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tonight. the vote is expected to be referring the matter to the house ethics committee. that is something that kevin mccarthy said he wants to happen, quote, rapidly. >> i think question look at this very quickly and come to a conclusion on what george santos did and did not do through ethics. a safe bipartisan committee. i would like the ethics committee to move rapidly on this. >> the ethics committee announced an investigation back in march looking into whether george santos engageded in unlawful 5:00 test related to that 2022 congressional campaign filled with lies. santos is also indicted last week on 13 federal criminal charges including wire fraud, money laundering, theft to public funds and making false statements to the house. >> also this -- cnn this morning continues right now.
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>> we seek to balance protecting unborn babies while ensuring the safe care of others. >> you will never back down! >> president biden has speaker mccarthy calling the debt ceiling negotiations productive. >> the president selected two people to directly negotiate us with. default is a disaster. >> artificial intelligence is moving so fast, it baffles even the people that create it. >> there is a chance that goes wrong and destroys humanity. >> we want to work with the government to prevent that from happening. >> are we going to see any action being taken? that is the question. >> high schoolteacher using the n word in a missouri classroom. a 15-year-old student suspended for three days over the recording. >> they're protecting the status quo more than they are
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encouraging the students to apply critical thinking skills. >> the number one pick in the nba draft goes to the san antonio spurs. >> welcome in perhaps the greatest draft prospect. >> this is a special moment. >> be ready. >> get ready. >> that's going to be really fun to watch. >> also, a good message not just for them but also. >> critically important to all of you, that is the debt ceiling and raising it. president biden is now cutting major trip short as the pressure builds to reach a deal with republicans by june 1st and prevent economic calamity. it comes after another round of talks can kevin mccarthy and other congressional leaders yesterday. >> i did think this one was a little more productive.
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we're a long way apart. but what changes in this meeting was the president has now selected two people from it his administration to directly negotiate with us. >> president biden is still heading to japan. he leaves today for the g-7 summit. the white house is scrapping plans to visit australia and a historic first time stop in new guinea. a trip that was supposed to showcase america's power against china. critical in that region. >> yeah. absolutely. and president biden is apparently trying to bring leave ti to the congressional meeting he had with leaders. a rare meeting where kevin mccarthy was in the oval office. >> get a good picture of all of us. we're having a wonderful time everything is going well. >> joining us now, white house press secretary. thank you for being here. i think the big question that everyone has this morning is whether or not an agreement can be reached by june 1st. what do you think? >> well, the president said yesterday he is optimistic.
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as it relates to the budget. that we can come to a responsible bipartisan budget on spending. on appropriations. how we move forward. how do we see the value of this country? he said that yesterday. i made clear as well, we have said this, the meeting yesterday was productive. but it was also direct. on how america is going to pay its debt and not default for the first time. so those are the two conversations that they had. again, the president has said he directed his team, his staff to continue to have that -- those meetings. we can get to a place where there say budget on his desk. he is looking forward to speaking to the congressional leaders later this week on the phone and seeing them once he returns from his overseas trip. >> we're told that the team of emissaries met last night. do you know when they're set to meet again? >> i don't have a set time. as you know, they've been pretty much meeting on a daily basis. it's been productive. so, we expect that to continue.
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but again, the president is optimistic. look, as you know, we have said this over and over again. the president said this. the we're not a deadbeat nation. we pay our debts. this is something that congress should do. they have done this 78 times since 1960. as it relates to the debt limit, that is something we can do. the president on march 9th put forward his budget. it was very clear. he showed the value that he sees when it relates to the american people. how to be fiscally responsible. $3 trillion cutting into the deficit by over ten years and making sure we get rid of that wasteful spending when it comes to big oil companies, when it comes to big pharma, cutting that down. that wasteful spending. and, so, that's what the president had put forth. and now we're having that discussion with on the bunt. how to move forward. and that's what you've been seeing from this president from the last couple days. >> how long does the president want this debt limit hike to last?
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does he want it go into 2025? >> i'm not going to negotiate from here. you can understand. these conversations are currently happening on the staff level. the president met with the four congressional leaders. i'm just not going to do that from here. this is something that needs to get done as it relates to the debt limit as soon as possible. if we decent deal with the debt limit, it could trigger a recession. we could lose millions of jobs. all of the successes we've seen in the last two years from this president with 12.7 million jobs and unemployment at historic lows, think about the retirement accounts. that can devastate retirement accounts. of that's what the president made clear. he held the line on this. >> yeah. there appear to be some areas where they do agree. the white house said initially they were not going to negotiate on this. but, of course, the negotiations
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are now happening behind the scenes. it seems there is some agreement on the caps of the spending, undesignated covid fund. when it comes to the stricter work requirements that republicans say they want to be part of this, is that something that white house is open to doing? >> so, look, here's the reality of this. here are the facts. republican proposals, they want to cut health care. they want to increase poverty. and it's not going to save much money. and these are the same proposals that they had tried to pass when there was a unified republican government, if you will, and they couldn't get it done then. the president is hoping there is a responsible bipartisan budget that is on his desk and we can move forward with. >> i understand you're not going to negotiate from here. this is an important point. over the weekend, the president spoke publicly about. this he seemed open to
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potentially agreeing to something on this. we have democrats saying they believe it's ridiculous that is at the centerst negotiations. that's what dick durbin said. he would have a very hard time voting for something that has work requirements. it's important to know whether stricter requirements are on the table here. >> whether it cops to snap and other programs like that, work requirements have been the law since 1980, something the president voted when he was a senator. that has been in place for some time. it has been law. i just stated, i just laid out what the republicans proposals are which sin crease in poverty. which is the proposal to actually doesn't save much money and taking away health care from millions of americans. that is something that the president is not for. look, we're going to continue -- we're going to continue to work towards a bipartisan reasonable budget that the president can get to the president's desk that he can sign.
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that's what his team is working towards. that's the conversation that he had with congressional leaders. and also, holding the line very firmly on what congress needs to do which is increase the debt limit. we've been clear about that. the president has been very clear about. that we're not a deadbeat nation. this is something that the congress constitutional duty. that has been done 78 times since 1960. >> the president, as you know, you're set to leave with him to go to japan in a few hours. critical visits at a critical time as the u.s. is working to counter china's influence. is the president concerned about domestic politics are undermining this foreign policy? >> so, as you stated, the pacific is critical. as we look at americans' role globally. but the other message, too, is americans do not default. america does not default on its
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debt. that's why the president is cutting his trip short. that's why he's going to return. continue the conversations that he's had with congressional leaders, as he has directed his staff to continue their daily conversations. he's optimistic. he's optimistic that we'll get to a reasonable bipartisan budget deal that can get to his desk and he can sign. but again, america does not default. this is something that congress needs to act on as it relates to the debt limit. he's going to continue to stand fo f firm on that. >> let's talk about what happened in north carolina last night. you saw the republican super majority there vote to override the veto from the democratic governor wlit comes to that abortion bill. basically, banning abortions after 12 weeks. most of them in the state of north carolina. i was struck by the statement that the white house put out just because it seems we've seen this successive part of issuing a statement from the white house on abortion restrictions that are happening all across the
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united states. >> so, look. we've been clear here. we've been seeing from, as you stated, state houses, republican majority state houses continuing to put these restrictive laws on women's health care. women's decision on their own body. we've been very clear. the biden-harris administration is going to continue to fight for women's health care, for women's reproductive right. that stands. we've been saying that for several months now since dobbs, since the dobbs decision was done last june. and we put in some processes in place to make sure that women's health care are protected. look, the president has also been clear that we need to make sure that roe becomes a law of the land. he is also called on congress do just that. but we've called out these horrific bills across the country. we'll continue to do that. a woman should decide what they -- what she wants to do with her own health care. that should be a private decision that she should be making with her and her family and her doctor. and that's -- we've been very
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clear on that. we'll continue to fight for women to have that freedom. >> thank you for making time for us before you head to japan with the president. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> now to this. there are questions surrounding nor dianne feinstein after her brief exchange yesterday with reporters on the hill. the democrat recently returned after an extended absence from capitol hill recovering from shingles. a reporter asked the 89-year-old lawmaker how she's been received by her colleagues since she returned to washington. let me read you the exchange. it was no the on camera. here it is. quote, what i have heard about what? she asked? about your return, the reporter replied. i haven't been gone, she said. you should. i haven't been gone. i have been working. you've been working from home? is that what you're saying, the reporter asked? no. i've been here. i've been voting. please, either know or don't know. no word back. joining us no you is benjamin
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areskez, one of the reporters that asked the questions. he's a reporter for "los angeles times." so you were there. is there nuance mised in what i just read? >> i think -- i mean, no. i think that, you know, given the ample amount of reporting that we've seen in outlets like my outlet, "san francisco chronicle," new yorker about her memory loss, her struggles to keep up an intense schedule that a senator requires. we felt it was important to put this out into the world. she's been back for a week. maybe she thought i was, you know, talking about the last week. but given what has been reported and had been reported over the last couple years, it sort of seemed in line with that. and, you know this is someone who -- whose absence was felt deeply by colleagues partially because they're close to her and also because it made the work of government more difficult. and sort of seeing her in one of the brief moments she's been pretty shielded from reporters.
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we were trying to show what she is like right now. we don't get a lot of opportunities to hear her talk. this was important for that reason. >> did her office say anything after this exchange happened? did they try to clarify? you have heard anything from them? >> no. we all have audio. the there were multiple staffers with her at that moment. they had nothing to say after went to them. >> senator bloomenthal has been vocal saying she is fully capable of doing her job. i wonder if you're hearing the same from the rest of her democratic colleagues in private. >> it's a mix. obviously, you know, we've been reporting on this story from d.c. and from california where there is an incredible amount of anxiety. her seat is open. people are -- three people are running. three prominent democrats are running. definitely from her colleagues
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in d.c. they are confident that she can vote and happy to have her back and they say she is the master of her own fate. she's in control of her own health decisions. if she feels she is healthy, she should be here. >> benjamin, thank you very much. you said you have the audio, right? so people could go and listen for themselves? okay. >> yeah. >> all right. we'll try to play that later. thank you very much. also, new study released overnight on the rising rate of depression in the united states. numbers you want to see. the. >> meanwhile, dwayne "the rock" johnson opening up about his own mental health struggles. that's all ahead.
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i didn't know what it was. i didn't know what mental health was. i didn't know what depression was. i just knew i wasn't going to be. there i wasn't going to any team meetings. i wasn't participating in anything. years later, i went through it again whether i got a divorce. and didn't know what was. >> yeah. >> years later, around 2017 or so, went through a little bit. >> weird. >> but knew what it was at that time. and luckily at that time i had some friends that i could lean on. >> that is the rock.
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opening up in a very candid way about his own battle with depression on a recent episode of "the pivot podcast". he's not alone. a new survey just released this morning actually shows 29% of adults have been told by a doctor or a nurse they have depression. 18% of those adults are currently being treated for it. joining us now to talk about that report is clinical psychologist at nyu health. thank you so much for being here. people are struck about it numbers. you'll hear from a celebrity and talking about it is important. but it is someone that everyone is dealing with, a lot of people. >> these are very high numbers. and interestingly, we have seen a growing trend in the rates of depression in adults, also our young people as well. and it's prominent to see it displayed here to talk b i'd love to discuss also some of the reasons why we may be seeing the numbers. >> why? >> i think over the years, you know, we've seen a trend in
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women increasing numbers of depression and anxiety. we know that coming out of the pandemic there were a number of factors there that led people to be forced to think about how they're feeling. i think a lot of people started talking about it. from a mental health professional level as well as just from the medical field. i think we're getting better at understanding what depression looks like and what these mental illnesses look like and we're getting better at diagnosing them, particularly among certain groups as well. >> i wonder what people should do and to figure out if they're just down or sad or depressed. >> right. i think it's a hard thing to think about. we don't -- you know, a lot of people have these feelings. we want to make sure that people don't feel alone in what they're experiencing. it can be very confusing. as we saw from the rock. it can be confusing and hard to know what am i feeling and what this means. and many people often think that, well, nothing can be done about this. i must just be suppress this or just deal with it. and really, we want to encourage people to talk to their support
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systems if they're there or at least reach out to some type of treatment team, medical team to get support. we do have a number of when they're available good resources for individuals. but it could be hard to know what do i do with these feelings? >> and i don't juanwant to be a burden with with these feelings. >> it is tough for people. but i'm saying tough for people to talk about it. symptoms is something that people want to know. as poppy is saying, how do you no he when you crossed that threshold that you are there? it is something you should seek treatment for. >> an individual, if it they can be aware of what they're going through, hopefully can ascertain whether or not these feelings really are above and beyond what is common for them. and if these symptoms such as loss of interest in pleasant activities, withdrawal from normal routines of life, not really showing up for your friends, you know, activities and what not and really just a fatigue, excessive need for sleep, if those things persist for a long period of time, for more than a two-week period and
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cause significant disruption in any major life area, then that really is a good time to say, hey, maybe i should start to talk to someone or just ask for support. >> maybe -- what about listening to people around you that love you, friends to say, seems like something seems different. >> right. oftentimes it is hard if an individual is in the midst of a depression to accept that support. because they don't want to a burden. they feel like perhaps no one may understand exactly what i'm going through. there can be a little bit of a thing there. >> is this just because of covid this elevated number? if it is, is it reversible? now more people are going back to work. they get to be with people. she makes me happier every morning. really, just talking to people. >> that is great point. i think that getting back to the routine of work where you can feel a sense of accomplishment and mastery and be around wonderful people can certainly help with that. i think that covid certainly provided a lens into what we were experiencing. and for many individuals and communities, we saw a rues in
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the depression rates due to the circumstances and the stressors. >> yeah. >> doctor, really important numbers for us to keep track of and check on your friends and family. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. so, unwelcomed news for home depot and concerning sign for the u.s. consumer. the company reported slower sales, a 4.5% drop by stores. we're joined by our cnn business reporter. they were booming because we were all redoing things in our home during covid. we couldn't go out. is this now because we are going out? >> right, poppy. you look at home depot sales from 2019 to 2022. home depot was a real winner during the pandemic. sales boomd in 2020 when we were stuck at home. we weren't going out. we weren't going to movies and traveling. just spending on home renovations, remodelling. the kitchen, doing our outdoors or back doors. but now sales are starting to slow down. down 4.2% last quarter from a
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year ago. so why is this happening? people are -- fewer big ticket purchases, expensive purchases like grills and patio furniture. consumers are taking on smaller home renovation projects. so home depot is projecting the first sales declan, annual sales decline since 2009. >> do you think this is very different than, say, a bed bath & beyond scenario. but also, a lot of the things from there, you could order online, et cetera. a lot of things from home depot or lowe's you have to go buy the lumber, feel it, huge items, right? >> totally. home depot has been one of the better performing brick-and-mortar stores. this is not a bed bath & beyond story or the other retail bankruptcies. people still do want to shop in stores. we saw retail sales last month up 0.4% from the month prior. but people are changing how they're spending. we're still shopping online, buying from amazon.
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we're going out to bars and restaurants more. but we're not spending on these big ticket expensive goods like electronics, tvs and furniture. >> thank you. good to have you on. appreciate it. also this morning, a high school student is suspended after she recorded her teacher reportedly -- repeatedly, i should say, using a racial slur. now the family is challenging the suspension. also, silicon valley bank ceo getting absolutely grilled by senators on capitol hill after the bank's collapse forced the government to step in. >> you made a really stupid bet that went bad. didn't it? >> senator -- >> and the taxpayers of america had to pick up the tab. for your stupidity, didn't they? if you're looking for a medicare supplement insurance plan that's smartrt now...
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a teenager recorded her
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teacher repeatedly using the n word and then the student was the one that got suspended. of she is heading back to class today. this is what happened according to the student's attorney. the teacher used a racial slur several times during a class on geometry that prompted the high schooler to pull out her phone and started recording. she was doing the right thing. documenting her teach aer's behavior. and now the family is challenging the student's suspension and demanding the teacher apologize. what exactly is happening here? >> i can tell that you family is also wondering if that student didn't pull out her cell phone and start recording would we be having this conversation? as she heads to the classroom today, that teacher she recorded will not be there. >> video shared on social media shows a high schoolteacher using the n word at least twice in a missouri classroom.
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mary walton, a 15-year-old student, disturbed. began filming. [ beep ] >> i understand. >> i can say the word. >> that was may 9th. the teacher was initially placed on administrative leave. the principal calling the language, quote, inappropriate and inexcusable. a week later, that teacher has resigned. a statement from springfield public schools announces he is, quote, no longer employed. mary was also punished. suspended for three days over the recording. the harshest penalty for this type of offense under school cell phone rules. >> we asked them to lift the suspension and go back to school immediately and apologize. mary saw something she believed needed to be reported. >> according to a news release from attorney, the geometry teacher interrupted a conversation between students about the slur.
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students explain it's derogatory context before one cautions the teacher about using it. >> as a teacher, if you want to keep your job, this isn't a threat. >> about 50 sneeconds in the sht clip, the teacher notices the camera recording him. >> no. >> the school district says it's discipline is, quote, confidential for federal law. but noted that student handbook limits inappropriate use of electronics and considers the identification minor students when disseminating video. >> i think they're saying know your place. they're protecting the adults and status quo more than they are encouraging students to learn or grow or apply critical thinking skills. >> the school district also prohibits, quote, recording of faculty or staff in the classroom without prior approval and recording, quote, acts of violence. they claim that policy is
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problematic and it has a chilling effect on students like mary looking to hold authority figures accountable. >> they could get in trouble for capturing evidence of a crime. >> meanwhile, the school district has not identified the teacher and in this video that you saw, we did not show the teacher's face. that was at the request of mary's attorney. meanwhile, we know the n word is what is the alternative to the word. it is a word some people will not say. back during the famous o.j. sim p p -- simpson trial, he severely limited the word in his courtroom. that is after a key witness used the word multiple times. and, again, that was in the 1990s. today is 2023. we're talking about the word used in a classroom. >> and the student being suspended for record bhag was
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happening. adrian, as you learn more, keep us updated. thank you. the senate banking committee got its chance on tuesday to grill executives from signature bank and silicon valley bank more than two months ago the failure of svb shook americans' confidence in the banking system and triggered a domino effect that led to the collapse of signature bank and then weeks later first republic. in his first public remarks since the collapse, silicon valley bank's former ceo achieved what few could have in washington, unity among republicans and democrats. he attempted to deflect blame. >> the takeover of svb is devastating. i'm truly sorry how this impacted svb's employees, clients, and our shareholders. >> did you make my poor decisions? >> senator, based on a previous question asked about looking in hindsight, i truly do believe that with the information we had at the time when we made our
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decisions, we made the best decision that's we could have. sn senator, there were a series of events that occurreded that led us to this. >> this was bone deep. it was down to the marrow. stupid. >> senator elizabeth warren pressed becker in a heated exchange in how much of his own compensation he was going to return. >> how much of the $40 million are you planning to return? how many times would we do this dance? >> senator, i promised to cooperate with the regulators as they -- >> are you planning to return a single nickel? >> senator, i no he there is going to be a process review of compensation. >> i'll take that as no. >> joining us is christine romans. much. >> that was something. bipartisanship on capitol hill. we haven't seen that in a while. >> republicans and democrats are rightly pressing the bank ceos
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about what went wrong here. elizabeth warren and others saying are you going to give back any of your money. you got stock all along the way. stock right up to the very end. and that gentleman and others were saying that is up to the board. the board makes those decisions. so you have regulators saying we need to look at that. given the fact that the fed had written warnings, so many of them to svb over the past year that had been ignored, maybe then you don't get your automatic stock, you know, stock deposit if you haven't addressed the outstanding problems. so that might be something that i think regulators look at going forward here. i didn't hear much sympathy at all for the ceos. they talked about, you know, the conversation -- senators talked about how simple risk management. simple hedging. it was clear that interest rates were going rise. maybe we didn't know they would rise this much this quickly.
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but sands were shifting. you were very focused on a small part, you know, small part of the industry at the very moment for tech in particular. everything was changing. it should have been clear you needed to do better risk management. they didn't. >> but that's what kills me was watching this was he seemed to kind of point finger at everyone else. he said he was truly sorry. but he didn't really seem to take any accountability for it or responsibility. he seemed to deflect blame for the things that if you're in this field seem obvious you should be monitoring. >> he also went back to a big criticism of the fed that inflation is transitory. he said we were told by the fed, the messaging from the fed is this would be transitory. inflation would be. and they would be raising interest rates to try to grapple it. and nobody knew the fed was so wrong and would have to get so aggressive in the rate hikes. you can't just blame this on the fed, especially whether you had outstanding sort of warning letters from the regional fed saying, hey, you got some risk management problems here. hey, you're overexposed here.
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if interest rates keep rising, you'll have a problem if you need to raise money. >> they got so many warnings. i think a real key is that the rules don't make them comply with the warning. >> right. absolutely. that's a hubge issue. watch this space if, you're not complying with the warnings, if you're going to get your periodic stock grants -- >> it's like saying i i want you to be on the set at 6:00 a.m. when the show starts. maybe i will. >> you just deflect blame. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. we have new reporting this morning in special counsel jack smith's investigation into classified documents, trump's classified documents. a key attorney is leaving trump's team. who is it? >> this is from me and paula reid. this is a key attorney, slishl whether it comes to the documents investigation. we have now learned that he is leaving trump's legal team. he gave a staple to cnn saying that it's been an honor to work through the interesting issues.
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he said the departure is a personal choice and doesn't reflect on the case. he believes the justice department is engaging in misconduct on this investigation. that is not a surprise. that's how the trump team feels about the documents investigation. but he is notable. he is the one who organized those searches for additional documents that you saw happen not just at mar-a-lago but the other properties as well last year. trump's other properties. and he also went and testified before the grand jury that investigating trump's handling of classified documents and information in december. he was there for several hours in that appearance. >> there's a lotter hoo. but this also comes after -- i'm not saying linked to, but questions you asked trump in the town hall about classified documents and you asking do you have more classified documents and him saying not really. this is such a key probe. and this is a guy that i think many americans actually know his name. trump has a lot of lawyers. this is one you know. >> he does have a lot of attorneys. we had him on cnn maybe two
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months ago or so to talk about the state of the investigations and where they stand. there are so many different investigations facing trump. but one thing that stood out, you know, the comments at the town hall when he said not really, that is about showing documents to everyone. but the questions about that he raised about whether or not he knowingly took documents with him. they kind of seemed to argue some of the attorneys previously that they kind of got swept up in the packing and the moving. trump seemed to indicate people knew he was taking the documents. he was talking about them being in plain view at that town hall. the other thing that is important to note about the legal team is palatore says this is a personal decision. we're seeing jack smith's case continue. they brought nearly everyone they could essentially bring in in front of the grand jury from grounds keepers at mar-a-lago to other people who helped prepare hamburgers, basically. it is an investigation that has been heating up much it's no the clear where it's ultimately
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going to go. obviously, they've been trying to tie it to the documents investigation that's are happening with biden as well he's got his own special counsel and pence. there is a clear distinction between those with whether or not -- and the obstruction if, there is obstruction. but it is notable. this also comes as there is a lot of in fighting. there is always in fighting in his legal teams, it seems like. i covered him for five years now. i think that is a factor as well. >> will this have any effect on cooperating with the special counsel going forward? >> i don't think it will be with cooperating. a lot of subpoenas are going before jack smith. the time lines are abrupt. it does remain to see what does mean to the legal team. does he keep the entire m mar-a-lago documents in place? it is interesting that attorneys are dealing with this is now leaving the trump administration. >> is trump saying anything? his remaining team? >> we just asked for comment. we know that palatore spoke with
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trump. it's not clear what was said in that investigation. we asked trump's team to comment. >> fascinating reporting, thank you. also this -- >> we've been tracking border crossings. they're down significantly across the southern border since the lifting of title 42 last week. was it what everyone was expecting? we'll talk to will heard, a congressman that represented a border district in texas. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools, like dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis helplp make trading feel effortless. and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market. e*trade fromorgan stanley. what's the #1 retinol brand
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broadly. joining now is will heard, represented texas's 23rd district, a border district. good to have your perspective. >> do you degree with the fellow republicans who said that is not what is going to last and that's not what we're seeing. they point to way over crowded facilities. that can't change because of what the federal judge ruled. >> i think people are trying to act like it's not a cruise is. you still have thousands of
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people coming into the country. you have hundreds of people in these camps and shelters and places like el paso. and just because you didn't see an increase doesn't mean that this was a success. but let's not be shocked. guess what? if you administer consequences to negative behavior, you may see that negative behavior stop. and the fact that the biden administration is deporting more people is at a positive thing? of course. i mean it should have been done two years ago. we have a long way to go. men and women in border patrol are still frustrated with the lack of policy. they are the ones that have to implement a bad policy. there are also concerns that after the human smugglers figure out the new rules that there is going to be ways to get around those new rules. and you have to remember, the smuggling operations are billion dollar businesses. >> so, it is still a crisis. it still a problem.
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still more work needs to be done. and we need to work with our allies and other countries which is not happening at the pace that i think it should. >> is that your sense of why the crush at the border did not materialize? we have been hearing and the republicans thought this was going to be this kill shot to alejandro mayorkas, the secretary and they've been so critical of and potentially may impeach? is it because they rushed resources to the border? they implemented the stricter asylum rules. they sent the 1500 troops that president biden ordered there. does it show that there is an ability to triage when there is an expected crisis? what does it say to you? >> i think what it says is that when there's consequences, right, the >> if they get deported they are not going to be able to come back for at least five years and try. there is not going to be repeat chances to come into the country illegally. that was the rumor going around some of the folks, some of the folks that around trying to come
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here illegally. what does that say? very simple. people know that if you come in between our ports of entry it's illegal. if you do that, you are going to get sent home, right? so that, i think, is a change that needs to continue and that -- and guess what? that's what president obama did. that's what george w. bush did. and why it's taken almost three years to figure it out is kind of shocking to me. this isn't rocket science. and the other thing that we need to be doing, hasn't been covered much, last week a number of leaders from latin american countries came in and said, hey, we need more help. we want to do more against the push factors that are happening -- >> could we get to that? you said on "meet the press" over the weekend the solutions are there, just take someone willing to do them. one of the economic factors that is pushing those migrants out towards the united states is the trump-era sanctions that remain
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and make it more economically dire for people in those countries. do you support at this point those being pulled back? >> well, i support creating a ten-year plan in the various regions within latin america that includes support using our foreign aid working with the diplomatic community. there is a number of organizations that are putting resources in those countries. >> you could do this now? >> agreed. what i just outlined does not require congress. this is something -- the biden administration can do it today and they should. and by the way, all of these countries are asking for it, right? this is our own backyard and we are not doing enough in order to grow the economy in these pluses and that helps us. it's a fraction of the cost to solve the problem in el salvador, guatemala and honduras than once it gets to the borders. another thing we should be doing is streamlining legal
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immigration. the fact that the economy is as bad as it is but so many industries need workers, do that. that bill is sitting on the table and can be brought up. speaker pelosi didn't do it. we know all the things that need to be done to address the crisis at the border, improve our economy and work with our allies around the world. but it requires people that have understanding of these issues and the political will to solve these problems. >> well, and there is -- it's difficult to get that political will. a lot of people talk about it on the campaign trail. we don't always see it fulfilled once they are in office. i think we should be clear with the audience, you are weighing your own run for the republican nomination for president, correct me if i'm wrong. we talked to trump last week and he always asserts that he fulfills his immigration policies but something chris christie pointed out, he didn't finish building the border wall.
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>> and the crisis that we're dealing with now began under donald trump, right? that is something that people forget. this notion of treating everybody as an asylum seeker, which led to these increase in numbers of coming into the country, began under the previous administration under donald trump. fentanyl increased under donald trump's tenure. right? the fact that twice as many people are dying from dorug overdoses than gun violence are shocking numbers. we have not seen a proper bored policy in a long time. it's gotten significantly worse under the biden administration. there is no question about that. but all of these solutions -- and your point, yeah, people talk a good game, you know, on tv and on twitter, but when it comes time to actually do something, right, nobody has the
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receipts to say we solve problems. >> talk about what ron desantis said. let's play it, it's very quick. >> i shut down the border immediately. why are we letting this happen to our country? [ applause ] >> it's hurting people. >> first of all, it's part of u.s. law that you allow asylum seekers in the country, not only the huge amount of trade that crosses that southern border, it's $1.8 billion a day. >> well, look, this is -- >> can't just shut it. >> this is the ignorance from our elected officials that don't understand the relationship between the u.s. and mexico. the amount of trade -- it's not just trade with texas, right? all 50 states are impacted by trade coming through our southern border. so closing the border is going to impact our economy at a time when people are concerned with inflation, at a time when folks feel like they are worse off
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than we were the previous year. >> talk about supply chain disruption. let's just close the southern border. >> but we know how to solve the problem. >> thank you for your straight talk. you proved yourself right at the beginning. >> be honest. >> and when are you making decision? >> for me, the opportunity to serve my country, if i have an opportunity to do it, i will take it. a decision has to come soon. >> soon. thank you. >> we will be watching. thank you for joining us to talk about such an important issue. >> thanks for having me on. meanwhile, north carolina republicans there have a super majority overrode the governor's veto and banned abortions in the state after 12 weeks. we are live outside the state capitol with reaction next.
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