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in just an hour, a high stakes oval office meeting to raise the debt ceiling. will the months' long game of chicken finally end? or will the politics play out? we are live at the white house. plus the risk is real, but will they regulate? executives are grilling over artificial intelligence as it operates online ax and why a man who operates chatgtp calls ate printing press moment. and now, new clues of how to protect people from a disease comes down to a genetic mutation. we are following these developing stories all coming right into cnn "news central."
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one hour from now, president biden is again going to host the top four members of congress and for potential june default date, and no closer to the deal to have catastrophic outcome, and speaker mccarthy is going to tie the debt ceiling to spending cuts and work requirements and biden is going to call for the debt creeling to be dealing with the condition, and if you are going with what the two sides are saying for the two hours, the forecast gloomy, and arlette seanez is at the white house. at some point, someone has to give up something, and can we find out what the potential concessions are today? >> well, brianna, in about an hour, we should get a glimpse of where the concessions are headed as the white house is going to be hosting kevin mccarthy and other congressional leader here
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at the white house. heading into the meeting, the expectations are low that they will come out with a concrete agreement with a default. and you heard house speaker kevin mccarthy who said today, there has to be serious movement in order to avert a default, and he has not seen it from discussions, and from president biden a few days ago was painting a rosier picture as he expressed optimism with a desire to get an agreement on both sides, and this meeting was to take place on friday and they delayed the meeting so that the staff levels of discussions could continue, and they discussed in earnest, and even though they are to produce an agreement, and there are several items on the table, and sticking points on both sides, and some of the things to be permitting reform, and clawing back some of the relief funds, and some of the sticking reforms are around the spending caps and how long
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they should last as well as work requirements for some social safety programs and some of the things that have emerged today as a key sticking point for both democrats and republicans, and house speaker kevin mccarthy have said that work requirements a red line for him, and the democrats and the white house side have said they are not open to work programs to take away health care or push americans into poverty, and so that issue of work requirements is expected to come up in the meeting in about an hour. >> the president has a big trip coming up, and he is set to go to japan in an hour, and could anything shift there? >> well, certainly, they are facing a huge time constraint, and both with that june 1st, exit date, and both for president biden who is supposed to go to japan for the g7 meeting and also to papau new
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guinea and he does not want to postpone, and top issues for ukraine and china, and they are all to be discussed at the g7 summit, and the white house can be president anywhere and they expect the ongoing talks on the staff level to continue while president biden is gone. so at this moment, no exact change before he is to leave for the summit. >> arlette seanez at the white house. jim? >> ukraine is saying that they are making gains in bakhmut as we are getting video showing dramatic gains in a city that is largely destroyed. have a look.
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[ gun fire ] enormous costs for both sides in the battle. we are also learn more about the large scale wave of air attacks on kyiv by russia. russia claims it destroyed one of these, an american-made patriot defense system. a u.s. official tells cnn it was not destroyed, but likely damaged. the u.s. is still assessing. it comes as a western official and others tell me that ukrainian forces have begun to use long-range storm shadow cruise missiles and those provided by the british to strike russian targets. we reported last week that the british had delivered shadow miz sills to give ukraine longer strike ability. first to the claims that a patriot missile system has been successfully struck. where, and do we know how this
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happened? >> the short answer to that, jim, is no. as far as the ukrainians are concerned, we will never know, because they are extremely careful to keep the locations of their air defenses in particular a very closely guarded secret. on top of the secret list is the patriot missile system. they have refused to comment one way or another as we have anticipated and whether it was even hit. they are aggressive of making sure that the media for example don't al battle damage assessment, and they don't provide a running tally of what has or has not been successfully hit. two russian targeters who might be looking at it, and the russian concentration attack over it that involved the patriot missile and the ukrainians say it involved them being able to shoot down another six hypersonic missiles alongside 13 or 12 or so other
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missiles that were fired and the focused attack on kyiv is a new attack by russia to try to overwhelm the air defense batteries and not just patriot, but the large number of ther air defenses they have had from a number of nato allies. we have seen in the past the mass attacks, but they have been sustained over a period of time, and these were much more tightly focused, jim. >> notable that they are happening as well as the ukrainians are attacking more targets further into the russian territory as in the past. they had a pro russian wagner paramilitary group claims that a american citizen was killed in the fighting of the east, and what do we know, and can we take those claims as credible? >> well, the leader of the wagner mercenary group who is planning to be added to the lists for the french, and the
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british and the others as a terrorist organization has recently posted on may 16th, a video which purportedly shows them in bakhmut and the building under fire to some extent and on the floor of the building and the rubble is a dead man, and he then produces identification documents which he says indicates that this man is a foreign fighter, and foreign volunteer fighter on the side of the ukrainians, and he goes on to say that the man fought long and hard, and he needed to be treated with respect in death, and he needed to be draped with his national flag and returned to his home country, and he says that is american. we and the state department have yet to confirm his nationality, jim. >> he and others have not
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expressed their nationality. and private and other ceos are asking for government nation nationalities, and sam altman, the man who operates chatgto. >> i think that when it first came on the scene people were fooled by the photo shopped images, and then they were seen that it is photoshopped, and it is going to be like that, but on steroids and the interactivity and the ability to really model and predict humans as you talked about is going to be requiring a combination of companies doing the right thing, and public
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education. >> cnn's john sarlins is joining us and how uncommon this is to have a private sector coming forward and to have more regulation. >> a watershed moment of a bipartisan consensus when there is something with the ai and a way that the hearing is going to be done with richard blumenthal to have a sharp point. >> and now, some introductory remarks. too often we have seen what happens when technology outpaces the regulation. the unbridled exploitation of data, and the proliferation of disinformation and the deeping of the societal inequalities, and if you were listening from home, you might have thought that advice was mine, and the
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words from me, but in fact, that voice was not mine. and the words were not mine. >> so there you can see that the richard blumenthal using the ai and how powerful that technology is, and the words were not his voice, and you can see sam altman, the ceo of ai and of course, calling for his own industry to be regulated. >> and altman also said that his biggest fear of ai moving forward is the fear of manipulation and disinformation for voters in the election. john, i wanted to ask you about the piece in "the new york times" which said that researchers in microsoft is saying that ai is starting to show the signs of human reasoning, and that is terrifying.
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>> right. this is exactly why we having these hearings, and there is agi, and that is artificial intelligence when artificial intelligence supersedes human's, and they are claiming in a research paper that the artificial intelligence is approaching that, but some people are cautious of this, because it is difficult to discern when an ai is self-aware or whether it is just pretending to be self-aware, right? these are black box technologies, and we know what goes in and comes out, but we don't know how they work inside. which is just another reason that people like sam altman, the ceo behind chatgtp is calling on the cottage industry to be regulated. >> and it is the interworkings where the fear lies. john sarlin, thank you for
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report. we have breaking news on capitol hill, a vote to force people on the record on the expulsion of new york congressman george santos not expected to pass. this is a message vote. we will get to chief correspondent manu raja who is on this, and significant even if it does not pass, because you have been standing behind george santos. >> yeah, and this is meant to put republicans in a spot that is being offered by a democratic member of congress robert garcia, a freshman from california offering this resolution that essentially forces a vote and puts onus on the republican leadership to make a decision, and vote to expull george santos, or vote to table the resolution which is procedural vote to kill the resolution. now, in order to expel a member of congress, you need a 2/3 majority in the house of representatives do it. they don't have a 2/3 majority
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to do that unless the republican leadership decided it is time to kick george santos out of congress. and to table it, it means all but four would have to vote to kill the resolution which could put some members in the difficult spot given a number of members believe he should not be with the widespread fabrications of the past, and the number of criminal indictments with a whole wide range of issues from the past, and the republicans may have to decide whether to side with george santos or suggest that he should be given some time to fight these charges. so all of that is still playing out, but at the moment, that is an announcement just made by this freshman democratic congressman garcia to force this vote on the house floor. we will see when it happens and the way the nature it is proposed, it has to have a procedural vote or a vote on the
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merits, and we will see how it shakes out. >> can you explain it a little bit, manu, because you have entirely possible four republicans who are not sticking their neck out for george santos, but not enough for democrats to expel him, but not enough to clear the house floor, and how does that work? >> well, it is a great question, because say that plays out, that there are not enough republicans to table the measure or the kill the measure, and if four say they don't want to kill the measure, they have to vote on the underlying measure of the merits and meaning the expulsion and remaining resolution, and that is what the majority would come in, the 2/3 to expel him, and that would force the republicans and the democrats to take another vote on george santos, and something that the republican leadership does not want to do at all. there are questions of the exact timing of all of this, and perhaps later in the week, that is when this would play out, but the votes have just ended here,
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and the members are filing out, and trying to get a sense of the timing of all of this, and i did try to ask george santos of the criticism of his own party that he should not be a member of congress any more, and george santos just walked into the capitol. >> if not for the slim majority, the speaker would not be standing behind him, but with the slim majority comes this tricky situation. manu raja on capitol hill. thank you. more confusing drama there on capitol hill. a deadline that we have warned about months ago and how did we get here? we will have more on that next. up next, home depot is lowing the yearly outlook as consumers are lowering the spending. that is an economic bellwether, and you are watching cnn "news central." that enable digital innovation and enterprise controlol,
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" and just over two weeks, the u.s. could run out of cash to pay its bills causing a default that could lead to a global economic meltdown. the president is set to be meeting with top lawmakers to avoid that outcome, but how do we get this close to calamity in
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the first place? well, it is months in the making. the treasury first warned of a looming default in january. that is when the white house called on congress to raise the debt ceiling without conditions, and something that congress has done dozens of times before, but not this time. this time the republicans are playing hardball to pair the increase with spending cuts. so when biden and speaker mccarthy first met on february 1st, there was not much common ground to find. for months the president has refused to negotiate on the debt limit, so mccarthy and the house republicans decided to go it alone. in april they passed a house bill to pair it with hefty spending cuts. it was a nonstarter for the white house. then days later, secretary janet yellen said that the default could be june 1st, but neither side budged. then president biden hosted kevin mccarthy and three others
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for debt ceiling talks, but still no movement. that brings us to today and the vastly divergent outlooks of what to expect at this afternoon's meeting. >> i appreciate the president's willingness to talk after 97 days, but there is no movement with only a couple of weeks away. and looking at the time to pass something in the house and senate, and we have nowhere near any of that. >> i remain optimistic, because i am a congenital optimist, but there is a willingness on both of our parts to do it. >> and let's discuss these critical negotiations with the chief of staff and the co-leader of the washington's national tax office and under president biden and seth harris who is a fellow at the burn center for change,
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and you were here last week, and you had a good feeling for the first meeting between president biden and the congressional leaders and since then, you heard the divergent leaders and how are you feeling now? >> i feel good that you will be in the x-date, and we got that, but we did not get date, and it might have been from june 1st, and we need a hard deadline, and we go over the cliff on this day, and force action, but i still feel like we are making progress, and speaker mccarthy says what he is saying, and this is going to be hard, and we are not going to be what we are getting, and it is going to be challenging, but it feels like a victory to get what we want to get, and it is going to be available. >> they feel that he did not fight hard enough? >> right.
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>> and seth, what are you looking out of the meeting today that there is reason for optimism? >> you want to have the feeling that speaker mccarthy is moving to the issues that they are discussing and also a signal from the republican caucus that he is going to deliver the votes, and he is going to deliver it, and then the extreme ultra maga right group that is not going to vote for anything, and then some members in the biden districts who are going to find it difficult to vote for work requirements and the safety net programs, and we'd like to see that speaker mccarthy can make a deal that he can live up to. and we are hoping to get a deal to the party, and what the range of the agreement s and it is matter of whether or not speaker mccarthy can deliver. >> and we saw the risks exposing it. and it is a difficult challenge,
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and you have spoken out about your desire to see the room shrink, and this is a negotiation between specific party, and who needs to be out of the room. >> and the parties who have a deal with the party, and the deal gets done, and the white house had a party, and the house proxy, and so face it whether or not the congressional democrats are a wholly subsidiary of the white house, and they will disagree with that, and the truth of the matter is that it is a president of the party, and the president is going to agree to something like it, and it is a vote of no confidence in the administration, and so it is going to take on a much bigger feel than i like this or i don't like this, and they are going to get every senate democrat like
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it, and they are going to get the overwhelming majority of the democrats to go with it, and they will get mccarthy to vote for something that they will have to ask for forgiveness and not permission, but they are going to be there in the room to do what they don't want you to do it, so these deals having done several of these with the then president biden, these deals get done between the two parties and not five parties. >> and seth, would you be confident with president biden to get things done with kevin mccarthy? >> yes, he is one of the great deal makers in the history and a long history with leader mcconnell, and so i am confident they can get a deal thing, and i worry about speaker mccarthy, but we have to focus on how critical to get it done. because if there is a default, it is catastrophic for the economy. we will see millions of people out of work, and businesses failing, and banks failing, and interest rates through the roof.
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we cannot allow this to happen, and we can't play russian roulette with the american economy. today is another step on the path to getting a deal, and i would not be surprised if we got one today. >> there is disagreement of the path there, but this is something that everyone agrees to avoid. thank you, both, for your perspective. and researchers say a major clue to protect people from alzheimer's disease. ahead, one man who defied the odds for decades may have cracked gene code. dr. sanjay gupta is going to join us ahead to explain. know ? am i? ya! save 50% on ththe sleep number limited edition smart bed. plus, special financing. only at sleep numberer.
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a major clue in understanding alzheimer's disease. scientists say that rare gene change could help protect people at risk for this type of dementia, and these are the findings published in a new study documents a man diagnosed with the disease who seemed fated to develop early memory loss, but he kept the function longer than he should have. with us is chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta, and this is fascinating. walk us through what the researchers discovered here. >> it is really fascinating story. down in columbia for 40 years, they have been studying this extended family and some 60,000 family, and most of them got early onset dementia in their 40s, and they tried to find the ones who didn't and find out what is different about them, so that is how they conducted study. they found among this population
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of people, most of the people were expected to develop the dementia in the 40s and 50s and one gentleman did not develop it until he was 72, and progressed quickly after that, and within two years, he actually died from pneumonia and at that point, they looked at his brain. his brain had been donated to science and trying to figure out what is different here, and they found evidence of the genetic mutation that led to the protein deposited in one particular area of the brain. right here, sort of behind the frontal lobe area, area responsible for the memories and things like that. his brain had plaque and tangles and that sort of thing that you see with the alzheimer's, but in that one area, he seemed protected, and that is why, you know, researchers are so interested in this. >> it is fascinating that they are looking at the brain and how it is in some ways the facts of alzheimer's that he has that ano anomaly, and his sister shared
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the same protective gene change, and it didn't help her as much, because the family says that she began cognitive decline earlier in the late 50s, and so what is the takeaway there? >> this is again, all of this is super interesting, and women develop alzheimer's more than men, and two-thirds of the patients are women, and why is that? is there something specific in a woman's brain that something changes between the paces of the men and the women, and we don't know, but it is somewhat protective, and not as much, but it is going to make the researchers looking at the gender differences when it is coming to alzheimer's as well, and different origins of the disease as well. >> how do they go from looking at this man's brain and seeing the protein deposits that helped him, this genetic difference and take that perhaps into some sort of treatment? >> that is the question, briann. that and let me just preface by
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saying that there is a long way from this to treatment, and one researcher said now, just putting more realen which is this protein into the brain to help and specifically in this area of the brain to help, and doing that could be helpful in terms of people preventing early onset dementia, but another part of the story which is most of the drug treatments out there now, brianna, are designed to clear the amyloid plaque, and so getting rid of the plaque may not be the answer. people have speculated on it, but this is more evidence to suggest that focusing on the plaque is not the story here. >> and so this is so groundbreaking, and thank you for taking us through it,
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sanjay. jim? new developments on two more stories. the recovery of jamie foxx. he is undergoing treatment at a physical rehabilitation facility in chicago where he has been receiving care for past two weeks. the source did not disclose exactly what foxx is being treated for but the center does specialize in rehabilitation care for patients with physical impairments, brain or spine injuries. and also, the man charged with attacking two members of gerry connolly's staff has been arraigned, and that is from the detention center where he was arraigned on four felony charges. he is being held without bond, and his next hearing is scheduled for july 17th. meanwhile, cnn caught up with congressman connolly addressing the emotions coming from the wake of the violent attack coming out of nowhere,
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and he said the hard part is setting in with the trauma, and this morning, there was blood all over the rug, and my staff cleaning it up. and boris, we have seen the violence of lawmakers, and this is another case of it. >> it is happening far too often, jim. and now, the opponents of donald trump is getting longer. mike pence has launched a super pac to join forces to oppose him. he has blazed a trail to iowa, but governor ron desantis is looking to launch his campaign by the end of the month. still more ahead on cnn news central. the morgan stanley client experience? listening more than talking, and a personalized plan ♪ listto guide you throughing, anda changing world.lan
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and now, to some of the other headlines we are watching this hour. home depot is taking a hit, and the company said that the sales fell by half a percent and the company is blaming inflation and decline of home projects because it is going to be a year of moderation for the home improvement market. and also, the shop owner in asheville, north carolina, is credited with alerting police to kayla who was 9 years old when she was taken by the noncustodial mother in illinois to 2019. the store owner apparently recognized pair when seeing them featured on the netflix series "unsolved mysteries" and the mother is charged with unlawful abduction. and now, you can see this
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7-year-old bower zower playing catcher, and now describe what 7-year-old catcher saying what happened to him. >> i could not breathe that much, and so i hurted my breath, and i felt like i could not touch the ground and so i lifted up a little bit. i didn't know what to do, so i was thinking about something that was happening and not like that. so, so i don't get freaked about. >> poor little guy. thankfully, it appears nobody was hurt and the game was able to go on. brianna. >> we can all learn about bower, think about something happy so you don't get freaked out. and now, it appears that the 2024 presidential nomination is now getting more crowded as we are told that mike pence's allies are launching a new superpac to launch the cak
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candidacy, and now we have kristen holmes with us on this story, and how soon can we expect mike pence to announce? >> he is likely to make his decision before the the end of june. today, i spoke to an adviser who said that he shstill on the time line and when he gets into the race, he is in a unique situation squaring off against his former boss donald trump. he is going to have an uphill battle, because we have desantis and trump taking up all of the oxygen, and desantis, himself, he has not declared. and the relentless attacks of mike pence over january 6th, and pence certifying 2020 election has hurt pence with some factions of the republican party, but it appears that pence's team knows that, and one of the people tapped to lead the superpac is brian kemp's former political campaign manager. as we know, kind of a similar situation on a state scale,
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because kemp was attacked relentlessly over his decision not to overturn the election results in his state, and trump ran someone against kemp and he went on to win 52 points in that race and went on to win the governorship in georgia, and they are going to be replicating that strategy on a national scale, but the question is whether or not it is going to be possible. >> thank you, kristen. jim? >> all right. so someone else may throw their hat in the ring. governor of florida ron desantis is preparing to launch his bid for president by the end of the month. desantis dipped his toes into the campaign with a weekend trip to iowa where he warned the fellow republicans against what he called a culture of losing, vailed or not so vailed swipe at president trump. steve conforno is joining us,
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and that is where a number of the candidates go to iowa to test the waters there, and tell us about the plans of the announcement and how he is going to go after trump voters specifically. >> yeah, jim. in that iowa trip, it was right there in heart of trump country, and where trump won by 80%. some say that desantis is making the final preparations to get into the race. vi sources who say they expect him to make an announcement by the end of the month. desantis is going to meet with the top donors in south florida where the message to them is that it is game time. so, all of the groundwork has been laid at this point, and all that is left for the happen for desantis to jump into the race, and when he does, he is going to continue to make these contrasts with the former president, and just like the one you mentioned, and he wants to ally himself as a winner against trump, and the guy who lost in 2020, and he is a governor who gets stuff done.
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trump is a leader who is often distracted and squandered as a gop in the first two years in office. and desantis has a place of drama and leak, and often engulfed in palace intrigue. desantis believes and the team believes that there is a chance to get involved, but for trump, it is time to get involved and someone who is younger and active and someone who can get things done. that is why you are seeing him spending all of the time signing the bills and going around the state and out thing legislative policy victory, because he wants to enter the race and being able to say, i am a guy who got stuff done, and i will get it done if i am elected president. >> and he is willing to draw contrast and certainly in the space of the cultural wars and the legislation that he is passing in florida to back it
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pointing to carbon solutions and cement companies. >> boris, this is basic climate attribution science. a growing field where they look at who put the most pollution in the air. can you tie it to specific events. the climate has warm upped up 1.2 degrees celsius. they found just 8 companies are responsible for turning that temperature up by a half a degree celsius there, a not insignificant amount and the effect it has on wildfires, for example, since the 80s is there is about an extra 20 million acres burned as a result of the business models of just those 88 companies. now of course those companies would say we built the modern world and they'd be absolutely
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right, but the iunintended consequences hidden from the public is the heart from a lot of big lawsuits winding their way through the courts, the union of concerned scientists spokesperson say releasing this report that this is a pattern of behavior many of these companies have known for decades about the consequences of climate change and engaged in this deliberate misinformation campaign to deceive the general public. that will be the plaintiff's argument in so many cases across the country. meanwhile, a spokesperson from the american petroleum institute said the clear agenda of this group assigned, america's oil and national guard gas industry is focused on dlielivering affordable, reliable energy while reducing emissions. they are doing their best to reverse the damage. soon judges will decide. they've been trying to get high court judges to change venue.
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they want that decided in the conservative supreme court. so far scotus said, nope, you can go forward with these suits in local municipalities. >> and even though these companies denied they had an awareness of what the pollutants were doing, it's reported they knew about it well before the general public and lied about it. thank you for that report. >> any moment now speaker mccarthy will see down with president biden again in the oval office to try to negotiate the debt limit before the clock hits zero. and it's getting close. stay with us.
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