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bottles, and cans at our position, forcing reporters to cower for cover. but, jerusalem day has seen much more serious violence than this. it was in 2021 as the that yous of israelis made their way to the old city that the palestinian group threw rockets towards jerusalem setting off a war. unnamed red lines were crossed, but, this year, most of the drama stayed on the ground in clashes and scufflings, and not rockets in the sky. >> and to your viewers, thanks very much for watching, i'm wolfe blitzer in the situation room. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. >> out front next, break threw, ukrainian forces make significant new gains as putin is cracking down on his war
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critics we will tell you what's happening tonight. meantime, knocking on doors on anyone who was a law makers who crossed him. plus, new health concerns for senator dianne feinstein, more complications from shingles, including inflammation of the brain. more on that and who the mystery woman is by her side at all times now. and it's a real life episode of succession, the world's richest man has to choose one of his children to take the reigns, who will it be? good evening, i'm air rain burnet. out front, putin targeting his own. putin police forces breaking down doors and detaining. armed police at one politician's home. this is break ting down with a crow bar, ripping the door off, and part of a sweep that reportedly was looking for people with ties to a former
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russian law makers. a man who was forced into exsill after he became the only law makers to vote against putins annexation of crimea. look what they're doing to people they say are connected to him. moments ago i spoke to him about the men being detained in these raids. >> what do you think will happen to them, after their homes are raided and i understand some were detained. >> i think they're picking up random targeting, the message are not to those particular people who were raided and detained it's a message of just take away. don't take a part of this. keep out. >> more of my interview in just a moment. but, this crackdown from putin is coming as ukraine is said to have made another break through to the west of bakhmut. in fact, we have new video into out front
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showing ukraine taking out an ammunition depot. that's the fire that you see. that instruct tour eventually goes up in total flames. and we have new video to show you the deadly assault around the ground on bat mute. there's a group of soldiers walking. speeding it up here, then, their bunkers are hit by a ukrainian strike. the bunkers taking a beating. and these realtime advancings that we're seeing today. ukraine is not only making advances in the ground but also in the air. putin, again overnight, blasting ukraine with missiles, 30 of them overnight. all but one intercepted. the missile debris is burning from that attack. keep in mind that these missiles, every one of them cost money, according to ""forbes" millions of dollars a piece. every time you log millions of
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dollars in and if they're intercepted it's for nothing. sam, what is the latest on the ground as we look for signs or proof that it's already started in terms of this expected offensive." >> reporter: well, i think, erin there's evidence that the softening up processes are starting today. in crimea, there were reports of russians of a mysterious derailment of a train in the occupied crimean peninsula. and of course, they koblt to take down attacks, missiles, after missiles, nearly overnight. dozens being fired by russia ahead of their ground offensive. and of course, we're seeing the advances made on the
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outskirts of bakhmut by ukraine. i don't think they're directly connected with the much warranted future ground defensive but could be developed into something exploited if they have a significant break through. it is making advances in the certainty of that town, so, they could be heading in opposite directions. but, right across the board we have president zelensky saying an attack is imminent but not immediate. he's playing it close to his chest erin. so, bringing it home, any moment, but not yet. sam, thank you very much, reporting from eastern ukraine near the front line it is tonight. out front now, ilia who ask a russian law makers forced into exsill after he was the only russian law makers to vote against the annexation of
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crimea. of course, there's been serious developments here, a number of homes of opposition politicians, we understand have now been raided in russia putin says the number of people targeted are connected to you. what do you think is going on her here? >> i think they're trying to scare people away from the newly parliament, about the constitution in june of this year. and i think that they want to spook the potential participants so they don't participate in congress. >> i know that can have a horrible outcome. you were forced into exsill for standing up for what you thought was right on crimea. i know that you have security now in your day-to-day life. i mean, how worried are you about your
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physical safety? >> well, i'm at war. i went to ukraine consciously. i was in safe america where i was stuck after i was not allowed to come back to my home country. but, i decided to come to ukraine to participate in this war. i was approached already once by a p earn who wanted to kill me, and i escaped, and now i think it's my turn. >> so, you have a situation here where you're speaking out at risk to your life and trying to understand where this is going. ukraine claims to have down 29 out of 30 missiles launched by russia overnight, this is the pattern, right, there's a nightly bar. if fail
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of russian missiling. >> what he's right now trying to do is he's trying to identify certain scapegoats where he could point fingers. it was their fault that this missiles are not being so invulnerable as they were declared to be. and he found them. he found three scientists of my home place in which were doing testing of missiles, and they said they falsefied the results. and this is an important lesson for all of the scientists in the country, just stay away from the military contracts, stay away from this, which is government, and do what you're supposed to do. do innovations and good things for people. >> anchor: all right. i appreciate your time, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> i'm going to go straight to leon the former secretary of
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defense and the former director of the cia. putin is using scientists tore scapegoats for missile failures, right? he knows several from his hometown where this is what happens happened. and putin is raiding the homes of opposition politicians, the crow bar, ripping off the door from the door jam. what do you think is going on here? >> well, what's going on is that putin is losing the war in ukraine, and he's playing with a weak hand. i mean, i don't underestimate putin, he will continue to fight back and double down. but, the reality is he's facing opposition in russia, his force are depleted, russia is being impacted. a seriously by this war, economically and in other ways. and people like the person you
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interviewed, recognize that putin is fighting a losing war and it's hurting russia, that's what's going on. >> so, when you talk about what's happening in ukraine, the losses there, president zelensksyy said his gains, the quote, secretary was, are preparing. and we're seeing a video of ukraine taking out a mission out in bakhmut. we see strikes for ammo depots, supply >> well, there's no question they are preparing the battlefield, let's put it that way. they're going after russian logistics, hitting oil de.sand refineries, hitting ammo depots and they're hitting train depots, they're really trying to go after russia's logistical
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support and trying to get them to be able to push those logistics even further from the battlefield which would make it tougher for russians to respond. and they're beginning to prod to find the weak spots. what they're doing in bakhmut, i think, is, um, has really shown that they have the advantage right now. they're pushing russians back. they're waiting to see whether the russians will respond with additional support there, but, if they continue to prod in different areas, this is a 600-mile front that they're dealing with, i think the ukrainians will be hitting their weak spots and that will constitute they are spraying offensive as the ability to move in a number of directions at once without the russians being able to respond. >> i think it's so important that you emphasized 600 mile
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front. sources are telling cnn that the biden administration signalled that the united states will allow them to export f-16 fighter jets to ukraine. this is signalling. i know this is something that you thought was important to do. obviously it takes time to train the pilots, this is not an immediate flip the switch and here we go. should this have been done sooner so that they could use these in this offensive? >> well, it's always a little frustrating, as these weapons systems are being provided, it's taken time. but, i'm glad to see they're coming to the right conclusion which is that they auto permit these country toss provide the f-16 fighters. it's a critical plane. now, look, it's going to take time, you need pilots and there's a lot of maintenance associated with these planes, i don't expect
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they will be immediately put into contact. but, the fact that we're doing that makes clear that we're going to give ukrainians, every weapon system they need in order to win the war. >> thank you, i appreciate it. >> thank you, erin. >> and next, a hearing gets heated as republicans call disgruntled fbi employees to testify against the fbi. >> y'all have plenty. that doesn't make you whistleblowers. >> plus, senator dianne feinstein said she had shingles, and we now learn that she suffered serious complications including inflammation of the brain called encephalitis. and ron desantis hitting florida where it hearts the most. disney scrapping a billion dollars development in florida. what does this mean for the desantis campaign? old the car t.
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determined by the agency not to be whistleblowers. >> the law decides it, did you not read the law, the law decides they're the whistleblowers. >> sarah hurry is out front with more on the serious questions surrounding jordan's star witnesses. two fbi employees, who were stripped of their security clearances. now, star witnesses for republicans as the house judiciary subcommittee tries to drive home the narrative are targeting conservatives. >> against everyday americans. >> democrats slammed the presence of the hearing. >> my colleagues on the far right are on the mission to attack, discredit, and ultimately, dismantle the fbi. >> and question the
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credibility of the republicans so-called whistleblowers. >> y'all have employment grievances, that doesn't make you whistleblowers. the grievances does not con institute whistle blower status. >> certain fbi flows had their security clearances revoked after espousing alternative theorys about the january 6th attack on the capital. >> and others that questioned the official narrative of the events of january 6th. >> among the reasons fbi staff operation's specialist marcus allen had his security clearance pulled, trying to hinder investigations into january 6th rioters, the fbi wrote. >> the claim is dubious and i do not recall ever being add mondayishs for that action. in in one e-mail, allen told
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colleagues to exercise extreme caution and discretion in pursuit of investigative inquiries or leads pertaining to the investigation of january 6th. and he claims federal law infill straited the unanimous 6th crowd. >> the fbi says friend objected to a swat team arrest of a january 6th, rioter. and participated in unauthorized media interviews. >> my wisele blowing was apolitical in the spirit of upholding my oath. nonetheless, the fbi closed ranks and attacked the messenger. >> garrett o'boyle says he expressed concern of wrongdoing in the fbi only to see his clearance suspended. >> mr. o'boyle, why do you think they came down on you so
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darn hard? >> the agency as a whole want to get rid of people who simple don't tow the line they want. >> now, republicans are using these witnesses to try to drive home this idea to americans, this sort of dubious claim that the fbi, which, of course is known for being a conservative law enforcement body is full of liberals targeting conservatives across the country. and we've heard jim jordan is pushing this forward, so, you could bet this is not the last hearing on the subject. >> thank you, as always, democratic senator, dianne feinstein may be sicker than she. she has a new person by her side at all times, it's nancy pelosi's daughter and why that could be significant. plus, the hit tv show, "succession". >> i love you, but you are not
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inflammation of the brain. the senator first denied having encephalitis and said it was just the flu, but, her office confirmed that she did, indeed, have encephalitis. this is the 89-year-old senate sir facing increasing questions about her mental fitness and her ability to serve as a senator. >> senator feinstein, do you still feel fit to serve? >> excuse husme. >> what do you think about calls to resign? >> ms. pelosi, are you working for her office now? >> thank you. >> i mean, that's painful to watch, manu is out front, what are you learning tonight? >> there's not much information coming from senator feinstein or her office, she was gone for several months and returned. she's said very little about everything that happened. but, in the revelation that she did get
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encephalitis in addition to the ramsey hunt syndrome, two complications that are from the result of shingles, she initially denied that and said it was a case of a bad flu, then, later the office confirmed, indeed, she had broader health complications. talking to senators when asked about wether or not she believed she was fit to serve, they side-stepped the question. >> do you have confidence she can continue to hold this rigorous job? >> we're all human. and we all have health issues. and, right now, she is performing as the united states senator, doing her job. >> are you worried about her ability to do her job? >> i can't answer that. because, i don't know. i have confidence in her judgment. and, her family's judgment. and her staff's judgment. >> now, questions about senator feinstein persisted
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several years. she was slated to be the first woman to chair the judiciary committee, she was eventually pushed aside by top democrats concerned with her ability to do that. she could have been the most senior member of the senate t someone who would be in line for the presidential succession. she did not take that position and allowed patty murray to be the president pro tem instead all because of the health issues that came before the shingles. >> what about when someone asked ms. pelosi if he was working for dianne feinstein's office. nancy pelosi's eldest daughter, nancy, she's been by dianne feinstein's side since returning to the senate. what do you know about their relationship, manu? >> it was an interesting development learning about this in recent days. she is someone, the pelosis, and the feinsteins
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have been close, coming through san francisco politics, their office has a personal relationship, not a political one. and this is why the former speaker's daughter is working with her, and essentially working as a care taker of sorts. but, it has also raised political questions as well. nancy pelosi is supporting adam schiff to be the next senator from california to replace dianne feinstein, if dianne feinstein were to resign, again, the governor gavin newsom said he would appoint a black woman to the post. if he would do that that may be shake up the senate race, make the senate bid more difficult. pelosi's office denies that's the case but those are the questions swirling. >> i want to go to our chief medical correspondent, dr.
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guptata. look, let's be honest, this has captivated the country. and obviously you're a neuro surgeon. let's start with the latest news on encephalitis which they said she didn't have and then said in fact, she had. how serious could encephalitis be and what does it do to a brain? >> well, it could be very serious, it's inflammation of the whole brain. people heard the term menengitis is an inflammation of the outer brain. they had suspicions because of shingles, and then, she probably had symptoms which could be vague in the beginning, but, things like fever, it could be neck ache, sensitivity to light. and then it can go into mental confusion and seizures, you may
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be to get an mri scan or do punctures to find out. it can be resolved and the fever and pain and headaches can go away, but, you could be left with mental confusion, difficulties with memory. and she's 89 years-old. so, all of that is am amplified in someone that old. >> these are serious consideration. now, the senator's office is saying, while the encephalitis resolved, and as to what you just said, we don't know what that means, fully. but, they say see continues to have complications from something called ramsey hunt syndrome, what is ramsey hunt syndrome? >> this is a another consequence, a rare one, of shingles. both can be a result of shingles. and you've heard
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of shingles, basically if you've had chickenpox as a kid, the virus that causes chickenpox, shh may not go away. it stays inside your body and at some point as an adult, is gets reactivated. it affects that nerve that we showed on the screen for a second. it's the facial nerve. that's the yellow, sort of lines that you see on someone's face there. it can affect all of these nerves, people's faces can be paralyzed as a result of that, they may develop lesions on her face and eye. she was complaining about her eyes. the lesions can be inside the mouth. people who have shingles sometimes describe the pain they have with that, imagine that, erin, on your face. now, it can also resolve, but, it can take awhile. how quickly was it diagnosed? did she get anti-virals, was she given steroids. people often
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compare it to bells palsy. which is similar. but, ramsey hunt is serious and less likely to evolve. thank you, very much, sanjay. >> well, this is coming as a bright side, the fellow democrats to step down. so, what do the voters in california think? in san francisco, which is dianne feinstein's hometown. >> i was mayor of of san francisco for nine years. >> senator dianne feinstein conducting normal business didn't change concerns at home about her health. >> and anything we can do to help, i think we should. >> after these images earlier this week that stunned san francisco native tom benton. >> just sadness, i think, first and foremost, shocked to some degree at how frail she
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seems. >> bonton, a progressive group individual helped sign this open letter asking her to resign to focus on her health. he had voted for feinstein for decades, and witnessed her assent from the first female mayor of san francisco to the first woman sent to the senate. a trailblazer, who he says needs to pass the torch. >> why would anybody wish that on a man or a woman? why would anybody feels it's their right to be in that kind of distress, that's the dignified end to a career that you would want. i don't understand that. >> aging, and ending a career are often private decisions, but, in public service, that's not always a choice. >> i'm announcing that i will not be a candidate for re-election to congress in 2022. it's time for me to come home. >> that's former california congresswoman jackie sphere who
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retired in 2022. she believes feinstein is facing an unfair scrutiny. >> i think there's a fair amount of misogynythase. there's a willingness to look at women and judge them differently. i think it's a personal decision to resign. she's already made the personal decision to retire. >> is it a personal decision if taxpayers are paying for your job. >> if she's doing her job, i don't think there's a question here. >> sphere says she retired to spend time with her husband and says one way to fix the problem in washington is a mandate retirement age. until that happens, as a colleague, that should be feinstein's choice. >> should there be an age limit? >> i said there's a time for all of us where our level of
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acutety is not as it once was. that's an evaluation that each member makes. >> now, having spoken to a lot of people who either now dianne feinstein, or have worked for her in this city, or who are represented by her, they say that this is more than about more than age. this is actually about more than dianne feinstein's legacy, and this is a city that is admired her, and really, truly cares about that legacy, erin. they're really concerned about the business of the senate and the representation of this state of 39 million people. erin. >> all right, thank you. a lot to think about. interesting arguments there. next, ron desantis about to formerly jump into the presidential race. one of the donors on that call will be out front with me next. and... >> i have you beat. >> the drama, succession now
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for a $1 billion office outside of orlando. that would have bought thousands of jobs for florida. out front now, dan ebber heart, long time republican donor supporting desantis and was on a call with desantis and supporters today. i'm glad to see you, i know you were on that call with the governor getting ready to jump into the race. the only two people with the chance of actually winning the white house are himself and joe biden. sounds like he was very clear about his message? >> well, yeah, i don't want to go too far into an internal call, erin. that's clear this is a two-person race for the republican primary. and look, donald trump had a chance in 2020 and lost. and the data clearly shows if he gets the nomination for 2024 he will lose to joe biden. ron desantis is a proven winner, he's never lost an election. and i think the contrast with joe biden, you know, the poles show that ron desantis will defeat joe biden
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in november of 2024. >> too early to say, for polls, i get it, that's what we have now. but, i know that you've spent a lot of time with trump allies at mar-a-lago recently and obviously in prior elections, you did raise a lot of money for trump. so, you know that inner circle, you know him. what's the view from there? >> well, i think the trump folks just keep pointing to the polls, but, to me, the trump campaign feels a lot like jeb bush, circa, 2015. >> in what way do you mean? it is perceived as at front-runner but will flame out. >> yeah, perceived as a front-runner but it's a very, very, fragile status, they keep the argument, to get on the train, the train's leaving the station, but, at the end of the
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day, it's a confidence shell an there's a lot of game left to play. it's kind of pre-season, very early. i think the polls right now are the ceiling for trump and he has no where to go but down. you know, primary voters haven't had a choice in a very long time of trump versus someone seelse. and when they , and look at the governor ron desantis' record. i think primary voters are ready to win in november of 2024. so, they will choose ron desantis. >> obviously, trump's base is not there, we know that. but, let's see. so, the governor's wife, casey desantis, as we know, has been by his side, speaking at public events, they make it clear they're a team, right? they travel overseas, she adjusts her wardrobe attire. they're a unit. i know that you've sat by her at dinners with the florida governor, what
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role do you think shell play in the campaign? >> well, frankly, i hope a big role. we may even have the wrong desantis running here. >> and do you think that shell continue to be the key and the cord of that inner circle? >> i hope that shell be out there championing the governor's policies. she's very clearly an asset to what i hope would soon be a presidential campaign. >> all right. thank you, very much, dan ebberhart joining me. now, gary, getting ready to make his formal announcement, obviously, in days, poll numbers for desantis, overall, they've not been in the right direction, right? trump going up and up. it's early, doesn't mean that's where we're going to end up, but, where does desantis stand right now? >> it's not that trump is
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going up, but, desantis is going down. you look where he is now, he's in fact, dropped in the low 20s, he's dropped by 10 points. but it's not the horse race polls that worry me about the florida governor. look underneath the hood. the voters that would turnout have been slipping as well. it's both that trump is rising, but, also that desantis is falling. >> what does history tell you about people with certain poll numbers do in the primary. i understand that is early on in ways. but, still, what do the polls say? >> well, first off, you can say that ron desantis has a 20% chance of winning the republican nomination, based upon where people are polling did in the past. 20% is not over 50% but
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it's not 0%. >> one in five. >> and one and five. barack obama did so in 2008, so did john mccain in 2008. there are historic examples of people polling like ron desantis right now go onto win the nomination. trump is the favor but desantis is no way out of running. >> we all know she is completely on the inner circle and she's, she orchestrates so much of their public appearances and she's very present. how much of an asset is she in the campaign? >> i believe there's a lot of interest in the first lady of florida. she ranks number one in governmental spouses nationwide. she ranks number one. people seem to like her. he heard our last guest saying that perhaps, the wrong desantis is running, i suspect shell play a pivot role in his campaign going forward. >> thank you very much.
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hitman. >> reporter: a magnate and patriarch. >> i love you. but you are not serious people. >> reporter: preparing his succession as carefully as he built his empire. not logan roy, but the real world's richest man, 74-year-old bernard, worth more than $230 billion, having built the world's biggest luxury goods company, all the while very personally raising, educating, and evaluating his five potential successors. >> i think my group is controlled by family. so instead of looking every day at the stock market, i look for the next ten years. >> reporter: all five children work for their father. 48-year-old delphine, the chair of christian dior, her brother, antoine, who is ceo of the holding company of christian dior, and the three children from second marriage.
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31-year-old alexander who is executive vice president of tiffany's, 28-year-old frederick who runs tag heuer, and the youngest, 24-year-old jean, the dev director of development and marking at louis vuitton's marketing division. >> he is at once an attentive father, a good father, but also a merciless boss. so the children had to work hard. he has a fairly clear idea of their qualities and their weaknesses. and when the moment comes will be able to choose. >> reporter: the $500 billion lvmh dominates the world of fashion with some of its biggest names like christian dior and louis vuitton. it was built through ruthless acquisition, and is diverse with vineyards, hotels, restaurants, and newspapers. >> i have you beat! >> reporter: but it isn't the treatment of their children that the fictional and real characters diverge. far from fostering discord,
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arnault has assured harmony, but with a cold eye on business, nonetheless. >> so thank you very much. appreciate it. >> reporter: the stakes are huge. the value of the company, but also the power that it brings. like logan roy, arnault has cultivated his relationships with the powerful, acquiring a vast media empire. and making lvmh a symbol in france. its headquarters stormed by protesters only last month. but while arnault has sought to protect his children, he's also made it clear what he expects of them. >> of course we understand the level of responsibility that is ours. the way we see things is that my father is super healthy and going to work 10, 15, 20, 25 years. his five children are now working together in different parts of the group, but we're very close. >> reporter: an empire carefully built and ultimately soon up for
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grabs, but so far without the founding drama. >> now erin, this succession story isn't over. since 1974, bernard arnault changed the statutes of the company. he was due to retire next year. he has now gifnl himself until 2029. some time we'll find out who will take over from him. but if things continue as they have, it does appear he may have achieved the extraordinary task of raising and grooming these five children for succession when only one is likely to take over in the end with none of the animosity that you might expect, erin. >> all right, melissa, thank you. of course, we shall see. coming up on "ac 360," by the way, cnn is going to go inside the movement founded by mothers who want more say on what their children are taught. are their concerns justified? that full report up at 8:00. meantime, next, the supreme court with a landmark ruling against the late artist andy warhol.
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so andy warhol's iconic images may be works of art, but at least one famous work of art also violated copyright law. of course that's the ruling from the supreme court. the justices siding with a prominent photographer, whose image was used to create warhol's silk screens of prints. now warhol's estate had argued the silk screen images were fundamentally different. they were based on but fundamentally different. they were art. they therefore did not violate copyright laws. seven of the justices rejected that reasoning. interesting alliance here, though. one of the court's most liberal justices, elena kagan was joined by the chief justice jean-roberts in dissent. they argue the decision will, quote, stifle creativity of every sort. it will impede new art and music and literature. it will thwart the expression of new ideas and the attainment of new knowledge. it will make our world poorer. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" start news. good evening. gh