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congressional leaders back to the white house with the days to get a deal done simply running out. will either side budge before default? that economists say could be a catastrophe. so word is republican governor ron desantis is now just days away from declaring his 2024 run for president, but the new fury he is facing in florida, all this now on cnn "news central." ♪ we have new -- there are new details coming out this morning on the terrifying random shootings in farmington, new mexico. this happened yesterday afternoon and now three people are dead and six others are wounded. police are calling the shooting purely random. the gunman has not been identified but police do say he was 18 years old and he was killed by police once they

arrived on the scene. cnn's natasha chen is following this for us, she's joining us now. natasha, the randomness of this is what is so scary. what more are you learning? >> reporter: the police chief posted a video to facebook last night talking about how they are trying to investigate the motive here by talking to this gunman's family and looking at the evidence. the police chief called this one of the most difficult and horrific days farmington has ever experienced. just to go over some of the basics here, the gunman did shoot and kill three people, six others were injured. those six injured include two police officers, one farmington police officer and one state police officer. they are expected to be okay with nonlife-threatening injuries. he did use three weapons, the police chief said, including one ar style rifle. here is the police chief describing the shooter's movements. >> the suspect roamed throughout the neighborhood, up to a

quarter of a mile. at least six houses and three cars were shot in the course of the event as the suspect randomly fired at whatever entered his head to shoot at. >> reporter: he did call this devastating and unbelievable, but he also said that he was very proud of the three agencies that responded quickly within five minutes of that first call, kate. >> natasha, what are you hearing from people in the neighborhood? >> reporter: yeah, some witnesses spoke to good morning that's c america and we want to play sound for you about how terrifying it was for them. here they are. >> finding a bullet hole through your daughter's window was just like, my gosh. >> so this is the room, went through right there. >> it was traumatic to be barricaded in your laundry room with your daughter who is 1. >> reporter: so many questions that are unanswered right now

and that was the feeling of community members who actually gathered for a vigil last night. our affiliate reports that people prayed for the families of the victims, of the injured and even the for the family of the shooter. you had mentioned that the 18-year-old was killed in an exchange of gunfire with police, but also that there are just so many things left to investigate and left to figure out. so this community is really just mourning right now and waiting for more answers from police. we are expecting a press conference later this afternoon, kate. >> just the definition of senseless here. nat asia, thank you for the update. john? a u.s. congressman says two of his staffers are recovering this morning after being attacked by a man with meat al baseball bat. democratic representative gerry connolly tells cnn the attack happened yesterday at his district office in northern virginia. the staffers were taken to the hospital but have since been released. cnn has learned that the suspect who has been arrested may have been involved in another

disturbing incident that was caught on video. [ screaming ] >> all right. cnn's sunlen serfaty live in washington with the latest on this. what are you learning this morning? >> reporter: john, this was such a brazen violent attack. the u.s. capitol police at this moment say there is no known motive but the congressman in an interview with cnn says he believes this is something likely more about a mental illness. now, the suspect is 49 years old, according to his own father is citizen phrenic and has not taken his medication according to his father for three months. the congressman says the suspect contacted his office in the past before, he had reached out for help to the office for a particular issue and that the staff had certainly sensed in those conversations with him that he made some bizarre statements, but that he never made any threats like this violent attack that unfolded

yesterday. in an interview with cnn congressman connolly says it was only the quick thinking of his staff that prevented many more in his office from being injured. the congressman notably was not there at the time, but he says that the suspect entered the office filled with an out of control rage, demanding to see him. here is more of what he told cnn's manu raju. >> i don't think there is a motivation. i think we're talking about real mental illness. if you are a member of congress and your office happens to be in the federal building, the courthouse, you're going to have security, but if you are in a commercial office space like me, you have no security. none. what could go wrong with that? well, we learned the answer to that question. >> reporter: and the congressman and many others on the hill are calling now for reassessment of the security provided to the members, their families and staff and district offices. in the meantime the suspect is facing charges of one count of aggravated malicious wounding and one count of malicious

wounding. john? >> sunlen serfaty in washington. so scary for these district office workers around the country because they are there forward facing doing constituent services, nonpartisan stuff with very little security. sara? president biden will meet with congressional leaders today for a second round of high stakes talks on the debt ceiling. treasury secretary janet yellen reiterating her warning that time is running out to raise or suspend the debt ceiling before before the june 1st deadline. after that date the government will not be able to make all of its payments she said. ongoing talks between white house aides and congressional officials have been described as productive, but house speaker kevin mccarthy is not hopeful that both sides can come to an agreement before the deadline. cnn's lauren fox on capitol hill. you spoke with mccarthy this morning, we heard from biden on sunday who was hopeful. what is mccarthy saying and how is he feeling about these talks at this point? >> reporter: yeah, i asked mccarthy if he was optimistic

that today's meeting would yield a result and he told me not if things don't change, and that gives you a sense of where the house speaker is this morning. he has been down on these talks over the last 24 hours, despite the sunny portrait that the white house has been conveying over the last 48 hours. that really shows you the massive lift for lawmakers going into this meeting today, in part they can't even agree on whether or not they are making progress. staff has been meeting continuously including over the weekend for the last several days, trying to figure out what the contours of a deal would look like. meanwhile, there just isn't that much time. biden leaves tomorrow for a foreign trip. we know he can continue having conversations with key stakeholders over the phone, but it's important to remember that it takes time in the congress to pass legislation both out of the house of representatives where republicans and those on mccarthy's right flank want time to look over any proposal, and

in the u.s. senate where floor procedure just takes a lot of time. and i know that sounds very dry to folks back home, but, sara, it's so important to emphasize that they can't just snap their fingers, get a deal at the last minute and get this passed. it's going to take quite the lift and it's going to take a lot more time than we certainly have looking at that potential date of june 1st as the x date for when the u.s. could default on its debt. sara? >> lauren fox, appreciate it. live for us from capitol hill. things are getting more and more tense. >> that calendar is so important to look at. one, it looks near impossible, but they have to get it done. and this is definitely one of those scenarios where the old adage applies, nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. that said, there are some areas emerging of possible common ground. like revising the permitting process. now, both sides agree new energy projects are a priority and they want to streamline the

regulatory process but they want to do this for very different reasons. republican lawmakers they want to expand oil and gas drilling, most democrats want to focus on speeding up renewables and a move towards renewables like wind and solar projects. there's also new work requirements for certain government programs that's getting a lot more attention. a long-standing goal of republicans who want stricting standards for americans to access government benefits like food stamps and medicaid. president biden has signaled a willingness to take a look at this, but his team has said that he would not be on board with anything that would take away health coverage or push americans into poverty in their view. there's also some consensus around clawing back unspent covid-19 funding. after meeting with republican leaders on the hill last week president biden said that this was, quote, on the table. republicans suggest there's something like $60 billion left in unspent covid relief money that they could be looking at. finally the major sticking point comes down to broad-based

spending cuts and budget caps for the next really decade. republicans have proposed maxing out discretionary spending at 2022 levels for as far out as the next ten years. now, louisiana republican garret graves has said that the white house is quote -- the way he put it is pushing for a shorter window, something more like a two-year spending caps deal but other republicans say a shorter deal like that would be very difficult to accept. so this may be the lay of the land today, but there is a long way between areas of common ground and consensus and actually getting this thing over the finish line, john? new this morning a claim that a u.s. citizen died fighting in bakhmut and russia claims to hit a u.s.-made patriot air defense system in kyiv. after much speculation sources tell cnn governor ron desantis plans to launch a bid for the white house by the end of this month. and martha stewart makes "sports illustrated" history becoming the oldest swimsuit cover model ever. noring.

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on our radar this morning, 911 tapes have now been released by the city of allen, texas, they offer really terrifying detail of how the shooting at the outlet mall last week played out. in one call that was released, a woman tells the dispatcher that she's trying to help someone who was shot. listen to this. >> injuries, what's going on, ma'am? >> she's been shot. she was shot in the stomach, the abdomen. [ inaudible ]. >> the back room. >> atm. >> etienne. >> h & m. >> i'm sorry. we have a lot going on. we have a shooting victim at h & m. okay. ma'am, keep her safe, can you please press something on it to stop the bleeding. >> we did. we do.

>> okay. i have help on the way, i'm letting them know. you have to bear down. i have to keep taking 911 calls. >> it's really just terrifying. eight people were killed that day including three children. the gunman was shot and killed by police. also on our radar at this hour, the biden administration is set to announce nearly $11 billion in grants and loans to help rural america invest in clean energy. the fund something coming from the inflation reduction act and the goal is to help move electricity co-ops and electricity in rural america toward renewable energy systems as well as zero emission and carbon capture systems. and martha stewart shows us once again why she is a living legend. she is now the cover model on this year's "sports illustrated" swimsuit issue. she is now the most -- i'm going to say -- senior woman to be featured by the magazine. about this big moment martha stewart said she doesn't think about age much, but this is, quote, kind of historic. she is 81 years old.

a girl can dream, john berman, a girl can dream. >> an inspiration to us all who like swim wear. in ukraine this morning a claim that a u.s. citizen has died in bakhmut, that city has seen heavy fighting between ukrainian and russian forces for months now. the head of the pro-russian wagner paramilitary group claims a body was found with u.s. identification documents. cnn cannot identify the authenticity of those documents. also overnight ukrainian air defense says it repelled a major aerial assault by russia. ukrainian officials say waves of russian drones and cruise missiles, sophisticated cruise missiles targeted kyiv but ukraine's air defenses they say many western made took out the russian weapons. cnn's nic robertson joins us now from eastern ukraine. nic, the russians are also claiming that they took out the u.s.-provided -- a u.s.-provided patriot missile battery which would be no small thing. >> reporter: and the ukrainians

are not giving up any information on that at the moment and what they have said is that the russians are trying to find a way to penetrate the air defenses in kyiv and of course the patriot systems that have been sent to ukraine are part of what appears to be now a very hard and secure defense system around kyiv. what the ukrainians are saying here is that there was six of these hypersonic russia's fastest, ten times the speed of sound missiles, the missiles launched -- that's a warn siren that goes off regularly here -- these missiles were inn coming to kyiv, fired from aircraft coming from the north, they took them out, there were nine cruise missiles fired from the black sea coming from the south and there were three land-based s-400 missiles. this is a big missile fired from the ground coming from the east from russian territory. russia clearly doubling down in efforts to try to find a way through the air defenses around kyiv and of course they'd like nothing better than to claim that they successfully have

taken out a patriot air defense battery. there is no evidence yet to show that's correct. i think that we can add that to yevgeny prigozhin's word to have the documents of an american citizen. he speaks a lot of propaganda and nothing better than he would like right now to claim the death of an american citizen apparently fighting alongside ukrainian forces. the fight in bakhmut is intense from what we understand here and conversations i have had today the russians are literallying v.ing to take troops out of the front line in other areas, move them into bakhmut to hold back the ukrainian push we saw last week. >> claims and counterclaims, one thing remains true, though, we can tell by the air raid sirens, a very dangerous operation. stay safe. florida governor ron desantis is planning to launch his bid for the white house before the end of the this month

according to two sources. desantis vowed he would not make a decision about 2024 until the state's legislative session ended earlier this month. he's been signing bills that coincide with his anti-wokeness campaign, if you will. the latest yesterday dee funds diversity, equity and inclusion programs at all public colleges in florida. still, some republican donors aren't convinced he is their guy as gop front runner donald trump has repeatedly gone on the attack against desantis. cnn's steve con ter know is joining us. desantis was in iowa this past weekend. this wouldn't be a huge surprise, would it? >> reporter: that's right, sara. i was with him in iowa and it certainly had the look and feel of a presidential campaign, there were desantis 2024 signs, there was a team desantis for president tour bus and when i talk to people close to his campaign who have knowledge of

the plan they say an announcement is coming in the next two weeks. he is going to spend next week in south florida where he will be meeting with some of his top donors and the message to them is it's go time. but desantis is entering this race in a much more precarious position than a lot of his supporters expected when he won reelection last year. remember, he won that race by 19 points, he was the talk of the gop, he was called the future by the new york post, but polling shows that he is falling farther behind donald trump. donald trump has more than 50% of the gop votes right now according to an abc "washington post" poll, desantis firmly in second place, but well behind donald trump. when you talk to people who are -- who have run campaigns in florida, we talked to one operative who is a veteran of florida campaigns who said, quote, did he peak in january? he must prove that he didn't. people who want to see him win believe there is plenty of time for him to recapture that magic.

listen to what steve cortez said about why he is endorsing ron desantis this go around, this was someone who was a trump adviser in previous elections. >> it will not help the country's psyche or from a policy standpoint to have a rematch of the 2020 election which almost no one wants. ? er so that is one of the main arguments for desantis' campaign is that everyone in this country, or the vast majority of them do not want to see donald trump versus joe biden again when you look at polling, however, desantis still needs to convince republican voters that he is the best person to supplant trump and right now he's having a difficult time doing that. people i talked to who are around his campaign or around the campaign that is about to be announced, they say just wait, when he is in the race everything will change, sara. >> all right. steve contorno, thank you for that. it's about to heat up in a really big way there. there's also this ahead for us,

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this morning three people are dead, six others injured, police say an 18-year-old gunman randomly opened fire on in neighborhood in new mexico. the suspect was allegedly firing from three different weapons before officers shot and killed him. in washington round two of critical debt negotiations at the white house in just a few hours president biden meets with top congressional leaders including house speaker kevin mccarthy. janet yellen said the u.s. could default on its debt as soon as june 1st if no deal is reached. republicans on capitol hill are calling for new testimony today, the republican chairman of house judiciary inviting special counsel john durham to testify about his newly released report on the trump russia probe. durham released that final report on monday, a 306-page document that wraps up a four-year-long investigation and criticizes the fbi's handling of the probe saying that the fbi

should have never launched an investigation into connections between then candidate trump's campaign and russia during the 2016 election, but durham did does short of finding evidence of any broad conspiracy against trump, which trump has alleged. cnn's paula reid has much more on this. she's joining us now. there is a lot to chew through, it is 306 pages. what are people seeing in this today? >> reporter: kate, here durham goes through the steps that the fbi took in the course of this investigation and he criticizes them again and again, but he doesn't bring forth many new criticisms or really any significant new evidence. one key thing he really focuses on, though, is that he faults the fbi for opening a full investigation into possible links between the trump campaign and russia. he says that they should have proceeded with a preliminary review instead. now, that requires a lower threshold to begin, but also means that agents don't have access to more invasive tools

like surveillance warrants. he nods that, yes, they did have enough to open a preliminary review at this time but he faults them for not taking the usual steps, including not interviewing relevant witnesses, not reviewing its own intelligence databases or using any of the standard analytical tools typically employed by the fbi in evaluating raw intelligence. he says instead the fbi relied on raw, unannualized and uncorroborated intelligence to open a full-blown investigation. he also says that the fbi didn't have proof of any collusion when they opened this investigation but of course that is often the case that when you initially start investigating alleged crimes you may not necessarily have evidence of that crime at the outset. now, he did not find any evidence of a grand conspiracy against former president trump and he is not bringing forth any additional charges. so far his years' long investigation has resulted in one minor conviction and two trial losses. >> and with all of this said and

all the criticism at the fbi, how is the fbi responding? >> reporter: in a statement the fbi director christopher wray said, quote, the report reminds us why we have instituted so many reforms since that time to solidify the importance of doing the right thing in the right way every time. it's why in response to the ig, inspector general's 2019 report, we undertook more than 40 corrective actions and have since made dozens more. now, durham is particularly critical of senior fbi officials who were in office at this time, it's important to note, kate, that many of the people who were in charge at the fbi at the time this began, they're no longer there, but durham said that he believed that some people in the fbi at that time had a political bias that resulted in sort of a confirmation bias against the former president. now, i will note that throughout the mueller investigation it was republicans, trump-appointed republicans, who were in charge at the fbi and the justice

department. now, of course, this report will continue to be battered about in political circles. we know that top house republican jim jordan has asked the justice department to have durham come to testify next week. so we can expect that former president trump and his allies will continue to use these findings, however nuanced, for their political objectives, even though they did not result in the blockbuster revelations that the former president had promised. >> paula reid, thank you so much. one thing that is clear in all of this, john, is there was a long road to getting to this point. >> a long road indeed. so let's review how we got to this point in the 306-page report. quite a segue, kate bolduan. from the beginning you will remember donald trump railed against the russia probe. >> i call it the russian hoax. one of the great hoaxes. >> the entire thing has been a witch-hunt. >> it is one great hoax. >> this is a pure and simple witch-hunt. >> in 2019 trump's former

attorney general bill barr was so convinced the fbi unfairly targeted trump that he called in john durham to investigate the investigators. in all the probe cost more than $6.5 million but as paula reid noted had little success in court as paula noted durham indicted three people, they were charged with lying to the fbi, both found not guilty and a mid-level lawyer pleaded guilty to doctoring a warrant to serve a certificate warrant. as for trump he wrote his supporters this last night, the american public was scammed just as it is being scammed right now. sara? just in, new numbers show spending by american consumers rose last month after two months of declines. retail sales rose by 0.4% in april from the prior month. cnn's chief business correspondent and anchor of cnn's "early start" christine romans is here now.

all right, so this is a tiny uptick. >> yes. >> what does it mean? does it tell us something? >> just think of all of the headwinds that consumers are facing, higher interest rates, their mortgage rates are higher, their car loans cost more, every day things still cost way more than they did a year ago. then you had these bank failures and all of this this talk about a recession and what did consumers do? they kept spending, went to bars and restaurants, the radio dealership and home improvement stores and spent more in april than they did in march. it wasn't a gangbusters rote. we were worried about a softening consumer in the past few months but up 0.4% is an improvement and it shows a consumer is still moving forward. the word i keep hearing about the consumer is resilient. no matter what they are thrown, they're coming out of the covid crouch, they want to spend money on the things they want to spend money on and they have sort of better balance sheets than they have had in a long time. you know, they're racking up credit card debt, for example,

but still 54% of people are paying off their credit card debt every month. that's a good thing. we will watch this to see if there are chinks in the armor. for now the consumer moving stronger here first. >> i like how you mention the head headwinds. people see that number and think it's not that grit but there are a lot of things that could stop you or maybe you worry about your personal finances right now. speaking of finances the former ceo of silicon valley bank is expected to talk to a senate hearing today. what can we expect to learn? i'm sure that this ceo is going to be grilled. >> yes, so this is just less than a half an hour we will hear from greg becker the former ceo of silicon valley bank and he's going to say he's sorry to employees, to shareholders torques customers of silicon valley bank, but he's also going to point out that when this all started, when the fed first said that inflation was transitory, that managers of banks would have had no idea that you would see the biggest rate increases in 40 years. so he's going to talk about the fed's messaging.

he will apologize. remember that fed regulators have said that this is just bad management at some of these banks, that's what took them down. i'm sure you will hear conks members, senators actually here grill niece ceos. we will also hear from the signature bank founder and former ceo there about what went wrong with signature bank. two separate instances but both banks that were niche banks catering to a certain kind of client and suddenly the rug was pulled out. you will also hear from the silicon valley bank question that the speed of the withdrawals, he will say i don't believe any bank could survive a bank run that have velocity and magnitude far beyond historical precedence. money over using your app was flying out of that bank in other bank runs you had to stand, right, at the bank and withdraw your money. there is a whole new kind of era that technology gave, worsened this bank run. >> christine romans, i love it when you come because i always learn. >> you're welcome. >> i appreciate it. john?

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previously only heterosexual couples and single people were given full adoption rights. now to new zealand, a five in a hostile has killed six people and at least five others were injured, dozens more remain unaccounted for. hostiles are often frequented for young people looking for inexpensive ways to travel. it happened in the capital city of welington, the cause of the fire unknown. in myanmar at least 41 people are dead and dozens more with missing after a cyclone hit the nation. the death toll is expected to time significantly with at least one rescue group saying they're bracing for a large-scale loss of life there. the cyclone which barrelled into the coast on sunday is one of the strongest storms to ever hit that country. kate? one question this morning, did the tough talk work? migrant encounters at the southern border appear to be down and holding from below the surge and kind of the crush that

were feared and expected post title 42. yet this is the scene just across the border from brownsville, texas, right now. an increasing number of people camping out across the border in mexico. cnn's rosa flores is in mcallen, texas, she's been tracking this all along the way. rosa, i know that you're doing a lot of new reporting on this and speaking to a s the expected su why is it not happening? >> reporter: you know, kate, i talked to officials and also community leaders on the mexican side, so these are individuals who are talking to migrants who are in the know about what's going on, and what they tell me is that the tough talk by the biden administration is actually working. they say that migrants are getting the message that the border is closed, they're also seeing images because now the biden administration is also being more transparent, allowing reporters to take video of migrants who are shackled and

boarded on to planes and deported to their home countries, and what's going on is that these messages are being sent on social media and in what's app groups that a lot of these migrants are part of. that's how they get their information. they're not watching cnn. they are getting their news from these what's app groups and facebook and instagram. so those are the messages that they're receiving. the pictures of migrants being deported that they're seeing and on top of that they are actually listening now to mexican officials who are telling them that once title 42 lifted and title 8 was going to be used to process migrants in the united states that there's also legal consequences for them trying to enter the country illegally. one of those consequences with a five-year bar of re-entry into the united states and also that asylum ban that was passed as soon as title 42 lifted. so now they understand or that is what officials and community

leaders are telling me that migrants are now understanding that there are legal consequences and so they would rather wait in mexico, you showed that video of that camp in matamoros, they would rather wait there for -- sorry, that was a very big bird right in front of my face -- they would rather wait there for the cbp-1 app to enter the country legally than enter the country illegally only to be immediately deported. kate? >> rosa, thank you as always. the only word that can come to find is unflappable, but that is some ridiculous pun because i can't think of another one. but thank you as always, rosa. john, take it quickly, please. >> if you hadn't have used it i would. a new effort by the cia this morning, the agency has launched a new campaign aimed at recruiting russians -- russians to spy for the united states. the spy agency is targeting russians disaffected by the war

in ukraine and life in russia. alex marquardt helped break this story. alex, how is this going to work exactly and why do they think it will work now? >> reporter: well, john, how it's going to work and what the cia has done already is they've posted this video on their social media accounts, the first one they posted on is the social media app telegram and that is an app that so many russians use to get unfiltered news because of course the news media is heavily controlled by the state, but it's also, you know, russia is a country where it is very difficult without a vpn to get access to social media apps. now, john, the cia analysts who i spoke with, the officials i spoke with, said that this is now an unprecedented moment because of the war in ukraine. it is a historic and rare opportunity, they said, to try to recruit more russian spies because of how disaffected they are by the war in ukraine, because of the anger that they

feel about the repression under the putin regime. over the past year leaders of the cia have talked about how disaffected russians are and the opportunities that this presents. take a listen. >> disaffection with the war will continue to gnaw away at the russian leadership. beneath the steady diet of state propaganda and practiced repression. >> we are looking around the world for russians who are as disgusted with that as we are because we're open for business. >> reporter: so, john, open for business for the past year has meant directing russians who want to share valuable information with the cia to a portal on the dark web that they can access through the dark web browser tour. now, they have had some success with that, but now the cia is really stepping that up because they believe that there are a lot of russians out there who don't understand the value of the information that they have and who believe that it is too dangerous or too complicated to

reach out to the cia. so in their words they want to demystify that process through this new video which touches on those themes of patriotism, of fighting oppression and each quotes from tolstoy. here is a little bit of this new vi video. >> we don't have that bite, alex, but first assured it's out there, people can see it and it's fascinating to see. >> reporter: yeah, it really is. this is a two-minute-long very cinematic, very dramatic video that does not mention putin or ukraine directly, but it shows scenes of russians going out about their normal lives, questioning what they're doing. it talks about their love of country and doing the right thing for their families and living with dignity. when i asked the cia officials what kind of success they have had over the past year through

their efforts, they said they wouldn't be rolling out this new video if they hadn't had some success. in the words of one cia official i spoke with, he said contacts are coming in. john? >> it is very interesting this effort, also so interesting that they kind of want it public and everyone to know about it. alex marquardt, terrific reporting. thank you very much. sara? it was fascinating. all right. >> artificial life and how is it going to change life as we know it, and congress wants to know if it needs to step in and take action. but at the end of the day, you u know you have a team behid you that can help you. not having to worry about the future makes s it possible to make the present as best as it can be for everybody.

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this morning the man behind the company that created chatgtp is to testify before congress. he is going to speak before a senate panel on the risks that ai poses and the risks and what safeguards are needed. donie o'sullivan is here with me, and he is straight out of ireland and i will find out

exactly where you from in a moment, and we have been warned from the tech leaders that, hello, this is going to be a major game changer and a disaster for human kind, and what are they expecting to hear from sam altman today? >> this is going to be a surface level leader, and we have heard from ai and how is it going to touch every area of our lives from musician and all of the way to the national security level to the election next year. this is the first time we are hearing from altman in front of congress and he is going to be put on to spot and congress is trying to catch up to this, but so is everyone else. the speed at which this is developing is so exponentially

faster than even the social media revolution. so it took a decade before they got zuckerberg in front of them. so are they going to do anything, and we will see. they have not done anything about social media despite many, many hearings, and so we will see. >> and lots of hearings and complaints, and now i am totally freaked out by it, but i have used it. >> you should be freaked out. one thing that does stand out, and we will be hearing the zingers from the lawmakers and we have seen it in the past that not always understand the social media and ask the silly questions and we may see it today, but even atmltman, and t people who make the technology, they don't know how it works. >> it is fascinating and also terrifying. donie o'sullivan, thank you. >> robots will never replace

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