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watching us here in the united states, canada and all around the world, i'm kim brunhuber. ahead on cnn newsroom. >> these migrants who tried to cross into the u.s., but now here they are realizing that texas national guard, texas state troopers, along with cbp, will not let them through the barb wire fence any longer, they're coming back to the mexico side. >> we'll take you to the southern border as thousands of migrants realize the end of title 42 isn't making it easier to cross into the united states. plus, republicans, donald trump and ron desantis will be competing for supporters tonight as they hold duelling rallies in iowa. we'll have a preview and on the ground in the trenches with ukrainian troops near bakhmut as they fight russia for every square foot of ground. >> announcer: live from cnn center this is cnn newsroom, with kim brunhuber. u.s. cities along the border with mexico report fewer migrant

crossings than expected on the first day since title 42 expired. the covid-era policy allowed authorities to swiftly expel most migrants. federal officials say there was no substantial increase overnight, or an influx at midnight friday morning when title 42 expired. still, leaders of border cities are calling on federal authorities to help prevent illegal crossings so the situation doesn't get worse. >> if things go well and if people keep on, for example, not talking about the mexican authorities, advising the immigrants of the ramifications of title 8 instead of title 42 they will try to orderly cross where they're supposed to. we're talking about the points of entry. if that occurs we hope that it is not as -- i can't say tragic, but hopefully we won't have the issues we expected. >> mexico's foreign minister says about 10,000 migrants are

waiting in juarez to cross the border. david culver is there and spoke with high -- migrants about what comes next. >> reporter: watching a dwindling number of moig rants, technically already on u.s. soil but not through the border wall. title 42 no longer. title 8 now back in full effect, giving these migrants the right to claim asylum. but those who fail to qualify risk being banned from entering the u.s. for at least five years. on this spot days earlier more than a thousand migrants camped out, most of them had illegally crossed the barbed wire and battled brutal conditions, the night's cold and the day's scorching sun and heat. water and food, scarce. those arriving friday disappointed and turned away. >> these migrants who had tried to cross into the u.s., but now here they are realizing that

texas national guard, texas state troopers, along with cbp will not let them through the barbed wire fencing any longer, they're coming back to the mexico side. >> reporter: in juarez alone estimate 10,000 migrants are still waiting to cross, many of them living in sidewalk encampments and shelters, like this one, where we find a familiar face. >> we recognize him from being on our same train. he says from that train he came here to the shelter. >> reporter: two days before we met jose, his 15-year-old daughter daisy and 23-year-old son roberto on board a freight train carrying migrants into ciudad juarez, they fled honduras. he left behind his two young kids who got sick early on in the journey. the family staying in this church-run shelter. >> reporter: as of now they just want to take a beat, if you

will, pause a little bit because they're noticing a lot of people are trying to cross, and yet a lot of people are coming back. i said, what are you going to do in the meantime? he said wait. >> reporter: he has been in mexico for eight months. three weeks ago he tried to enter the u.s. under title 42 but was immediately expelled. >> reporter: he, like so many, saying the same thing. they want to do it legally, they want to do it the right way, but ultimately leaving it in god's hands. >> reporter: the director says most here want to cross legally and spend their mornings trying to get an asylum appointment. he said they've seen this coming now going back at least six months and he said the reality is he sees it is the u.s. hasn't been very prepared for this moment. 77 people, nbding families with little kids, staying here for now. pastor javier says that's down

from when we visited late last year when some 150 crammed in. he expects migrants will continue to come. driving back to the desert landscape along the border wall, down a sandy and rocky road, we find more activity across the river, one by one, u.s. officials call for the remaining group of single men, the migrants toss excess clothes and belongings into a dumpster, and spread their hands against the fence. u.s. law enforcement search them. they then board a bus. some will continue into the u.s. others, likely to be sent back to this side of the river, mexico, determined to find another way across. >> most every migrant we've spoken with has told us they are on their own schedule when it comes to crossing over into the u.s. they're not going to try to follow any sort of deadline for any u.s. policy but rather what works best for their individual cases. that said, all of them share the same goal and that is to eventually cross. most of them tell me legally,

but others say they're willing to do it however, so long as they can ultimately get to the u.s. david culver, mcnn, juarez mexico. thank you so much for being here with us. so in terms of the number of migrants coming across, title 42 is gone, local officials are telling us the surge isn't as bad as predicted or as bad as they expected. is that what you're seeing as well? >> that's correct. i think in recent days, in recent weeks we did see the numbers trend up. but i think what was happening is that people wanted to get in under the line. people wanted to get in before the expiration of title 42, and before we had the introduction of a new policy by the biden administration. and i can say that yesterday and today the numbers have begun to taper down and we're seeing the

situation stabilize. >> and an official earlier in the week in el paso when this was coming to a head likened it to the coming of a hurricane. do you think that it will be more sort of like a long sustained storm where you might see higher numbers, but for longer? >> that's a possibility, but i think that there are always naturally peaks and troughs whenever you look at the border. there are times when the numbers go up. there are times when the numbers go down. i think overall title 42 created a bit of a bottleneck situation so you do have migrants throughout mexico, migrants on their way to the border. >> you spoke about title 42 and people wanting to get in under the wire before that expired. the impression that was being given certainly in the media was that after title 42 it would be a lot easier to get in, therefore you'd have this big surge. why do you think people wanted to get in before the expiration of 42, what's the difference between that and the new policy?

>> we're moving from one bad policy to one that's not much better and in some cases it's actually worse. many migrants, for example, crossed under title 42, and would have been expelled back to mexico or to their home countries. they might actually be deported now and may be facing a penalty of up to five years they can't come back to the united states. and if they do they could face severe consequences. so, in some respects, the new biden policy is actually a bit more harsh in terms of deterrents. >> of course, then, the news this week that another unaccompanied migrant child died in u.s. custody, the second in two months. regardless, where you stand on the issue of migration politically, it is just heartbreaking. >> yeah, that's right. i mean, over the past years and decades we've put in a strategy where we've hardened our borders, made it much more difficult for people to access protection and we treated migrants like criminals by

detaining them, by deporting them, by arresting them and those policies really haven't made a dent. migrants continue to come. until we pivot to a solution that's much more humane and that puts in place effective, safe systems that allow vulnerable migrants and asylum seekers to make their claims and get protection we'll continue to see unfortunate incidents like that. >> in terms of taking care of people who have come across it must be frustrating that so much of the slack has to be picked up by ngos, by volunteers. what more support should they be getting right now? >> yeah, even the title 42 was tremendously bad, the new policy, again, isn't much better. border communities are left picking up the pieces of a really broken system. that means we have to provide shelter, we have to provide medical support, we have to assist migrants who are allowed into the country, as they make their way into the interior, and that's -- that can be a herculean effort. it's something we've risen to,

we've risen to that challenge over and over again. i'm confident that even in the midst of another broken policy that we'll be able to do it. i see it every day. i've come from a shelter just now where local communities are standing up sites to be able to receive people with dignity. i know we can do it if we can come together. we need more resource from the federal government, when we're all rowing in the same direction the federal government, local government, ngos, i'm confident that we can rise to this moment. >> yeah, you speak about broken policy. it is frustrating that congress can't come together to enact meaningful immigration reform. we'll have to leave it there. thank you for being with us, dylan corbett, really appreciate it. >> thank you, of course. and migrants waiting at the southern u.s. border will be facing harsh weather conditions this weekend. almost the entire state of texas is under some level of risk for excessive rain, flash flooding, hail and damaging winds in the coming hours and days. cnn meteorologist chad myers has

more on the forecast. a significant flash flooding event now happening in places along the rio grand river. there are thunderstorms that have fired in the heat of the day and now all the sudden they're raining in the same places. they will begin to move in the overnight hours a little bit but we're going to see significant rainfall here in places that really can't handle two to three inches of rainfall per hour. so, all of a sudden it all starts to run off into these arroyos, or dry washes, many of the arroyos down there, river basins don't have bridges, you drive down one side and back up the other. that's impossible when the arroyos are filled with water and very, very dangerous in the dark of the night. that's where we are right now. flash flood watches are in effect, of course, and some spots could pick up eight inches of rainfall, 200 millimeters of rainfall down here in places over the next few days. not just a one-day event. this will keep going for tomorrow and even into the weekend on sunday as well, that

moderate risk of flash flooding all the way across southeast texas for the next few days. >> and there were severe storms from texas through oklahoma, kansas, and into nebraska. have a look at this. a local meteorologist in north central nebraska captures this scary sight of a tornado as it touched down and moved across a highway. over 25 reports, with little to no damage reported. in the bay of bengal, tropical cyclone mocha is gaining strength and heading to western myanmar where is million people live in inadequate housing or shelters. the winds are expected to intensify in the next 24 hours. emergency preparation is under way for local and refugee communities. some residents in coastal areas in myanmar have already evacuated their homes and moved to shelters to ride out the storms. right now mocha is on track to make landfall near the myanmar bangladesh border on sunday.

congressional and white house staffers are expected to keep working through the weekend to try to hammer out a deal to raise the national debt limit before it's too late. failure to act could lead to the first u.s. default in history possibly within weeks with grave consequences to global financial markets. here's cnn's manu raju on capitol hill. >> reporter: for the third straight day there have been negotiations on capitol hill between staffer, republican leadership, the democratic leadership and the white house and for the first straight day there's still no deal to raise the national debt limit, the talks occurring after a meeting was cancelled for friday between president biden and the top congressional leaders, as they've still are struggling to get a deal. the negotiations really began in earnest just a few days ago, one source told me that it takes months to reach this kind of agreement, but they only have to do this now in a matter of days because the prospects of a debt default are looming very large.

by early june, potentially by the first two weeks of june, that's according to a new estimate from the congressional budget office, with estimates, there are significant risks to a debt default, the first ever in ufs history, the $31.5 trillion national borrowing limit is not raised. there have not been negotiations because the two sides have been on opposite issues. no negotiations so lisimply rai the debt limit without conditions to avoid economic calamity with a debt default. there need to be spending cuts attached to it. house republicans passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling for a year included a slew of spending cuts. democrats in the senate said that was dead on arrival. they're at loggerheads, but they are progressing, made some progress in these negotiations, but that doesn't necessarily

mean they'll make -- reach a deal that could pass congress. talks will occur over the weekend. the hope is to have something in hand, potentially by as early as next week, an outline of a deal. then they need to draft it into legislative text. then they need to actually sell it to both chambers of congress, and try to get enough support before that deadline in early june, that is a hugely difficult obstacle to overcome. but there's still some hope that they can get there despite the odds that are stacked up against the negotiators, the prospects of the default are very real, both sides are trying to avoid it. can they? that remains a huge question dominating capitol hill. manu raju, cnn, capitol hill. two advanced weapons come head to head in the skies above ukraine. this one made by the u.s. beats a missile that russia said was unstoppable. details ahead. plus, ron desantis rallies

supporters in iowa. trying to sway republican voters as the prepares for a possible campaign launch. stay with us.

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russia is reportedly trying to push back against ukraine's advances in bakhmut. a ukrainian officer in the city is report rg intense counterattacks as russia tries to regain the ground it lost in recent days. moscow is conceding it pulled back from positions north of bakhmut. cnn geolocated this social media video, appears to show russia troops in hasty retreat. ukraine gained two square miles on friday alone. and ukraine is also keeping an eye on an upcoming counteroffensive aimed at routing russians across a bigger front. our nic robertson went to the trenches to see how ukrainians are preparing for it. >> reporter: guys. >> yes. >> reporter: amid shell-smashed trees ukrainian troops figure out how to get us close to their new hard-won gains around

bakhmut. >> go behind me, distance five meters, he's going to -- >> reporter: how far from the russian lines here? >> close, eight, 900. >> reporter: what lessons here about a much anticipated bigger ukraine counteroffensive. >> you can see here how the ground is drying out, how wet it was before, and how hard it would be for the armored vehicles to get through. the battlefield is changing. now, summer's coming. and that's everything for the counteroffensive. so we have to go a bit faster here because they take a lot of incoming fire here. if not for the war it would be a lovely walk. little cover here from shelling. go, go, go. just come in here, we've heard a

drone above so we've got some cover in here. hopefully it won't see us down here, getting closer to the russian lines. this trench, one of several, and a few minefield positioned to block russian troops about 600 meters away from a counterattack out of sight, north and south of here, more ukrainian troops advancing, building on the recent gains here. ukraine's western allies say that shaping operations for the big counteroffensive are already under way, commanders here won't say if this is part of that counteroffensive. but the gains they've had around bakhmut are a huge morale boost for ukrainian troops. how does it feel to be in the battle now, and to actually, after all this time, take more territory? >> i love it actually, i love it because i'm with my family, with guys, that's my family. >> reporter: but success, not

all that's wetting appetite for victory, mounting russian atrocities fueling anger. >> we all just want to take our territory back, and get our maximum possible russian as we can. >> reporter: do you think the russians understand that? >> no, i don't think so. they are going to get killed, all of them. >> reporter: it's going to be a tough fight for you though. >> yeah, also, but we are ready for this. it's our land. >> reporter: as we leave there are more explosions. then this. we don't ask. we just run, and keep running. hero we're hearing a drone so we're running. they've got their armored troop transporter ready. getting back in now, drones ahead, more artillery coming. it's ancient soviet equipment, more modern nato armor busy

elsewhere on the battlefield. >> there's going to be years of warfare like this. taking back all those lost miles. >> reporter: nic robertson, cnn, eastern ukraine. we're monitoring the rest of ukraine. joining us from london, salma, tell us about those russian drone attacks. >> reporter: the news breaking about an hour ago, kim, the ukrainian air force says overnight it was able to intercept 17 out of 21 russian drones, the drones that did hit their targets or hit locations fell in a city that is between lviv and kyiv, all the way in the west of the country, an area relatively considered safe. a reminder, kim, even far from those front lines people are

suffering, russian projectiles are hitting civilian areas. but to those front lines you saw that excellent reporting from our nic robertson on the ground in bakhmut. now this extraordinary admission from russia that it has had to pull back. it says this is a strategic withdrawal but we do have video to show you that cnn geolocating showing this hasty retreat by russian forces. this video i believe was shot on may 11th. of course you have this division, this very public spat on the ground with the head of the wagner group. saying look this was not a tactical retreat. he called it a fight. fw blaming russia's defense ministry, saying they're facing losses, all of this playing out as a major gain for president zelenskyy ahead of the expected counteroffensive. take a look how he addressed it during the nightly address.

>> translator: what is important to understand now in their minds is the occupiers are already for defeat. they have already lost this war in their minds. we must put daily pressure on them so that their sense of defeat turns into their retreat. their mistakes, and their losses. >> so, again, you see there ukrainian forces really fortifying strengthening their positions all along that front line, particularly in bakhmut, ahead of this expected push, this expected counteroffensive, kim. >> all right, thanks so much, salma abdel aziz, appreciate it. volodymyr zelenskyy is expected to hold talks with the italian prime minister in rome today. he could meet with pope francis during his visit. that meeting would happen two weeks after the vatican said it was involved in a peace mission to try and end the war in ukraine. turkish voters head to the polls on sunday in what could be one of the most important elections in recent history.

we'll have a live report from istanbul just ahead. please, stay with us.

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>> welcome back to all of you watching us here in the united states, canada and all around the world. i'm kim brunhuber: this cnn newsroom. ron desantis is acting a lot like a presidential candidate for someone who has yet to declare. he was in illinois friday rallying crowds ahead of a possible announcement he indeed plans to run. coming hours we'll see him hold duelling events in iowa with top republican candidate donald trump as both men reach out to voters in the first caucus

state. >> reporter: donald trump is already looking ahead to the general election, and a second term. >> just winning again and straighten out our country. >> reporter: before any of that he must first get through a republican primary and a fresh field of challengers, including florida governor ron desantis. >> is this trump country or what? >> reporter: after circling one another for months the two rivals are headed to a showdown today in iowa where the republicans will kick off voting in a presidential contest early next year. >> we must reject the culture of losing that's infected our party. >> reporter: desantis is pose poised to enter the race in june on a pledge to help the gop start winning again. >> if we let the election be about anything else, and let biden skate by with no accountability, republicans will lose. >> reporter: the question is whether he can prove he's the right man for the job. since his maiden voyage in iowa two months ago lofty expectations for his candidacy have leveled off, and trump has

consolidated early support from many republicans as he works to take command of the race. >> i'm leading desangt moanus by a lot. >> the republican voters will have a lot to say not the end, the beginning of the race that is still taking shape. already, a new season of attack ads is under way, with allies of trump and desantis engaged in an extraordinary exchange of insults and accusations. >> ron desantis loves sticking his fingers where they don't belong. and we're not just talking about pudding. desantis has his dirty fingers all over senior entitlements, like cutting medicare. >> reporter: at issue a debate over reforming social security and medicare, emerging as a central issue and scare tactic in the 2024 campaign. >> trump would fight democrats, not lie about governor desantis. what happened to donald trump?

>> reporter: after signing a flurry of new laws desantis is holding up his deeply conservative record on education, abortion and more. delighting supporters and alarming critics. >> bold leadership and an assertive agenda can beat the left and we have beaten the left. >> reporter: for many republicans the florida governor has stood as a beacon of hope for those who admire trump, but are eager to move on. the challenge is whether he can become the candidate many republicans have been waiting for. now, the dynamic between these two rivals is so interesting. it was only after donald trump learned ron desantis would be spending the week in iowa that he, too, decided to schedule a rally on saturday. clearly, trump sees desantis as his leading rival. but we should point out this is the very beginning of the republican primary race. other candidates already in the race, others yet to get in. voting does not begin for at least seven months, perhaps even longer. so this race is only getting

started. jeff zeleny, cnn, washington. ♪ turkey is facing a water shed moment this weekend in one of the most pivotal national elections in a generation. voters will decide among the three remaining presidential candidates, including incumbent recep tayyip erdogan. if no one gets 50% of the vote, a runoff held may 28th. 600 seats in parliament, the outcome could profoundly effect turkey's role in nato, its relationship with the eu, migration policy and ukraine conflict and tensions with greece and cypress over sovereignty. sunday's election will be a crucial test for erdogan who has an outsized influence with turkey's standing in the world and himself as a maverick with the nato alliance. here's our report. >> reporter: turkey closed down

this waterway to russian warships when the war in ukraine started, and it is through here the ukrainian grain flows to world. it was turkish president recep tayyip erdogan's ultimate balancing act. it allowed him to play mediator, and broker a key grain deal between neighbors, unlocking ukrainian exports and helping to avert a global hunger crisis. over the years turkish foreign policy has come to resemble the country's president, its combatted with a personal touch. erdogan has carved out essential roles for himself and his country on the world stage. he meeted out soft power with turkish soap operas and launched a spree of missions ignored by the west. erdogan backed that with large investments in a growing defense industry that's made turkey one of the world's top drone manufacturers. this key nato member has had an

uneasy alliance with its western partners. erdogan's leveraged nato membership for domestically important issues. he's held up sweden's succession to nato in -- the groups turkey considers terrorists. turkey's ongoing economic crisis has some diplomatic u-turns once unthinkable. he mended ties with oil-rich regional foes, bringing in billions of dollars of investment and much needed hard currency. turkish foreign policy has been full of dramatic twists and turns, crises that may at times have been exacerbated by the president's personality. but at the heart of disagreements with allies our national interests that will remain unchanged, no matter who emerges victorious in the most consequential of elections for a country that wields power and influence far beyond its borders. >> and joanna joins me now from

istanbul. what's the mood there on the ground in turkey? >> well, kim, final hours of campaigning here that will come to an end 6:00 p.m. local time, and you've got both sides really upbeat, really -- their masses are galvanized. we have seen president -- the presidential candidate for the opposition campaigning in the capital where last night he drew massive crowds under the reign, continuing to campaign there. you've got president erdogan campaigning in his home city, istanbul today and this is what we've seen the past few weeks, the two sides still managing to draw the large, large crowds across the country when they are out campaigning, real reflection of the deeply polarized country that turkey is right now, and

also the really tight race. this is the toughest challenge that president erdogan has faced in a campaign when running for elections in the past two decades. what you have right now is an opposition very, very diverse opposition, left, right, centrist, conservatives, seculars, all coming together with one aim, and that is to unseat president recep tayyip erdogan. they are campaigning on a platform that is offering people change. they want to reverse the policies of the past few years. they want to take this country from what they say is one man rule back to a parliamentary system. they want to reverse everything from foreign policy, economic policies, and really telling people that this is the time that they want to revive turkish democracy. and tomorrow it is the turkish

people who will decide. they are looking at two very different candidates, two very different visions for the future of this country and the stakes couldn't be any higher, people here would tell you that this is a vote that will decide the future direction their country will take, kim. >> it will be fascinating to watch, joanna in istanbul, thank you so much. for our international viewers, watch cnn's special live coverage of the 2023 turkey elections hosted by becksy anderson this sunday at 7:00 in the evening in london, 9:00 p.m. in istanbul and right here on cnn. days after his dramatic arrest on corruption charges set off a wave of angry protests, former pakistani prime minister imrahn kahn is out of custody. supporters celebrated after he was granted bail and released. authorities are barred from arresting kahn on any charges until monday. he warns he won't be responsible

for the reaction of supporters if he's arrested again. will ripley has more. >> pakistan's former prime minister imrahn kahn has at least some time at home now to meet with his supporters, his advisers, and his wife who he says now also is facing criminal charges along with a long list of senior officials in mr. kahn's party, the pti, who have been rounded up and arrested, including a spokeswoman who appeared right here on cnn on tuesday, now locked up along with a lot of others who have been publicly calling these corruption charges against kahn bogus, saying it's being fabricated by a government that's working essentially for the military. that's what kahn says. he blames the army chief for his arrest, and he said that on friday, so, in addition to these strings of senior pti arrests,

kahn believes more charges against him will come up suddenly and that he will be taken back into custody. he knows it's going to happen. only a matter of time. so, we'll see as far as that goes. now, that could also have an impact, of course, on these protests across the nation, which have turned violent and have turned deadly, and fears are really growing here because the pti has been calling for peaceful nationwide protests, yet a lot of the supporters of this party, supporters of imrahn kahn, they're young, they are passionate, according to those on the ground who have lived in this story, and covered mr. kahn over the decades. keep in mind. he's an icon in pakistan who's been in the public eye since the 1970s, first as a cricket player, and then as a politician. but his platform, ironically, is anti-corruption, and rule of law and now he's the one facing corruption charges. if his young passionate supporters clash with the soldiers called in to keep the peace and keep in mind some of these soldiers have been fighting the war on terror that began after 9/11, so more than

20 years, a battlefield experience, very little, if any, training i'm told by journalists on the ground there, very little training in handling civilian protesters there's a lot of fear that things can get very ugly and very deadly on the streets of pakistan this weekend. will ripley, cnn, taipei. >> and we'll be right back, please stay with us. an easy way to get prebiotic, plant-based fiber.r. with the same amount of fiber as 2 cups of broccoli. metamucil gummies the easy wayay to get your daily fiber.

♪ eu lawmakers are moving closer to passing new rules to regulate artificial intelligence tools including chatgpt. this week they voted for tougher draft legislation, the bloc's a.i. act could be the world's first comprehensive solution to regulate new technology including rules over facial recognition and biometric surveillance, as part of the proposal a.i. tools will be classified according to perceived level of risk from low to unacceptable. sarah chandler is a policy

writer. thanks for being here with us. it's interesting to get a look at what europe is doing because it could influence what's happening here in the u.s. so just looking at the list of measures that they're taking, what are the two of the most important ones, do you think, i highlighted one of them, banning using bio metric id in public. what else caught your eye? >> yeah, definitely. so, also, what we have to look at in terms of the eu legislation is there's a whole list of prohibited technologies about what is considered unacceptable, in addition to facial recognition we've also seen predictive policing bans. so, the idea that a.i. systems can predict where or by whom crime will happen before it's actually happened. that is banned under the new eu a.i. act, and will be continued to be debated. another thing that is a really big win for civil society is increased transparency and accountability measures on high-risk technology.

now, what that means is that if a government or if a company is seeking to deploy a system classified as high risk. for example a.i. systems used to make decisions about welfare or access to jobs, for example, the deployer of that system, the company or the government using that system will have to declare public information about using that system, and also show that how it would mitigate the potential human rights impacts. >> yeah, and predictive policing that you mentioned there, something that's been a hot button topic here in the u.s. and it's certainly being used extensively in some cities. what are two of the most important misses here, do you think, what wasn't included that you think should have been? >> definitely, so we've been looking into the uses of a.i. at the border, particularly of trying to predict where illegal migration is happening, and also discriminatory risk profiles of migrants. we think that a.i., in these contexts should be prohibited as well. and that's particularly crucial

for preserving the right to asylum, and general rights of migrants. that was not included in the list of prohibitions. >> yeah, interesting. >> another flaw -- another flaw is the need for more accessibility requirements for people with disabilities, many a.i. systems are increasingly used, and yet developers have not always had them -- taken the right steps to ensure that everybody can use these systems and including people with disabilities. >> and what about chatgpt? i mean, that certainly is something that's been in the headlines a lot here, raised a lot of eyebrows as people sort of come to terms with what -- with their capabilities. how would chat bots be regulated? >> so chat bots are regulated in two particular ways, number one, the draft legislation would require you to be informed if you're interacting with a chat bot, which is already important, an important measure against disinformation or people being tricked into thinking that they are speaking to a human. so that's one step.

but also, the legislation seeks to try to address the underlying issues with big large language models, underlying chatgpt. there are massive environmental impacts when you develop those systems, but also there are labor exploitation issues, what this legislation seeks to do is require big companies like open a.i. or like google, for example, developing those systems to disclose more information exactly about the level of compute needed, which is a massive issue, and that's a bit more of an underlying issue that's often ignored in a conversation about chatgpt. >> it's not something i've ever thought about in all of the implications here. now, in terms of the companies that, you know, if they were to break the rules it seems as though the punishment would be more than just a slap on the wrist, right? >> definitely. so, for some of the -- some of the requirements in the legislation, there is a fine that could actually potentially go up into the millions.

so there's potential real accountability that is at stake here, but that depends on how the final piece of legislation is negotiated. which will probably happen at the end of this year. >> yeah, before we go, i want to ask you this. because this is vital for the u.s. i mean, the eu isn't a huge developer of a.i. technology but certainly what happens in europe often, you know, gets passed down to the u.s., things like privacy issues, online and so on, what's happened in europe has affected what's happened here in america, and in canada, elsewhere, so how do you think that what is happening in europe might trikle down and we might see some of that regulation be replicated elsewhere? >> we call it the brussels effect, so legislation passed in the eu gets passed on across the world. the main message for the u.s. is to look for the eu in terms of the human rights centered approach the european parliament

is trying to take. it's looking at issues like racial discrimination, migrants rights and all of these things are often underlooked in the question about technology development. i think that's a really big learning and message i would take to u.s. regulators. they are looking to look at regulating technology. it's not just all about the profits that can be made, it's about the people too. >> excellent point. we'll have to leave it there. appreciate getting your insights on this. sarah chandler, senior policy adviser at european digital rights, appreciate it. hours away from the final of one of the world's favorite song contests, euro vision will have more on what to expect and who are the favorites after the break. please stay with us. yoyour dishwasher is full,an let t finish quantum clean your dishes. if the stains aren't gone, your lasagna is on finish.

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