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my cholesterol is borderline. so i take garlique to help maintain healthy cholesterol safely and naturally. and it's odor free. i'm taking charge of my cholesterol with garlique. >> good evening. tonight, a clear sign yet that florida governor ron desantis will challenge don trump for
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the republican nomination. it comes on a day the company he has targeted, disney, decided to hit him with a billion dollar blow. we will have more on what disney just naturally. but on desantis's run sources of telling cnn he will file paperwork next week. medical today were donors and supporters. a new york times report or listened in. i'm going to read you a quote from that new york times story. it begins with something ron desantis said on the call. quote, you have basically three people at this point that are credible in this whole thing, mr. desantis told donors on the call, organized by the super pac supporting him, never back down. quote, biden, trump and me. and i think of those three, to have a chance to get elected president. biden and me. now, according to the times he went on to say that he's basing that on swing state data which he described as not great for the former president, quote, and probably insurmountable, because people are not going to change their view with him, which is interesting because it would be hard to describe ron desantis's recently says quoting the same swing state voters. instead he appears to be trying to outflank the former president on the right.
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certainly on the issue of abortion. criticizing the former president for not saying during last week's cnn town hall whether he would support florida's restrictive new abortion law. >> i signed a bill. i was proud to do it. he will not answer whether he would sign it or not. >> governor desantis has also championed skepticism of the covid vaccine which the former president supports, move to restrict what teachers can say in schools about sexuality, and repeatedly spoke about out about so-called wokeness. >> we will never surrender to the woke mob. florida is where woke goes to die. >> governor desantis has targeted the business disney corporation after the -- pose the don't say gay bill. tonight is the unanswered scrapping plans for a billion dollar orlando area office complex, expected to add 2000 jobs. randi kaye joins us now with the latest on that. so, what more do we know about this decision by disney? >> well, anderson, you mentioned that disney is now backing away from this billion
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dollar lawsuit investment here in the state of florida. that's a big blow to the state. this complex was going to be built in lake nona, which is about 20 miles outside the area where walt disney is in the orlando area. they were going to bring those 2000 employees, transferring them from california to florida. and according to the new york times, the average salary for those employees -- each employee -- is going to be about $120,000. so, the company today said, we are no longer doing that. they cited changing business conditions. but, of course, anderson, backdrop to all of this is governor desantis tightening oversight of disney's theme park in the surrounding area. this is after disney issued that statement really slamming a signature piece of legislation that the governor had been touting. and disney has accused desantis of being anti business. and disney is now, they, say rethinking this whole plan of theirs to actually investigate invest, anderson, another 17 billion dollars in the state of florida, possibly bringing as many as 13,000 jobs. all of that, anderson, now, a still in play but possibly not
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going to happen. >> and this battle between governor disney and the governor, it's been going on for more than a year. talk about just the origins of it if you can. >> yeah, anderson. it started in january of 2022. that is wednesday lawmakers introduced what was called the parental rights and education bill. critics called it the don't say gay bill. it basically banned teachers from teaching gender identity and sexual orientation through the third grade. so, disney came out and issued a statement under the former leadership, saying -- basically slamming this bill, saying it ever should have been sided to law by the governor and then the incoming ceo, bob iger, certainly did not back down either. meanwhile, state lawmakers then voted to replace the special taxing district, which basically has allowed his need to govern itself for the last few decades. this state put in place a new board to run that district. this board was stacked with desantis appointees. and then disney cut to deal in the thick of night with that outgoing board before the new
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board could take over. of course, that was not going to make the governor happy. and then suddenly desantis started talking about building a prison x to waltzed is new world, maybe raising taxes in that area, and the disney filed a lawsuit against the governor, saying that disney was being punished for exercising its right to free speech. and then the desantis appointed board countersued disney and all of that, anderson, is still tied up in court. >> and has governor desantis responded to this latest move about this billion dollar business that is not going to be there? >> i reach out to his office today and i was in touch with his press secretary, jeremy red for. and he said that disney has announced the possibility of this project two years ago and it never really rent anywhere. but in his official statement to be he said given the company's financial straits, falling market cap and declining stock price, it isn't surprising, he said, that they would restructure their business operations and canceled what he called unsuccessful ventures. but anderson, of course, donald trump seizing on this, trying
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to capitalize on all this in an email blast, saying that desantis is being absolutely destroyed by disney. also warning that disney's next move could be not investing any more money at all in the state of florida, and possibly a slow withdrawal from the state of florida, donald trump calling this all seems so unnecessary and referring to it, anderson, as a political stunt. >> randi kaye, appreciate it. more now on the broader politics of all this, joining us now is alyssa farah griffin, who served as communications strategist for the trump administration, and democratic strategist james carville. -- >> i think desantis was than to get outmaneuvered by disney. a finer point on what randy reported, the average salary of the steel, $120,000 -- the median salary in the state of florida is 60,000. these are high paying jobs no longer coming to the state. listen, what propelled ron desantis to victory in the midterm night and being seen as
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the consummate front-runner, if not donald trump, in the republican party was the fact that he was governor the great state of florida, the free state of florida. it's kind of the republican mecca. the jobs environment was. good the economy was good. he is -- it's a good tax environment. he is kind of countering the best things about him by taking on the second biggest employer in the state. and you have to wonder who is advising him. because, even though so, i don't know that the average voter in new hampshire, or south carolina sees disney as a bad brand -- it's the brand of mickey mouse, it's the brand of walter disney -- it seems like he almost doubled down on it because he got himself in too deep. and i think this is going to get worse before it gets better. >> james, you've been out spoken in the past about how democrats are -- do you think that desantis will successfully leveraged the so-called culture wars or is the disney drama, do you think, back firing on him? >> no. he says florida is where the woke go to die. no, it's where teachers go to jail. they're trying to arrest some third or fourth grade teacher in pensacola for showing a disney movie. and he just keeps pulling one
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stunt after another. and they keep blowing up on him. my favorite story is -- i read all of the stories about his staff telling him to act human. the first time i have ever heard -- politics -- telling a candidate to act human. for desantis to act human it's about as good a chance to tell me to access his decade. it i cannot do it. >> you can pull yourself every now and then together, james. >> acumen, act human. >> alyssa farah griffin, you heard the report that desantis is making the eligibility agreement, argument to donors saying that it's only -- only handle that biden connection -- actually win in 2024, especially, he's talking about swing states. some of the law he has signed are clearly trying to go to the right of trump. >> well, and therein lies the big problem. and i think what has hurt desantis and why he has precipitously dropped in the primary polls is not his best argument was electability. now there are polls that show that that is not necessarily, true that trump actually
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outperformed biden nearly strongly as desantis does in general. but first we have to win a primary. then you have to win a general. and i have said this to desantis's team. i've said it many times. he is making a circle of potential voters smaller and smaller by going as far into the culture wars as he is. the biggest blow to voting bloc in 2024 is going to be gen z voters, followed by millennials. we have the generation of marriage equality. even republicans -- 67% of republicans -- do not support the attacks on the transgender community, yet he is making at such a big part of his political identity. if you are going to win swing voters that run away from donald trump in 2020, if you want to get them back into the fold, to independents and to moderates, he's got to stop martin writing. and i just don't know that he has that in his wheelhouse. i would just say this real quick -- this is a man who does not sit down with major immediate. he does things like the so-called ain't don't say gay bill but then it does not go and defended with audience that they're not friendly to him. that is a muscle that you have to be able to flex as a national candidate. >> jim, when i spoke to new hampshire governor christie knew last week he said that
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it's time for -- trying to bait him on policy. he said it's got to be on his character and the, quote, false that he brings to the table. do you see any evidence that desantis or anyone else actually has -- who is currently running for may -- has the appetite to do that? >> well, he is going to have to. because, right now, among republicans, he is slipping. and the idea that vote for me because of a poll in colorado taken in may of 2023 is going to determine the nomination, i think, is crazy. and he is gone all in all in iowa, which is a republican caucus that is quite conservative. you remember ted cruz when the iowa caucuses in 2016. it did him a lot of good. and i just think running hard antiabortion and hard to cut social security and medicare is not going to cut it. he has got some bad positions, in addition to his famous lack of personality. say what you want about trump, but he is a compelling character to republicans. i find him repulsive or
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repugnant. but to those people in that cnn new hampshire town hall, he's pretty popular guy. and a lot of that is based on style and personality and having some sort of human skills. i don't see that in desantis yet. and don't count people out. people counted us out in 92. we were -- a confederate soldier i guess -- triggered -- i'm not counting anybody out. but desantis -- to me, has been singularly unimpressive. >> james, as someone who is probably looked at pulling all your life, when you look at the polling showing trump leading desantis by 30 points, does that mean anything to you? at this stage? >> yeah, a little bit. i would not take a poll right now, and certainly primary polls are new to perilously notoriously -- and notoriously hard to do. but what they do show is that trump's position over desantis has improved over the last couple or three months. i think that's pretty clear.
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and i think desantis's lack of political skill or personality has been pretty much -- the public is starting to see it. now, he can turn it around. but he seems to be painting himself in a pretty stringent box. and this is a corporation -- it's got great lawyers and great pr people. but it looks like mickey mouse and goofy is beating him every day. and that's not the image that you want to project, when you are running an election, particularly a republican elector that loves candidates to -- but that's event bad visual, i think. >> it did seem like desantis was kind of riding high when people did not really know much about him or have seen much about him. and the more they see the less they seem to like. >> that is what it feels like. and it is early. i think his great political talent is driving national media coverage. and it was largely because he does a lot of political stunts. whether it's sending migrants to martha's vineyard or different, new challenges with his knee. but once they start seeing a little more, his numbers have
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precipitously gone down. and i would just note, a republican who won iowa has not gone on to win the presidency since, i believe, george bush, in 2000. so, and i will focus tragedies not what he needs. he needs to think about a long longer. game >> alyssa farah griffin and james carville, good to see. you up next, how the fbi -- executed cleanses over the -- became witnesses in the hearings, and congressman jim jordan since hearings were aimed at exposing what he calls the weaponization of the federal government. he joined a democrat who took part in the hearing today and it got pretty contentious. also, tonight, a stunning assessment of the mar-a-lago documents case from an attorney with deep experience or national security cases, and how quickly he thinks charges against former president could be coming.
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this is lexus, electrified. >> hearing today republican congressman jim jordan's weaponization of government probe turned openly contentious. the flash point? whether three self-described fbi whistleblowers are in fact whistleblowers. and why some of what they previously told republicans on the same committees being hidden from the democratic members of that subcommittee. new york democrat dan goldman spoke about that with chairman jim jordan. here -- with one of the witnesses. >> our concern is that you all have met with the committee majority, perhaps several times you have provided information, documents, testimony. and we are in the dark. and that is not how congress works. that is not how committees work. >> congressman jordan was
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calling to witnesses whistleblowers. democrats are saying that they aren't. cnn's jessica dean joins us now with more. it was pretty fiery hearing today -- a lot of questions were raised by the credibility of the witnesses. -- on? >> anderson, that was so much of what was discussed in this hearing today, and we heard from congressman goldman there, the democrats very concerned that they were not able to hear the testimony that the so-called whistleblower's had provided to the gop members of the committee. so, zooming out for just a second, this is just the latest escalation in congressman jim jordan's weaponization committee. and he is trying to make the case that the fbi, doj, is weaponized against conservatives. so, he wanted to bring in what he considers whistleblowers to talk about this. what was interesting is that we also heard from the fbi that three people have had their security clearances revoked, for either attending the january 6th riots here at the capital, or espousing alternate theories about what happened there. and two of those witnesses today were two of those people that have had their security
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clearances revoked. and so you can understand why democrats had a lot of questions about what kind of facts and what kind of information they were given to the committee. >> so what more do we know about these witnesses? particularly the current standing in the fbi? >> right. let's start first with marcus allen, one of them in the testified today. he had his security clearance revoked on may 3rd. and we are told that he sent out an email that said to exercise extreme caution when investigating january 6th and interviewing people about january 6th, that he had -- he had said that he had went to an open source and did not find any evidence of any wrongdoing on january 6th. but then again, another fbi agent found that that person, that source, did attack capitol police officers. so that is one person. the second is a man named the friend, a former agent named steve friend, who had his security clearance or vote on tuesday. we are told at the fbi -- he went into fbi space and
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downloaded information with an unauthorized flash drive, and he did unauthorized interviews, including with a russian government agency, among other things, anderson. so, again, there's just a lot of questions about the information that these men were bringing to the committee. >> jessica dean, appreciated. before bringing in our next guest, democratic ranking member of the committee, stacey plaskett, delegate for the u.s. virgin islands. -- debra debbie wasserman schultz had with chairmen german. >> mister chairman, these individuals have not done -- determined to be whistleblowers. these are not whistleblowers. they have been determined by the agency not to be whistleblowers. are you deciding that they are whistleblowers? >> yes, the law decides. did you not listen to mr. levitz testimony? did you not read the law? the law decides that -- >> attorney is asserting that they are -- >> the gentlelady from new york has been recognized. >> the law has not determine they are recognized. his the attorney is just asserting that. >> and congresswoman plaskett joins us now. thanks for being with us.
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what exactly was going on, from your point of view, in that hearing room today? >> well, you know, this is a very interesting select committee that has been put together by kevin mccarthy. and its primary purpose, anderson, is really to test case conspiracy theories that the republicans have. and specifically, the donald trump may use in his presidential election. so, we have done the twitter files investigation. we are looking at fbi supposed whistleblower's. that is the sum total of what is happening here. this is a really concerted effort to undermine americans confidence in the rule of law, in the department of justice, in the fbi. >> can you just explain why you are saying that those witnesses are not actually whistleblowers? and why you think congressman jordan is not giving you and democrats on the committee all the information you requested. because when dan goldman brought it up, jordan you know, i looked at the trans
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transcript, jordan said, yeah, we've essentially chosen not to give it to you. >> right. well, the rules no longer apply. and specifically my republican colleagues don't think the rules apply when the rules don't help them. that's also what they have done with the fbi in other instances. they are not interested in working and finding out cases and issues that the fbi may have, and how it may have misused its power. they are only interested when the fbi is going after or has pushed down individuals individuals who espouse theories that they want to put forward, like a stolen election, like january 6th not having been an insurrection. so, the issue we have with the witnesses that they brought forward today is that jim jordan and his other members of his party, particularly on that committee, would like us to believe that these individuals are whistleblowers. whistleblowers are individuals who will be protected by the
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government because they are disclosing allegations of misconduct. the individuals that we saw today have not alleged any misconduct by the fbi. with a have alleges that the fbi asked them to do their job, and did not believe that january 6th was a regular day. the fbi believed that the january 6th contained domestic terrorists and made these individuals acts as federal law enforcement officers to go after and to investigate those individuals. and that is exactly what they did not want to do. friend did not want to be involved in the arrest of an individual who they have known has been armed. we saw pictures of him in january 6th with assault weapons, canisters of tear gas, wearing protective mask himself, other individuals -- as you heard from the reporter -- were downloading in disseminating to other fbi agents information that they
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knew were fallacious, and not true. was told by the supervisor not to do it and continue to do it -- and the third person reported his supervisor when that is against the law for him to do that, and downloaded information and put it out there into the public. so, these are not, as we would consider them, whistleblowers. people who were alleging wrongdoing. these are individuals who have a gripe with fbi. rightfully had their security clearances were revoked because they were sympathizers of january 6th and other theories, and so now they are crying grievance because of that. >> congresswoman stacey plaskett, i really appreciate it today. thank you. coming up, the former presidents legal troubles last night. we brought you a cnn exclusive reporting about communications from the national archives, and they may soon be in the hands of the special counsel that potentially undercuts claims about declassifying documents found at mar-a-lago. we'll talk to --
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undercuts his repeated claim that he was allowed to remove classified documents, and later declassified them. according to the sources, national archives is prepared to hand over communications to the special counsel, jack smith, involving top advisers to the former president. some were directed to him personally. according to a letter from the national archivist to the former president, making him aware of this, these communications concern quote, whether, why and how he should we classify certain classified records, unquote. they may provide critical evidence about the former presidents awareness, and how the classification process worked. i'm joined now by mark zaid, and attorney with extensive background in national security cases, mark, thanks for being with us. >> thanks, anderson. >> -- against the former president. and when would you expect that decision for the special counsel? >> realistically, every bit of new evidence that we have learned over the last year, has only mounted against the former
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president, and perhaps others, that were in close proximity to him as well as who was at mar-a-lago, to include possibly his lawyers. now, i would've thought quite frankly, they were going to have moved ahead they would have done so by now. i think the biden pence situations of having is handled classified information may have delayed some aspects. there may be some rethinking on how to phrase possible claims against the former president. and others, but the obstruction claims, those exist regardless. and also say, remember, we always talk about classified information. because that's what people understand. we are not talking about that really, we are talking about national defense information. which usually is classified. per the espionage act, a statute, but it does not have to necessarily be. >> but you think this could take place in -- i mean, i heard you say, weeks and not months. is that accurate? >> i think, based on what we know publicly, and i have no inside information into the justice department, or the
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special counsel, that they have more than enough to proceed as a matter of law. whether or not from a policy perspective, there is something holding them up, i do not know. but, by all means there is more than enough information to bring some charges in a matter of weeks, if not months. now, what could weeks be? eight weeks, 12 weeks, it's still three or four months away. but soon arrive that later. >> last week, in a town hall the president said by the way, they became automatically declassified when i took them. unquote. he has made that claim about a standing order, about declassified documents before. certainly, there's not been much corroboration of that for members of his own administration, kash patel said something about it but he went before grandeur in has not said anything since. do you think -- i mean, you keep saying that. is there any truth to it whatsoever? >> no. there is no such thing as i take it with me, it automatically becomes declassified. and in fact, even though there
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could have been a standing order, a president can most likely constitutionally for billy declassify information. that is of course not how the process typically works. but this was the trump administration, there is no such thing as typical. but i represented three cabinet officers, two secretaries of defense, and a national security adviser. there is no one other than as you said, kash patel, who went before the grand jury, and has never said a word since about what he said the shows any evidence of any type of standing order. so, the president, the former president, is in a lot of legal trouble. that town hall i'm sure made his lawyers shake their head and cover their eyes. because of what he said. because what he said was very incriminating as a matter of law. >> and you've been critical of some of the former presidents attorneys in the past. at this point, is there a different legal strategy that you would recommend that the former president adopt?
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or is it too late for any of that? >> he certainly could plead if he wanted. look, strategy, generally, and lawsuits -- and i have a current lawsuit against him now arising out of january 6th, to be honest -- has always been to just delay, delay, delay. we are clearly talking,, if he is facing charges, going will pass the 2024 election. i don't know if this is going to the a eugene debs, for those who are historians out there, they can google him and read about it. but the strategy generally for his lawyers has been to do things that make him look upon you with favoretta then come up with the legal strategy that is actually viable. >> mark zaid, i really appreciate you coming on. >> any time. >> -- behind all the book banning. there's an activist group that calls themselves moms for liberty. -- attempt to ban books --
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>> governor ron desantis is likely entry into the republican race for the presidency next week brings a renewed spotlight on what his opponents say, call don't say gay law. it initially banned teachers from -- but expanded last month through high school. opponents call it dangerous and
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vague. it's led to book bans that of including authors such as toni morrison, margaret atwood, and judy blume. it's part of an overall conservative push on education across the country. >> the state of florida, we are proud to stand for education, not indoctrination. in our schools. >> the left wing, rioting and mayhem, are the direct result of decades of left-wing indoctrination in our schools. >> democrats believe that parents shouldn't have a say in a kids education. >> parents want schools focused on reading, writing and math, not woke politics. >> the left is trying to hijack women's sports. and our schools are on the verge of becoming breeding grounds for liberal and progressive ideas. >> desantis's law, also led to his ongoing fight with disney, and one of the people he appointed to a boy that was supposed to provide more
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oversight of the disney was a cofounder of a group called moms for liberty. which advocated for these classroom fights, in school districts across america. elie reeve has more. >> -- such as gender identity, we are asking them to carry a load that is much too heavy for them. and i suggest instead of a knoll sex, perhaps we could go back to teaching cursive. >> this book is not appropriate -- in schools. >> moms for liberty is apparent activist group. it began in florida in 2021 to protest public schools been closed for covid, and mask mandates. the group became a frequent and pricey spicy presence at school board meetings. >> this is about more than masks, for the record. >> but now they're more than 250 moms for liberty chapters nationwide, the group says. and it's gained major conservative allies and morphed into something else, a campaign against a positive doctor nation on >> -- i have the right to say, i have don't want my kids to learn this.
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i don't agree with this movement. and that's my right. >> so, book should fall into -- >> you want to understand what is driving this moms on a deeper level than some viral videos. so, we met with the moms for liberty chapter in el paso county, colorado. conservatives won majorities on three school boards in 2021. leader -- where they talk about how to pressure those words into making the policies they want. what school districts are most of you guys in? what moms for liberty has become most famous for is claiming that school libraries contain books with pornographic content and for trying to get some books removed. some of those books listed to talk about sex. but according to the supreme court's definition of obscenity, they are not foreign. >> i've heard a lot of criticism of your group. people say that this is kind of like a moral panic, that people have an irrational fear of what is going on. >> we are not looking to ban books. we are not looking to burn books. we just need to get back to a
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system where parents know what their kids are learning in for the most part it's educational in that political. >> one of the books on your list it is kurt vonnegut's slaughterhouse five. it's considered one of the classics of modern literature. >> right, i read that in high school. >> would you want that removed -- >> no, again, age-appropriate. that might not be appropriate for a six year old is appropriate for a 15 year old. >> be someone assigning a first grader slaughterhouse five? >> no, but again, it's the right of the parents know that it is there, that the children have access to something that they may not have access to at home. >> one of the big issues right now is pronouns. in march, colorado district 11 school board considered a proposal to prevent teachers from asking kids their pronouns, sparking protests. >> he just kind along or ask kids their pronouns. that is right. that's right, no more room in kids with pronouns in the 11. >> the school board has tabled a proposal.
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>> why is asking a child their pronouns indoctrination? >> if you ask my children who are seven and eight, what are your pronouns, they don't even know what that is. so, when you ask that, you are planting the seed in their minds that they maybe should identify as another gender, or that identifying as another genders hip or cool. hey, my teacher is asking me. so, maybe this is what i should do. >> i certainly never felt that way about my teachers. i did not learn i was heterosexual from my health teachers -- who is watching 90s movies with brad pitt in it. >> yeah. and i think that's how most of us are. >> we wanted to hear what some of the more liberal parents had to say. some of them said in a meeting, and one past me this note calling it a hate group. the next day, we met with those parents. for the record, have any of your kids a moment that, i'm feeling peer pressure to be gay or trans? >> no.
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>> no. >> nobilo lopez is a speech pathologist and works in a district 11 school. >> we are not going around saying, okay, i want you to think about. it watch and where you? that's not happening. >> -- >> it's not! >> my personal beliefs, my personal viewpoint on the world, does not come into the classroom. we are professionals with degrees in pedagogy. >> she's also the mom of a transgender student. >> so -- i'm sorry. can you ask me again because i'm getting peeve off. >> do you want to talk about that first? why does it make emotional to talk about the stuff? >> i get emotional when other people who don't have children, who are transgender or queer, place an assumption on it, for the sake of persecution, based on their own belief. >> when you are putting all
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this curriculum everywhere, and you are telling kids, hey, you can come talk to me behind your parents back. i got your back. i mean, there is a clear move to bring more that into our schools. and it just the schools place. >> so, when i feel like you are strongly implying, and i would like to get your take on, because i don't want to attribute something that you don't think, but to me it sounds like you're saying, some kind of high-level coordinated effort to make more children trans and gay. >> -- >> who is directing that? >> teachers unions and our president and a lot of funding sources. teachers unions are also heavily backing the curriculum, that we are bringing into schools. >> why would they want more kids to be gay? and trans. >> because it breaks down the family unit, which breaks down traditional conservative values, it breaks down a lot of things in this country. it changes the way that people think, it changes the way people handle politics. >> of course there is no evidence of a coordinated plot
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to make kids trans. >> when i hear those thoughts about some sort of concerted effort, to make people gay, does it sound like a conspiracy theory to you? >> it's not a conspiracy theory, that the state -- whether you are talking about colorado, with the federal government is taking a stronger and stronger and in public education, and raising our kids. so, do i think that for some reason people want everyone to be gay? that's a mischaracterization of what i think. i think that people will use -- you know, the people that want to erode away at parental rights, the -- teachers unions, they will use lgbtq or whatever may be the case at the time. those are just tools to erode away at parental rights. >> the last deal levin meeting of the school year is mostly about student awards and performances. the board seem to anticipate the few moms for liberty
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members in the crowd. >> -- rogue will clubs, teachers, woke teachers, and counselors -- for d11 is a must. >> a couple of students pushed back. >> if you remove teachers ability to ask for finance will move the ability for states safe spaces exist, taking with the safety of your students. >> i want to recognize that students and the support staff that are supporting our students out there. >> my child thinks that it's ludicrous that it's such a big deal, because to them, it's just normal. to their friends, they don't care how my child identifies. they love them for here. >> and elle reeve joins me now. is it clear to you which side of this debate has the most support or momentum in that school district, for instance? >> to be clear, -- kids has never gone to public school. >> the kids don't go to public school? >> no, they have never been. -- she hopes, maybe, by high
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school, the schools will be good enough for a kids. the other parents we talked to, the liberal parents whose kids to go to that school, they thought the majority opinion. for example, one parent complained about five books. and that meant that the district had to curry committees to determine whether those books were obscene or they could stay. in the end, all five stayed. but one pantry served on that committee said it was just a huge waste of time and resources. >> elle reeve, thank you. really fascinating report. up next, the suspect of stabbing a -- bob lee on the streets of san francisco faces a judge for his arraignment. and there's a new report on how the new to my new each other. investigators say this was not a random killing. the latest coming up. get decision tech from fidelity. [ cellphone vibrates ] you'll get proactive alerts for market events before they happen... and insights on every buy and sell decision. with zero-commission online u.s. stock and etf trades.
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argued who is a flight risk and a danger to the community. according to the coroner, he was stabbed multiple times. prosecutor said that many left to quote, slowly die on the trees and that surveillance video would be crucial to the case. it is also a new report on how the suspect and victim knew one another. cnn's veronica miracle has the latest. >> we believe that this was an intentional killing. >> prosecutors believe that on the night cash app finder bob lee was murdered, he in a suspect were at his sister's apartment. -- as leads dna all over the blade, and the suspect's dna all over the handle. >> the brand of the knife used in this killing is associated with a set of cutlery that was in the suspect's apartment. >> before the violent contribution confrontation. lee and momeni which other for years. -- told the wall street journal he was in a relationship with momeni's system at one point, and about three years ago, mr. lee was together with a woman
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that mr. bob lee momeni also dated -- they described lee as a kind and generous friend who loved adventure and was part of an underground silicon valley scene known as the lifestyle, where people use drugs and there's a lot of casual se wall street journal, ms. momeni's lawyer said there are many rumors circulating around this case, many of them untrue. motive or explanation for why this has happened is still unclear. both sides say they will not reveal more until trial, but mr. momeni's attorney argues there's more the story then he -- reveals. >> my defense is, it's an accident, with a cross between self-defense and accident. there was no premeditation deliberation. >> surveillance videos of the stabbing are critical part of this case. in court filings, attorney paula canny argue those cameras
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don't capture audio, and the video of the stabbing is also blurry. she also says police only interviewed two witnesses after the murder, and never spoke to momeni before his arrest. >> part of the reason we are here today is because the police did not go and speak to nima momeni that night, who would have easily given him the explanation of what happened and why it happened. >> district attorney burke jenkins could not confirm if the police ever approached momeni before his arrest but said there is no question that momeni murdered bob lee. >> veronica miracle joins me now from san francisco. or family members of mr. lee or the accused killer in court? >> nima momeni's sister and mother when the courtroom. her -- mother actually held hands in the shape of a heart showing support for her son as he entered the courtroom. and i'm bob leaside to about 20 family and friends. and during the more difficult times in the hearing, talking
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only three real contenders in the presidential race. himself, joe biden and, trump. he says that only two candidates have a chance at winning the presidency, and it donald trump isn't one of them. trump is, of course, a front runner so far, despite his election lies and mountain of legal troubles, one of which ended with a jury finding him liable for sexual abuse. desantis is a driving home his record of turning culture war issues into laws. the good news, nikki haley and senator tim scott, calling for a return to what they call true conservatism, without directly attacking donald trump. former vice president mike pence, who worked in the trump presidency, but also became a target of it, says that he as well wants to return back to the party's original roots.
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