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happening now. there is a ceremony at the white house. we'll get to the news out of philadelphia in just a minute, but president joe biden awarding the medal of valor to some slain police officers, emts and firefighters, as well. let's listen in. [ applause ]

>> firefighter justin hessler. firefighter justin hessler of new york city fire department for the absolute courage he displayed as he rush into a burning house and went through thick smoke and extreme heat despite an evacuation order to find and rescue a newborn baby, his undaunted determination under punishing conditions and put himself at grave risk saved the child's life and embodies the spirit of new york's bravest.

[ applause ] lieutenant jason hickey. lieutenant jason hickey of the new york city fire department retired for his fearless resolve and quick thinking as he braved life-threatening obstacles to rescue a man from the surging harlem river. his heroic action capped a 27-year career in selfless service to his colleagues and to the people of new york.

>> sabina amalia mora accepting on behalf of her son robert mora, dominique rivera for detective rivera and detective sulan. [ applause ]

>> detectives jason rivera and wilbert mora and detective summity sulan who put themselves in the line of fire protectioning an armed man. they positioned themselves between the assailant and the other occupants was house. they were ambushed, shot multiple times and died from their injuries. detective sulan struck down the gunman with the service weapon bringing an end to the deadly episode just 45 seconds after it begun. ing it, the officers' poise and valor saved lives and officers rivera and mora's sacrifice will never be forgotten. [ applause ]

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>> deputy bobby hu pham. deputy bobby hu pham of the clairemont county sheriff's office for his resolute determination to fulfill his mission diving into frigid waters to save a drowning woman despite not being able to swim and he had ingenuity and kecht h kept his composure to save the life of another. [ applause ]pt his composure to save the life of another. [ applause ]

[ applause ] [ applause ] >> sergeant kendrick simpo. sergeant kendrick simpo of the houston police department as he confronted a man carrying an assault-style rifle in a shopping mall who appeared intent on inflicting harm. he acted discreetly and decisively placing the safety of

others above his own and restraining the heavily armed suspect with his own hands. [ applause ] [ applause ] >> and firefighter patrick thornton. firefighter patrick thornton of the new york city fire department for diving instinctively toward danger to save a man trapped beneath a capsized boat and pulling him through treacherous waters to

safety. his courage and decisive action saved the man's life and demonstrated a commitment to the highest traditions of public service. [ applause ] [ applause ] >> let's give one last round of -- big round of applause. [ applause ]

[ applause ] >> thank you all for your service and your sacrifice, and i mean it sincerely. may god bless you and your fairlies. america owes you a debt gratitude. thank you. thank you. thank you. >> you've been watching the east room of the white house, president biden awarding the public safety officer medal of valor. that medal recognizes firefighters, law enforcement officers or emergency service officers who have exhibited exceptional courage regardless of personal safety in the attempt to save or protect human life. two of the recipients were killed in the line of duty here in new york city. a lot of people remember nypd officer wilbert mora and jason

rivera being shot and killed responding to a call in an apartment building. they received the awards posthumously. also receiving an award was officer sumit sulan who ultimately shot the man who opened fire on the other two officers. so a solemn ceremony this morning recognizing fallen officers as well as people for their courageous work in the line of duty. president biden very shortly, by the way, leaves for japan on an abbreviated trip to meet with world leaders. he cut that -- he will be cutting that trip short to come back to washington to get involved in the debt ceiling negotiations which are frankly at a new level. we'll have much more on that in a bit. first, though, the news that broke just before we saw this ceremony taking place. authorities in philadelphia have now captured a second escaped inmate after an extensive search. 18-year-old amean hurst escaped ten days ago alongside anotheren

m inmate. they escaped through a hole in the fence. cnn's danny freeman has been covering the story from the beginning and the question is how did they get him? >> john, at this point we are still waiting for specific details as to how they appreh apprehended amin hurst and in other suburban areas, as well. it was only just about an hour ago the philadelphia police commissioner, danielle atlaw, escapee amin hurst was taken into custody on washington avenue without incident and that's in west philadelphia in the cobbs creek area and they -- she thanked the u.s. marshalls service for their help. that arrest we are learning now took place at 8:50 a.m. and we got the notification ten minutes later. ten days ago, sunday, 8:30 p.m.,

these two prisoners, amin hurst and 24-year-old grant. they escaped through a hole and it was 24 hours later until the law enforcement folks in philadelphia including the correctional officers even realized that they had been missing. after that there was an all-out man hunt and john, it's been interesting. there have been a number of arrests and captures that have trickled out over the course of the next ten days and first, we saw potential accomplices to these folks that escaped from the jail. there's 21-year-old stalling and michael abrams and 35-year-old jose flores huerta and the last suspect accused of helping these two men escape. and stallings is a woman who was charged. the one that would interest you and 24-year-old nasir grant and how did that inmate escape? -- rather, how was the inmate captured?

the u.s. marshal service said they were tailing mr. grant and then they saw this man walk out of a building dressed in women's muslim clothing. they then apprehended him. he was very surprised that it turned out to be him in the end and amin hurst and grant captured this morning in philadelphia. >> important for philadelphia because this escape was an embarrassment and they missed three head counts after these inmates escaped through a fence. danny freeman, we'll leave you to dig on how the second capture happened. sarah? >> in just a bit, president biden will leave for the g7 summit in japan and he's cutting his trip short with stops in australia and papua new guinea so he can get back for negotiations on the debt ceiling. kevin mccarthy said the first meeting was productive and the

pair agreed to appoint representatives for direct negotiations between them and it's a minor sign of progress and there are just 15 days until june 1st. the date the treasury secretary says the u.s. could default on its debt if no deal is reached. cnn's manu raju is on capitol hill for us. manu, what are you hearing now? time is ticking fast. >> yeah. ain't no question about that. and the white house has resisted any negotiations if months as have senate democratic leaders and that posture changed in the aftermath of the refusal of the speaker of the house to simply raise the national debt limit without any conditions and without any spending cuts. he says there needs to be spending cuts and conditions. they passed a bill in the house to do just that and ultimately the white house reversed course and now these direct negotiations are happening in earnest. we expect the house speakers and top representatives and garrett graves to sit down and have negotiations with three top white house officials including

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up on one more requirement and one more hurdle and one more twist and one more turn that some people may walk away. >> are you worried the white house give in on this, though? >> they should not. >> the white house indicated its opposition to end including work requirements, but has not made that yet a red line in the talks, but there are a whole wide range of issues to resolve how long to raise the national debt limit and what level of caps to include on domestic discretionary lending and at the same time house democrats are launching a fallback, long-shot effort to circumvent the republican leadership and force a vote on the house floor. they need 218 votes for a bill of their liking and they only have 213 house seats and they don't have that yet, but a lot of questions here as default looms over washington. >> manu, we are just hearing now from the white house in about 30 minutes that president biden is going to talk about these negotiations and talk about

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we have breaking news just in to cnn involving the duke and duchess of sussex, harry and meghan. we just got word from their spokesperson, and i'm just going to read this. they say prince harry and meghan were involved in a near-catastrophic car chase involving paparazzi in new york. a near-catastrophic car chase involving paparazzi in new york. this happened last night here in new york city. that's all the information we have right now. the phrase near-catastrophic car chase is in quotation marks in the statement from harry and meghan's spokesperson. hopefully the fact that it was near catastrophic does mean, in fact, that this morning they are okay. i will just remind people the history here. obviously, harry's mother princess diana was killed in a high-speed car chase in paris involving paparazzi many years ago.

so obviously, this has even deeper meaning for harry and meghan. we are trying to get much more information on this. max foster, our senior royal correspondent is working his sources. we will get back to you as soon as we know more. the headline and frankly, all we know is on the screen right there. harry and meghan involved in a near-catastrophic car chase here in new york city last night. much more on this to come. sara? this morning the battle over abortion is front and center. the fate of a widely used abortion pill is in the hands of one america's most conservative appeals court. oral arguments and the fight to keep fda approval for mifepristone begins very soon. then in north carolina, nearly all abortions after 12 weeks of pregnancy are banned. this after a super majority of republican lawmakers in that state voted to override democratic governor roy cooper's veto of their bill.

protesters began shouting "shame, shame" in the chamber as republican state legislators now express hope that the plan becomes a new, quote, mainstream model for other states. cnn's diane gallagher is live for us in raleigh, north carolina. look, i'd like to get to the point, like, what is the governor planning to do now that he has been overwritten by a super majority? >> sara, there's not much that governor roy cooper can do at this point except to look forward and continue talking to north carolinians about what happened last night because legislatively, he has run out of options at least right now. we were there when the republican super majorities last night overruled his veto, thus making this now the law of the land. so today in north carolina abortion is legal until up to about 20 weeks, but starting on

july 1st, because of that veto override that goes down to roughly 12 weeks. now there are some exceptions that are included in this law. however, advocates and medical associations have pointed to all of the other changes that are located inside this law that maybe weren't talked about as much and the medicaid abortion and the requirement of multiple in-person appointments to get that medicine as well as the addition of all of these other regulations and reporting and licensing requirements that democrats say could potentially make it even more difficult for people seeking abortions to get them even if they're doing it before the deadline. republicans, though say they feel this is mainstream. they call it a compromise, and it's only a compromise from within their caucus. >> senate bill 20 is common sense. it balances protecting the life

of the unborn child. it balances that with a woman's need for life-saving care. >> the bill is vague, at best and that's one of the challenges that a lot of doctors are going to face whether they can actually save a woman's life or whether or not they'll have to wait as long as possible where she may have irreparable harm. >> doing the override vote in the dark of night that they know this is not popular. so for democrats we will continue to talk about this issue. >> and that is what i heard from every single democrat who i spoke with last night before the vote, during the vote, after the vote. they all said that they anticipate this is going to be a galvanizing issue not just for their base and also for moderate voters in what is a purple state. the governor said we are energyized to fight back. sarah, i spoke with one state

senator sydney bat. she told me their opinion is when democrats are talking about abortion it is a winning issue and when republicans are talking about it, it is a losing issue and that is why it was rushed through the way it was. after that veto override last night it was almost to the minute, two weeks from when the bill was introduced and pushed through 48 hours and vetoed and overruled in less than two weeks. >> diane gallagher, thank you for all of that. kate? >> that's on the state level. on the federal level abortion access is back in court today. the circuit court of appeals will be hearing oral arguments on whether mifepristone should be banned nationwide. a judge ruled that the approval of the abortion pill should be suspended. she's been following every move on this. abortion pills are involved in over half of u.s. abortions these days. what is expected to happen in

court today? >> kate, that's exactly right that the stakes are high because this is the main way that most women in america right now end pregnancies. so what's at issue is a lower court decision by a judge in amarillo, texas, that invalidated the fda's approval of mifepristone, the first drug of a two-pill protocol for medication abortion. that authorization from the fda dates all of the way back to the year 2000, but he said that there were red flags. there were all sorts of safety issues that the fda should have heeded. meanwhile, the biden administration and many, many medical officials defending the approval of mifepristone saying it has been proven safe and effective over and over again. just to remind people, the state of play of this new chapter in the legal litigation is that the justice -- the 5th circuit panel -- john?

>> we'll get back to joan in a second. we have much more information on the situation here in new york involving prince harry and meghan. we were told they were involved in a near-catastrophic car chase. this is the full statement from their spokesperson and it reads, i'll just read the whole thing. >> last night the duke and duchess of sussex and miss rag lann, meghan's mother, were involved in a chase of highly aggressive paparazzi. the relentless pursuit of over two hours involved near collisions with other drivers on the road, pedestrians and two nypd officers. while being a public figure, it should never come at the cost of anyone's safety. dissemination of these images given the ways they were obtained encourages a highly intrusive practice that is dangerous to all involved and the fact that the statement is coming out like this is the implication that harry and meghan are okay which is the

first thing we wanted to know for sure, but much more information -- okay. i'm just hearing that we have our senior royal correspondent max foster on the home. let's get to him right away for as many details as you have, max. >> yeah. so you've got the main statement there. they're pretty shaken, very shaken and their spokespeople can get a sense of what they went through last night. it happened around midnight and this was a long pursuit. several cars in blacked out wo windows that had harry and meghan and they're reminders of what his mother went through, as well and this is a narrative and what they're suggesting and the photographers were trying to get these pictures and they're already making the point that this is a completely inappropriate way of getting pictures and also a warning to anyone who wants to use these

pictures. so they were blacked-out vehicles with people driving recklessly and endangering the convoy and everyone around them and it's the sort of thing i'm hearing from their people and the people that were there and the chase could have been fatal, i am told. they're pretty traumatized a little bit and they're talking about a whole list of different vileations of road rules and laws. they say they have evidence of this, as well. so i think we'll hear a lot more about this and the repercussions from this, but right now they're putting out the message that they are very traumatized by this, and they are okay, thankfully. >> yeah. >> it said it involved two nypd officers and we can get a statement from nypd from what they see has happened here and one of the reasons that harry and meghan moved from the united states was because of the long, long battle that harry and

meghan have had from the paparazzi and the intrusion of their lives and harry's long life and horrible history with the paparazzi with his mother and now this. there is important context of this. >> uniformed officers did approach the individuals involved here multiple times and they just sped off and continued this pursuit. so harry has multiple cases at the moment about invasion of privacy and use of illegal tactics on getting information on him and his wife, him throughout his life, really and with his wife since they got married and how that compromised so many of their relationships and they've heard that in court recently and this story goes back to princess diana and the tension and the anger that william and harry feel about the way their mother died and they blame the paparazzi for her

death and the pitch editors that created a market. this is a trauma for harry. to put this thing out was pretty dramatic, but obviously what happened last night was something that affected them and it went on for a couple of hours. basically what they're saying is they accept a heightened level of attention when they are out in public, but in this case they entered and exited a venue publicly and the paparazzi took pictures and their frustration is giving the media what they want and then they want more and they are creating a very dangerous situation for the family, but also all the people who work for the people around them. >> when you look at this and you remember what happened to princess diana most people were so riveted and so disturbed by how that went down and to see -- i think that's what makes this

een even more shocking is to see that harry and his wife are going through this in a very different way and knowing the background. the psychological effect on harry, he's already talked about it, of how his mother died, was great and we also know that the couple has sued over people taking pictures of their children and won some of those cases, but what i think stands out in the statement is the fact that there were multiple near-collisions with other drivers, pedestrians and as kate mentioned two nypd officers. it is surprising to me, actually now, that we didn't hear about this last night considering what they're saying here although there were no, i guess, crashes. these were all near misses. >> yeah, but just imagine having that experience of growing up with that sort of trauma and then going through it yourself. >> yeah. >> harry has repeatedly talked about one of the reasons he moved to america was that he

wanted to protect meghan and his subsequent children from the media intrusion his mother suffered. he didn't want her to end up in a similar situation and ultimately he's talking about he didn't want meghan ending up in a car crash like his mother and he wanted to get her away from that and this is deeply traumatizing for him. we'll wait to hear what he has to say later on in the day, and i'm sure he's dealing with the immediate aftermath and the legal repercussions on the back of it and future engagements and this engagements, the duchess of sussex was receiving an award in new york. it was a big public aware and they were expecting the cameras and on the other side were trying to get pictures which are private and trying to invade their privacy and also creating danger. >> max, if you're still with us, actually, let me just tell people what this event was last night. they were here in new york city at the women of vision awards

because meghan was receiving an award there for her global advocating of women and girls and i actually walked by the zigfield theater last night. >> it's in the heart of midtown manhattan. it is -- >> yeah. >> it's a very, very congested area. >> that gets to my question, max. they say this went on for two hours and that's just in the statement. the paper statement released by the spokesperson for harry and meghan. two hours of driving inside new york city is unusual. i mean, that's not something that people normally do. is it clear what exactly that means? a two-hour drive in the city? >> i have a bit more information by john miller and there was a swarm of paparazzi following in cars, motorcycles and scooters and nypd protective team that was following harry and meghan in another car and they had to

try some evasive maneuvers to get away from the paparazzi, but the papss on the scooters zoomed on the sidewalk to keep up and there were paparazzis on scooters and bikes chasing diana. they blocked off both ends of the street and had to figure out some extraction plan to get to the next lotion without this kind of thing going on. so this was clearly a really serious moment. >> it sounds wild. >> short stops between front and back of cars, and there was no car accident fortunately. they went to the precinct not to report this, but rather to shelter in place, people on the protective detail said this created a very dangerous situation. >> you talked about scooters and that's one way to quickly sort of get through the city, but we have to also look at this. i mean, this is coming from a spokesperson for harry and meghan. we have not yet heard from

police or from anyone else and i know we're trying to get answers from them, as well. normally, there wouldn't necessarily be a police report there were no accidents that happened, but i suppose they being file one if they felt like they were being threatened. >> yeah. max, stick with us. we have kate williams, a cnn historian and royal expert. kate, just your reaction to hearing this very scary incident now involving meghan and harry and the paparazzi? >> it's just terrifying and i think anyone would find themselves terrified in a situation and particularly prince harry who lost his mother in exactly the same way and before harry and meg meghan left the royal family he was afraid that she would die like his mother because she wasn't being

protected or looked after. this experience for harry and this experience for meghan is totally terrifying, and i think this is going to be really significant in terms of how people think about harry and meghan. harry and meghan ever since they left the royal family, they're fair game. we can get photos of them anywhere we want and we can chase them and it makes us think. this is not acceptable. this way of getting pictures, this way of getting pictures for the global media will kill someone eventually. >> john miller just -- you might -- john miller is here wearing a microphone right now. john, obviously you worked with the new york city police department and i imagine you never thought you would be here talking about this. >> what i hear happened is nothing because it originally came in as a story which they had a car accident yesterday which was not the case, what the case is speaking to people around the protective detail

that was assigned to this was they were overwhelmed by paparazzi. these were people in cars. these were people on motorcycles. these were people on scooters that had surrounded the vehicle in midtown traffic and now you've got the nypd team, that is the protective detail behind the principal car and there's scooters and motorcycles running in between them, ahead of them, crossing in front of them. they're trying to create some distance and this is becoming worse and worse. so finally, in frustration, they made a command decision of, you know, trying to first, slow down traffic, block a street and get some distance and that didn't work because then the scooters and the motorcycles flew down the sidewalks with pedestrians scattering. no regard to law or traffic regulations or people, to keep up. so they went to the 19th precinct. that's 67th street in manhattan ask they blocked off both ends of the street and they created

basically a buffer and then they spent some time, a, trying to cool down from this and say, all right. what's our strategic plan to get to the next location without bringing this entire crowd because the protective detail is to protect from stalkers, attackers, the things that royals and famous people have to deal with. the actual threat and the hazard had become the paparazzi and i don't have to remind us, we all know the history of that. >> yeah. >> you know, that has led to terrible consequences within that family. >> but there also is -- new york city sees celebrities and heads of state all the time. the u.n. general assembly, new york city is quite a while place to be. >> we get the president, we get kings. >> and handled without incident most of the time. >> they're not as interested. >> this is so strange to how out of control it got. >> when you get royals, tabloids internationally and put them together you get a certain press

hysteria that doesn't fit the normal mold and that's what they confronted yesterday. >> i am so sorry, the two hours that is the statement from harry and meghan's publicist, does that include a period of time at the police station? were they there for some time trying to wait this out? they were there so that the nypd and the protective detail could strat strategize and say what we're doing and trying to do this the regular way is not working. we need a plan b and that's what they worked out and that succeeded. >> i'm wondering what police can do at this point because there were, like you said, nothing happened as far as an accident, but clearly laws were broken because they're watching this happen all around them. is there something they can do going forward or not really? >> i'm laughing because we've created this mess ourselves in new york. some scooters have license plates, some scooters don't. there are mopeds and motorcycles and things that had license plates yesterday had the license plates covered so that police

couldn't write them down or that a traffic camera that has a license plate recorder at a red light, for instance, wouldn't capture it. so you know, was there taking police action right there which would have meant stopping and pulling out a summons book or trying to create that distance. the protective detail is let's get off the x. that's their job, but they'll be reviewing those videotapes and they'll be looking at that and you know, this is something that they'll have to think about because if you don't figure this out you're going to go through it the next time. >> can i ask you quickly, this was originally coming in, this statement from the spokesperson from for prince harry and meghan described it as a near-catastrophic car chase. is nypd -- the conversation you're having about what happened from the perspective of the nypd, do they dispute that, how close to disaster this was? >> no. they said this was very

dangerous. it caused close calls between the principals' car and the security car running behind them and the scooters zipping in between them. they said this was annoying, inappropriate and dangerous with the emphasis on dangerous. now, look, there's a way to do this. you get the president of the united states here. we freeze the route. we have outriders and blocker cars. right now these two royals are famous and subject to threat and in need of protection, but they're not heads of state or members of, you know, their country's representatives. so this package was just a cautionary package and then the threat shifted to the people around them as opposed to what you would consider the normal threat. >> i want to pick up on the last point you just made and our senior correspondent max foster is still with us by phone. max, first of all, we've heard from harry and meghan's team. has the palace said anything and

to the point that john miller was just making there, they're now kind of free agents, right? they are not traveling officially in any way for the royal family. so they've got to deal with all their own security with basically no help. is this a consequence of that schism? >> well, it's interesting. i was actually just messaging kensington palace where we have prince william and kate and also buckingham palace where harry's father is based to see if they have any comment. there hasn't been any communication between harry and his father and his brother and more with his father and certainly not with his brother and i don't know whether they were even aware of it when we got the same statement. in terms of harry's security, he is pursuing a case in the uk where he's trying to get police protection when he comes to the uk that he used to have and the

police and the government are arguing he doesn't have that right anymore because he doesn't carry out public work and that's the court case playing out right now and when he went to america, well, canada and then america, one of the big routes to dete detention is that police security was taken away and he does have security and it costs a huge amount money and it's one of the things he's deeply concerned about and he feels he should have access to public security, and publicly paid for security by the brits because he was a public figure here and his profile comes from that and a big debate is currently playing out and he will talk about it about this episode saying this is why i wanted security. the accusation, if you look at all of the narrative that he's been giving in recent months in the last year is that he always said he was under threat if his father pulled out his security.

it wasn't his father pulling away his security, it was the government and he may well speak out how things were vulnerable and how these things wouldn't have happened. >> it's interesting that you mentioned that they were paying for security and do they have to tell new york city hey, we're coming. you might have a situation and warn the police department about that? did they get any help? >> the new york police department is very clear on this which is they understand that this couple has no dip lomatic and government status and they understand that they'll be here and going to public events and private events and that will come with the normal mayhem of how they are covered by the press and the paparazzi specifically. so the nypd calculous is we're not obligated to protect them, but what's going to end up happening if we're not there is we'll end up being called there anyway so let's put together a package where we work in tandem with their private security that

they pay for, but we add the nypd element in case someone has to take action on the route and yesterday that became quite apparent. >> it's quite thankful and -- i think we can say, it's a wonderful thing and everyone should be thankful that the nypd was there because this very likely could have gone a very different direction had they not been able to create that buffer, slow down, stop and cool things off considering the direction it was going. >> max, there's the what happened and what could have happened and quite frankly, this is just really sad. just the fact just to get photo of them, we say this as members of the media who would keep a respectful distance and allow people to go in and out when they're at these public events, of course. it is just sad that this couple, these people have to go through this. are they still in new york? what happened? what goes now? >> i don't know exactly where

they are right now. i think they're absolutely hunkering down, as you can understand. you know, we haven't seen meghan out in public recently and harry has made a very low profile when it came to the coronation and that was deliberate on their part not to steal anything away from king charles' cor naonatio. this was meghan bouncing back and throwing herself back into the public spotlight. she now has a big-name agent, as well. this is the first sense of what she's going to do moving forward as this independent woman receiving this award. so i think it's a big shock to them that this would happen on the first event and they're not going to take it down. they're not going to lie down and just accept this, particularly as it plays out with how his mother died and how

he's trying to protect meghan from what his mother went through and it is a genuine threat to meghan that something would happen in a similar way to what happened to diana and this would bring it home particularly with the scooters surrounding them and blacked-out cars chasing them and they had to take refuge as you just heard. >> i'm curious as to why we haven't heard about this when it first happened, when this first occurred. i guess it's their responsibility because the police did not make any arrests. how did no one know this happened in the press? >> i think this wasn't being covered by the mainstream press and what i mean by the mainstream press is "the new york times", and cnn, and cbs news. i think it was this core group of paparazzi and they were certainly not going to be covering their own overreaching or misconduct and because there was no car accident that would have resulted in a police report there was no official report.

this is just kind of leading out yesterday because today because the story's been passed around. >> their spokesperson. >> they didn't stay at a hotel because when you stay at a hotel then between the hotel staff and people noticing things, you know, that becomes a center of gravity. they stayed at a private residence on the upper east side. they kept that under wraps, you know. hopefully so that they would be able to come and go, and part of that kind of hunkering down at the 19th precinct was how do we get from here, you know, back to the residence without bringing everybody there and turning that into a nightmare for the friend with whom they were guests. >> i want to bring back kate williams into this discussion. as max was pointed out and as our friend erica hill who did a wonderful special on the royal family and i point to an e-mail. harry is in court on this matter

right now. harry is not obsessed -- harry is very focused on his security and making sure that he gets the security he thinks he needs. he's willing to pay for it, but he wants help from the british government and the legal system in the uk. how much have these concerns over security fueled the decisions that he has made over the last many years, the life that he's chosen to lead over the last many years? can you hear me, kate? >> well, this is quite terrifying that harry has wanted this security. he needs this security. it's really important to him, but he hasn't been getting it and what i think is very important here is that doria was in the car, meghan's mother was in the car and how terrifying for her and the children weren't in the car, and it was women in

vision and she was accepting her award in that fantastic gold dress and we are going to see a situation when the children are in the car for this moment and how terrifying to have two hours of relentless car chase which is resulting in danger to the pedestrians and to other drivers and to other people in new york's crowded traffic system and harry and meghan themselves. it is very clear that harry's father since having become king, he is more celebrity big game than he was. the hunters that are out for him and meghan, something has to be done. >> that's an interesting point, kate. how things have changed even since his father's been c coronated and become king. harry and meghan have been the target of paparazzi for a very long time and how things have

changed and become more serious which have become come their view since his father was coronated. we may have lost max. do we have max? i don't think we have max anymore. >> max did a whole thing, a really good story of the press coming at meghan in a very pointed way in a very different way than the rest of the royals and so it's sort of interesting to see the protectiveness harry has been extremely protective as john mentioned. he's suing over pictures of them -- and particularly of their children, but this is one of those scenarios where is something going to have to happen or change in the way that the police and security deal with coming in. >> they're in california right now and here in new york, this is not always the type of thing you see here in the united states. yes, we have paparazzi that do

things here, and to some extent, this is a fairly unique situation to the royals. john, possibility that anyone will face charges on this if these paparazzi, as you said, were up on the sidewalks, driving on the scooters, reckless endangerment. is there any charge that could be brought against any of them? >> there are plenty of charges that could be brought against them including reckless endangerment and all kinds of traffic laws. some of these are credentialed press which means their press cards are issued by the city of new york. those press cards are issued with conditions that, you know, you have to abide by the rules in order to enjoy those privileges, but it's a real challenge. you have scooters with covered license plates. you have cars running through red lights. you have the security detail and the nypd deliberately and they're authorized to do that going through red lights and making turns in order to

conduct, you know, evasive measures to get away from that and then you have people who are not authorized breaking all of the same laws to keep up including running up and down the sidewalks. they'll look at the videos. they'll look at the red light cameras and they'll say can we find a couple of persistent violators here that we can identify, but it went on for a couple of hours. it happened at night, darkness is a factor in getting those images to be identifiable. it was a real mess. so i'm going to say it's possible, but unlikely that you're going to see a lot of that. >> yeah. >> i think fax moster is back with us. max, what i was wanting to ask as kate williams was talking about how things may have changed in terms of how much of a target they are since charles has become king. have you note -- have you heard anything in is there more concern for -- i mean, not onl