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anderson, cnn has obtained this letter that was gotten by the national archives, as you said, informing former president trump that it is set to hand over these 16 presidential records from his administration, which show that trump and his top advisers were aware of the proper declassification process when he was president. our understanding is that the special counsel wants these records for the grand jury, because they may provide critical evidence that despite

trump's claims, that he automatically declassified all documents, he was in fact, aware that there was a correct process to safeguard classified material. it didn't just happen with a wave of a hand. in the letter, archivist wall writes to trump, the 16 records in question are -- in -- close presidential advisers, some of them directed to you personally, concerning weather why, and how you should declassify certain classified records. anderson, what we don't know exactly what's in these 16 records yet, it certainly suggests that they provide

evidence that trump had firsthand knowledge that you don't just declassify material without a thorough inward process. >> so the former president, has he said anything that he took -- he has said anything he choked was automatically declassified, can you remind people what his argument is and how that squares with reality? >> i'm not sure what his argument is, for saying that, anderson. it seems to be trump claiming something that there is no evidence for. so, as far as we know, there is no basis in reality. just as a reminder, here is what he said to our colleague kaitlan collins at the cnn town hall last week. >> why did you take those documents with you when you left the white house? >> i had every right to under the presidential records act. i was there, i took what i took, it gets declassified. >> do you have any classified documents in your possession? >> no. i don't have anything. i have no classified documents. and by the way, they become automatically declassified when i took them. >> anderson, for the record, trump did not have the right,

under the presidential records act, to take those documents. that is false. those documents belong to the government under the custody of the archives. and, well all presidents do have broad authority, ultimate authority to declassify, there is no evidence that he quote, automatically declassified anything. again, there is a serious process that is followed, national security agencies are brought in, as one official said to me quote, there has to be an order, show me the order. >> in terms of the special counsel's investigation, what are your sources saying about how these records could reveal the presidents intent? >> it could be critical. the records could provide insight into not only trump's intent, whether he willfully disregarded what he knew to be established protocols, and also, it may speak to the fact that he may have mishandled what he knew were highly classified documents.

>> so what happens next? can his legal team try to fight them? >> technically, the trump team has a week to go to court to try to stop the handover. however, the letter from the archives makes clear the special counsel feels it has sufficient evidence why these records would be important to the grand jury as evidence, and they are also prepared to go to court to fight. >> thank you, i appreciate it. we want to look at the legal implications and how this information may fit into a larger pattern of statements and actions. -- a former counsel to the assistant journey general for national security. -- so, carrie, you heard jamie's reporting about how these records could speak to the former presidents intent. what do you make of it? how significant is this, what could it mean for the former president legally?

>> let's level set on the law, anderson. so on one hand, there is the classified documents issue, which that -- the any president does have extremely broad authority, and final authority, to classified documents. that's the constitutional provision, that's under article two authorities. so that is -- that does govern any presidents ability to declassify. then there is the separate issue of the presidential records act, which talks about any kinds of documents. so, in some of the former presidents public statements, he tries to combine those two issues together. but presidential records act applied to any records. and the minute he was no longer president, any documents that he had, belonged to the united states. so, the question then with respect to the classified documents becomes, did he actually ever declassify them?

and although on this point there are executive orders, there are process, a president could make a decision that is outside the scope of that process. what's missing here, as far as we have learned publicly so far, is that there is no indication or evidence that he ever actually made that decision. >> so, it's an important point and a fine one. there is a process for declassifying material, the president has brought authority on this two perhaps ago side that process, but it is not clear -- >> that he ever actually did not. so, there is zero -- >> is there a way to go outside that process? there would be some sort of trail? >> it would be his and parent constitutional authority, a presidents -- but as a

practical matter, and this is why most observers are saying there is a process that would be documented, yes. that's the way that normally a president would operate. so let's just say, anderson, that a president misspoke and revealed, in the course of speaking verbally, they revealed classified information and they didn't mean to. then, they could go back and either they would say the information is classified, or they could potentially say no, i think the information should be declassified, and then that would be documented through a follow-up process. that is an ideal. but that theoretically could happen. >> so when the former president says, i can just declassified by saying it's declassified, if he had done that, there would still be some sort of trace of people saying, okay, then president declassified this document, please notify such and such. >> there would have had to have been some sort of actual demonstration that that decision ever was made. >> got it. so, according to cnn's recording, there is a national archives letter comes amid a flurry by special counsel jackson's team, including grand

jury appearances who testified that they told trump there was a process for declassification. did you think that that testimony could put the president under legal jeopardy? >> it's a tough question, when you get to the real ultimate thing, it is can he do what he wants to as he is saying? that has never been tested in the court, no president has ever tried to do what he is doing. the norm is, as carey explained, when there is a process, you are supposed to follow the process. we have never had a president who has just ignored the process and claimed he could get around it. theoretically, he might have that power, and i think he's going to try to push it that far to see what that power is. >> john, the letter from the national archives states that the records will be handed over to the special counsel a week from today, unless prohibited by a court order. do you think that the trump legal team would fight this? >> if past as prologue, he would do anything he could to slow the process down. this could do that. in my mind, an 80% chance that

his lawyers can find it legitimate enough to test this. so i think there's a high probability he will appeal, or try to block. >> thank you, appreciate it. on top of all this, one of the former president's attorneys in the documents case, timothy parlatore, is leaving the legal team. that's what two sources familiar with the matter tell cnn. one of our guests reports as well. maggie haberman, author of -- the making of donald trump and breaking of america. >> so maggie, if the national archives all right, if they have proof that he was informed of the correct procedure, what does that say about his exposure? >> if there's documentation showing it that trump was aware, and the trump aides were aware of what actual declassification process -- completely undercuts what their claim has been, is

that he has ordered to ultimately classify all documents when he left the oval office, and after the white house residence. i don't think he's going to back away from that, we do know the special counsel's office has been dealing down very hard on exactly what the process is. they interviewed a ton of people who worked in the white house, and would know. but i think this is the first thing i've heard of that is actual documentation showing what was. what >> he keeps saying it was a negotiation, that's what is expected. it is expected to be a negotiation. >> which isn't true. he said it under the presidential records act that it is a negotiation, and that's not what it says. that's a separate issue than the classification issue. it is specific to intelligence material, and he has made all kinds of claims that have also been debunked by former officials. but in both cases, officials disagree with him. >> is it clear to you how concerned he is about this, and how concerned the people around him are? >> this is just another brick

in what jack smith is looking for that has made them anxious overall about this case. they are worried about the documents case, they believe that jack smith is drilling down on this in a way that is discomforting for trump, discomforting for a lot of people around him, and this is just another piece. >> what about the attorney who left? who was he -- how -- >> he was an attorney who had actually been pretty central in the effort to look for additional documents around trump's properties. he found himself having to speak to the grand jury as the -- he also made a lot of statements in public that were controversial about the documents, including saying, i think it was on cnn, that trump had had a classified folder on a bedside table in his residence. the judge in the case took note of those comments, and it does raise questions about how there was literally classified documents in trump's bedroom that he was unaware he still had. >> obviously, the former president's supporters rallied around him after the stormy daniels hush money case. is there any concern in trump world that the reaction to this might be different? >> there is not that much concern expressed by trump folks that people around him and his base will see it

differently. that is the hope of some of his critics and opponents, is that there will be such a fact set around this that it will be distinct enough to make the case that this is different. but no, they think that they are going to be able to paint this and the potential indictment -- in 2021, that this is all going to be part of what he calls the witch hunt, and that his voters won't see it differently. >> how organized is his campaign structure at this point? do you know? >> it's pretty organized, actually. there is a clear team of people. they have their assigned roles, it doesn't mean that they are going to be flawless, but this is actually the most organized one of his campaigns in my memory. at least in this way at this stage. in 2020, it was well organized in various ways, but this early,

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happens in midtown manhattan to the duke and duchess of sussex. they left an awards ceremony along with merkel's mom, they ended up at their destination, by only way of a police crusade. the question is, what actually happened and how dangerous was it to them in public? were they involved in what their spokesman calls, a near catastrophe kick chase with paparazzi, or was it something else? the chase and crash that killed his mother, this case is getting a lot of attention. john miller, who -- and joining us from london, royals -- so john, the statement from the nypd, i must read this for my notes, says that there was numerous photographers that made their transport challenging. the duke and duchess arrived at their destination, there were no reported collisions,

injuries, or arrests. harry and megan's spokesperson called it a near catastrophic car chase lasting over two hours. what do you make of? it >> it wasn't a high-speed chase, at least on the part of harry and megan's vehicles. they were instructed to obey the traffic rules, stop at the red lights, and so on. but there were times, this is of four car motorcade, where cars in the back would slow down -- >> for car motorcade of paparazzi? >> a four car motorcade, the car that they're in the lead car, there's a staff car, and it and ypg car with two detectives from their dignitary protection section. as they're moving, there are ten vehicles scooters, motorcycles, a black car with blacked out windows, spotters

and communicators who are surrounding and their cars, slowing them down in traffic. this is according to tommy buddha, who is a retired and ip the detective from the task force, who runs one of the security companies that was handling the motorcade part of this. who said, they were over the top dangerous. you had the black car amounting at the sidewalk, and going across, striking some items on the sidewalk. pedestrians scattered to make a right turn to catch up to this motorcade when it got some distance, you had cars, cars, and scooters riding into traffic the wrong way on a two-way street to catch up to where -- >> so why were there -- >> well, you have the two detectives, and their job is to get them from point a to point b. interestingly, when they saw unmarked police car that was doing a traffic stop, they stopped and said this car is chasing us, and when the police officer went to approach that car, because he would be

pulling over to cars, the car just yelled something about, meghan markle backed up one around the cup and kept going. so if this happens again, there is likely to be an added element of traffic enforcement that has to be part of this package. >> max, you talked with chris sanchez, who was part of the detail last night. what was he telling? you >> when he said he was in the secret service, for more than a decade, he says that he hasn't seen anything like this. the scooters, about a dozen vehicles, he was talking about cars, scooters, motorbikes surrounding the vehicle. again, not suggesting this was a high-speed chase, someone was saying to stick to the road rules, to stick to the speed restrictions. they changed cars a couple of times, there are different scenarios and different legs of this journey that we're clearly very different. but describing how there was concern for fatalities amongst the public, as the paparazzi were jumping red lights, jumping onto the curb.

more concerned about harry and meghan and meghan's mother's safety, necessarily, but the people around. and in several situations they could see potentially people dying. that's what they were concerned about, and it went on for more than two hours. >> when they were put into a taxicab, the taxi driver spoke about having harry and meghan in his vehicle. let's listen. >> we were just making left turns and right turns and that was it. they were not being that aggressive when they were driving behind us. >> so what do you make of that? >> so, they finally went to the 19th police precinct, and said we need to regroup for a minute. this is getting dangerous to others. they came up with a dodge, which is we will keep the limo here where they are focused on that, we will slip them into a taxi. but the paparazzi spotters caught that, and then disputed scooters caught up to the taxi. so essentially the cabdriver went around the block, three left turns, drop them back at

the precinct. >> how did they get away? >> midnight came. the midnight to eight shift at the police department came out of the precinct all got into their cars, and then you have the bloc clocked with cops and police cars. the limos were at the far end, so they used this kind of police gridlock to take off, get to the place they were going, which is where they were staying, a private residence, but these scooters and cars were not going to fly down the sidewalk into a sea of police. >> their concern was to not have the residents where they were located by these photographers? it was not so much, through the they were taking pictures of them. >> that was it. they were staying with a friend just a couple blocks away, and they weren't able to get there without bringing this parade of paparazzi with them. they didn't want to inflict that on the person that they were a guest. up >> next, when i talked to harry earlier this year, he talked with me about his mom's death and the car crash. i want to play that. >> you write, i hadn't been aware before this moment, talking about looking at the pictures of the crash scene, that the last thing mom saw on this earth was a flash bomb. >> yeah.

>> that's what you saw in the pictures. >> yes. they were showing the reflection of a group of photographers, taking photographs through the window and the reflection of the window was them. >> he only saw some of the crash photos. his private secretary and advisor dissuaded him from looking at the rest. >> all i saw was the back of my mom's head, slumped in the backseat. >> there were other more gruesome photographs, but i will be eternally grateful to him for denying me the ability to inflict pain on myself by seeing them. because that's the kind of stuff that sticks in your mind forever. >> the was from interview i did with him on 60 minutes. obviously, the death of his mother in a tunnel in paris was probably the defining event of his young life, without a doubt. how do you think that influences his reaction to what happened last night, and their decision to go public with it? >> he has always talked about how flashbulbs and the sound of cameras going off triggers him, and takes him back to the public. he blames the paparazzi for his mother's debts -- so,

undoubtedly, this absolutely goes back to his childhood, and crucially, he wanted to protect meghan from a similar fate. he has talked about that before, and that's the reason he moved to north america. he wanted to get away from those risks, and it's happening in new york. so i think it triggered all sorts of feelings within him and a reaction which would be not necessarily the action we would all feel, without sort of trauma, what he went through last night really hit him hard. >> i appreciated, thank you. coming up next, a new political fight over migrants being bussed from the border to new york. where the house. them later, it is not new year's eve, but andy cohen joins me to talk about kids and who knows what else. (whistles) yeek. not cryin', are ya? let's tighten that. (fabric ripping) ooh. - wait, wh- wh- what was that? - huh? what, that? no, don't worry about that. here we go. - asking the right question can greatly impact your future.

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the legal fight over where to house migrants arriving along the southern u. s. border has expanded to the suburbs of new york city. a federal lawsuit expanded to clash action status is the latest in a series after mayor

announced that he would send some of the migrants by bus from the southern border to hotels outside the city. executives from two counties immediately filed suit. there have been a bitter war of words between the mayor and head of brooklyn county. -- >> as new york city scrambles to manage successive waves of migrants from the u. s. southern border -- >> probably one of the largest crises humanitarian crises this city has ever experienced. >> the fight over what to do with them becoming increasingly heated. the city now sending some migrants to the suburbs. >> this is not the way to do things. it is not the way to treat people. they're just randomly booking hotel rooms, where they can get both rooms for at least 30 days and with the option to go longer. >> when the city tried a similar move in -- county just north of the city, the city blocked access to its hotels. the fight got personal.

>> when you look at the county exact day -- this guy has a record of being antisemitic, racist comments, how he responded to this it shows the lack of leadership. >> those remarks directed at county executive -- they have known and worked with each other for decades. both former nypd cops, both now public servants running the city and i nearby wealthy suburb. adams at democrat, dave a republican. local politicians now caught up in the turmoil of national immigration politics. dave says it is mayor adams who is losing migrants as pawns and putting the blame on everyone else. >> so, we have the race cars together. just like the mayor has been talking about how republican people have been picking on him, because it's a black city. i think anybody -- that has cut

up that quickly has its own set of problems, including being a racist. the mayor is engaged in human trafficking of the worst kind. >> orange and rockland counties now have temporary restraining orders, barring new york from sending migrants their way. the town on long island has declared a state of emergency, to block the city from sending migrants there too. new york's mayor insists, with this latest wave, more than 4200 arriving last week alone, there is no room left in the city. it is covering the cost of hotel rooms and care for the migrants, it just needs more space to temporarily hose them. >> new york city's the economic engine of this state. if we have been there for the state, the state needs to be there for us. those who are in other parts of the state that are saying, we are going to take you to court, we are going to do these emergency orders, we need to stop.

we are in this together. >> we want our gym back. >> new york city even using some school gyms, not physically connected to the schools themselves as places to temporarily house migrants. backlash from some parents, teachers, and students has been fierce. >> i don't have anything against immigrants. they are welcome here, whatever. and -- but why in schools? you >> miguel marquez joins us now. what is the latest on these migrants being housed in the schools? >> the city has had to reverse itself at this point. this is one of the james, it's a modular gym, there are only a few that exist in the city. it is separate from the school itself. but even at that, because it's on the same property as the school, the reaction to it was just so angry and precipitous. the city has reversed itself

over a few days, but says that if the situation gets worse, it will return migrants to gyms like this in the city. >> i appreciate it. for more on what voters think of the issue, we turn to our reporter -- so what do voters say about the southern border, about migrants at the southern border? >> so 58% of americans making it harder to seek asylum. i think this is why this has been such a dangerous political situation for the biden administration, and why they tried so hard over the last few days as the title retired, to ensure that the flow of migrants across the border was not as bad as a lot of people thought it was. that does in fact seem to be the case. >> what about the border wall? >> remember how politically divisive that was, during the trump administration? voters were clearly against it back in 2018. but what a difference five years makes, because now

support basically matches opposition to build a border wall, which i think gives you an indication that voters have very much been moving to the right on this issue, perhaps because of what they've been seeing in terms of migrants crossing the border. >> what about voters in new york city? what do they think? >> new york is a very democratic city, so you might expect that voters here might be more sympathetic to the migrants. but in fact 70% of new york city voters call it a crisis. 65% support sending them upstate. 63% of voters say the city cannot accommodate them all. so in a very blue city, there has been a turning of the tide against migrants. >> i appreciate, it thank. you just ahead, george santos faces expulsion today. but what republicans actually save him? we'll tell you how it played out, and the chaotic scene that played out after. leader, my friend andy cohen is here and he has a lot to share. ♪ ♪ ♪ you need to deliver new apps fast using the services you want in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow. your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates

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this evening, shortly after house republicans voted a direct vote on whether to expel george santos and potentially decrease their now majority, tensions spilled out onto the capitol hill stuff. he was later heckled by a house democrat who engaged with marjorie taylor greene. >> i was elected by them to come represent them, i will continue to do that. i have not not done my job since i got here. >> no, i did not. i allowed the process to play itself out. >> the party has to kick him out. he's embarrassing us all. he's embarrassing y'all. >> biden is embarrassing you. >> it will save the party. the party is hanging by a thread.

>> you have to get rid of biden. >> the party is hanging by a thread. we have to save the party. >> impeach biden! impeach biden! >> that was democratic new york -- and republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. you saw the end there. that scene came after house republicans voted to -- santos's faith in the house ethics community. they forced the question a week after the congressman pleaded not guilty to fraud and money laundering. after countless stories emerged after lies he's told. jessica dean joins us from capitol hill with the latest. so what more can you tell us? >> well, you set the scene perfectly, anderson. it was pretty much chaos outside of the house chamber, as that was all going on. of course, the reporters

huddled around george santos will all the yelling was going on. if you zoom out and talk about what this means politically, this allowed republicans to sidestep this key issue of having to vote yes or no it directly on expelling george santos. so what this is was instead refer him to the ethics committee, and you will remember that they had an investigation into santos for several months now, since new york democratic members referred him to the ethics committee. they hope that they will move quickly and rapidly and figure out what to do moving forward, but this is a good scenario for republicans, who have just a four seat margin in the house. and, there are concerns that if george santos is expelled, and they have a special election in his district, that republicans may not be able to hold that seat. so politically for them, that

this was a bit perilous. and this was the best outcome for the house gop to kick this over to health ethics and have it there. we heard him on the steps saying that he will not resign. >> how did democrats react to the republican efforts to sidestep this? >> we can all imagine. what you are imagining is true, they were not pleased about this. some more vocal than others. we saw congressman jamal bowman there who was a very vocal about it. but we also heard from the congressman that brought this forward in the first place. congressman garcia. i will let you listen. >> first this has been -- for the last three months, and there has been no action. kevin mccarthy has not taken action, so this is a cup out by speaker -- to particularly the new york republicans, but they know very well that he should

not be there. they call for his resignation. >> again, calling it a cop out there. anderson, it kind of goes without saying that for democrats, they could get republicans on the record having to vote up or down on whether to expel santos, that was something that they would probably take into the next election cycle. but again, they didn't get that because it was moved to the ethics community. >> thank you. a new developments in the murders of four university of iowa students. the suspect was indicted today. so, break down what is in this indictment and what this means for the accused killer. >> anderson, there is not a lot of information in this indictment. we know that he has been charged with four counts of first degree murder, and one count of brutally. but exactly what is in, and what has happened puffin closed doors of this grand jury indictment, that remains sealed. so we don't know the names of the witnesses who have come before the grand jury, we also don't know why this happened, because there was already a preliminary four was scheduled for the end of june. so the veil of secrecy around this case remains in place. first it was because of the war that was put in place by the

judge, which essentially said that any attorneys represented people in this case, the police, the prosecution, they do not publicly comment. they still cannot. and then further now, because this happened behind closed doors all of this information that we would've seen in the preliminary hearing, they would've heard from the witnesses, also the information that the evidence -- that the prosecution has, would've been made public. now all of this is going to remain closed until we see a trial. >> now that he's been indicted, what is next in the case? >> well, we understand that there is a hearing on monday. we expect that he will enter a plea, and then we will also expect that some kind of motion will be put into place so that a trial can be taken place. also on monday, separately, there is a hearing around a gap order. one of the victims families, and immediate coalition. they have join together and they want a gap order. they want information to be made public, and that is going

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here to talk about father more and more with me. his new book, the year i grew, up it is just out and it is already number three on the new york's bestseller list. >> thank you anderson cooper. it is great to be here. >> my feet are dangling off of this chair like a little kate. it's kind of funny. look at that. >> you could just latch them on to the thing. so, your book which i actually am one of the few people interviewing which has read your book, by the way. >> i did a rant on the radio today. it is amazing how many, even producers don't read the book. but thank you for reading my book. >> i know how much you loved it. i did. it's really funny. but your book begins, and i just read the parts that i am in it, it starts with us in new years eve, and it ends with us in new year's eve this year. i just want to replay for the viewers who may have forgotten how you ended you're 2022, how it began. january 1st, 2022. about five minutes into the new year. and this was your rant about

mayor de blasio at the time and in the book you write about how it ended up in a spiral of self doubt for the next week, we will play this moment. >> let me tell you something. >> please, tell us something. >> watching mayor de blasio -- >> don't go on a rant. >> do his victory lap dance after four years of the -- as the mayor of new york, the only thing that democrats and republicans can agree on is what a horrible mayor he has been. so sayanora, sucker. 2022, it is a new year. because guess what? i have a feeling that i am going to be standing right here next year and you know what? i will look at dancing as the city -- >> i love how i had no voice. i'm like an angry cabdriver at a bar.

>> i'm stunned they didn't let us drink at the end of the year. >> it is interesting to read how that was sort of the beginning of that year and it did start this sort of shame. you thought it was great at first and then in the next morning a friend of yours reaches out and is like hey, is everything okay? and that was your first inkling that maybe -- >> why wouldn't everything be okay? that i left my house and i was getting pounded out, you know, like this, you know? by, you know, all over the city. and i was like oh, i've done something good. this was wonderful. so that was the book, it was a year in my life and it begins

then and it ends with us. >> and you see that arquette symbolic of where you actually are? >> i do. because in the middle of the year i had a second child, i welcomed a second child, lucy. and things got really serious. didn't things get more serious in your house when you welcomed sebastian? absolutely. i just kind of got my act together. so at the end of the year -- >> you were the most driven, you work more than anybody i know in television. >> you worked pretty hard as well. >> but do you have a legit empire. you have a book imprint. how many hours of radio did you do? >> i have two channels, i'm serious. >> you have the nighttime show. >> my act was cleaned up, but it just was kind of a metaphor

that at the end of the year we couldn't drink on cnn, and i had kind of reigned in my partying. >> did you think when you are a young, gay kid growing up in missouri, in st. louis, that you would be able to actually have this kind of a life? with children, a job where you could be openly gay on television? >> i remember when i came, out you had a similar experience i remember my mom saying that she needed a minute or more to mourn the loss of the life that i wasn't going to have. which in our minds, in her mind at the time, it included me having a family. >> i remember you saying you went to an eddie murphy concert in your early twenties and that was at the early 80s, i, guess eddie murphy, i think it was. >> i was in high school at the

time. >> it really hurt you. >> it did hurt me. i was also on mushrooms that night. but i don't recall that part. but anyway, it did hurt me, and it was magnified by the psychedelic's. but it also made me feel like this is the world that i live in. and it was, by the way, the world that we live in today. but it is incredible as i sit with you now, and we broadcast which was so fun, and we now have kids, it was a world that i never thought would exist for us.

and writing the book, i think that it is amazing. i've heard from so many parents about how reliable it is hearing about the travails of toddlers. it doesn't matter who you are raising your kids. these stories are very universal. >> we had this video of you discussing something with ben, andrea instagram is obviously very funny, i will just play this. >> so you are crying because i gave you a cookie? is that why you are crying? >> [inaudible]. >> because i ripped a little peace offer lucy? so i would share with her? i think it's nice for you to share a piece that i took for lucy. you know what? >> these are the joys of parenthood. these are some of the joyous moments. >> the highs and the lows are all there. also i think on instagram people usually only share the perfect moments. so i do like to share what is real and what is really happening. >> one of the things that you neglected to cover it should've been breaking news as the scandal, which i do not understand, but it is a big night in your world. >> it is a big night in the world. and in the world of pop culture. it is this scandal as it is known, it has really taken over pop culture. >> i read about it in the new york times. they had a scandal section on cnn.

com for real. to make an analogy, on the show friends, it is as if chandler was cheating on monica with rachel for seven months and joey knew all along. did you get that? do you know the show, friends? >> so viewers have watched the season in horror because they know what was going on and it will all be revealed tonight. >> it is incredible and i have the first interview with ariana tonight. >> yes i know and christian amanpour made a good run for it as well. good going. >> congratulations. and up next, the most famous shipwreck, the titanic like you never have seen it before. incredible images, next. >> so tonight we are getting a never before seen look at the

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team of scientists carried out what they called the largest under scanning project. it's incredible to state like this. it creates a digital twin of the titanic wreck with incredible clarity. the scan was done last summer by a deep sea mapping company in the atlantic production as they were making a documentary. they took more than 7000 images on took a 3d reconstruction. the hope is that it would provide new answers on what happened when the titanic sank on this voyage in 1912 after hitting an iceberg which killed more than 1500 people. that is it for us, the news continues, cnn prime time with sara sidner starts now. thank you anderson, good evening, i'm sara sidner, multiple sources tell cnn the national archives have hard evidence that showed donald trump and his top advisers knew of the correct declassification process while donald trump was president, which flies in the face of what trump has claimed in the past. tonight, the documents could be in the hands o