as partial motives for the killings. more now from camila bernal. >> answer, guilty. answer, guilty. >> reporter: lori vallow daybell almost motionless as one guilty verdict after another was announced. she was found guilty on all murder, conspiracy, and grand theft charges. >> the court does find it's a unanimous verdict -- >> reporter: the jury's decision closes the book on the month-long trial for the idaho mother who prosecutors say was motivated by money, power, and sex to kill her two children and
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conspire to kill her husband's wife at the time. while she decided not to testify, her lawyers argued she was innocent. >> listen, just tell people what's happening. there's people around the country praying for your children. >> reporter: the harrowing case which involves a tangled web of family debts and doomsday religious beliefs began in september 2019 when two of vallow daybell's children from a previous marriage -- 16-year-old tylee ryan and 7-year-old joshua, or j.j. -- were last seen. she married chad daybell, whose wife died in her sleep just weeks before chad and lori's wedding in hawaii. when authorities conducted a welfare check on j.j. in november of 2019, police say vallow daybell told them her son was with a friend in arizona. they returned the next day with a search warrant only to find the couple had vanished. >> just tell us where your kids are! >> reporter: the couple was
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located in hawaii in january 2020, but j.j. and tylee's whereabouts remained a mystery. after a months-long search, law enforcement located the remains of the children at chad daybell's property in southeast idaho. >> chad daybell, who resides at that residence, has also been taken into custody. >> reporter: daybell and vallow daybell were ultimately indicted for murder in may 2021. chad daybell's trial is being held separately. he's pleaded not guilty. the couple's apocalyptic religious worldview was a focus throughout the trial. prosecutors say they believed they were religious figuresed who used a system of rating people as light or dark. >> i can't get in touch with my kids. >> reporter: but before the children went missing, vallow daybell's estranged husband, charles, told police about her beliefs. >> she thinks she's a resurrected being, a god.
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>> reporter: he filed for divorce, but prosecutors say vallow daybell's brother, alex cox, shot and killed charles in july of 2019. she's facing a conspiracy to commit murder charge in arizona in connection with that killing. cox died in december of 2019. hearing the verdict was emotional for many who followed this tragic case, but perhaps none more so than family. >> j.j., i love you. tylee, papa loves you. >> reporter: camila bernal, cnn, los angeles. up next, what's happening in some russian-controlled areas of ukraine that could signal a shift in the fighting. and my conversation with the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court who brought war crimes charges against vladimir putin with an update on his investigation in ukraine.
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eastern ukraine after what authorities say were c cruise missiles that struck an industrial area. no comment from ukrainian official on this the explosions. russia admitted its own forces had pulled back from bakhmut where two sides have been battling seriously for months. russia's defense ministry called it a tactical regrouping. that's how they framed it. bakhmut is often at odds with russia's top military officials, told the ministry if a video to stop lying, and this is fleeing and not regrouping. russia's leader, vladimir putin, has been charged with war crimes by the icc. thursday, russia said it would put the list of judges from the international criminal court and its chief prosecutor on russia's wanted list. i spoke with mr. khan on wednesday before that announcement about where the investigation now stands. it's been about two months since the icc issued arrest warrants for vladimir putin and the
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russian commissioner for children's rights. where do things stand now? >> well, the warrants have been issued and we continue our investigations. as i said, we spoke for the first time, ukraine is a crime scene. there's many allegations of torture, of prisoners of war that have been treated essentially, of sexual-based violence, of attacks against civilian infrastructure. >> you're continuing to receive those? >> the allegations are coming in, and we're verifying them and conducting our independent investigation and also working with ukrainian authorities and other partners to get to the truth. >> could potentially there be more charges down the road? >> absolutely. >> from other players in this? >> if the evidence reaches the threshold that requires me to act, i won't shirk those responsibilities. >> do you believe -- i mean, it's unlikely vladimir putin is going to get -- be anywhere where he could be arrested and actually brought to the criminal court. do you actually believe that some of the actors in this, some of the people who are perpetrating these alleged
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crimes, will actually stand in the docket at the icc? >> i think -- i do, i think that's the lesson -- nobody thought president milosevic from the balkans would see the inside of a courtroom, or charles taylor when he was a very powerful president of liberia, that he would have to answer charges. look at the holocaust. not in nuremberg, even decades later. people being picked up and being subjected to national prosecutions for those types of crimes. i think we need to show the stamina to make sure that we're not going to forget what takes place and we're going to insist
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