could hurt, he turned his fury on the office. broken glass, destroyed computers, some furniture. >> that's congressman gerry connolly speaking after a man attacked staffers at his field office in his district. the suspect now under arrest this morning and the congressman says his staffers have non-life-threatening injuries. one was just on her first day on the job. we are going to get started with the five thins to know for this tuesday, may 16, 2023. president biden set to meet with hu house speaker kevin mccarthy as time is running out to lift the dimt limit and avoid a catastrophic default. >> expecting a crucial vote on an abortion ban in north carolina. republican state lawmakers are trying to override the democratic governor's veto and push it through. >> also this morning, congress is going to be taking a hard look at the dangers of artificial intelligence. the man behind the groundbreaking but controversial

chatbot known as chatgpt is going to be testifying on capitol hill just hours from now. >> also, in ukraine a top chinese diplomat set to arrive in the capital on a peace mission. his visit comes after russia launched a huge barrage of missiles overnight and drones against the ukrainian capital. >> and the nba conference finals begin tonight. lebron james and the los angeles lakers will take on two-time mvp nikola jokic and the denver nuggets. "cnn this morning" starts right now. all right. here is where we begin. president biden will meet with members leaders of congress today trying to get some sort of progress on a debt ceiling teal. treasury secretary janet yellen reiterating the u.s. could default on its debt two weeks from now in a letter to howard liebengood the treasury will no longer be able to satisfy the government's obligations if

congress is not acted to raise or suspend the debt limit by june 1. house speaker kevin mccarthy echoed yellen's urgency in the halls of congress yesterday. >> i appreciate the president finally willing to talk after 97 days, but there is no movement. we are only a couple weeks away and if you look at the timeline to pass something in the house and senate, you got to have something done by this weekend and we are nowhere near any of that. >> mccarthy added he believes president biden needs to remain focused on the negotiations. of course, he has an upcoming scheduled trip to asia, set to depart tomorrow. president biden said he is optimistic they will reach a deal this week. joining us is republican congressman nancy mace of south carolina who serves on the house oversight and house services committee. the clock is ticking on it. it seems like lawmakers are running out of time with house speaker kevin mccarthy saying that he doesn't seem very

optimistic whether or not a deal is in the future. he said when he became speaker he would give republicans 72 hours to review legislation and president biden is scheduled to go on that trip tomorrow. are you optimistic they can reach an agreement this afternoon? >> i think it's deeply problematic given the trajectory that we are on flight and how close we are to june 1 deadline that the president is traveling out of country. he should be here on the hill working with republicans and democrats to strike some sort of a compromise because guess what? both parties, republicans and democrats, got us into this mess and both sides need to come together and show the american people how they are going to get us out of it. leading the country right now is not where he should be. he should be here and they should be working something out to balance a budget, rein in spending, something reasonable that both sides can agree to. >> you think that the president should not take his trip to asia and instead stay inside the

united states for these talks? >> absolutely not. he needs to show the american people that he cares, that it's not just about tweeting some stuff about republicans and how bad we are. he needs to sit town and work with us. guess what? this is a nation divided. this is a nation with $32 trillion in zet. $8 trillion added by donald trump. 4 trillion added by joe biden over six years. that's $12 trillion. it's insane to me that we are having this argument on twitter and on the airwaves and we need to get into a room with both sides and figure this thing out. i mean, i have a plan to balance the budget in five years. a bit aggressive. it's called the penny plan. but, heck, i would take 20 years at this point. just get it done. >> you said what respects have already passed when that came to spending cuts didn't go far enough in your view. i know a lot of lawmakers, republicans, vote today pass that because they just wanted to get something started and opponents to say here's what we

passed, what is the white house going to do here. if kevin mccarthy reaches a deal with president biden, can republicans get something that is a watered down version of something you said didn't go far enough passed? >> right. if you look at the plan over the next ten years, 47 trillion versus 52 trillion with a clean debt ceiling, these are very mild cuts and they weren't going to the budget, go far enough or long enough. i think we will have to see what that deal looks when it comes back. i am always wanted to start from the strongest position, a position of strength, because you know you are going to lose people or lose votes or lose different portions of a bill when it goes into the senate or negotiating with those across the aisle. that was my concern. my concern also is that neither side is gonna hold the other accountable, we are going to keep spending into oblivion until we are broke. guess what? we are pretty much broke right now which is where why we need to take it seriously, i would

like to see a plan that balances it out in five years i would take 20. that's a huge compromise and it can be done. >> you believe republicans depending what they come to what agreement they could potentially come to be prepared to get less here? >> right. and you're gonna -- we have to be prepared to get less. we also have be prepared to figure out how we gets vote on the other side. it's a slim majority. nobody wants to shut the groft down. nobody wants to see that happen. you know, finding a way to work together. that's one of the things that the american people want from us is even when we disagree is finding a path forward. and we are not -- we are not yet there, doesn't seem like. >> you know as well as i do what it would mean if the u.s. defaulteden its debt as we both noted the time, 15 days away from when the treasury secretary is warning that could happen. last week i interviewed former president trump about his position on what he believes republicans should do. this is what he said about the

u.s. defaulting on its debt. >> i say to the republicans out there, congressmen, senators, if they don't give you massive cuts, you're gonna have to do a defeat. >> the u.s. defaulting would be massively consequential. >> you don't know. it's psychological. it's really psychological more than anything else and could be very bad, could be maybe nothing, maybe you have a bad week or a bad day. >> what did you make of that? >> well, no one wants certainly the united states to default. and that -- its my opinion that is not on the table. in terms of temperatures iran we collect annually 11 times the interest on the debt. we on the hill and d.c. would have to prioritize our spending. default in my opinion is not on the table, should not be the table, the consequences globally will be very, very negative in the u.s. and aboard. we don't have to unless the president wants us to. if that were to happen, we somehow don't strike akil by

june 1 we have to prioritize spending. no one wants to see cuts to associate security oravetz or medicare, medicaid, but you have to prioritize spending and put things on the back burner if we could that. >> the white house made clear they don't want to see a default, the nation default on its debts. you are also a member of house oversight. we heard from the chair of that committee congressman comer on sunday speaking about one of the investigations that the oversight committee has underway. this is what he said on sunday. >> well, unfortunately we can't track down the informant. we're hopeful that the informant is there. the whistleblower knows the informant. the whistleblower's very credible. we are hopeful that we can find the informant. ronald reagan, these informants are kind of in the spy business. so they don't make a habit of being seen a lot or being high-profile or anything like that. >> we are told that the informant that he was

referencing there is as israeli professor wanted by the u.s. for arms dealing and his claim to have incriminating information about hunter biden he has gone missing in cypress according to international press reports, his attorney has not commented to cnn. what makes the oversight committee think this person would have credible information? >> i have not spoken with the whistleblower and don't know which information he is referencing with regards to being an informant. we have multiple whistleblowers through the oversight committee, senator grassley's office, there are multiple individuals that have information. the one thing i can say about this investigation is it is real. i have seen many suspicious activity reports. we showed bank records last year and it's the sort of thing if you were to look at it, if this were any average person, looks like racketeering, looks like money-laundering and should be investigated to fullest extent of the law. if you have whistleblowers they need to be credible individuals.

it's something we are going to follow the facts wherever they leave us. if it leads to referring charges to at doj. so be it. it's important to look at it from every angle and show the american people whees truthful and what's not. >> we haven't seen any direct connection from the committee so far. we didn't see it last week in the press conference. so it doesn't appear clear you are near referring charges to the justice department. i want to make sure that's clear. short? >> yeah. we are within 100 days of having subpoena power. this is the tip of the iceberg. none of this happens without joe biden. i mean, we are talking about tens of millions of dollars up to nine biden family members now, grandchild, these f nieces, nephews, current wives, ex-wives, brother, son, you know, it just -- when you look

at it from the outside, if it's not illegal, it should be, enriching themself, meetings with hbcus business associates and colleagues and those sorts of things. datly malik beasley saying this should be investigated and follow the facts which is what we need to do with an unbiased hand. i call the balls and strikes on both sides of aisle and this is real. >> is there any evidence that president biden had any knowledge of this that your committee has so far? >> well, he denied there was any communist chincoteague money coming into the shell correspondents and that was lie. he said that during the 2020 election. again, this is his family tree. they were enriching themselves off of him. some family members appear to possibly be paying joe biden's bills in the past. it doesn't happen without joe biden. it doesn't happen without hunter biden's getting access to the white house. none of that happens. and they enrich themselves with tens of millions of dollars. these were adversary from china,

corrupt romanians, russia, and the list goes on, and it's something we neat to investigate and if charges need to be brought we should refer them to the doj because we have to hold both sides accountable when they break the law or are unethical. that has to happen because both sides have corruption issues. they are not perfect. >> i should note we haven't seen any evidence directly linking pleb to this and there is a u.s. attorney that is investigating hunter biden that was a u.s. attorney who was appointed by former president trump. congresswoman nancy mace thank you for your time. we will see what progress the white house and republicans make when it comes to lifting the debt ceiling. >> thank you. also a new report released by special counsel john durham con includes the fbi should never have launched the 2016 russia investigation in the first place. durham picked by the trump administration writes that the over 300-page report details a four-year probe which yielded very little in terms of

prosecutions. he adds, quote, the fbi used raw unanalyzed and uncorroborated intelligence and information that did not support the narrative of a coloose i have relationship between trump and russia. this is at odds with the finding that it was a legitimate reason to open this investigation. so let's talk about it with cnn senior law enforcement analyst andy mccabe, former deputy director of the fbi and importantly oversaw the crossfire houston probe into trump in 2016 and andy your name is this report almost 60 times. 58 times. good morning. >> morning. >> in your words you were "deeply involved in the decision to open the investigation. john durham says you shouldn't have launched it. what's your response? >> he is wrong. that's not just a me that says that. every other entity that's investigated our activities in

2016 agrees and that's as you mentioned the doj, inspector general michael horowitz as well as the senate intelligence committee led at the time by a republican. so this is -- this report, poppy, stands an anomaly. i have i know own near as as to why. i don't think this investigation was legitimate from the inception. >> why? >> because simply because john durham made clear from the very beginning shortly after he was appointed exactly what he was going to conclude. he made public remarks indicating that he thought that had possibly broken the law and inappropriately investigated the president which is an odd thing for a then u.s. attorney to do at the beginning of an investigation. echoed the sentiments of his boss, william barr, attorney general at the time. i don't think it's surprising where the report came out. it's disappointing and it continues to fuel a false

narrative about alleged fbi malfeasance that continues to this day seven years after the events in question. but, you know, as i said i'm not surprised. >> i will note at the time he was appointed by bill barr democratic senator of connecticut where durham practices chris murphy told cnn he had a quote reputation of being apolitical and serious. so among the things that he concluded he says the fbi under your purview in the investigation displayed a lack of analytical rigor, that's a quote, and quote raw uncorroborated information to launch the investigation. the accusation that you used different standards for which to launch this as opposed to probe into hillary clinton. what's your response? rjts yeah, that's entirely inaccurate. you have got a lot packed into that question. i will address a couple of those points, if that's okay. the investigation was initiated

not based on raw, uncorroborated intelligence, but on significant understanding and awareness of what the russians were doing in their multipronged effort to influence the 2016 election. we knew the russians had been targeting us in cyberspace. we knew the russians had been going after and stealing electronic information from our political institutions, from government institutions for over a year until the beginning of 2016. we knew they targeted the dnc and ex fill rated an enormous amount of information about hillary clinton and knew that russians used that information in an effort to impact the election by releasing those emails on the eve of the democratic national convention. we only found out later at the end of july that prior to weaponizing that information they had made essentially an offer to the trump campaign that they have information about hillary clinton and they would use it to benefit the trump

campaign. so with that understanding of what the russians were doing, we had the question, the very real and very significant question of whether or not members of a domestic political campaign had conspired with or taken assistance from the russians. we didn't know in they had. we didn't know who that might have been but we knew it was something that had to be investigated. that's the opening of the case that, as i said, the ig and or investigative entities approved of that action in hindsight. >> he included in the report the disparaging text messages former president trump. i'll highlight this one. this was in august 15, 2016, about two weeks after the investigation was launched between two key team members, peter strzok and lisa page. i want to believe the path you threw at for consideration in andy's office that there is no way, he, trump, gets heelected t

we can't take that risk. that's like having an insurance policy you are going to die before you are 40. you told anderson cooper that was objectionable and unfortunate. is there a lesson learned at large from the agency for exchanges like that? >> think there is a lot for the agency and certainly those two individuals involved in those communications. if you are asking me did the agency learn they should monitor the private communication of all their employees to safeguard against the -- occurrences like this, no, i don't believe that's true. but there is no place in the fbi for people involved in an investigation to be approaching that work from a politically motivated standpoint. i can tell you at no time did i or anyone to my knowledge understand that peter strzok or lisa page were having those sorts of conversations. neither of the two of them ever gave me or anyone else that i am

aware of any indication that their work on this investigation was being influenced by their professional -- by their personal opinions. so -- and that stands to this day. >> and just to put a button on it because of the point you made up in terms of not letting anything in terms of personal, political beliefs interfere, it's interested durham suggested creating a sort of position for a non-partisan fbi lawyer or agent who would essentially step in and oversee and help put checks on anything that would be deemed a politically sensitive investigation. do you think that's a good idea? >> it's not a bad idea but i don't think it's necessary. i mean, look, that person, that role, that voice exists in the fbi to this -- today. and that's the general counsel of the fbi. and it's staff of the general counsel's office, including dozens of attorneys who do

nothing but advise the fbi on the implications of their national security work. those people, jim baker, who is general counsel at the time, and many of the lawyers who work for him were present in all of the meetings in which opening this investigation and conducting this investigative matter were discussed. and we had those conversations about what the implications would be, the legality of what we were doing, the authority behind the steps that we were taking. those conversations happened. if mr. durham in and a failure to come up with any other significant recommendations is suggesting that the fbi should have another lawyer, i think that's great. they should have enough lawyer. i am sure they have plenty of work to do. but that oversight he is suggesting has always taken place in the fbi. >> andrew mccabe, thank you very much. obviously, you are critical on this investigation. appreciate you answering questions this morning. >> sure thing. thanks, poppy. we are getting new details about a mass shooting that

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. sad news to report. new details on a deadly mass shooting in farmington, new mexico. an 18-year-old gunman killed three and wounded six others, including two police officers before being shot and killed by police. the gunman used three guns, including an ar-style rifle and according to authorities roamed a roughly quarter mile area shooting and firing randomly. natasha chen is following it and joins us this morning. we know there is not much information being released yet, but what have you learned? >> yeah, poppy, the police chief released a video posted to facebook last night where he described police arriving on scene within five minutes of the initial call. there were six people injured in addition to the three people killed. of those six, two of them were members of law enforcement, one of them a farmington police officer who the chief said was

treated and released now. the other was a state police officer who drove himself to the hospital and is doing okay. so they have non-life-threatening injuries. the chief described this as one of the most difficult and horrific days farmington has ever experienced. here he is talking about investigating the motivation here. >> we are doing the best that we can to piece through and talk with family members of the suspect. piece through what was going on, look at the evidence to see if we can figure out what the motivation was. but at this point it appears to be purely random that there was no schools, no churches, no individuals targeted. >> he says this was a wide and complex scene where the shooter shot at least six houses and three cars as well. we are talking about three weapons used as you said.

one of them, the chief said, an ar-style rifle. we are expecting a press conference later this afternoon, hopefully, with more information. >> thank you for following that. also this morning, sources tell cnn florida governor ron desantis is days away from announcing his bid for the white house before the end of the month. one of the candidates officially in the 2024 race is here in studio. former arkansas governasa hutch. t we could trust. that's service the way wewe want it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite repeplace. ♪

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than he is in the polls. i am doing much better against him ron is not a winner. desantis responded to that comment from trump. >> we have had three election cycles in a row where we have had core results. that's just the facts. and then 2022, the circumstances were probably never better for our party in the last 10, 15 years. it was an historic underperformance across the board. i am not sure what he is saying that his candidates did well in the midterms. if that were the case, we would have 54 senate seats. >> joining us now one of the republicans that desantis will likely soon be running against republican presidential candidate and former arkansas governor asa hutchinson. good morning and thank you for joining us. nice to have you here on set. desantis has a point about the 2022 midterms and what those looked like for republicans, does he not? >> he is absolutely right. you could take states like arkansas and we did well, we grew our republican majority.

iowa did. so there is different states that did well. overall, we kpnt meet expectations and he is right that much of that responsibility lies with donald trump. whenever you look at the fact that losses in 2020, 22, h candidates do well and he engaged himself in an ineff ineffective way. the message is if we're going to win in 2024 we need to have new leadership, we need to move a different direction. we have to be able to attract independents and suburban voters with our message and we can codo it with the challenges of the biden economy. people are struggling today. to me that's the -- where people trust the republican leadership and i want to make the case on the economy that we have to control federal spending. i'd like to reduce civilian federal employment by 10%. we'd like to be able to make sure that we're strong, we control the border.

these are messages that are important for average americans. i hope that's what we can focus on. >> i think a lot when we are talking about desantis about this fight that he has taken up, now that lawsuits with disney, and where you think the role is in the republican party if there is a role for big government all of a sudden and private corporations. obviously, walmart is based in arkansas. would you ever respond to walmart taking a position you disagreed with as governor the way that ron desantis has for disney's position? >> i don't think government should be about punishing businesses because they say something we don't agree with. that's not the role of government. that's what the left tries to do. we shouldn't try to do it. >> that's what desantis is doing. >> well, and i disagree with that totally. let me make that very clear. while i disagree with much of what disney has said or taken a

position on an issue, i don't think government should be about punishing someone because of a position that they took. that's not the role of government. it is not conservative. and so as governor, i'm trying to recruit industry, trying to support industry, trying to grow the private sector, not punish them with government power. and so, sure, i don't want businesses to get wrapped around the axle on woke ideology, but let's not punish them because we it disagree with them. what we've got to do is the federal government needs to stay out of, you know, the dei. we've got to stay out of pushing businesses in a leftist direction, but we shouldn't use the power of government to push businesses any direction. let them make a profit. let them provide jobs. let them grow. that's the conservative philosophy of the private sector. >> you talked about spending in washington. anyone would agree that spending

is out of control this washington. when it comes to the talks happening right now and the demands that republicans are making for cuts and the white house saying we are not going to negotiate on this though they are meeting today, the former president who is the frontrunner of the republican party right now additionally suggested letting the u.s. default last week if republicans don't get the spending cuts that they want in our town hall. is that responsible to say the u.s. should just default and imperil people '401(k)s and social security benefits? >> default is not a responsible position. the united states cannot default on its debts. and you can't take mr. trump's private business practices of declaring bankruptcy and using that as a tool and say that ought to be ablued to the federal government. we pay our debts. we keep our obligations paid. speaker mccarthy is absolutely right in trying to negotiate a framework for reducing spending

in the future. it is out of control. and president biden should very quickly say, yes, i'll agree to a framework for the future to control spending. he should agree to that. this is not an unreasonable request. in the end we have got to be able to make sure that we cover our debts. there is not any downgrade in our bonding capacity. >> i want to ask you about women and children because you said on this show back in april, i believe that you win on standing with the unborn and making it clear as to how you would help women and problem pregnancies as well. that was on a question about abortion. wh while you were governor from arkansas, your state had the highest rate of maternal mortality and third highest rate of infant mortality. in 2020 there were seven infant deaths per 1,000 live births in arkansas according to cdc. as president what would you do differently because statistics like that are not acceptable. >> no, they are not. and for that reason we initiated

expanded health care in aur rural areas to help on maternal care and help reduce the incidence of births that are unhealthy. and so we've invested in that. as a national level. we have to make sure that adoption services are available and are funded properly. we have got to make sure that we have the appropriate maternal care and we need to have the states have more flexibility in medicaid, for example, to provide those kinds of expanded services. we had to go to the administration and beg and plead give us a waiver so we can have that flexibility. and so absolutely we have to show more compassion and understanding and really help the problem pregnancies and those that are in the poorer areas of arkansas and our nation to make sure they have the health care during that pregnancy. >> on the abortion front you said you would sign a federal

abortion ban into law if elected. you want exceptions to be included in that. we were talking about nikki haley who is also running for president, she said the why idea that a republican president could ban all abortions is not being honest. what is your response? >> if you are speaking of it's very unlikely we are going to have a super majority of democrats and republicans that are going to be able to address it at the national level. i agree with that. it would take a supermajority in the senate and the president of the same party to accomplish that result. to you can talk in theory, and like i said, i would support a pro-life bill that came to my desk if it had reasonable exceptions to it and reasonable limitations. so but most likely, and i think this is nikki's point, it's going be left to the states and that was one of the outcomes that's permissible under the dobbs decision. and so each state is going to

debate this. they are going to have different standards based on their culture and what their representatives -- >> should candidates say whether or not they would sign one? she is not answering, trump is not answering that question. >> sure, i think they should, state their position on it. i'm pro-life. and while we want to make sure that we provide the care that we make sure that we have reasonable exceptions in there and if you look at the polls, exceptions, rape, incest, the life of the mother. they are very important exceptions that have to be included. but a candidate should state as to what their position is on it. that's where you get by the hurd urdles, is honesty, clarity, and really explaining and defending your position. >> yeah. former arkansas governor asa hutchinson, nice to have you. good have to have you at the table. >> good to be here.

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>> doing what? >> like it was hailing outside, you would be totally projecting. >> i can't see, your honorny. [ laughter ] >> i knew it was coming. i knew it was coming. >> check this out. [ laughter ] >> that's just par for course, by the way, on the emmy award-winning "inside the nba." kenny smith a two-time nba champion who joined the show after playing ten seasons in the league. he is adding author to his resumé. husband new book, "talk of champions" sotories of people wo made me, a look at who shaped his life. it is great to have you. last time i was with you in the middle of you guys in utah at the all-star game. that was my favorite interview of the year. i just had to be quiet and let you guys go. good morning. >> well, we do talk basketball on our show as well.

>> yeah, but then -- >> not just having things drop on us. >> that's the least of it. congratulations on the book. i understand your five children in the pandemic played a big role in you actually writing it. but i love what you said. you said make no mistakes, one of the most important people in my life was a woman. who? >> well, my mom. you know, the one thing she taught me is how to listen. i think what happens is i could hear her echoing in my ears now, kenny, listen. kenny, listen first, because what that teaches you is at times to have empathy. when you might not be as sympathetic to someone and what they are doing or going through, but you have a chance to understand why they feel that way. and i think that helped with the relationships that i have or had throughout the years with the magic johnsons, michael jordans,

charles barclays and shaq. each chapter is a named after a specific person instead of chapter 1, 2, 3, 4. >> i love that. i love that you have a different chapter dedicated to the deeply influential figures in your life. you mentioned michael jordan there. obviously, that's a chapter i feel like everyone is going to want to read about. one of the quotes in your book was about late night conversations that the two of you had and you said when you are 18 or 19 years old you have conversations that you don't have at 30. you are still vulnerable and figuring out who you are. what were those conversations like? >> well, the interesting part is to see, you're college roommates on the road, talking about your treatments and aspirations and then watch someone ascend to them and how they -- you know, talking those into light. and for me, you know, i always -- i'm the one that kinda reads a lot of self-help books and how to get better at certain

things. i thought it was from one person's perspective. and then i was writing the book and sending in chapters and i realize that the access that i had to the people, every one i was writing about had a book, written about their life. and so this is 15 chapters of self-help. so i think when people read it they will feel better about themselves, they are going to get 15 perspectives and go, oh, when i do that, that's why it worked. magic johnson does that. oh, bill russell did that. dean smith did that. when it doesn't work, oh, i understand why it doesn't work as well, because you are talking about champions and people, champions of life, not just of the sport. nor'easter. >> you said we talk basketball on the show, too. but i think some of the moguls meaningful and consequential and impactful things aside from the hilarious jokes you talk about culture, politics, about society, discrimination. i think back to 2020 you walked

off set in solidarity with the milwaukee bucks after the shooting of a nan in kenosha wisconsin. you talk about your response to shaq and charles in that moment. can you speak to the impact that had on you? it made an impact to everyone watching. >> yeah. again, i think as a country, that was a height of times where in this generation of people that we had like as a country feeling a different way and feeling certain ways, and i just felt that that day it was important not to just be a talking head, but to kind of join the march in solidarity, creating unity inside the country. for me, you know, when you talk about everyone in the book, people like dean smith, who you might not expect, my first week as a freshman, he brought me in his office. i thought we were going to talk about jump rope and lifting weight and all the things.

he said, kenny, what are you going to do on ecampus as an african american student to help african american people? and i am like, whoa. at that point, honestly, no one that wasn't of color had ever asked me a question what i was going to do for my own people. and so those echos were in my head when i walked off and i said, you know, you have to do things and also not just talk about them. you have to participate in >> it's a deep conversation to have at that time, it's meaningful. you said we do talk about basketball on your show as well. we talk about basketball on this show, too. game one tonight, who do you have? >> well, you know, it's so interesting, you know, the east coast with the -- and the west coast, it's so different. with the lakers and denver, denver to me is the most complete basketball team that's left. they have everything. they have an mvp candidate, they have great point guards, they have experience and youth, coaching, all the things together. we should win t they would be

the favorite, but the boston celtics coming up on wednesday, those guys have proven that they are the youngest duo with brett, tatum and brown, and to win in the last six years. they've been to conference finals, nba finals, even better than lebron james. they have had more success those two guys than anyone in basketball right now in the last six years. so do not count out the boston celtics. >> okay. we're going to end on king charles, and by that i mean gayle king and charles barkley for bringing their talents to cnn starting in the fall. any words of advice for your fellow host? and thanks for sharing him with us, by the way. >> well, listen, you can have him anytime you want, and sharing is not a problem. sharing is caring over here. shaq and i, ernie, will share anytime. the biggest thing i will go back to what my mom said, be a good

listener because you're not going to always be -- you need to be empathetic and you're not always going to be sympathetic or agree with what he says. that would be my advice. we started with t we will end with it. >> i texted chuck and said we only hired him because i'm such a rabid alabama fan we needed more auburn at cnn. >> kenny, the took is "talk of champions." thank you for coming on to share your morning with us and to talk about that. >> thanks a lot, guys. >> congratulations. >> it's going to be such a good book. >> i know. all right. price of new cars, the price of new cars has skyrocketed because of the global shortage the past few years that's forced many americans to keep their cars longer than they previously would have. how long? harry enten with this morning's number. pain hits fast. so get relief fast. only tylenol rapid release gels have laser-drilled holes. they release medicicine fast... for fast pain relief.

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with the low supply of new cars coupled with sky high prices we have new data that shows more americans are actually holding on to their cars a lot longer than they were before, like -- this is our data point right here. cnn's senior data reporter harry enten has been crunching the numbers including talking to poppy. what is this morning's number? >> this morning's number is 12.5 because the average car has been on the road now for 12.5 years, a figure that has gone up for six consecutive years. why are these cars staying on the road for so long? well, maybe it's because the price of a new car is way up. look at this, up to 48,000 now, that is up $11,000 from pre-pandemic in april of 2019. how about a used car? that might be a little bit better. not really, no. average used car list price up $8,000 from $19,000 to $27,000 in april of 2023.

>> $27,000 for a used car. >> that's a lot. >> yes, it's a lot. you know, one of the things that i'm interested in, the biden administration wants to get electric cars on the road, right? so the idea is, okay, do those stay on the roads longer than the combustion vehicles? actual, no, the registered cars pulled from commission over the last decade, 6.6 of electric vehicles, just 5.2% of combustion vehicles. gasoline vehicles, there are so many of them on the road 241 million to 1.5 million electric in 2021. i don't know, guys. >> when it comes to electric cars -- i feel like we talk about electric cars on the show all the time. >> i got chastised by my daughter this weekend -- my 7-year-old for not having an electric car. we have a 2012 highlander because it's still working. we almost ran out of gas. she was like, mom, if you had an electric car this wouldn't happen. >> if it gets you from point a to point b that's what's most

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