around for like 20 minutes and leave to get their photo ops. and that's why it has never been people counterprotesting them. so when i saw on twitter that they were marching around i was nearby, i decided that i had to go. when i got there there was no one else yelling at them. so i decided i should yell at them. >> joe, did you hear anything from them? did they say anything back? was there any response? >> yeah. when the speaker, the leader, couldn't memorize his speech and he kept looking at his notes, and he kept pulling out his speech to read it, and he put it back in and started reading it again, and i yelled at him, boring, why can't you remember, like hey memorize your speech? and at one point i'm like, boring, this has gone on too long. and he was like you should get comfortable because it's gonna be awhile. >> joe flood, thank you, and thank you for making us giggle about a very serious subject. >> thank you. >> and thank you for joining us tonight. cnn tonight with alison

camerota starts right. now >> sara, hold on a sack. that was the best heckel i have ever heard. you are a loser in high school. that was so good. [laughter] you reclaimed your virginity. that is so funny. >> i mean it's a serious topic. he's really making light of it in an entertaining way. it was fantastic. thank you very much for that, sarah. good evening everyone. i'm alison camp camerota. welcome cnn tonight. so remember that expected surge of migrants at the border? when title 42 ended? well it turns out the opposite happened. the number of migrants has dropped 50% in the past few days. but that does not mean the crisis has ended. it is just spread north. in new york, about 300 migrants are now living in public school gyms and parents are not happy. our panel has a lot of thoughts on this. plus, a security guard shoots and kills a suspected shoplifter at a walgreens downtown san francisco.

shoplifting is obviously not a capital crime, so why is the dea not pressing charges? and former president barack obama gets personal talking about his marriage to michelle. >> let me just say this. it sure helps to be out of the white house. >> [laughter] >> and i have a little more time with her. >> more from that interview, coming up. but let's start with a migrant problem. in new york, 300 migrants now housed in public school gyms and parents are crying foul. >> i was scared. i was nervous. i felt like it was the wrong decision they made at the time, with nobody knew anything. my concern is, i will be -- with children that go to school to get an education at p.s. one 88. our families is walking around here not knowing who were taking in for shelter and for our safety and our well-being. >> okay, let's bring in our panel. we have new exhibit councilman,

kagan, a republican, who up until a few months ago was a democrat. we have a political anchor for spectrum news. we have the ever fabulous james or we, can you journalist to write for the atlantic and fast company. great to have all of you. okay, so, councilman, it's hard to find a community that wants to house these migrants. so what is the answer? >> first of all, i would like to say that many parents even today have run up against the problem of migrants being housed in the school gym for a long time because there is no timeline when it's going to end. and also they're talking about processing. meaning it could be some of them will be in permanent shelter or permanent housing but new ones will come for processing, and there is no time. every time i asking -- officer of emergency management, what is the time frame? when will they return to the

community? it's a fluid situation. what if tomorrow 2000 come to new york city? and it's no longer a crisis of food, by cars, even by airplanes. so it's a legitimate exercise of from all over the place. >> we say buy airplanes, other governors are sending people by airplane to new york? >> no it means people how great new generous new york's. so people come to new york from all over the places. including some migrants who left new york city, they're coming back. they just love new york city. >> okay. should mayor adams have a plan for this? >> he's going to have to have a plan. if you failure to plan is planning to fail. we knew for months that this wave was going to continue and there's no scenario under which anybody could've imagined that governors from florida or texas were going to stop sending migrants here after november. this has been going on for well

over six months. and so for the city now to scramble and say we need another 800 rooms. we need another 200. bands we have to suspend a lot of our sensible rules that prohibit having family sleeping on the floor and so forth. for them to scramble in that way and to be so completely overwhelmed i think is testing the patience of a lot of new yorkers because they expect their government to plan and to have a contingency. and if not to really sit down and explain to people. not just pop up for a little five minute interview and say hey we've got a real problem we wish washington would help us. that doesn't even begin to get the job done. >> just to our viewers and you guys know, this cool gm where some of the hundreds of migrants are being housed in new york in coney island, it's separate. it's a separate building from where the kids are going to school. it apparently, according to the department of education, wasn't being used. i don't know if it makes for part of palatable, but in your thoughts? >> i think i'll be the voice of

the viewer when i will say this is so tragic and frustrating that like these are our best solutions. i've covered this for 20. years i know you've covered a long time errol as well. and i've watched leaders are both political parties kick the can and refused to solve a broken immigration system because it is politically profitable to leave it broken. then you can run on it and then you can fund-raise off of it this. no reason why we have to continually have a broken immigration system. and i think the resentment this breeds among new yorkers and lots of other americans isn't out of a lack of compassion for these asylum seekers who are ponds, but out of us frustration that this is all we've come up. with asylum, thanks to a cities for kids in cages. housing people in public school gyms or dropping them off, dumping them off of the vice

president's front yard. this is as good as we can do? it's a joke. >> it's very complicated problem, though. when you say it's a fluid situation it's because there's no way to envision how the flow is going to stop. as long as you have the situation you have, i was gonna say in central america, but the biggest flow of migrants in recent months has not come from there in his come from venezuela, columbia, cuba. as long as you have that in you're not doing anything about that, it's hard to imagine how this stops. one of the paradoxes is that these are people who are here legally. they've gone through the process. and the bigger problem we have -- i think people that we that are being housed in these gyms are people that are seeking asylum -- they've applied for asylum. we have all these people who have applied or are applying for asylum and we don't have anyone near enough judges to process them. so we've created a situation

where the end of living in gyms. no one has been willing to invest the money necessary to process them. so they have a system, and i guess he's exactly right, it's a broken system. it is broken. >> isn't it interesting, friends, that the surge that was so anticipated and drummed up about what was going to happen when title 42 ended has not happened over the past few days. there's all sorts of different explanations for it. according to the assistant secretary for boarded immigration prop policy, the decreased level of captures at the border we hope reflect a new consequences reentry at the border as well as enforcement actions being taken by our foreign partners. it's just interesting that maybe the biden policy is actually stricter than what was in place with trump? >> absolutely. was when title 42 goes away you robert title 8, which means if you're caught illegally trying to enter your barred for any kind of legal entry for five. years that's pretty serious. they do a lot of messaging around that a lot to hold, the messaging got across, which is,

i think, an example to the administration of how focused, targeted, sensible messaging can change a situation on the ground. >> councillor? >> i would say that when i applied to come to america -- >> let's talk about your story for a second. >> yes it's related. >> your parents were grandparents were holocaust fibers. >> my father was a holocaust survivor. i would like to say that 30 years ago i came to america, i went through extensive interview, ground checks, i gave my blood test for all kinds of infectious diseases, check, you name it. and it should be organized. it cannot be just open border, everybody come and they ask you questions. it's not happening right now. what happened to me, to many other people came to america legally, many of my constituents telling stories about the grandparents going through ellis island, a lot of interviews, a lot of background checks, a lot of health checks.

it's not happening right now. that's one of the reasons going on. open borders policy. you do not going for any interview before. we have american embassies all over the world, in every country, including mexico. consular services. why not interview people before they come to america to check what they are? >> that is what biden is suggesting. that actually is exactly now or president biden is suggesting. but i think there have been courting. just >> there are core challenges, and he has this up idea basically have to apply by it at via and app or your be able to come in. if you actually look at the plan that biden unveiled are offering up in february, it's actually much tougher than pretty much anything that have been done before. but it's inevitably going to run -- into >> but why aren't we doing that level of background check that his family came through? >> look, it would be almost impossible at this point, given the numbers. in fact, even a small change to reduce the processing time from one hour to half an hour, makes a huge difference.

if you start talking about tens of thousands of people, 30 minutes for each one of them, and quickly swells up in two days and weeks that you're gonna save. but we don't have the resources, not the immigration judges, not the health screening resources, not a law enforcement, none of it is there. and it really goes back to what is he was talking about, there are a lot of people who are fine with that as long as they can continue to profit from it politically and say that there's chaos at the border, please donate to the bottom this email. >> and if you live in new york city, if you live in -- you view completely opposite. it started this 50 people, 70 people, 100 people a day, now we're talking about thousand people a day. so it's completely -- like a snowball and very soon it will not be just schools, not just coney island, brooklyn, many schools now consider normal place to live. but also unpleasantly hearing from -- administration all options are

on the table. any public spaces. even parks and more. so i believe we need to legally, legally i'm talking about, closing borders, processing everyone. if you need to invest more border patrol do it. why not? not to make everything legal. i would say caution. >> thank you very much for sharing your story and those thoughts. all right, coming up, a suspected shoplifter shot and killed by security guard in the middle of walgreens and san francisco. why the d.a. is deciding not to press charges, and what this has in common with the subway chokehold. you need to deliver new apps fast using the services you want in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud serviceses that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovatee and grow.

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>> the district attorney attempt disco announcing that her office will not file charges against a security guard who shot and killed a suspected shoplifter at walgreens. prosecutors say the guard acted in self-defense. our panel is back. well so joined by john demand. john, this is a confusing cases because this is a security guard acted in self-defense but also that the shoplifted did not have a weapon. so it's something of a mixed message that the security guard believe that the shoplifter had a weapon, but is that reason to shoot and kill? is that good enough? >> in many cases self defense is predicated on a feeling that your life could be in danger. we saw the video.

the dea put out a video showing a shoplifter, this young man, obviously tragically killed. that is not an outcome anybody wants. >> we have the video. >> wrestling with a security guard. >> yeah, let's play a little of. this as you say, there is pushing. and there's a fight. a fistfight. and they are on the ground. and obviously we won't show the shooting part but at some point -- >> he let the shoplifter go and then the shoplifter lunged back at him, launched back at him and -- >> and he thought he was gonna be stabbed. >> yes. >> but looked, the controversy here, beyond the video, some of the people who are outraged with the decision not to prosecute are saying in the

articles that this man was killed for $14. he killed for poverty. i think that's a dodge. he was killed because of, because he was trying to steal an atmosphere of rampant lawlessness. >> not a capital offense. >> but the idea that there's a right to steal, the stopping people from stealing in stores is itself acceptable has nothing to do, same idea as leaving alone these open air drug markets. here's one winner probably be more conservative that some of my friends here, having written new york city. anarchy is one of the founding fathers understood leads to tyranny. of there's an absolute abandonment of enforcing laws, you have civic disorder, you have violent, that creates conditions that end up with incidents like this. >> do you think this person's death is gonna start stop next shoplifter? >> possibly. because i think people often. twice >> what do you think, earl? >> no. it won't. people don't try to steal $14 worth of stuff or make idle

threats about i'm going to stab you because they expect to get killed. i don't think that's legally enforceable standard. if more people get shot and killed in the course of shoplifting i don't think it's going to change anything. it will reveal to us as a society that we're using a non reasonable amount of force and we're gonna have to try some other tools to try and deal with it. >> that is true. i think everyone agree that killing someone for shoplifting is disproportionate. but you don't know in that situation if a person is armed or what their intentions are. and on the one hand, you have to enforce the laws. that is leading to the lawlessness that leads people to feel unsafe. that leads people to make them do things and people dying needlessly because they feel so unsafe. or not addressing the root causes some of this, which is mental health, homelessness, and poverty, and we're also not enforcing our law is. this is a terrible combination.

>> this is a judgment call by unelected prosecutor. she could've made the opposite conclusion and that would've been perfectly lawful, as well. they could have just said, in our discretion, we think this wasn't reasonable let's give it to a. jury >> true. >> they just me the opposite conclusion. i don't think there's a right or wrong. she got elected specifically. she replaced chester boudin who clearly might have gone in a different direction. we can't put this off on capitalism or on the district attorney or anybody else. this is all of. us we have to decide what we're gonna do with this. >> clearly mental illness, sorry, is a major contributing factor to this, with the atmosphere of lawlessness, where people, feel it's not just an individual case, we've seen videos of people point these off shelves and steering with impunity, creating an atmosphere fear of lawlessness, all that toxic brew is totally out of control. >> this is why there's a misdemeanor broken windows theory. however unfashionable it is. >> nothing was amazing about the videos if you watched it

wise, as the fight was going on people are leaving the store and just walking into the store. literally. walk into the store while they are on the ground. the guy has been a chokehold. and he seemed totally indifferent to what's happening. and that, i think, does tell you that in a certain level of disorder and crime has become normalized in the city, and that they are just, people are just like well that's just what happens basically. and i have to say that does seem problematic. it does seem like a problem. >> that was my next question which is, some of these are connected, as i said, to the subway chokehold, which is that there is homelessness. there's mental illness. there's also a petty crime. some of these are crimes but there is an atmosphere of these things and you're asking people who live there, residents, to navigate through some of this -- and what's the answer? >> you don't know how the lives gonna be enforced. i know i'm a new york every day. i don't always feel like there's a cop in every corner

or someone who's going to step in. it might have to be a citizen. that is awful. and that leads to some terrible decisions by citizens, because they're not law enforcement. but it shouldn't have to be their way. >> this is alter he is back to that bernard gantz and death wish. there is vigilantism insecurity carey trying to do their job, there's a difference, fighting with people who are showing no respect for the basic social contract. it's not about poverty and he is about mental illness in this case but it's not about $14. >> you know what it's about, is fear. you read the transcript of what this person was feeling when he decided to take this man's life. what he says is, i was afraid. and you go back to the subway car, where we just had somebody who screamed and said he was hungry and thirsty instead of giving him a sandwich he was choked to death. >> he also said i don't care if i go to jail or die. >> i don't care for liberty. >> what are you about to? do >> people are so frightened the say we're gonna kill you than some people are praising that person is a hero.

>> yes. >> it is about that. >> i tried to one activist who was right on point when he said scare people make mistakes. scared people make horrible mistakes. and it is up to leadership, including media leadership, to not encourage and throw gasoline on the fear but to try and explain to people, you know what? try not to be petrified in a city where there are hundreds of -- >> solve the problem, leaders! not try not to be afraid. i am afraid. tell people to solve the problem! >> this is about why are we not applying public private policies? we've gone through cities with a civic disorder, rising crime and all that. it's not about coverage of that in flames makes it worth worse, although that may contribute to the atmosphere of fear. the reason broken windows works, jumps q will serve the atlantic picked up -- and a lot of other people and helped bring down crime in

cities across the nation was the idea of if there is so disorder, a broken window, and that is not repaired quickly, it sends an unconscious signal that it's okay to break windows, and soon you have no windows on that street. >> i took classes with james q in the other law came out. no word in it does it say, if you are afraid of deadly force. >> of course not. >> this is about the atmosphere. >> so then we should recognize in san francisco or anywhere else, if what you're doing is letting your fear runway with you to the point that you see a shoplifter as a deadly threat and feel empowered to act on it with a color of law behind you, then -- >> you are not upholding civilization. you're not curing the problem. we're actually >> we'd actually bring the atmosphere of fear and disorder caused this tragedy like this. >> i have to go, but -- >> where you going? [laughter] >> i will throw myself. it was so good we can't do any

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>> we're talking too much. bear with us. we have a lot to say about this list next sigmund. her bomber is opening up about the marital challenges he and first lady michelle faced during his years in office. he responded to remarks the michelle made about their marriage few months ago. >> people think i'm being kathy by saying this. it's like there were ten years where i couldn't stand my husband. >> [laughter] >> guess what it happened? when those kids were little. for ten years when we're trying to build our careers around about school and who's doing what, i was like oh, this isn't even. and guess what? my marriage isn't 50/50, ever. >> okay, so then president

obama explained how his role as a father and husband has changed. >> let me just say this. it sure helps to be out of the white house. >> [laughter] >> to have a little more time with her. michelle, when our girls were growing up, that was priority number one. two, three, and four. and i did not fully appreciate, as engaged of a father as i was, the degree of stress and tension for her. >> okay. errol, you found this hard to watch. >> yeah. you want to be encouraged by these people. you want to see, like, leadership, but not necessarily a fairytale happy ending, but if you're the most powerful person in the world, you have the secret service, you have the white house staff. everything is taking care. if you have a. chef a show for protecting kids

everywhere. and there's still a lot of tension? you still can't figure it out word to the point where the spouses are fighting? wow, that's something. >> i actually think obama kind of played a little game there, which is, if you listen to what michelle said, she was talking, i think, mainly about before they got to the white house she was talking about when the kids were little. when we got to the white house, that she was ten and melia was seven, or maybe it was the other way around, and i actually, as i have two little kids, and i felt kind of sympathetic to what michel was saying. i was like oh, wow, even bronco boma his wife says she couldn't stand him. because my wife, i think, if you asked her would say the same thing about me. >> [laughter] >> and i do think there is this way in which even in the most progressive marriages, where both partners want to be doing

the same kind of thing, that is usually a default parent, and that fault parent is usually the mother. and that is really what michel was talking about. that sense of always been the one who was responsible. >> there's a great series, i don't know if you guys watched it, called first ladies, and it was dramatized telling of the obamas and the roosevelts air and who was the, other the fords. what >> michel fiver is betty ford, come on. >> really gave our window into the only time michel is talking about in their marriage. and it was not all good. it was interesting and strange to. see >> what was the tension? >> she has ambition. she was also ambitious. she was going places. and in fact there was a time where they thought she was going to be -- >> she was his mentor at the law firm. >> there was a tension. and i just thought it was really refreshing. i love that series but also refreshing to hear in realtime,

today, both of them be honest about their marriages. i love when anyone shares that relatability in their life. i just think that helps someone else in their life. so it was great. >> that's why i think this resonated so much. here's a couple that can seem close to perfect. and when ever there are these historical figures to put on a pedestal, to see them as human, as flawed, to being open about their struggles of the new challenges even in their marriage with all that support. that, i think, is not only relate-able, i think it's heartening. because marriage can be hard, and a lot of the really deep victories comes from getting through the hard times. i remember my grandparents, who were married for over 50 years, when i got, married my grandmother saying it's never gonna be 50/50. if you think it's 70 5:25, he'll probably end up somewhere in the middle. and that's what they're referring to as well, particularly when the kids are. young >> and who among us had a vibrant romantic marriage when

their kids were young? >> [laughter] >> we all have jobs and you have little kids, and see you in a few years. >> when obama says it much better now than i'm out of the white house, it's also better because your kids are in their twenties. so you're not dealing with this. but i do think one of the things that's really interesting about this, this is the first presidential couple where we really have heard this. this kind of honesty. because the clintons, obviously, they had a very complicated relationship. this is really, i think, the most relate-able we've ever heard a president and first lady talk. i think that's why it's so powerful. >> but to errol's point, if you are having marital issues,. don't -- >> stronger and more connected. you're going to be preoccupied for 40 years. >> but listen, they were both ambitious as a family, as a couple. and in very similar ways to the

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>> author salman rushdie is speaking out about freedom of expression in a rare public speech since he was stabbed last year and one of his eyes was badly damaged in that attack. he condemned anyone trying to ban books in places like florida and those who are even revising older works to take outwards now seen its offensive. >> now, sitting here in the united states, i have to look

at the extraordinary attack on libraries and books for children in schools. the attack on the idea of libraries themselves. i have to say it's also, i mean, alarming to see publishers looking to, how shall i put this, bob rise some people like ronald al and ian fleming. people coming to us from their time must be other time and if that's difficult to take, don't read it. read another book. but don't try and remake yesterday's work in the light of today's attitudes. >> back with my panel. certainly interesting to hear him talk. he knows a thing or two about being under attack for freedom of speech. >> yeah. i think both of his points there are really important.

in terms of the bowler icing or revising of books called all has been revised by his estate somewhat strange ways taking it not just obviously offensive words but -- >> but yet conjunction, was it is a state that prompted it or was it was -- >> probably a combination. but in fleming's estate is older revising it actually don't have any problem with an actual ball or author. roald dahl himself the oompa loompas were originally slaves, and he revised that, but i think it's weird to publish books that under an authors name that they did not write in effect which is now the case with ronald all and we'll be in fleming's books, incredibly offensive. the early ones, especially. and i think what rushdie is saying there other time you wear them or don't read them but i think the bigger one is the bans on books in school libraries and in schools places like florida, tennessee, texas

where some libraries have tried to motioning down libraries and into that far more consequential and far greater. so i'm glad he was -- >> i think everyone at this table takes first amendment rights pretty seriously. but i've got to tell you, it's a very disorienting to live in a time where these rights are under assault, i think, from the left and the right at the same time. the book bans are awful, regressive, fascist, terrible, but the revision-ism to his terrible, not just because it's sanitizing, it's pretending this time did or not exist. it's important to know this time exists so we don't repeat it. it's important to know, in age-appropriate ways, people learn that as they grow up. it's very weird to be my age and lived in a time where so much democracy, some joke a little too much democracy, that

to see these kinds of assault happening now. >> i think that's what was great about rushdie's comments. someone who has been such a free speech laurel laurie warrior, lionized by many on the right who questioned whether satanic verses could be published today. and here in a statement he is taking aim at the far left and the far-right and the feedback loop that exists. noting the crucial differences. the extremism on the left tends to be of a cultural sort. we're going to re-write this to account for sensitivities. there's something alien about. that the extremism on the right in this case is political. it's governmental. it's book bans. it's speech codes, often in the name of free speech, which makes it even more orwellian. and i think that in itself is clarifying. >> it's an important warrior, literally, put his life on the line for what he believes in, wouldn't question that it all. i think, though, he's a little pessimistic. i wanted to hear a call to arms. and i think we should do

everything we can to remind people that there are organizations that can join or support, not just the big ones like american library association or pan america, the comic book legal defense fund. there's all kinds of groups that are out there, and it's really important. i was looking at this, this is the ninth anniversary, may of 1933 when they burned 20,000 books at a plaza in berlin. we knew even then, and later of course it became horribly true, they weren't just trying to burn ideas. they were going to come for the alters of those ideas and the people represented in those books. that's exactly what the nazi state. so this is not just a cultural preference or we don't want to hear about lgbtq in this town, this is really a lot at stake and people should make sure that they understand that and get involved in the fight. >> and the horrific quote that came out of that time, that is proof tragically true, the place where they burn books they will certainly burn people. >> one thing internally about

that was in tennessee where the superintendent basically told the librarian she couldn't read these two books, one that was about a little girl with two fathers, and another one about a bear, and it ends up adopting got wings. >> very offensive. >> yeah exactly. these incredibly inoffensive books that were considered of offensive only because included same-sex couples, basically. but a couple days ago there was a hearing and parents spoke up against the ban. they were quite angry, justifiably so, and so i do think there's a lot of untapped energy, i think, out there among americans, against banning books. i think one of the big problems we have had with the florida laws, with the things we are seeing in places like tennessee, is it a small minority of people are able to essentially impose their wills because school superintendents are basically like, you know what, this is too much of a hassle. >> and sometimes they're on the scoreboard. >> or advance their agenda.

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i'm not calling anyone a [bleep], i can say the word. >> the student, who said the teacher said it a lot, decided to make this recording. while that student is also being punished. 15 year old mary walton said she was suspended for three days for violating the schools electronic device policy. errol, the student handbook of the school says the kids are not allowed to use electronic devices inappropriately. >> listen, the rules are intended to create a situation of learning and safety and growth. and all of that happened without the rules. so on one level you could probably suspend the rule in this particular case. >> do you think? >> they chose not to do it, and frankly, it sounds a little bit like the schools trying to maybe cover up their own hiring policy. how did this person get into a classroom in the first place? there have been embarrassed by. it they should not take it out on the student. >> that students are journalist, is what that kid is. and there is a thing called citizen journalism, right? i thought that was really brave

and i don't think that student, i mean, i don't know, i can't psychology, but i don't think that student was trying to surveil the class. i think knew if he didn't have it on camera nobody would believe him? or the teacher might protest? it contest it? i loved it. we love whistleblowers in our business. we love journalism. that was journalism. >> even gave a warning, which i never would've done. i would just have said china tried to get a person fired. like you can lose your job. >> so that was her saying that to. him all i did know that. but here's what her mother had to say about all of this. >> i think they're saying no your place. and i think that they are protecting the adults and the status quo more than they are encouraging the students to learn or grow or apply critical thinking skills. >> yeah. if you are in critical thinking skills, which what she did was exhibit a.

>> she just spent three days writing up the whole experience. and maybe get it published a local newspaper. >> there are good ways, where, as kids, and college kids later, where you're supposed to challenge authority, especially when you think it is unjust. you don't want kids, you know, breaking all the rules all the time, but i love that kid had that sense of duty and purpose. absolutely. >> here's what the springfield public schools had to say about. this student is one is confidential, springfield public schools cannot discuss actions taken. the student handbook is clear on consequences for inappropriate use of electronic devices. here's where they say the student went wrong. any consequences applied for the scope and sequence would also consider if minors identifiable in the recording and watch, if any, hardships or endured by other students due to a violation of privacy with the dnc emanation of the video

in question. >> [laughter] >> keep the lawyers out of the classroom, please. keep the lawyers out of the classroom. >> not seeing a lot of minors faces disclosed. >> now, because of so far beyond is. the technology is so far beyond this, they are applying a strict narrow reading of the law, or their rules. >> that's dixon ian. >> it doesn't make any sense. the kids are going to put all this on the web and laugh about. and that's where it's gonna go. >> thank you very much, great to see you guys. all right, some of our top reporters are here next to talk about the stories that they are working on for tomorrow, including special elections and primaries across the country. you could see them hard at work right now, right there, as the results are rolling in. we have all their scoops, next. h the pain and symptoms? with ubrelvy, there's another option. one dose works fast to eliminate migraine pain. treat it anynytime, anywhere without worrying where you are

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