but they acknowledge some of the pieces might never be found because they've been broken into pieces. all this as those now convicted of stealing the artifacts walked out of the courtroom and drove off, allowed to serve their sentences at a later time. anderson, one of the pieces that's still missing is a very rare diamond known as the white saxen, all this as the police in that area have now come out and said they're actually searching for another possible suspect whom they believe may have aided the group in the heist. anderson? >> fred pleitgen, appreciate it. the news continues, "cnn primetime" with sara sidner starts now. >> thank you. good evening to you. we begin tonight with another scare involving the safety of a united states government official and intruder said to be drunk somehow got into the home of president biden's national security adviser jake sullivan. we're told that no one was hurt and the suspect got away without secret service even knowing, but

the news comes after a string of attacks or threats of violence against lawmakers and federal workers. just yesterday a man waving a bat assaulted staffers at the office of democratic congressman gerry connolly. his father says the suspect's father says he was suffering from skins fren ya. in march, one of republican republican rand paul staffers was stabbed in washington. in february, democratic congresswoman angie craig was assaulted in the elevator of her apartment building. and the most severe attack so far occurred in october, a man demanding to see then speaker of the house nancy pelosi broke into her home and attacked her husband with a hammer. joining me now, cnn congressional correspondent jessica dean along with l.a. times columnist l.z. granderson and former trump campaign adviser. thank you all for being here. jessica, i want to start with you. how did this happen? the secret service didn't notice this when it was going on? >> that's the big question,

right? he gets 24-hour protection at his home. and so, to wake up and there's this person wandering around the home and secret service was unaware seems like a real breach in the protocol there and is quite surprising. so now as you would imagine, secret service is trying to get to the bottom of this to figure out exactly how this happened. i think it's important to note, too, that we're not sure that this intruder even knew that it was jake sullivan's house. and when we're talking about these different incidents, i think we have to kind of appreciate that they're on a spectrum, right? some people may have known exactly who they were targeting and in other cases as it appears at this moment perhaps this was what they thought maybe just an intoxicated person roaming around. again, how did they get in the house without secret service noticing. >> it's terrifying. in so doing, is there a movement towards getting more security for some of these lawmakers and potentially even their offices in their specific states? >> right. so that's where we are at this moment in time. i do think that that really

underscores where we are and takes you back to october with paul pelosi being attacked in his home with that man that was looking for then house speaker nancy pelosi. and there is, you know, some members of congress who, you know, like house speaker nancy pelosi are going to have 24-hour security because of where they rank in leadership, that sort of thing. but what we are seeing more and more now, like, for example, members of january 6th committee started having details. different members are now having details for different reasons. and that should tell us all something, right? >> yeah. federal judges, supreme court judges. jason, where do you land on this? >> i'm glad you brought that up. supreme court justices, right? >> right. >> even before that, you had folks that were -- not necessarily attacking physically but verbally attacking members of congress, you know, in restaurants. and calls to action tweets out saying, hey, go -- ted cruz happens to be at this restaurant or nancy pelosi is at this restaurant. go and demonstrate.

it's a scary time. we had -- i was in d.c. for 30 years. and i remember when i first moved to d.c. there was somebody two blocks off the capitol, senator richard shelby's staffer had been killed at the time. it's not necessarily something new in that regard. there's crime everywhere, but when it's targeting members of congress, elected officials or nonelected officials, judges, et cetera, i think it's pretty bad. >> i think you even can pull it back further than that. i remember covering 2020 and one of the things that came up was during the protest, protesters are showing up at the homes of elected officials, like the district attorney. and what ended up happening was that the husband of the district attorney was very, very scared and came out with a weapon. >> right. >> and so when you start thinking about the political violence and the temperature, it isn't just about elected officials or people who are appointed, sometimes it could be someone who is at the municipal level who is also being targeted

by political violence. we really need be careful in terms not making this a black or blue or red or white we're all vulnerable to this because the temperature of the country has been risen so much. >> absolutely. >> i want to read you something, l.z., you're speaking to something, i was looking to figure out where we are. it's hard to tell if we're in a worse place than we have been in the past. first, i want to show you what we have seen according to the u.s. capitol police. on the threats being made. threats of violence. and those numbers are astronomical compared to, for example, 2017, there were 3,900 plus. you look at this graph here. yes, it's gone up and down, but look at the difference between 2017 and 2022. that is a huge jump in the number of threats against u.s. lawmakers. but look at this, in 2019, two years, a full two years before the 2021 attack on the u.s. capitol, a group of u.s. and international scholars with the carnegie endowment for international peace who study politics and violence abroad

determined the u.s. was at serious risk of violence. again, this is 2019 because the country was showing all the signs that spark it. here is what they said. we know that violence is more likely in countries where it's happened before, it thrives on polarization, and begins with a dehumanization of opponents, opportunistic politicians test the system, seeing how they react to violence language to determine the potential cost. what have you seen, l.z.? what have you seen that matches just right there? >> i mean, listen, this may sound funny, but drag queens right now are being politically attacked. and violence is being attacked -- attached to the violence. you have a members of organized organizations showing up to drag queen performances and threatening them. that's political violence in my opinion because when you attack -- you think about the reasons why they're there and who is pointing them there, this is all part of the fabric. so you're asking what am i seeing, what i'm seeing is not

just the pressures of being an elected official and worrying about your safeties, i'm feeling the pressures of anyone who has any public sort of presence that could be attached to a political ideology quite possibly being vulnerable to someone who may be mentally ill or someone who has an opposing political viewpoint. we're in a very, very dangerous time when you can't have a drag queen show up to a library without guns surrounding the building because of politics, that report seemed to be pretty spot on. >> isn't it interesting that now we just see -- especially with social media, immediately if someone disagrees with whomever is making whatever statement, it's like i'm going to kill you or i'm going to come for your family. just escalates so quickly. and it seems like the default position is to go to violence for a lot of people. now whether or not they actually follow through on that but it's a real thing that is among us, right? >> yeah. you're seeing it in -- >> i think we've gone from the -- the early 2000s politics of personal destruction. now taken to another level,

right? to your point, i think there's -- i would also add in there school boards. >> exactly. exactly. >> there was recently an investigation in northern virginia in louden county where staffers or folks affiliated with the members of the school board in loudoun county were targeting how are we going to get this person who spoke up at the school board, this parent, how are we going to get them fired? how are we going to cancel them and make them destitute, homeless, whatever else we can do to it. i think it's on both sides. i think it's tragic. in some cases some lawmakers bring it on certainly by their bravado and what they're saying and -- >> they speak of violence. they use -- >> they use the language. >> they use the language. >> and everyone heard what donald trump said on january 6th. everybody heard some of the rhetoric. and that has spread very, very far. now we're here at this point. stay with me.

we are going to move on in our next block now to another threat that promises to have an impact of -- on all of us, not just politicians, not just people who are in the public eye, artificial intelligence, the technology is moving so fast it can baffle even the people creating it. it's potential impact on everything from national security to your job has the heads of the industry warning of the risk of their own creations. they're going so far as to ask congress to regulate them before it's too late. >> my worst fears are that we cause significant -- we, the field, the technology, the industry, cause significant harm to the world. >> we have built machines that are bulls in a china shop. powerful, reckless and difficult to control. >> we think that a.i. should be regulated at the point of risk essentially. that's the point at which technology meets society. >> pick whatever movie analogy you would like, the terminator,

frankenstein, i. robot, the matrix, any plot where machines outsmart and outpace human beings. it is becoming a reality. science fiction is actually turning into fact. the discussion about a.i. went down at a historic senate hearing today. the panel looked at the benefits and serious risks of this advanced technology, like image manipulation or election disinformation that can potentially sway voters. there are a.i. threats to democracy, to the economy, to jobs, to privacy, social media, art, justice system, even war. lawmakers make very clear they see the potential threat. senator richard blumenthal actually kicked off the hearing with a deep fake recording of his own voice. >> and now for some introductory remarks. too often we have seen what happens when technology outpaces regulation. the unbridled exploitation of

personal data. the proliferation of disinformation. the remarks were written by chatgpt. when it was asked how i would open this hearing. >> joining me now is former google ceo and chairman eric schmidt, who is now an investor in an a.i. startup. istari -- >> anthropic. >> my bad. all right. let's start here. what are the risks? we just saw a senator using it for something that it seems innocuous. it's your own voice, but it was something nice. but what are the real risks here? >> well, first, 15 seconds on the extraordinary benefits of a.i. an a.i. tutor, a.i. doctor, helping everyone get smarter, globally available, lifting people from poverty, solving climate change, accelerating drug discovery, my industry is

crazy over this stuff. the power and the innovation that will occur that's been unleashed in this last round is phenomenal. at the same time, we're also very concerned about potential risks. as these models get larger and larger means in terms of the scale of training, $100 million of cost of training, they take on properties that are concerning. the ability, for example, to change from one media to another. such as a voice casting and things like that. imagine a situation where you could ask it to do cyberattacks. >> yeah. >> it has learned how to do this. not because it was programmed to do it, but because it encountered the information. what the industry does today is it put guards -- puts guardrails on these systems. we're very concerned that those guardrails need to get set right and they need to be applied everywhere. >> all right. let me ask you about this sort of potential of that because a lot of this sounds like science fiction to a lot of people when you start thinking about the possibilities. you named a lot of the good things it can do, languages it

could probably help you pick up languages very -- >> translate languages, all that. >> but even if we don't get to these sort of science fiction moments in history, how much does this technology change the everyday landscape, our work, our home, everything? >> well, some of my friends write documents and they say edit this. they send the document to gbt4 in this case and it produces a better version. right? that's an amplifier. so in most cases, this technology will make you quicker, more efficient, smarter, you know, better -- better communicator, whatever it is that you're doing. the same will be true for physicists and chemists and teachers and poets, so forth. that's all good. the issue, of course, is that the same evil person f they were evil, gets an amplification of their ability to spread evil. a good example here would be that in 2016, the russians used a series of people to create fake identities and flood the zone, right, in 2016 to try to

affect the election. this has occurred over and over again in other democracies. we're going to have one heck of a year in 2024 because today that -- those tools are available to a single lone bad person who can use that to generate fake identities, fill an entire network of false information that looks legit, right? that spreads through social media and off we go. >> i do want to challenge you a little bit on just the idea of just an evil person. here is the thing that a lot of people worry about when i talk to just regular folks who don't know a lot about a.i. insurance companies, businesses, trying to use your information against you through a.i.'s brain, basically. and that is a huge concern. you talked about the guardrails and you feel like those need to be set in stone, but social media companies set rules, right, if they're the ones -- you set the rules. you know how this works. that didn't work so well with social media. that didn't work so well. and the government comes in and they're behind the eight ball. they're not sure how the technology works themselves and

it's already taken off and created a myriad of problems. >> well, social media is largely not regulated. >> that's right. >> you see the consequence. i think most of us believe that we missed that opportunity. some of the senators today in the hearing said the same thing. there's an agreement, i think, between the industry and the government that we don't want to repeat some of those mistakes, but we want to get the good stuff. what you're seeing now -- the u.s. government, is they're beginning to think about it. this is a good process. it's not obviously exactly how the regulations will come. i have my own proposal. sam has his. other people have different idea. this technology will be regulated in some way because of its potential dangers. just don't regulate it out of existence in which case we won't get the benefit. >> can i just ask you lastly, when it comes to war, because we talked about the fact that it can be used in war, is it more dangerous than, for example, nuclear war the way we think of conventional war, the worst case scenario? >> well, nuclear war is horrific and any sort of large nuclear

con conflagration would destroy the world as we know it. you can imagine this technology, for example, active cyberattacks, attack a whole country, do it until everybody is dead. you can imagine that scenario. i want to kill 1 million people. show me the biological path to do it. these are the dangers we have to make sure are not happening. we need to put guardrails and limits. people are working on these problems. we don't fully understand the solutions yet. >> eric schmidt, you just terrified me. i hear the good things, but boy, that is a really scary scenario. thank you so much for coming on and being candid about the good, bad and ugly of a.i. coming up next, what former president obama says keeps him up at night about america. and what he worries about the most. plus, the battlefield in ukraine is rapidly changing. new reporting tonight about how the russians are trying to overwhelm and confuse ukraine. ♪ asking the right question can greatly impact your future.

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past everybody can say we may disagree on how to solve it, but at least we all agree that's an issue. now people will say, well, that didn't happen. or i don't believe that. >> former president obama says he's worried most about the rise of misinformation and division in the media, something we just talked about with the rise of a.i. joining this panel, cnn's zain asher, the fabulous international anchor and just all around great person and author. we are going to talk a little bit about this. zain, when you look at -- i know you know a lot about a.i. we had this whole discussion. but you hear former president obama talking about -- basically talking about silos and then misinformation. what do you see? >> i mean, this is the thing. you touched on this with eric schmidt, it's not the technology. it's really how it's used. that the issue here. when you think about how fragmented our society already is and you combine that with a.i., we are in trouble.

when it comes to facts, a.i. can't technically go out into the field and verify whether or not a news event actually happened. it can't witness a news event, but it can pretend that it can. that is a scary thing. so it's not just about chatgpt 4 and the image generators. what scares me the most in what obama is talking about running up to an election, by the way, is videos. in previous interviews, even if you label a video as being fake, you have to understand that it still has an impact on the belief system and the behaviors of people who consume that video. that is important to note. also on the hill today, senator josh hawley said something i thought was interesting at the beginning he said, look, this hearing could not have been possible a year ago. could not have happened a year ago, a., because the technology hasn't been released to the public, but also the technology has evolved so, so quickly. it's so easy to use. and it's evolving so quickly and

everybody watching this at home, that should give them pause for thought. if it can advance this quickly from chatgpt 3.5 and chatgpt 4 in one year, what's going to happen before the elections in about a year and a half from now? >> it's a really good question. let's talk about misinformation and what we're seeing across the spectrum. it's huge. correct? how dangerous is it? and is it getting worse in your mind? >> 100%. i mean, without a doubt, i agree completely with what president obama said in that there's so many diverse media outlets out there or, quote unquote, media outlets out there with twitter and instagram and tiktok and people getting their news in 10 to 15 second increments. go back to the '80s talking about four to five-minute news stories and now having to shovel it down in 10 to 15 seconds in order to grab their attention, it's almost like we're living in the national inquirer pages every single day.

it's a new -- it's a new edition. it's scary because i don't know -- even on both sides. i don't know unless you're educated and follow politics religiously, you're going to listen to things that are out there in -- on twitter or facebook or whatever and believe it as fact. unless you dive into it and figure out, wait a minute, there's some untruths here, it will be a problem. it's not just the videos, it's the memes, too. >> sometimes the truth doesn't matter because it's already been shared 3 billion times before people are told, oh wait, this is a fake. they don't see that part. are we ever going to agree this is a hard one, l.z., i apologize, on a set of facts? we are in this post-truth world, even though we have access to more information than we have ever had. >> well, it's about digesting the news and information that already agrees with your sense

of the world, right? that's really the issue. it's about the fear of being challenged. it's about the fear of having to change your world view. with all due respect to president obama, these two realities have existed way longer than with technology. i mean, if you remember back when then candidate reagan talked about the shiny city on the hill? what was the rebuttal? there are other cities. right? so the realities in this countries have always been very. the difference is the realities are different but the facts were always true. the facts were always the same. your interpretations of the facts or how you dealt with the facts could vary, but the facts were always real. i am so concerned, i'm so concerned. we still have millions of homes trying to get wi-fi. >> yeah. >> trying to get wi-fi. >> i mean, if you go back -- i mean, we're old enough to remember the first -- the invasion of iraq and you had baghdad bob the guy -- the

spokesperson for sue dam hussein, the runway of the baghdad airport talking about there's no bombing going on. everything is fine. we have taken control of everything. we sat in the u.s. laughing at him. how ridiculous is this. we're 30 years past that, wait, is it true? is this a.i. generated? >> this is the largest crowd of all time. what did we fast forward a decade and he says this is the largest crowd ever and a.i. is able to generate a false image that people believe. >> 100%. >> the one last thing and i want to say this because it's something we talked about and i talked about with the former google ceo, it is something that can be used by politicians as well. they say something that is racist or horrible and they can say, that wasn't me. that was a.i. and people won't know what is real and what isn't. that's scary. >> regulation has to come in. as a society we were so late to table trying to regulate social

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air raid sirens sounding in the capital kyiv and across ukraine tonight and earlier today. a major showdown between the american-made patriot missile system and russian hypersonic missiles. ukraine claims to intercepted 18 russian missiles. russian claims they deindustried a patriot air system. it came from north, south, and east all at once across front lines, reaching deep inside ukraine. and on the eastern front, ukraine says, they have liberated substantial areas north and south of bakhmut within the past few days. joining me now to make sense of all of this, host of fareed za car ya gps, fareed zakaria himself. let's talk about if russia can keep up this pace. we heard from the head of the wagner group that there was a problem with munitions. are we going to continue to see

these kind of barrages in places like bakhmut and also surprisingly hasn't happened in quite some time, kyiv, the capital. >> what you see with russia is the outward appearance of force and power. it's relatively rich country, huge army. there's a lot of shock and awe in being able to do this kind of thing that in some ways dazzles. but underneath it, think about what you just said, the head of the wagner group is openly feuding with the defense minister and the defense ministry because he believes that the troops are insufficiently armed, munitions have -- what is that all about? what that's about is the russian army is flailing. it is doing badly in areas like bakhmut where they thought they were going to be able to take the ukrainian forces and beat them. they have not been able to despite the fact that they are overwhelmed and over powered ukrainian forces. even if you look at these hypersonic missiles that they

shot at kyiv, which were meant to be -- this is -- putin kept saying russia is the world leader in hypersonic missiles. well, to me the most interesting thing is the same day those missiles were exploded over kyiv and ukrainians seemed to have intercepted all of them, that same day russian scientists put out a statement, an open letter, that didn't get as much attention saying that the three russian scientists who developed these hypersonic missiles have been arrested on charges of treason because they are essentially giving interviews and conferences on the war. you see what i mean? the problem for russia, this is it's great long-term problem, it has become a closed society, isolated from the world, unable to get the highest technology, unable to let its scientists go to conferences for fear of being arrested for treason. that's not a good long-term sign in what is increasingly becoming a high-tech war. >> yeah. we saw incredible pictures of

the military parade where there was literally one tank. does not bode well for what's really happening. i do want to ask you again about the wagner group because they are the ones that seemingly at the forefront of everything and sort of sending messages to putin. they claim that a u.s. citizen died in the embattled city of bakhmut. and it's unverified. there's unverified video. what do you make of this? the u.s. has said, look, we can't verify this at this point. >> look, it's possible. there's no way to be able to tell. the russians make claims that in the past have not been true. u.s. government tends to be pretty scrupulous about wanting proof. it's perfectly conceivable. but to me the most interesting thing remains again this open conflict between pregroezen, the head of the wagner group and the russian military, the degree to which putin snot able to silence one or the other and is letting this -- imagine if in the united

states you had open warfare during a war, you had open battle between the chairman of the joints chiefs of staff and the head of the army or head of the navy, it would be unthinkable. >> sure. >> and yet this is going on in what's supposed to be a highly-disciplined dictatorship. >> yeah. it's really interesting to see what is going on there. and the messaging that's happening. a lot of propaganda going on. but you breakthrough it when you see arguing between him and putin. you're always a wealth of information. thank you so much for your insight there. you can catch fareed zakaria gps sundays at 10:00 a.m. eastern. coming up next, as the nation gets closer to default, liberals are worried president biden is giving in to republican demands. plus, we'll speak with the heckler who interrupted the march of white supremacists on washington. >> no one likes you. >> no history to fight for.

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president biden expected to cut his overseas trip short this weekend as time runs out to avoid a potential economic catastrophe. democrats called today's big white house meeting between the

president and congressional leaders, quote, cordial. while senator mitch mcconnell described it as most encouraging. but, the bottom line is still no deal on raising the debt ceiling and thereby avoiding a national default that could trigger a recession, skyrocketing unemployment, missed paychecks for millions of federal workers, military service members and suspension of social security benefits. for his part, the house speaker is insisting on work requirements for things like food stamps. he was asked today if that was a red line. >> so the public wants it, both parties want it, the idea that they want to put us into a default because they will not work with us on that is ludicrous to me. >> meanwhile, the leader of the congressional progressive caucus called that requirement a, quote, absolutely terrible idea and a non-starter. i'm joined now by white house economic adviser, jean sperling.

thank you so much for coming on to the show. >> thank you. >> gene, is there any possibility that compromise will happen here and that there will be a deal between joe biden essentially and the speaker? >> well, the president has been very clear about two things from the start. one, default is not an option. you just described why quite well. no one can take a position my way or we put our country into default for the first time in our history and risk decimating retirement savings, recession, millions of jobs. but he's also been very clear from the start that once he put out his budget on march 9th when the republicans put out their's, he was willing to sit down and have a separate budget negotiation. and as soon as they did, the president brought them together. people have been working. we have all been working throughout the last week. the leaders met together for the

first time -- i mean, for the second time within a week and we're about to move to a new phase where there will be more direct communication between the president's team and the speaker's team. it is our view that there is room for common ground for a bipartisan deal that can get the support of both democrats and republicans and reduce the deficit. but it's going to mean that both sides are not going to get everything they want. we understand that. we wish they would support the president's effort to reduce the deficit by cutting subsidies for big pharma so we could lower prices and the deficits for more americans on prescription drugs. we wish they would support cutting subsidies through the tax code for private equity managers, for big crypto traders, for oil and gas. but they won't. but they're also going -- they're not agreeing to that. they're going to understand that

we're not going to agree to things that we think are extreme and harsh and would hurt americans or take away their health care. >> mr. sperling, let me ask you this because you just laid out how far apart really they are, but you talked about progress. so what is the progress that we keep hearing about? >> well, i think that for those of us who are able to follow closely what's happening, our team working with the teams of the other four congressional leaders, i think one can see where the room is for common ground, for a bipartisan deal that could be supported by both parties that would reduce the deficit but would probably not acquiesce to the views to some of the most contentious views. again -- >> but sounds like mr. sperling that -- >> billionaire's minimum tax -- >> sounds like -- >> go ahead. i'm sorry. >> sounds like the views are

contentious, just all of them. there are some things that can come together to do, so what are the things that they have agreed upon or that you see agree upon to get this done for the american people. >> well, that's hard for me because you know no one in my position is going to negotiate in public. it's never good to reveal -- to try to -- for me to try to publicly say what the views are of the people we're negotiating with. but i think what we would say is these discussions have pointed to where there could be common ground. president sometimes says to us as anchors of bipartisan agreement. so i think the question now as we get into this new phase is can we find those areas of bipartisan agreement that will meet the president's values, which include not taking away anybody's health care, not pushing anybody into poverty, not doing extreme cuts that

would hurt cancer research or devastate education for children with disabilities. >> is he willing to do any cuts? >> could be the type of thing that -- absolutely. >> okay. a few things. >> i just told you he absolutely is willing to engage, to talk about ways that we could cut the deficit and cut spending. in fact, i just said we're disappointed they're not taking some of our suggestions, like cutting subsidies to big pharma to both lower the deficit and lower prices. yes, there are areas that we strongly disagree with with what they're putting on the table. there are areas that we put on the table that they have disagreed with. i guess what i would say that gives me a bit more optimism is that when i look at the discussions, i do see that there can be room for common ground. i think the goal now is for everyone to work together to find that and have a budget agreement that both sides could support or has enough support to pass the house and senate with

support from both democrats and republicans. and i think the reason why you heard a bit more better tone from all of the people, including speaker mccarthy, is that i think people can see that -- where that common ground could be. now, of course, the hard part is can we get there? that's what the next phase of these discussions are going to be about. >> senior adviser gene sperling, thank you so much for running through that with me. a lot of people worried about the debt ceiling and whether that's going to get done. appreciate it. >> thank you so much. next, should a walgreen's security guard face charges for shooting an alleged shoplifter? see the video of the incident that's just been released today when we return. ♪ type 2 diabetes? discover the power of 3 in the ozempic® tri-zone.

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no charges. controversy growing tonight over the san francisco d.a.'s decision not to charge a security guard for fatally shooting back around, a suspected shoplifter at walgreens last month. the dea also released surveillance video of the incident. i've got to warn you, these images are disturbing. here they are. you can see brown attempting to

leave by shoving a security guard, identified as michael anthony, which leads to a physical altercation. you can see them pummeling each other there. brown is held on the ground but released after about a minute. brown and begins to leave, but appears to turn around and move toward the guard. that is when anthony fires his gun. we are not showing you that because it is too disturbing. anthony told police that brown repeatedly threatened to stab him during that fight. prosecutors ruled the guards fear was reasonable, but police have noted, no knife was found in brown's possession. joining me now is john burris, attorney representing banko brown's family. mr. burrows, thank you for joining us from the bay area there. you have also, of course, dissected this tape. you heard that the guard has said that he had a fear of being stabbed. how do you see this? >> well, the fear itself can't be subjective. it has to be objective.

so what were the facts that would support his fear? this officer was the aggressor. he's the one that attacked banco. he's one beaten up, slugged him, tried to choke him, tossed around all over the place, and when banko trial even was going, it was backing out, and his arm was raised, and then he was backing up, and he was shot. he was not the aggressor. and so that is why it's troubling to me to have this view that the officer claims that he was the one that was in fear when he was the one with the gun, he was the one that was a assault of of banko. so it's hard for me to understand how subjective intent can be acknowledged and accepted. you need objective facts to support. if you can have an honest but unreasonable belief. here there was no evidence to support that he was about to be attacked. and there is no knife. so we don't know if this was true. no one else heard. this >> let me ask you this, mr. burris. when you consider this, there's

a lot of people look at this and they have seen the videos over and over of people stealing things from stores. we know, i have looked at old cases, that it happened in walgreens with security guards and walgreens said look, lives are more important than property, but what is a security guards job? what does he? do does that play into your determination here in who you're going to sue? >> certainly you could stop the person. there's no doubt about that. in this case it was not only just stop it, was an assault and staff. he tossed around, he beat him up. that's not not the thing to do when somebody has committed a petty theft. the assault on the part of the security officer went way beyond what was reasonable and necessary. stopping one in talking to them is different than stopping mom them and beating him up and ultimately killing. them no basis, just because of a petty theft. no right to use deadly force. and there was no weapon. to me, this was a shooting that was woefully unnecessary and it

seems to be this officer was particularly excited, because he jumped back from the beginning, never gave him a chance to talk or try to surrender. just beat him up. tossed him out. it wasn't a battle. it was a situation where he was tossing around. he was beating him up. he was on his back he was choking him. the kid was trying to protect himself. then he tried to get away. >> you talked about him trying to get away, mr. burris, can you quickly tell me the people who are bringing this suit against? >> i obviously we're going to sue the security officer himself, the security company, his employer, and we're gonna sue walgreens as well because they're the ones who hired him. they're the ones that put together this policy of having a gun which is kind of shocking to have guns on a security guard and in a retail place like this. you might have guns in security places and banks. to me that is a policy question made. and then i understand i gather

there were changes in the policy over a period of time. the options may not be clear about what their responsibility are or worthy properly trained. were they given the training that if you kill somebody if you can't stop them? if it is it's wrong headed. we're not going to accept it. we're gonna fight this all the way through. >> mr. burris, thank you so much for taking the time tonight to go through this case with us. coming up next, white supremacists marched on the capital to spread hate, but one cyclist stop them right in their tracks. that cyclist is joining us in just a bit. for their sleep apnea. but stephanie got inspspire. an implanted device that works inside the body to help her sleep. unlike her sister. there's more than one way to treat your sleep apnea. if you struggle with cpap, look into getting inspire. inspire. sleep apnea innovation. learn more and view important safety information

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>> he came, he saw, he heckled. over the weekend, patriot front, a white supremacy group that believes their ancestors conquered america and decreased it to them it no one else, marched along the national mall

in downtown washington, d.c., and police escorted members throughout the city when one cyclist did this. >> where no one likes you. >> your mom hates. you >> know history. >> you were the losers. >> we will have a fight into -- this >> cast adrift -- [inaudible] >> reclaim your virginity. >> let us now bring in that gentleman who was on the bike there. , joe flood, the writer and photographer, who heckled the group. i have to ask you, why this tactic? some people would come out blasting them in a different way. you are sort of joking, but throwing barbs. >> yeah. i've seen a lot of protests and

counterprotest and easy, and usually involves people yelling back and forth. so when i rolled up on the bike i thought i would do something different, and they looked so ridiculous lined up in front of washington monument with their leader giving this really boring speech, it was just sort of the perfect moment for me to roll up and start hurling insults. and i try to be as personal and direct as possible, because i think that gets to people more than if you just start cruising. them >> i heard you say one point i got into your head when you made a joke that one of them was a general casters illegitimate child. i do want to ask you, though, about seeing this scene. these are white nationalists, white supremacists, who believe this country belongs to them and them only and only to people of european defend. what did you think when you saw this group with no one else there to sort of say hey, this is not cool? >> they snuck into the city without telling anyone. and they have done this before. they sneak into the city, no notice except for the police,

obviously, and they march around for like 20 minutes and leave to get their photo ops. and that's why it has never been people counterprotesting them. so when i saw on twitter that they were marching around i was nearby, i decided that i had to go. when i got there there was no one else yelling at them. so i decided i should yell at them. >> joe, did you hear anything from them? did they say anything back? was there any response? >> yeah. when the speaker, the leader, couldn't memorize his speech and he kept looking at his notes, and he kept pulling out his speech to read it, and he put it back in and started reading it again, and i yelled at him, boring, why can't you remember, like hey memorize your speech? and at one point i'm like, boring, this has gone on too long. and he was like you should get comfortable because it's gonna be awhile. >> joe flood, thank you, and thank you for making us giggle about a very serious subject. >> thank you. >> and thank you for joining us tonight. cnn tonight