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counsel as we speak in a criminal probe. now, in just a moment, we will try to get some answers from trump's lawyer who will be joining me live. but first, a look at the brand-new information gathered by our cnn team. their sources say that there are 16 records of the national archives and what they are handing over to jack smith. they apparently indicate trump and his top advisors were made aware of the correct process to declassify material while trump was president, undercutting claims like this one. >> i took what i took against declassified. they become automatically declassified when i took them. >> and also this claim. >> it doesn't have to be a process. you are the president of the united states, you can declassified just by saying it is declassified, even by thinking about it. >> we are told the archives informed trump about its discovery yesterday in a letter. cnn has obtained a copy.

it says, i am quoting, the 16 records and questionable reflect communication involving close presidential advisers, some of them directed to you personally, concerning weather, why, and how you should declassify certain classified records. more ominously, it is likely that the 16 records contain evidence that would be important to the grand jury's investigation. why would it be important? because they could provide insight into trump's possible intent. whether he willfully disregarded what he knew to be clearly established protocols when he took those documents and held on to them after

leaving the white house. meanwhile, trump has lost a key member of his defense team in this case. timothy parlatore testified before the grand jury in december. his exit comes at a critical time, when the special counsel may be nearing the final stretch in the criminal probe. we do have one of the members who was still on donald trump's team. his name is jim trusty any joins us now. jim trusty, thank you for being here, let's get right into it. as president of the united states, did donald trump know how the declassification process worked, or did he just ignore it? >> well, president trump was exactly right in your town hall the other day. he is aware of a bureaucratic process that can be used. he used the bureaucratic process in the middle of his

presidency to declassify the crossfire hurricane matters that are the subject of a 316-page report that we saw this week. but at the end of his presidency he relied on the constitutional authority as commander-in-chief, which is to take documents and take them to mar-a-lago well still president as he was at the time, and to effectively declassify and personalize them. he talked about declassifying them but he didn't need to and if you look at the presidential records act, there is absolutely no basis for saying that bureaucracy rules and the president does not have the authority interested in him by

the voters to possess and declassify the hold on the documents. >> hold on, let's look at the presidential records act and what it actually says. it says the united states shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of presidential records. and under federal law, will feel really removing any record or document carries the possibility of a three-year prison sentence. we went, we looked it up as journalists do, and nowhere doesn't say that you can mentally just think about it and that they are declassified.

so you would not have heard this from any other president at any other time. what gives donald trump the right to use mental gymnastics to try to figure this out and try to put out there that this was all perfectly legal? >> you have packed so many misstatements and to one question, whatever that was. >> i read the law, it is not a misstatement. >> well we will see about that. the presidential records act does not have a criminal enforcement proponent to itself. look at it again. not in the pr a. the pr aide says that presidents and archivists have to try to work together to resolve the universe of documents that are held onto by

the former president, or turned over to the archives. they are literally personal or presidential. the case law has shown in any case with president trump, that the doj completely deferred to the former president's decisions as to which documents he's going to hold on to her which once he is not. bill clinton had audiotapes of hours and hours of recordings from the oval office when nero was sued. by the way, that is the remedy under the presidential records act, civil litigation. when nero was sued, doj stood there and open to court and said judge, none of us may like it but the president gets to make that determination. if narratives like his determination they can sue. bill clinton, his tapes were fine. obama, 2018, there is a letter from the obama foundation acknowledging millions of documents in a former furniture

store in illinois, including classified documents. there remedy to any situation there in that totally unsecure setting is to say you know what? we will give you three point $3 million to help transport these documents whenever we digitize the library. it has been five years and there is no hint of a digital library at. none of this is criminal and none of it has historically ever been subject to criminal tools, such as subpoenas or search warrants. but for donald trump there is an exception that is doj and this fbi are pursuing to mislead the american public to misuse statutes that are not criminal, and that have justified the mentality when it comes to one president over the other. >> the statute i read talked about the fact that there could

be a three year prison term. and i do want to remind you that you talked about the different presidents going and saying hey, we have this, we will send it to you. the issue here, the archive has said, is that they asked for the documents repeatedly over and over and over again over many months, and at first we are told they didn't have them, then they just wouldn't turn them over. and that is the difference between those people who had some of the documents, and donald trump. do you see nothing wrong with what donald trump did? >> absolutely nothing criminally wrong. if they wanted to sue, and they wanted to speed up the fight they could do that. but he engaged in negotiations. you are glossing over the fact that in january of 2022, he gave 15 boxes worth of material to archives. i've looked at every one of those boxes. >> right, but after they asked for it over and over. >> let me finish, please. it took nixon 13 years to get his tapes to archives, okay? bill clinton got to hold on to the software tapes. obama, neera, the politicized bureaucrats they are, announced don't worry, we have everything from obama. then delaware laid bare the truth that they didn't have everything from the obama administration. and frankly, i'm sure they still don't. so every president and many people that don't even have the power of declassification have held on to documents for years and years hopefully usually innocuously or even unknowingly and that is not a criminal prosecution until we get to today. >> but they can have some of those documents that are not classified. we are talking about classified documents. classified documents that could have huge impacts. so let me just, let me just quickly ask you. let me quickly ask you. >> well if you wanted to make speeches, make speeches. >> i'm not making a speech, i let you speak for quite some time in the letter that you and your fellow attorneys sent to

congress, you made it a point to not opine about whether the documents were classified why not if as you say, that your client was doing a quote, standing order that the documents were moved from the oval office for automatically declassifying? >> that document was designed to make a very specific point. what we said is that the doj refuses to show us the affidavit. doj refuses to show us the documents despite having clearance to review them. we have no way of knowing whether any of these documents, even by their own terms, would be considered classified, much less declassified by the president. the point was to say to congress, in a nonpartisan way, this is an overreach. we need to look at the system, why all of these different presidents and sometimes vice presidents and congress people are having classified documents in their possession. it does not translate into a crime, no matter what the underlying facts are. so the point of that letter was not to give a full defense, if everything we could see a trial, which is numerous types of defenses, and numerous moments of overreaching by doj. to point out that it congressional fix, and odni fix is the way to go here. >> you also signed a letter arguing the former president did not know what was in the boxes, but here is what he told

kaitlan collins. >> when we left washington, we had the boxes lined up on the sidewalk outside for everybody -- people taking pictures of them, everybody knew we were taking those boxes. and the gsa, the government service, the gsa wasn't the one taking them. they brought them down to mar-a-lago. >> you signed this letter, and donald trump now says this. who is lying here? >> nobody is lying here. nice try. that is like when did you stop beating your wife? the bottom line is president trump didn't sit there and fold of documents and newspapers and pictures of salinity on and put them into boxes for transport. there were a whole bunch of people that worked at the white house that helped with the white house that pact of materials and sent them to mar-a-lago while he was still president. we are not going to sit here and pretend that the president trump personally looked at every single box. he knows the general nature that there are golf shirts, and there are golf scoring cards, and there are pictures of salina on, he knows from the unprecedented and unwarranted and unconstitutional search of

mar-a-lago that they took things like passports that had nothing to do with anything, tax records, medical records. this was a fishing expedition by prosecutors who were engaged in persecution, not following evidence, but criminalizing a non criminal dispute. if we let this genie out of the bottle it is going to come back to haunt generations, where we don't have executive privilege, we don't have attorney client privilege, where we create new rules for donald trump because people in power and people in federal law enforcement want to go after him. so that is a message of our letter. that is a message -- go ahead. >> that you are sending to congress. so the question is, you know, why should the president, no president is above the law, nobody in this country is above the law. so why is he able to just ignore a subpoena? should that be okay? >> he didn't ignore a subpoena.

we talked about the 15 boxes. we talked about the fact that in every other case in history, it is a long drawn out process of negotiation. that is probably explained the patients that neera had in the 2018 letter from obama. with millions of documents. >> but after the fbi asked for the boxes they came back to find 15 more boxes, and so they did not pay attention to the subpoena. so why is that okay, is what i am asking. if i did that as a citizen, there would be held to pay. >> you also don't have the powers under the presidential records act of declassification. i'm pretty sure you are not president right now. but let me just say this, you are ignoring the fact that for the first time in history, a weaponized doj, much like the one described in the durham report, with the same culture, maybe not the same individuals, but they decided to use the presidential records act as a trojan horse. get inside mar-a-lago, pretend there is some problem there. the last time the president had contact with doj, before that subpoena, he said the attorney, show them where this stuff is in the storage room the attorney did that. and he said to the official that has led most of the charge here, if you need anything else just us.

he was in a negotiating stance from the beginning through the end. they said put a lock on the door, and then they were the first ones to go quiet and break the lock two months later in an unprecedented raid. this is the only president that would face this type of justified means behavior, and as one of his attorneys we are going to fight it. >> all right. the doj would have a very different story about the fbi certainly disputes what you just said, but i thank you for coming on. appreciate your time. >> through their leaks, they certainly have, thank you. >> we will bring in senior justice correspondent evan perez. he helped break the cnn exclusive on the evidence, the national archives is set to now turn over to the special counsel. the special counsel could have it as we are speaking. what do you make of some of the answers that you just heard from one of donald trump's attorneys in this case? >> i think they have their work cut out for them, sarah. they have a lot of problems with the president who, as you pointed out, ignored a subpoena, he did not turn -- he had his lawyers, his lawyers told the government that they had everything, they turned over everything. then the government learned from other evidence that there was more stuff there in that stuff was being moved, despite

their promise to not do that and to not touch anything in that room. so the fbi goes back and finds additional classified documents. those are the facts and the presidents being investigated not only for willful retention of classified documents, national security documents that he shouldn't have had, but also for obstructing an investigation. that is a problem. i understand there is a few things that he said that i think we can address individually. the comparison to the clinton tapes, for instance. it is one example. but look , they have a lot of problems to deal with, and if the president is charged with a crime it will be a very, very nasty, legal battle between the

justice department and the former president. >> i did get to make this point to him but i made the point that if i did it i would be in hot water. he said you are not the president. but president trump wasn't president either, he was a former president and he still had this classified documents. how do you see this going forward? >> i mean, i think that there's a lot of signs that the jack smith and his team are working very, very hard, very quickly. they are trying to wrap up. it is not clear whether they are going to be able to speed this up as much as they hoped to. because of this story we published tonight is an example. they are trying to get, the former presidents aide based to

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just in, we are getting word of a citizens arrest outside of the california home of the duke and justice of sussex. this comes, of course, as prince harry and meghan markle allege a quote, near catastrophic chase in new york city. a member of the couple's security detail describes a dangerous scene involving paparazzi in the streets but there seem to be some conflicting accounts of what happened. harry's spokesperson said that after leaving an awards ceremony for meghan with markles mom, they tried to make their way to a private residence. but were hounded by paparazzi for more than two hours. they were swarming them in endangering the couple and the public at large.

the couple switched vehicles more than once ending up at a police station before they could reach their final destination. harry's team said that it could have been fatal. but a taxi driver who had them for just one part of that journey tells us his part of the story. and it is a little different. >> we were just crossing going across town and i see a security guard who asked me if i want a fair, i said of course, and then i see him pull over in the next minute you know they were jumping in the back of my cab. i was kind of nervous, you know they were getting in, and they have been chased all day long. then they were just about to give me the address where they were going, we were just making left and right turns. that is it. they were not being that aggressive while they were driving behind us. he was looking around seeing if nobody was acting suspicious and after the paparazzi were in front of the car they were not

moving so he got out of the car and said hey listen, move. >> all right. the nypd says that there were no collisions, injuries, or arrests. police sources told our chief law enforcement and intelligence analysts that vehicles were going up on sidewalks trying to catch up with the couple. the mayor of new york cast doubt on whether the chase lasted for that two hour period. all of this is of course conjuring memories of what happened to prince harry's mom, princess diana who was killed in a car crash while being chased by the paparazzi in paris. a nightmare prince harry worries might repeat itself. >> i am trying to put a stop to this because i cannot ever imagine, and i don't want to imagine history repeating itself. every single time that i see a camera, every single time i hear a click, every time i hear

a flashy takes me straight back. so in that respect, it is the worst reminder of her life as a person. i fear the end result, the fact i lost my moment i was 12 years old. it could easy happen again to my wife. >> with me to discuss our cnn media analyst sarah fischer, julia chatterley, and cnn royal commentator, sally smith , and former nypd lieutenant, thank you all for being here. this is captured once again as it always does the public's attention. i will start with you, sarah. what do you make of the somewhat conflicting statements. it is really about how aggressive or dangerous this was, i think at this point. everyone agrees something did happen that was problematic. >> when you are in the car and you have that type of traumatic experience that harry had, of course you are going to perceive there to be a lot of danger against you. it doesn't surprise me that his account may be more dangerous than what the police and the taxi driver were saying. but the big thing i am thinking about is that this is going to

capture headlines for days and that is because here in america, we love stories about prince harry, and meghan markle. it captures our attention so much. unfortunately for them, they are in this reinforcing vicious cycle. something like this happens because of how much attention that they are getting. it will actually drive a news cycle, they will get more attention, and they will push the paparazzi to go harder next time. there is a challenge that they face here, every time they talk about something like this happening it makes it even worse. >> let me apologize for being a part of the news cycle, for getting that out of the way. you are a former nypd officer and you worked on queen elizabeth protection unit, which is pretty interesting.

i got a lot of questions i want to ask you after the show but first, what do you make of what we know so far? you are hearing the mayor say something, the police are saying something, they don't all match. >> when you speak to responsible journalism, where is sara sidner when we needed her? right in the street when this was happening. but more importantly, on a serious note, it really begs the question of who had fortifications in case from the protection detail. oftentimes the nypd is not responsible for individuals of this magnitude such as prince harry and meghan markle, but at the same token you want to ensure that they are safe because you want to be called after the factor appears something. so it goes to what can be done best? there were two components that are necessary when you are providing dignitary protection. the first component would be the officers that you see wearing the suits and the earpieces. the second component is an enforcement detail. the enforcement detail would be responsible for arresting

people and some if necessary, we didn't have the enforcement in place as a release. secondly we only had a small number of officers that were on this detail. that is why it manifested to the point where we are speaking about it. i don't think that it ran for two hours but i do think that this was a troubling event because we go back to what happened with princess diana years ago, and we have terrible feelings based on the paparazzi doing this pursuit. now, when we look for the after action review, what can be done better so this doesn't happen next time? >> we have to look for harry he believes the press killed his mom. that is the overlay. i couldn't agree more with you. that backdrop, the defining moment i think of his young childhood, losing his mother,

will make anything, even i-25 miles an hour traumatic for him. so i think you have to overlay that. but i thought first losing his mother, his second, two hours driving in new york city you could be halfway to washington so that feels slightly weird. and there were other inconsistencies. that was a bit weird. why were they in a yellow cab? i think your point about the security situation and questions being asked about whether or not they could be handled. this particular couple in new york. we handle the united nations. what happened? >> the thing that occurred to me immediately is why couldn't they have averted it? why couldn't they have just literally driven by the car hotel, walked in there, and said help? you know, the paparazzi's could not a followed them. it would have been safe relatively. i go back to diana and you have to look at the judgments that are made along the way.

diana and duty were in -- they had been pursued by paparazzi for an entire day. then they went to the ritz hotel. they had dinner, and they had is sweet, they were all by themselves. but all of their luggage, all of their belongings were up at the apartment. and the decision was taken by dodi that they had to go there. why they couldn't have had people go and bring all their things back to the reds and be safe is one of the enduring questions. but i mean, i think in other words, i am sure that harry was totally traumatized because it summed up all of those horrible images. but i think that nobody was really making possible -- nobody was making really sound decisions. why they let it go on. >> max foster, our correspondent said it earlier, in may have changed, but this suggestion that no one from the family that called them -- it is still the same. >> the royal family has not

called. >> that upsets me. whether you believe it, whether you think that it was magnified in some way, the timing after the coronation is important, pick up the phone. that's really sad. >> another thing that occurred to me is something very dangerous that happened to charles and camilla back in 2010 when there was legislation in parliament that raised the tuition. there were horrible riots in london. and camilla and charles went out to an event, and they were driving up regent street, and these mobs just descended on them. they were throwing trash cans out them. there was a window open, they stuck a stick into the car and poked camilla.

they were terrified. this was just another thing. >> yeah. >> what is really unfortunate -- >> and they got reinforcements immediately. and that is what i want to do about it. why weren't there other people coming to their rescue? >> do you think the police were a little bit taken aback? they are there to protect you from attacks that are direct but they are not thinking about the paparazzi. do you think they were surprised by the number of paparazzi, potentially from all over the world trying to get their picture? >> you bring out an interesting point. oftentimes the protection details are more focused on adversaries. not the paparazzi. in a place of new york city, you are photographed and videotaped 100 200 times a day. we just accept the fact that this is something that happens. in many instances, the protection details are not focused on the paparazzi. but we have to remember why did meghan and harry come to the united states? because they wanted to get away from the atrocities that the paparazzi were committing overseas in england. that being said, i think that we really need to take a look back and say what are we going

to do in connection with these reckless paparazzi's that are recreating public alarm because we have paparazzi is on scooters driving up the wrong way on sidewalks putting pedestrians in danger. so the component we have is reckless endangerment and hopefully the nypd will capture images and take some of these people into custody. because a lot of these people on the scooters had their license plate covered, the windows were blacked out, so it was clear that they were being surreptitious in conduct. >> there was intent there. can we show the picture of all the lights going out as meghan and harry are walking towards the car? look at that. those flashes are all from flashbulbs going off and off. it shows you just the amount of paparazzi that surrounds them wherever they go, whether it is in london or here in new york. all right. we are going to take a break. >> and this is something that was in a certain magnitude. but it is something they've seen over and over again. >> which is why the frustration is so high. all, right stay with us, taxi driver who spoke to harry and meghan joining portion of their coaches will be live on cnn tonight coming up at ten p. m. . now to the hill, indicted congressman george santos, known for flagrant lies has avoided expulsion for now. what he says about resigning and some of his colleagues are turning up the heat. >> save yourself! your dignity! >> my colleague is screaming here.

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committees. how are they better served with you being here in congress? >> i was elected by them to come represent them. i will continue to do that. i have not not done my job. >> all right, that gaggle soon turned into chaos as fellow new york congress members heckled santos, and you could hear them off camera. >> save yourself! your dignity! have some dignity! new york needs better! you've gotta go, man, come on! >> aren't you in ethics as well? come on. i can't continue. there is a deranged member here. i have to go on. >> wow. it did not end their, by the way. after santos left, these congressman went head to head. >> you gotta kick him out! you've got a kick him out! your party has to kick him out! he is embarrassing you all.

he's embarrassing you will! you've got to expel him. expose him. save the party. the party is hanging by a thread. the party is hanging by a thread. >> alrighty, joining the table, press secretary for the trump administration and former coalitions director for the biden harris 2020 campaign. thank you for joining us, we have sarah here as well as julia with us. i want to start with you, sarah matthews. you heard one of the congressman saying have some dignity, new yorkers need better and this was obviously somebody from new york yelling at santos. is he right? >> he is 100% correct. i do wish that george santos had the dignity to resign. obviously we see that is not going to happen. he's already announced his intent to run for reelection. but i will say that i do think it might be a bit premature to expel him solely based on the indictment alone. i think with the past, i don't recall any other member or senator being expelled just

based on an indictment. we do need to let the ethics committee process play out. >> there probably has not been another person in his position that has lied so much and has been proven to lie. so i am curious what you make of that and whether you think, let's put politics aside which no one ever can, but let's do that is, let's look at what he has done. and say this is a bad representation of us. >> it really is. as americans, just in general having someone like that serving in congress, i feel really bad for his constituents. he says they elected me to represent them. no, they elected a character you developed. they did not elect the real george santos because they did not know who he was because he did not tell the truth. the reality is that he is not getting expelled right now because the republicans have such a slim majority in the house. turnovers are not in their favor when they are trying to pass legislation. so it doesn't work for them. that is where the political nature comes back into it. it is not about whether he did something wrong. everyone knows he's done something wrong.

but they need the votes of republicans. >> can i just ask you a quick question on this? does it surprise you where we are right now? i feel 20 years ago, we may not be in this position. >> it is interesting that you say that. in the past few years, especially in the digital era and has allowed people to create online personalities, it has allowed people to be anonymous, it has allowed people to shape the record and in some senses, in another one,

we have more accountability than it ever. and what is crazy about the george santos story is by the way, thank god for local news, because it was a local paper that broke the story. but what is crazy about it is that he was able to develop this crazy persona, but also he was able to get away with it for so long. so, am i surprised we are here? in a sense, yes, because we should have been more local politicians to higher standards. we should have been against investigating them. we should've known this later. but in the digital era it is not shocking to see people make caricature's of themselves online and that is where we are. >> we should state that republicans have called for him to step down, that is not obviously happened not as politics. >> it is precedent as well. there has been two congressman expenses the civil war and the y were both convicted.

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we want a vibrant city for visitors to come to, and it needs to look busy. in needs to look vibrant. it doesn't need to look so slow and rumbling. >> all right, let's bring in our fabulous panel, i'm going to start with, you, julie because you said something that i thought was very smart about what this is and why we're seeing ceo saying, no you have to come back. >> how long before we get a digital apology when she can't hire workers opposing that stuff. >> i was saying to you, we're gonna talk about how many branches of economics, which is productivity paranoia, and the view of ceos where they can see their ceos, there's the assumption that they're freaking working. and we could talk about, this them doing, that quite frankly but there's a balance somewhere and elon musk is never shy about sharing his opinion, but -- it depends on industries. there are very fearful of their workers not doing everything. in the situation, if you say to a worker, i want you in the office and innovation requires people engaging. i need you in the office, and i want you to resign, awesome.

>> there's a lot of people out there -- >> a lot of people are going to stay at home. >> i think there are arguments to be made about returning to the office, and productivity and things like that. isolation, it's nice to go in person and see your colleagues. i think what the issue is that elon musk came at it from the wrong angle. him saying that it's morally wrong, that -- >> it's what he said. people take issue with him giving that message. >> for sure. >> because what is morally wrong about being able to do your job? and in some places if they've shown a productivity go up. you work from home sometimes, right? or all the time. >> unless i'm onset. i work from home. and i never thought before covid that working from home would be something that i liked, and i have to tell you, i love it. it is the ability to kind of create your own schedule, but still get the work done. that's the goal at the end of the day. i think it's comical that elon musk wants to talk about morals. there are so many other things that he should be worried about,

morality. so he can take two steps to the side and sit down. but i also feel that it's about options. you know, if you want to have a hybrid workplace where some people thrive off of coming -- i'm also an introvert, so being around a lot of people in the office is draining and sometimes distracting. if you want to come into work, great have an office space. if you don't, the one point i will say is my family, we are in b. c. the other day and walking around downtown, and it was rather quiet in the middle of the day. because, people are -- and businesses are suffering. so i don't think we have to revert back to the way that we all committed to work pre-covid, but i also think we have to think about how we keep our economy thriving and small businesses open, so that they can continue to keep their employees employed, even if they don't get to work from home. >> by the way, his point about people who can't work from home, that hit me hard, because i really do think about service workers and what they had to go through in the pandemic. it is a delivery problem, but it is your point about choice. it has to be a situation, i think, where you give workers choice but you incentivize them to come in. that what you don't have resentment, people have the? weight to be as productive as possible, but at the same time,

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>> there may be no place like jail for the person who stole dorothy's ruby slippers. a federal grand jury has indicted a minnesota man for allegedly stealing an original pair of the wizard of oz slippers, nearly two decades ago. they were swiped from the judy garland museum, that require -- recovered in 2018. they are valid around three point $5 million. i know, sadly, those are not actual rubies. thank you so much for joining us. the news continues on cnn. >> hello, and welcome to our viewers joining us here in united states, and all around the world. i'm rosemary church. just ahead on cnn newsroom, u.s. president joe biden wil