beat bill. >> reporter: those disagreements likely to sharpen, as pence prepares to make his case to republicans for a new but familiar direction. >> we're going to get it all back and then some. you just watch. >> reporter: now, just a few minutes ago, erin, pence urged republican voters to choose a new nominee, who he says can lead the party to victory, a not so subtle point he believes a rerun of the 2020 campaign is not in the party's best interest. of course an open question if he would be that nominee. this campaign, i'm told, will make a decision next month. erin? >> we're going to really know what the field is then. thank you so much, jack. and thanks so much to all of you for being with me. for being with me. anderson starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. we begin tonight with exclusive new cnn reporting that goes straight to the question, did the former president willfully disregard what he knew to be

clearly established procedures involving classified documents d. he know the right and wrong way of handling those items when he took them from the white house to mar-a-lago. cnn has learned the national archives is ready to hand over records to special counsel jack smith showing that the former president and his top adviser certainly did know. just walk us through your reporting, jamie. >> anderson, cnn has obtained this letter that was sent by the national archives, as you said, informer former president trump that it is set to hand over the 16 presidential records. they're from his administration -- which show that trump and his top advisers were aware of the proper declassification process when he was president. our understanding is that the special counsel wants these records for the grand jury because they may provide critical evidence that, despite trump's claims that he automatically declassified all documents that he took, he was,

in fact, aware that there was a correct process to safeguard classified material. and it didn't just happen with the wave of a hand. in the letter, acting archivist writes to trump, the 16 records involve close presidential advisers, some of them directed to you personally concerned whether, why, and how you should declassify certain classified records. so, anderson, while we don't know exactly what's in these 16 records yet, it certainly suggests that they provide evidence that trump had firsthand knowledge that you don't just declassify material without a thorough and rigorous process. >> so, the former president, has he said anything -- he took -- he has said anything he took was automatically declassified. can you just remind people what

his argument is, and how that squares with reality? >> i'm not sure what his argument is for saying that, anderson. it just seems to be trump claiming something that there is, frankly, no evidence for. so, as far as we know, there is no basis in reality. just as a reminder, here is what he said to our colleague, kaitlan collins, at the cnn town hall last week. take a listen. >> why did you take those documents with you when you left the white house? >> i have every right to under the presidential records act. you have the presidential records act. i was there. i took what i took, and it gets declassified. >> do you still have any classified documents in your possession? do you? >> no, no, i don't have anything. i have no classified documents. by the way, they become automatically declassified when i took them. >> anderson, for the record, trump did not have the right under the presidential records act to take those documents. that is false. those documents belong to the

government under the custody of the archives. and while all presidents do have broad authority, ultimate authority to declassify, there is no evidence that he, quote, automatically declassified anything. again, there is a serious process that is followed. national security agencies are brought in. as one official said to me, quote, there has to be an order. show me the order. >> in terms of the special counsel's investigation, what are your sources saying about how these records could potentially reveal the former president's intent? >> it could be critical. the records could provide insight into not only trump's intent, whether he willfully disregarded what he knew to be established protocols, and also it may speak to obviously that he may have mishandled what he knew were highly classified documents. >> so, what happens next?

can the trump legal team try to fight these records getting handed over to special counsel? >> right. technically the trump team has a week to go to court to stop the handover. however, the special counsel feels it has sufficient evidence why these records would be important to the grand jury's evidence, and they are also prepared to go to court to fight. >> all right. appreciate it. we want to look at the legal implications and how this new information may fit into a larger pattern of statements and actions by the former president. kelly cordero is here. she's a former counsel to the assistant attorney general for national security. also contributor john dean, who served as richard nixon's white house counsel during watergate. how significant is this? what could it mean for the former president legally? >> let's set on the law, anderson. on one hand, there's the classified documents issue. which, any president does have extremely broad authority and

final authority to declassify documents. and that's the constitutional provision. that's under their article ii commander in chief authorities. so, that does govern any president's ability to declassify. then there's the separate issue of the presidential records act, which talks about any kinds of document. so, i think in some of the former president's public statements, he tries to combine those two issues together. but presidential records act applied to any record. and the minute he was no longer president, any documents that he had belonged to the united states. so, the question then, with respect to the classified documents, becomes, did he actually ever declassify them? and although on this point there are executive orders, there are process, a president could make a decision that is outside the scope of that process. what's missing here as far as we have learned publicly so far is

that there is no indication or evidence that he ever actually made that decision. >> so, that's -- i mean, it's a very important -- it's an important point and a fine one. there's a process for declassifying material. the president has broad authority on this to perhaps go outside that process. but it's not clear that even if he did that -- >> that he ever actually did that. so, there's -- >> there's a -- are you say there's a way to go outside that process that there would be some sort of trail of? >> it would be his inherent constitutional authority, a president's constitutional authority to do it. but as a practical matter -- and this is why most observers are saying there's a process ses that would be documented. yes, that's normally the way a president would operate. let's say, anderson, that a president misspoke and revealed in the course of speaking verbally, they revealed classified information, and they didn't mean to. then they could go back and

either they would say, no, the information is still classified, or they could potentially say, no, i think the information should be declassified. and then that would be documented through a follow-on process. that's not ideal. but that's theoretically could happen. >> when the former president says, well, you know, i can just declassify by saying it's declassified, if he had done that, there would still be some sort of trace of people saying, okay, the then-president declassified this document -- >> yes, there would have -- >> -- identify such and such. >> there would have had to have been some sort of actual demonstration that decision was made. >> got it. according to cnn's reporting, this national archives letter comes amid a flurry of activity by special counsel jack smith, including appearances by national security officials who testified they told donald trump there was a process for a president to declassify material. do you think that testimony could put the former president, potentially others n legal jeopardy? >> it's a tough question when

you get to the real ultimate thing is can he do what he wants to, as he's saying? and that's never been tested in the court. no president has ever tried to do what he's doing. the norm is, as kerry explained, when there's a process, you're supposed to follow the process. we've never had a president who just sort of ignored that process and claimed he can get around it. theoretically, he might have that power, and i think he's going to try to push it that far to see what that power is. >> john, the letter from the national archives states that the records will be handed over to special counsel a week from today, quote, unless prohibited by an intervening court order. do you think the trump legal team would fight this? >> if past is prologue, he will do anything he can to slow the process. this could do this. there's probably, in my mind, an 80% chance that his lawyers find it legitimate enough to test this. so, i think there's a high probability he will appeal or try to block.

>> john dean, carrie cordero, appreciate it. thank you. on top of this, one of the former president's attorneys in the documents case, timothy particle tory, is leaving the team. cnn political analyst and "new york times" senior correspondent, maggie haberman, author of "confidence making: donald trump and the breaking of america." so, maggie, if the national archives are right, if they have proof that he was informed of the correct procedure, what does that say about his exposure? >> if there's documentation showing that trump was aware and that trump aides were aware of what actual declassification processes were, that completely undercuts what their claims have been, which is he has standing order to declassify documents when they left the oval office and went to the white house residence. i don't think he's going to back away from that. we do know the special counsel's office has been drilling down very, very hard on exactly what the processes were. they've interviewed a ton of

people who work in the white house and would know. but i think this is the first thing that i've heard of that's actual documentation showing what was what. >> he keeps saying it was a negotiation, and that's what it is expected to be a negotiation. >> which isn't true. in fact he said it under the presidential records act. it said negotiation. it's not what the presidential records act says. that's a separate issue than the classification issue. the classification issue is specific to intelligence material, and he has made all kinds of claims also debunked by former officials working for him. but in both cases, officials disagree with him. >> is it clear to you how concerned he is about this and how concerned the people around him are? >> this is just another brick in what jack smith is looking for that has made them anxious overall about this the documents case. they believe jack smith is drilling down on this in a way that is discomforting for trump and a lot of people around him. >> what about the attorney who

left? who was he? how important was he? >> he was an attorney who had been pretty central in the effort to look for additional efforts around trump's additional properties. he found himself speaking to the grand jury as the custodian of the records at that point. he made a lot of statements in public that were controversial about the documenting saying trump had a classified folder on a bedside table in his residence. the judge in the case, i think, took note of those comments. and it does raise questions about how there was literally a classified document in trump's bedroom that he was unaware that he still had material. >> obviously the former president's supporters rallied around him after the stormy daniels hush money case. is there any concern in trump world that the reaction to this might be different? >> there is not that much concern expressed by trump folks that people around him and his base will see it differently. that is the hope of some of his critics and opponents, which is just that there will be such a

fact set around this that it will be distinct enough to make the case this is different. but, no, they think they're going to be able to paint this and the indictment in georgia in connection with efforts to remain in power in 2021, that this is all going to be part of what he calls the witch hunt and his voters won't see it differently. >> how organized is his campaign structure at this point, do you know? >> it's pretty organized actually. there is a clear team of people. they have their assigned roles. it doesn't mean that they are going to be flawless. but this is actually the most organized one of his campaigns in my memory. >> really? >> at least in this way at this stage. in 2020, it was well organized in various ways at various points. but this early, this is more organized than i remember it being. >> maggie haberman, thanks. >> thank you. next for us tonight, what exactly happened here in new york city last night with prince harry and meghan markle and paparazzi. our john miller has talked to a

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a traumatic experience for them. the question is what actually happened and how dangerous was it to them and their public. were they involved in a near catastrophic chase with paparazzi, or was it something else? given the chase that killed prince harry's mother, obviously this incident is getting a lot of attention. john miller is also former deputy commissioner in the new york police department. and max foster. so, john, the statement from the nypd -- and i just want to read this from my notes -- says there was numerous photographers that made their transport challenging. the duke and duchess arrived at their destination, and there were no reported collisions, injuries, or arrests in regard. the spokesman called it a near catastrophic car chase lasting over two hours. >> it wasn't a high speed chase at least on the part of harry and meghan's vehicles. they were instructed to obey the

traffic rules, stop at the red lights, and so on. but there were times -- this is a four-car motorcade -- where cars in the back would slow down -- >> four-car motorcade of paparazzi. >> no, the four-car motorcade is the car they're in, a staff car, and nypd car with two detectives from their dignitary protection section. and as they're moving, there are ten vehicles, scooters, motorcycles, a black car with blacked out windows, spotters and communicators who are surrounding their cars, slowing them down in traffic. this is according to tommy buddha, who's a retired nypd detective from the terrorist task force, who runs one of the security companies that was handle the motorcade part of this. who said they were over the top dangerous. you had the black car mounting the sidewalk and going across, striking some item on the

sidewalk, pedestrians scattered to make a right turn to catch up to this motorcade when it got some distance. you had cars -- cars -- and scooters riding into traffic the wrong way on a two-way street to catch up to where -- >> so, why were there no summons? >> you've got the two detectives, and their job is to get them from point a to point b. interestingly, when they saw a marked police car that was doing a traffic stop, they stopped and said, you know, this car is chasing us. and when the police officer went to approach that car -- now it would be pulling over two cars -- the car yelled something about meghan markle, backed up, went around the cop, and kept going. so, if this happens again, there's likely to be an added element of traffic enforcement that has to become part of this package. >> max, you talked with sanchez, part of detail. what is he telling you?

>> he was in the secret service more than ten years, about 16 years. and he says he hasn't seen anything like this. the scooters, a dozen vehicles he was talking about, cars, scooters, motorbikes. not suggesting this was a high speed chase, just sticking to the road rules, speed restrictions. they changed cars a couple of times, so there were different scenarios and different legs of this journey were clearly different. describes how there was concern for fatalities, frankly, amongst the public as the paparazzi were jumping red lights, jumping onto the curb. not concerned about harry, meghan, and meghan's mother's safety necessarily, but people around, they could see people dying. >> at one point they were put into a taxicab, which i didn't understand. but the taxi driver spoke about harry, meghan, and his vehicle. let's listen.

>> we were just making left turns and right turns and that's it. they were not being that aggressive while they were driving behind us. >> so, what do you make of that? >> so, they finally went to the 19th police precinct. so, let's regroup for a moment because we can't shake these people and this is getting dangerous to others. and they came up with a dodge, which is we'll keep the limo here, where they're focused on that. we'll slip them into a taxi. but the paparazzi spotters caught that. the cab driver basically just went around the block, three left turns, drop back at the precinct. how did they get away? midnight came. the midnight to 8:00 shift of the police department came out of the springt, all got into their cars. and then you had the block basically clogged with cops and police cars, but the limos were at the far end. so, they used this kind of police gridlock to take off, get to the place they were going, which is where they were staying, a private residence. but these scooters and cars were not going to fly down the sidewalk in a sea of police. >> and their concern was to not

have the residence where they were located by these photographers. it wasn't so much -- i mean, clearly photographers were taking pictures of them. >> that was it. they were staying with a friend just a up couple of blocks away, and they weren't able to get there without bringing this parade of paparazzi with. >> max, when i talked to harry earlier this year for his book, he talked with me about his mom's death at the car crash. i just want to play that. >> you write, i hadn't been aware before this moment -- talking about looking at the pictures of the crash scene -- that the last thing mommy saw on this earth was a flashbulb. >> yep. >> that's what you saw in the pictures. >> mm-hm. well, the pictures showed the reflection of a group of photographers taking photographs through the window. and the reflection of the window was them. >> you only saw some of the crash photos. his private secretary and adviser dissuaded him from looking at the rest.

>> all i saw was the back of my mom's head slumped on the backseat. there were other, more gruesome photographs, but i will be e ternly grateful to him for denying me the ability to inflict pain on myself by seeing that. because that's the kind of stuff that sticks in your mind forever. >> that was from an interview i did with him for "60 minutes." obviously the death of his mother in paris was the defining event of his young life without a doubt. how do you think that influenced his reaction to what happened last night, their decision to go public with it? >> well, he's always talked about how flashbulbs and the sound of cameras going off triggers him and takes him back to that moment. and he blames the paparazzi for his mother's death and news desk editors providing a market for that paparazzi. undoubtedly this absolutely goes back to his childhood. and crucially he wanted to protect meghan from a similar

fate. he's talked about that before. and that's the reason he moved to north america. he wanted to get away from those risks. and it's happening there in new york. so, i think it triggered all sorts of feelings within him and a reaction, which, you know, would be not necessarily the reaction we would all feel. but with that sort of trauma, what he went through last night, i think really hit him hard. >> max foster, john miller. frish. thank you. coming up next, a new political fight over migrants being bussed from the border to new york and where to house them. it is not new year's eve, but andy cohen joins me to talk about kids and who knows what else he's going to talk about ahead. with flexible multi-cloud servicices that enable digital innovation and enterprise contrtrol, vmware helps y you keep your cloud options open. oh ms. flores, what would we do without you? leader of many, and pet wrangler too. you report to your boss, every afternoon. so beaiful.

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the legal fight over where to house migrants arriving over the southern u.s. border area has expanded to the suburbs of new york city. a federal lawsuit expanded to class action status is the latest in a series of lawsuits that began after eric adams announced m will two weeks ago that he would send some of the migrants arriving into the city by bus from the southern border to hotels outside the city. rockland and orange immediately filed suit. there's been a war of words between the city's mayor and the -- >> reporter: as new york city scrambles to manage successive waves of migrants from the u.s. southern border -- >> probably one of the largest crises of -- humanitarian crises this city has ever experienced. >> reporter: the fight over what to do with them becoming increasingly heated. the city now sending some

migrants to the suburbs. >> this is not the way to do things. it's not the way to treat people. just randomly booking hotel rooms where they can get bulk rooms for at least 30 days and with the option to go longer. >> reporter: when the city tried a similar move in rockland county just north of the city, the county blocked access to its hotels, the fight got personal. >> when you look at the county exec day, this guy has a record of being anti-semitic, racist comments. his thoughts and how he responded to this really shows the lack of leadership. >> reporter: those remarks directed at rockland county executive ed day. both day and adams have known and worked with each other for decades. both former nypd cops, both public servants running the city in a wealthy suburb. adams a democrat, day a republican, local politicians now caught up in the turmoil of

national immigration politics. day says, it is mayor adams who is using migrants as pawns and putting the blame on everyone else. >> so, we got the race card again. just like the mayor has been talking about how republican, white republican people, have been picking on him because it's a black city. i think anybody who throws that card out that quickly has his own set of problems, including being a racist himself. the mayor is engaged in human trafficking of the worst kind. >> reporter: orange and rockland county has restraining orders barring the city from sending migrants. new york's mayor insists with this latest wave, more than 4,200 arriving last week alone, there is no room left in the city. it is covering the cost of hotel room and care for the migrants. it just needs more space to house them. >> new york city is the economic

engine of this state. and if we had been there for the state, the state should be there for us. and those who are in other parts of the state who are saying, we're going to take you to court, we're going to do these emergency orders, we need to stop. we're in this together. >> reporter: new york city even using some school gyms not physically connected to the schools themselves as places to temporarily house migrants. the backlash from parents, teachers, and students has been fierce. >> i don't have nothing against immigrants. they're welcome here, whatever, but why in schools? >> miguel marquez joins us now. what is the latest on these migrants being housed in the schools, in the gyms? >> reporter: well, the city has had to reverse itself at this point. i want to show you. this is one of the gyms, a modular gym. it's one of few that exist in the city. it's separate from the school itself. but even at that because it's on

the same property as the school, the reaction to it was just so angry and vociferous, the city has reversed itself after only a few days but says that if the situation gets worse, it will return migrants to gyms like this in the city. >> miguel marquez, appreciate it. for more on what voters think of the issue, i want to turn to harry enten. what do voters say about the southern border, about migrants at the southern border? >> 58% of americans support making it harder to seek asylum, right? and i think this is why this has been such a dangerous political situation for the biden administration and why they've tried so hard over the last few days, as the title sort of retired, to ensure that the flow of migrants across the border was not as bad as a lot of people thought it was. and that does, in fact, seem to be the case. >> what about the border wall? how is that? >> remember how politically divisive that was during the trump administration? majority of voters were against it back in 2018. but what a difference five years

make. now support basically matches opposition to build a border wall, which i think gives you an indication that voters have very much been moving to the right on this issue, perhaps because of what they've been seeing in terms of migrants crossing the border. >> what about voters in new york city? what do they think? >> new york is a very democratic city, so you might expect that voters might be more sympathetic to the migrants. 70% of voters call it a crisis. 65% support sending some of the migrants upstate. and 63% of new york city voters say the city cannot accommodate them all. new york city, a very blue city, there has been a turning of the tide against migrants. >> harry enten, appreciate it. george santos faced an expulsion effort today. we'll tell you how it played out. also later, my good friend andy cohen is here, and he has a lot to share, as he usually does.

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this evening, shortly after house republicans voted on whether to expel george santos and decrease their narrow majority, tensions filled out onto the capitol hill steps, as defiant santos spoke to reporters and engaged with marjorie taylor greene. >> i was elected by them to come represent them. i will continue to do that. i have not not done my job since i've gotten here.

yes, sir? >> [ inaudible question ] >> no, i did not. i allowed the process to play itself out. >> smomebody has to kick him ou! he's embarrassing y'all. he's embarrassing y'all. >> save the party. the party is hanging by a thread. >> we've got to get rid of biden. >> the party is hanging -- the party is hanging by a thread. >> save the country. impeach biden. >> listen, no more qanon. >> impeach biden. >> that was democratic new york congressman jamaal bowman and marjorie taylor greene. that scene came moments after republicans voted on whether to -- democrats forced the question a week after the new york congressman pled not guilty to 13 federal charges, including fraud and money laundering. and after countless stories emerged involving lies he's told about pretty much everything,

well, his résumé, his background. so, what more can you tell us? >> well, you set the scene perfectly, anderson. it was pretty much chaos outside the house chambers. that was all going on. and of course the reporters huddled around george santos while all the yelling was going on. if you zoom out and talk about what this means politically, this allowed republicans to side step this key issue of having to vote yes or no directly on expelling george santos. so, what this did was instead refer him to the ethics committee. and you'll remember they've had an investigation into congressman santos for several months now, since the new york democratic members referred to the ethics committee. for his party house speaker kevin mccarthy said he hopes the ethics committee will move quickly and rapidly and figure out what to do moving fwar. this is a good scenario for republicans who have just a four-seat margin in the house. and there are concerns that if george santos is expelled and they have a special election in his district that republicans may not be able to hold that

seat. so, politically for them, this was a bit perilous, and this was the best outcome for the house gop to be able to kick this over to house ethics and let it remain there. we heard santos there on the steps saying he will not resign. >> how did democrats react to the republican efforts to side step this? >> i think we can all imagine. and what you're imagining is true. they were not pleased about this, some more vocal about it than others. obviously we saw congressman jamaal bowman, who was very vocal about it. we also heard from congressman garcia. i'll let you listen. >> first, this has been at the ethics committee for the last three months and there's no action because mccarthy hasn't taken action. they know very well that he should not be there. they've called for his resignation. >> again, calling it a cop out there. and anderson, it kind of goes without saying that for democrats, if they could get republicans on the record having

to vote up or down on whether to expel santos, that was something of course they would probably take into the next election cycle. but they didn't get that because it was moved to be referred to the ethics committee. >> appreciate it. now to a new development in the murders of four university of idaho students. the suspect was indicted today. break down what's in this indictment and what this means for the accused killer. >> well, anderson, there's not a lot of information in this indictment. we just know that kohberger has been charged with four counts of first degree murder and one count of burglary. but exactly what is in -- what exactly happened behind the closed doors of the secret grand jury indictment, that remains sealed. so, we don't know the names of the witnesses who came before the garage. we also don't know exactly why this happened because there was already preliminary hearing that was scheduled for the end of june. so, the vail of secrecy around

this case remains in place. first it was because of the gag order that was put in place by the judge, which essentially said any attorneys representing people in this case, the police, the prosecution, they could not publicly comment. they still cannot. and then further now because this happened behind closed doors, all of this information we would have seen in the preliminary hearing. we would have heard from the witnesses, also the information and the evidence that the prosecution has would have been made public. now, all of this is going to remain closed until we see it at trial, anderson. >> now that he's been indicted, what is next in the case? what happens next? >> well, we understand that there is a hearing on monday. we expect that he will enter a plea and then we will also expect that some kind of motion will be put into place so that a trial can be put in place. also on monday separately, there is a hearing around a gag order. one of the victims' families and a media coalition, they have joined together, and they want

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so, we celebrate new year's eve together. we're friends. we're both dads. tonight andy cohen is here to talk with me. "the daddy diaries: the year i grew up" is now out. it is number three on "the new york times" best seller list. congratulations, andy cohen. >> thank you, anderson cooper. my feet are damagngling off thi chair. >> you can just latch them onto the thing. your book -- i'm probably one of the few people interviewing you that's actually read your book by the way. >> i did do a rant on the radio today. it is amazing how many -- even producers don't read the book. but thank you for reading my book. and i know how much you loved it. >> i did. >> yes. >> it's really funny. but your book begins skpends --

i really just read the parts i'm in. >> you're in it a lot. >> it begins new year's eve and ends with us new year's eve this year. i just want to replay for our viewers who may have forgotten how you ended -- how your 2022 began. yes. >> january 1, 2022. it was about five minutes into the new year. >> right. and this was your rant about mayor de blasio at the time. >> yes. >> and in the book, you write about how it ended up in a spiral of self doubt for the next week. let's just play this moment. >> let me tell you something. >> oh, please, tell us something, andy. >> watching mayor de blasio -- >> don't go on a rant. >> -- do his victory lap dance after four years of the first crappiest -- as the mayor of new york, the only thing that democrats and republicans can agree on is what a horrible

mayor he's been. >> wow. >> so, sayonara sucka. 2022. it's a new year. because guess what? i have a feeling i'm going to be standing right here next year. and you know what i'm not going to be looking at? dancing as the city -- you. >> how about that i had no voice. >> i love that your voice -- >> tequila. i am like an angry cab . >> but it's interesting in your book to read how -- i mean, that was sort of the, you know, beginning of that year, and it did start this short of shame, like you -- >> you thought it was great at first. >> yes. >> then the next morning a friend reaches out and is like, hey, everything okay? that was your first inkling. >> why wouldn't everything be

okay? then i left my house and i was getting pounded out, you know, like this, you know, fist bumps, by, right, yes, all over the city. i was like, oh, i have done something good. this was wonderful. but that was -- the book is a year in my life and begins then and ends with us -- and you see that -- >> you see that as symbolic of where you are now? >> i do. in the middle of the year i had a second child. i welcomed a second child, lucy, and things got really serious. when you have -- didn't things get exponentially more serious in your house when you welcomed sebastian? a absolutely. i kind of got my act together. at the end of the year there we were -- >> you were the most, like, driven -- you work more than anybody i know in television. >> you work pretty hard, too. >> i do. but you have a legit like

empire. you have a book in print. how many of hours of radio? >> two chanting on sirius. >> right, the nighttime show. >> but, no. my act was cleaned up. but i just -- it was kind of a metaphor that at the end of the year we couldn't drink on cnn and i had kind of reined in my partying -- >> did you ever think when you were a young gay kid growing up in clayton, missouri, in st. louis, that you would be able to actually have this kind of a life? >> definitely not. >> children, a job where you could be openly gay on television? no. i remember when i came out, i am sure you had a similar experience, that i remember my mom saying she needed a minute or more to mourn the loss of the life that i was not going to have. which in our minds and her mind at the time included me having children or having a family. >> i remember you writing about going to an eddie murphy concert in your early 20s. >> right.

that was at the, you know, early '80s, i guess, eddie murphy, i think it was -- >> i was in high school. >> right. it was very homophobic. >> right, right. >> and it really, like, hurt you? >> it did hurt me. i was also on mushrooms that night. >> oh? i don't recall that part of your book. >> sorry, yes. but anyway, i -- it did hurt me and it was magnified by the psychedelics, but also it really made me feel like this is the world that i live in. and it was, by the way, the world that we lived in then. but it's incredible now, as i sit with you now and we broadcast new year's eve, which is such fun to do with you, an old friend, and we now have kids. it is a world that i never thought would exist for us. and writing the book, i think i -- it's amazing. i heard from so many parents about how relatable it is hearing about the travails of

toddlers. it doesn't matter who you are. raising your kids, the stories are very universal. >> we have this have a of you discussing something with ben and your instagram is, obviously, very funny. i just want to play this. >> so you are crying because i gave you a cookie? is that why you are crying? why? because i triook a piece off fo lucy so you would share with her? >> yeah. >> i think it's nice for you to share. the piece i took for lucy is so -- you know what? -- >> these are the joys of parenting. these are the joyous moments. >> highs and lows, they are all there. also on instagram people usually only share the perfect moments. >> yes. >> so i like to share what's real and what's really happening. >> one of the things we will neglected to cover tonight is the scanned-o-val. this is a big night in your

world? >> it is a big night in the world. in the world of pop culture. the finale of "vanderpump rules" and this has taken over pop culture. >> i read about in "the new york times," "the washington post." >> cnn had it on the ticker, by the way. >> no. >> they had a section on cnn.com for real. to make an analogy, because i know you don't understand it, on "friends" it's as if chandler was cheating on monica with rachel for seven months and joey knew all along. >> uh-huh. >> did you get that? >> vaguely. >> do you know the show "friends"? are you in there? >> okay. but so viewers have watched the season in horror because they know what was going on? >> yes. >> it will all be revealed tonight? >> yes. >> i see. >> it's incredible. i have the first interview with ariana tonight. >> hot competition for that one. >> i know.

>> and christiane amanpour made a good run for it, too. and congratulations, number three. "new york times" bestseller. >> thank you, anderson. >> the year i grew up. next, the "titanic" like you have never seen it before. incredible images next.

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