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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com tonight the former british boris johnson and his wife, carrie, are expecting a child, the third for the couple, and the eighth for boris johnson that we know of. for years johnson refused to acknowledge how many children he had. it was like an issue that vexed -- the controversy seemed to finally die down during an interview on u.s. television. >> since you became prime minister, you became a father again. you have a new baby. you're expecting another baby. >> i know, i know. >> you have six kids. >> yes. >> okay. well, there it was. the tally now will include three children with carrie, four children with his ex-wife, one from an extramarital affair. so, congratulations to boris johnson, plus soon to be eight. anderson starts now. good evening, we begin
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tonight with new developments on two key countries for this country and the free world, how to avoid default in debt and how to ensure that russia's invasion of ukraine is rolled back. president biden at the g7 summit is grappling with both. on ukraine, a milestone, with president zelenskyy due to travel from ukraine to japan this weekend. president biden gave his okay for a joint allied effort to train ukrainian pilots on f-16 fighters and other advanced aircraft. and on the debt ceiling, it looks like talks, which the president was being updated on remotely, are back on again. they resumed tonight just hours of kevin mccarthy's republican negotiators called a halt to them earlier today. we have correspondents spanning the globe tonight. phil mattingly traveling with the president in japan. what is the latest you're hearing from white house officials about debt ceiling negotiations? >> reporter: you know, anderson, as you point out, there was a pause, house republican
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negotiators walking out of the room saying there simply had been no progress, particularly on the scale of the spending cuts the white house is willing to consider. and basically putting a halt to everything. it had been days of hours on end of meetings between the president's top negotiators and kevin mccarthy's negotiating team. however, they are now back on. just about ten minutes ago, anderson, the 90-minute rejuvenation, i guess, of the talks that were underway in the capitol came to a close. it was a candid conversation. there's still a very long way to go. but they are talking again. i think when you talk to officials who have been around this process and briefed on this process, they acknowledge that breakdowns in high stakes negotiations like this aren't a rarity and aren't necessarily a bad thing so long as they come together and lay the groundwork. the major issue right now, beyond the ability to get this across the finish line s the
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calendar. they don't have time to go through the rhythm of a negotiating process. we're talking about 10, 11 days before potential default. >> in terms of zelenskyy's intention to travel to the g7 in japan, is there a sense of what the stakes are for his visit? >> it's interesting, anderson, ukrainian officials who confirmed the ukrainian president was coming here started to be a little bit cagier about his presence. at this moment, he's still scheduled to be on the ground here. the reason is not just for pure sim symbolism. the g7 leaders have been the cornerstone of the western alliance that has been steadfast on the support for assistance and economic aid over the course of the last 15 months. but it's also to make clear that this war, this russian invasion going on a year and a half, is at a clear inflection point. we're at the precipice of ukrainian military launching a counteroffensive. zelenskyy and his top advisers are very cognizant of the fact
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that the durability of the coalition that has continued to support them is always a little bit in flux given the domestic issues, particularly on the economy, that they face. showing up in a place like the g7 in the wake of a week-long tour of european capitals, showing up at the arab league summit in saudi arabia earlier today, it's critical to make the point, make the case, and also make the ask. ukrainian officials, just as their u.s. counterparts acknowledge know, this isn't ending any time soon. and the significance of more funding, more defense capabilities, more economic aid is critical for what comes next, anderson. >> i want to bring in jill dougherty, adjunct professor of georgia university school of foreign service. if the u.s. approves the shipment of f-16s from european allies to ukraine, what do you think this means? >> well, i think it's very serious move. it may not change things immediately because they will
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not be delivered for quite a while. but i think it could give them a defense that they haven't had, to be able to go after the russians and defend. you know, the air war is the strongest part of the russian operation. they're not doing well on the ground. so, i think having the f-16s could be a great help for them. >> president biden has been clear for months he didn't view f-16s as a necessity or a solution. again, these are coming from european allies. but what's changed? >> i think -- >> sorry, that was for -- >> sorry. >> i would just say, anderson, while it appears to be a dramatic shift and is a dramatic shift in isolation, it's analogous to what you've seen the administration do throughout the last 15 months. they are reticent, they are wary, they don't believe it will have the effect. and then eventually often driven by ukrainian pleas. allies who want to make that move, they end up moving
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forward, whether it's patriot missile systems or tanks, they've been willing to evolve. i think it underscores what i hear from national security officials inside the administration quite often is kind of the president's theory of the case in terms of the coalition. if the coalition is moving towards a specific direction, even if the u.s. military advisers say they don't believe it's the best battlefield weapons system or they're concerned about escalatory effects, the president is likely to move in that direction as well. that appears to be what has happened here. there's still skepticism about the battlefield effect, and it's clear the u.s. doesn't have plans to send f-16s from its stock. that's been the animating feature of president biden over the past few months. >> jill, as we await this expected ukrainian counteroffensive, which may be underway, we've seen squabbles break out even between groups fighting on the same side with russia, the ongoing war of wards with the wagner founder and the russian defense. is it clear to you whether the kremlin still sees a path to
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victory? >> i wonder about that because if you look at what's happening behind the scenes, i think there is an enormous amount of chaos. just look, the wagner group, you talked about that. they are now arresting scientists who have been developing weapons. it is massive repression on a really stalinist scale. i think what that says is that putin, yes, he's in charge. but there is a lot of ferment coming up from the bottom that you pick up here and there. it's a very repressive country right now. but i think behind the scenes, he has real trouble. >> phil mattingly, jill dougherty, appreciate it. thank you. more on ukraine from cnn's sam kylie. >> reporter: carried on a gun ship, escorted by another, russia's defense minister, we're told, is visiting russian troops in ukraine's zaporizhzhia province. these high rewards reflect high
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appreciation for your military work, sergei shoigu says, handing out medals. across the dnipro river, the director of the children's hospital isn't impressed by shoigu's performance. [ speaking non-english ] he says, they're not brave, hiding on that bank between houses. they shoot at us. what do you think when you see pictures of him like that? and then replies, i think that shoigu and putin are such cowards it's more likely, i'd say 90%, that they're hiding somewhere in crimea, at least very far from us. that would probably be wise, given that across the river from nick pole, russian troops have turned a nuclear power station into a frontline redoubt. that is the zaporizhzhia nuclear power station behind me. it's also now a fire base for russian forces. nearly every day, they're shelling this town from over there.
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it's going to be a major problem in any future ukrainian offensive because that is the biggest nuclear power station in the whole of europe. and it's a target. >> reporter: ukrainian officials say that they hope to bypass the nuclear plant during any offensive to avoid a nuclear catastrophe. in the mayor's office across the river, boarded windows and shrapnel scars tell of russian rocket attacks. avoiding disaster will depend on the russians. [ speaking non-english ] he says, i think it's important for them to hold the nuclear power station, and they will do everything to hold it as long as they can. first of all, it's the biggest nuclear facility in europe, and second, it's a very important base for the military and their artillery. russian military ambitions drove maria literally underground, where she's been sheltering in a hospital bunker. >> how have things been in this town with the threat coming from the power station across the
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river for a whole year? [ speaking non-english ] >> translator: not very good. i gave birth in a basement. it's fine. we survived somehow. >> and how have the children been affected by the war? >> translator: they're worried that something might happen to them. >> reporter: and those fears won't go, not until the russians are gone. >> sam kylie joins us now not far from the front lines. is there sense tonight of when the widely expected spring offensive from ukrainian forces may begin? >> that is a closely guarded secret here in ukraine. there is evidence, of course, one sees with one's own eyes, the movement of troops. we know that there are a number of combat brigades. many of them have been trained in nato countries, the united kingdom, and others. we know that there is a lot more equipment available now to the
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ukrainians, including air defenses but also offensive capabilities like the cruise missile. that may have been in action. we don't know exactly. but there were some mysterious explosions in mariupol, the russian occupied city that was the scene of such bitter fighting a year ago, anderson. i think the ukrainians want the russian troops to be thinking, this could happen to us any minute. >> sam kylie, appreciate it. now to a piece of video that was found by cnn on the instant messaging app, telegram, which is where people or groups can post video messages. now, the video is taken from the point of view of someone on the ground in bakhmut. this is it. there's gunfire heard, and you also hear a man yelling commands in a british accent in english. >> hey! over there. hey, hey. 11:00. 11:00. >> o, we've discovered there's more sots video than meets the eye. we first showed you the video on
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tuesday's broadcast. our team at cnn geolocated where the video is shot, and it is from the city of bakhmut. but that voice made us curious, the british accent in english. and we've continued to investigate it since then. today we confirm that the audio you just heard in that video is actually laid over the images deceptively. now, the audio you heard is actually taken from a different battle that occurred months earlier in a forest around bakhmut. and someone, we don't know who or why, married that audio to this video taken inside bakhmut and then put it on telegram. we want you to hear the original video containing the voice, which was posted five months ago on the war leaks military blog, which describes itself as an independent, educational, and documentary channel for military enthusiasts all around the world. [ sound of gunfire ] >> hey, they're over there. hey, over there. hey, hey, 11:00, 11:00.
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[ sound of gunfire ] >> now, again, we don't know who did that or why, but we wanted to make sure we told you about what we found. next, one of my favorite guests, historian and author, doris concerns goodwin. she's win about some of the most important moments in our country's history. she'll talk about the moment we're in now, the moment to ban books in libraries. she's a national treasure. dianne feinstein, how her declining health and apparent cognitive difficulties have exposed tensions among democrats about how to address or discuss her condition. stments) nope. we u use diversified strategies to position our clients' portfolios for their long-term goalals. (other money manager) but you still sell investments that generate high commissions for you, right? (fisher ininvestments) no, we don't sell commission products. wewe're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client's best interest.
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>> yep. >> well, who's directing that? >> teachers' unions and our president and a lot of funding sources. and teachers' unions are also heavily backing the curriculum that we're bringing into schools. >> why would they want more kids to be gay and trans? >> because it breaks down the conservative values. it breaks down a lot of things in this country. it changes the way that people think. it changes the way that people handle politics. >> history curriculums also are targeted in these fights. florida's passed legislation barring obstruction that suggests anyone is privileged or oppressed based on race or skin color. joined by doris kerns goodwin. that book is the basis of a new miniseries on president franklin delano roosevelt called "fdr" that premieres on memorial day on history channel. doris, it's great to have you back. what does it say to you that
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banning books that deal with difficult parts of american history or race and gender from libraries and classrooms is a flash point of the 2024 presidential campaign? >> i mean, it really feels like history is under siege right now. when you're deciding that classroom discussions cannot focus on race, on class conflict, on social justice, social inequality, i mean, i think the moments that i've written about in my long 50-year career. i've always chosen those moments when there's real turmoil because the nation is strengthened by coming out of difficult times. abraham lincoln, of course you're going to be talking about slavery and race. turn of the 20th century, you're going to be talking about the conflict between workers and caput lalists. with that be denied in classroom discussion ugss? the civil rights movement -- i've read some teachers now, there's such a chilling effect by these ambiguous laws that people don't know what's available and what shouldn't be. one teacher was afraid to even
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teach jim crow. another worried about reading martin luther king's "letters from a birmingham jail." i mean, what is going to happen if we don't allow history as it was. nothing, as i say, strengthens a nation more than willingness to confront its problems, its triumphs, its tragedies. and we come out stronger. if you erase that history, you don't allow it to be taught, what are we going to learn from? it's a crazy craze that's going on right now. >> there's the well known phrase about, you know, if you don't know your history, you're condemned to repeat it. you and your late husband, richard goodwin, both worked in lyndon johnson's white house. i mean, does it -- you know, talk a little bit about what the country was like then. does it feel in some ways that we are moving that much further back? >> you know, it's so interesting you asked that anderson, because i've just been working on the civil rights moments in the '60s when the civil rights act was
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passed to desegregate the south, when the great voting rights act was passed in 1965. my husband was lucky enough to work on the speech that lbj gave to the joint sessions of congress after the selma demonstrations when he talked about the we shall overcome banner. he and the power of the presidency joined together. that's when change takes place, when these outside movements they're now afraid -- some of these bans are on movement discussion -- took place. i was just thinking after president biden went to howard university this last week that president johnson gave a talk at howard yes, sirty way, way back in 1965 and he acknowledged the importance of racism in a certain sense because he took this incredible metaphor. you can't take a person to the beginning of a race hobbled by chains all these years and just say, you're free to compete. it was really the birth place of affirmative action. that discussion of the acknowledgment of racism would be denied according to these ambiguous laws.
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we learned at that moment that they were going to try to confront social and economic justice as the third part of the civil rights movement. desegregation, voting rights. thr intervened and we were never able to get that full. that's what a great society is about. you feel excited when you see us moving forward. and we have indeed moved backward. but we will get forward again. we're going to fight it. >> has the idea that book banning is going to be, you know, front and entcenter in th presidential campaign is kind of extraordinary. is there historical precedent for candidates, you know, championing -- you hear ron desantis talking about anti-woke measures in florida, culture wars, focusing on books and, you know, what critics have called the don't say gay bill. is there a historical precedent or analog for this type of candidacy? >> well, you know, surely we've had cultural wars. remember when pat bucannon was
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talking about some of them, you're usually not among the front candidates that are running. the sad thing is what you really want from your candidates, you want a vision of where we're going to go in the future. how are we going to confront the problems we're facing? how are we going to deal with the world out there? this war is ukraine that you've just been talking about is central importance to us right now. and to be focusing on something that is not where the majority of people are, something that is not moving us forward as a nation, is a really difficult thing. i mean, i think what we need to be looking at in these candidates -- what worries me always about the way we cover our candidates during campaigns is that we look at what they say. we make a deal of what the polls are. we need to understand what kind of leaders they are and the kind of leaders they're going to be in office are the kind of leaders they've been. we should be studying right now, what kind of a governor, what kind of representative in the house was desantis? what kind of teams did he create? was he willing to acknowledge errors? was he a humble person? does he have empathy? all the attitudes we know are
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important for leaders we should be checking off to see what kind of leaders these people have been and what they're going to be. and instead we get caught on these jags about what did they say today, what do we debate about? i wish we could cover campaigns in a different way. maybe we'll start right now. >> i would like that. i really appreciate you coming on. it's so lovely to talk to you. thank you. >> thank you so much for having me. i love talking with you. >> doris is also the executive producer of a new miniseries on president franklin delano roosevelt, premieres memorial day on the history channel. i look forward to that. please come back soon. >> shall do. >> all right. coming up, the questions surrounding the health of california senator dianne feinstein, not and about her ability to serve, but her decision to remain in office and about those around her. jessica dean has the story for us next.
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senator dianne feinstein's return to work this week has raised concerns about her health. she isn't speaking much to reporters, but the senator told cnn that contrary to her "new york times" report, she did not have encephalitis. she said she only had, quote, a bad flu. her spokesperson contradicted that saying, it was not the flu. it was encephalitis, also ramsey hunt syndrome. so, that was thursday. on tuesday, she appeared confused by questions from reporters about her recent medical absence. both "the l.a. times" and
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"slate" reporting -- just the past week since her return or referring to the past several months while she was recovering at home and not voting. there are questions about why at 89 she's choosing to remain a senator. jessica dean has more. >> i do wonder why the people who love her are not more aggressively trying to protect her legacy and protect her at this point in time. >> even those who know senator dianne feinstein well calling for an intervention after her return to the senate laid bare lingering health issues. one woman who's often at senator feinstein's side since her return, the eldest daughter of nancy pelosi. a source familiar with the situation tells cnn the pelosi's and feinstein share a close personal friendship and that prada and the california senator
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have developed their own friendship that stretches back 40 years. the source says she is not her caretaker, nor is she being paid. still, as is often the case in washington, political calculations loom over the situation. feinstein has said she will not run for re-election in 2024. former speaker pelosi has endorsed representative adam schiff in the primary. schiff has not joined calls for feinstein to retire before her term is up. >> i would like to give her a chance to recover from shingles. >> but some house democrats have call for feinstein to retire early. if that were to happen, gavin newsom would appoint a replacement. he's on the record making this commitment. >> will you nominate an african american woman to restore the seat that kamala harris is no longer in the united states senate, and do you have a name in mind? >> i have multiple names in mind. we have multiple names in mind, and the answer is yes.
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>> one such name would likely be represent i barbara lee, a black woman. an appointment could give her an advantage over schiff and others running for the senate in 2024. cochairman representative ro khanna and said it's time for feinstein to step down. >> i am hopeful that people who are close to her can talk to her and just say, look, end your service with dignity, step aside, let the governor appoint someone. >> reporter: a source tells cnn spoker pelosi has made it clear that feinstein's decision to remain in the senate is entirely her own. and that any insinuation that a political agenda would factor into it is ridiculous. a spokesperson for speaker pelosi told cnn speaker -- their friendship is personal, not political. anyone who knows senator feinstein knows that her service in the senate is entirely her own decision. and speaker e her tus pelosi
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would never suggest otherwise. >> capitol hill. perspective from david axelrod, former senior adviser to president obama. you called this a tragic and painful saga. who, in your view, is to blame for how sad this has become? >> obviously at the end of the day, senator feinstein holds the decision. so, she -- you know, she is responsible for her own predicament. but it's clear that she's not 100%. and in fact, anderson, this isn't a new story that "san francisco chronicle" did a piece more than a year ago raising questions about her capacities. this is an open secret on capitol hill. this has been discussed for a long time. but at this point, there are real questions about her ability to serve. >> how much do you think this is about what's best for senator feinstein, and how much of this is political? and some of what's best for, you know, other members of congress?
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>> yeah. look, i don't know. i think jessica did a good job of summarizing all of the memes around this in that piece. you have ro khanna, who's chairing barbara lee's campaign. she might be the beneficiary resignation. as was mentioned, the speaker has endorsed adam schiff. it would be in his interest if there were not an appointment, particularly of one of his competitors. you know, one of the people who could solve this is the governor, by saying, i'm not going to appoint anybody who's going to run in a general election. and i'm going to let the candidates who were running run. so, as to remove this cloud. but, you know, at the end of the day, i also think the nature of the senate is such that people are not going to push feinstein out. we have seen it. and speaker pelosi has pointed this out. we've had examples with strom thurman and bob bird and others.
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no one has -- there hasn't been this kind of an uproar about it. so, senators are mindful of that. i really don't think you're going to see senators push her. and, you know, ultimately, she's going to have to make that decision. >> yeah, what you're referring to is speaker pelosi was pointing out there's been male politicians from both parties -- >> yes. >> strom thurman, robert byrd, who are both very old, and there wasn't this level of -- >> i will say, anderson, i'm not sure that if that were the case today that that would be the same. i think we live in a different time. and i do think there's such an intense spotlight that it's hard to hide. they also were from smaller states. they came from a different era, when southeeniority was given e more birth than it is today. so, i don't know that the analogy completely holds up. i think the people of california
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should be concerned about this. but they don't really have a say. >> yeah. >> where do you think this is heading? right now it's may 2023. senator feinstein's term doesn't officially end until january of 2025. >> yeah. >> that seems hard to -- >> you know, she has had a distinguished career, and you don't wish her any ill. you just wonder how many of -- how many setbacks can she take? and whether at some point people, as claire mccaskill suggested, people who love her say, listen, your legacy is at risk here. this is not how you want to be remembered. and it's time to step aside. i'm mindful of the fact she lost her husband not so long ago. these are hard decisions, anderson. you know, that's why the average age of the senate is 65 years old. i mean, people, their identities are wrapped up in -- >> she also has worked relentlessly throughout her entire life. this has been, you know, a life
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of service. >> it's her life. yeah, absolutely. very difficult, very difficult. but she's clearly not functioning at the level that she has been. and, you know, that doesn't -- it's not a matter of age. it's just everyone is different. you look at senator grassley, for example. he's going to be 90 this year as well. but he's much more vigorous, and he's in much better shape than she is. so, this is a situation that really goes to her capacity to serve. and i mean, i personally would hope that people who care about her will prevail upon her to think about whether this is the way she wants to continue. and as to how it ends, anderson, it could end in very tragic ways, you know, that go to her health. >> david axelrod, i appreciate you being with us. thank you. a lot more coming up, including a cnn exclusive. remember last summer's airline meltdown, with thousands of
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nearly every commercial flight arriving and departing at florida's busiest airports. cnn found that last summer it was short staffed during more than 200 shifts. documents reveal over seven weeks the faa believes staffing problems delayed a total of 4,622 flights, nearly one in ten of all delays state-wide. >> it has just a domino effect throughout the industry. >> reporter: at tampa international airport, executive vice president of operations, john till koes, began monitoring the staffing problems, as passengers began getting stranded. in june, he wrote the faa, saying what's odd to me is that the only faa facility that seems to be having staffing issues is jacksonville center. >> what is the faa doing to address the issue so that we can get our operational dependability back on track? >> in one message, one senior faa official gave a blunt assessment to faa acting chief
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billy nolan. i don't believe we have any excuse other than a straight up shortage of certified controllers in multiple areas. >> in many ways, the faa is -- >> paul renal i did is the former president of the union that represents air traffic controllers. also revealed in the documents, a whistleblower complaint alleging overworked jacksonville controllers. the faa now tells cnn that it has changed leadership at the facility. >> it's a very demanding profession. they have to be 100% 100% of the time. >> the faa has vowed to hire 1,500 new controllers this year and 1,800 next year. but the agency is warning issues will not be fixed fast. the faa says delays at the area's three major airports could rise by 45% this summer. >> we own our part. the industry will own their part. it will take all of us working together. >> pete muntean joins us now from reagan national airport. what's the faa saying the in response to this? >> well, anderson, the faa underscores that it's really not
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air traffic control issues that drive delays but rather bad weather and traffic volume issue. the agency insists that it's taken extra steps to put in place extra staff at jacksonville center. and it says that conditions have improved since last summer. but the real question now is whether or not these fixes will work this summer. thursday stands to be one of the busiest air travel days of the memorial day air travel period, with 51,000 flights scheduled nationwide. anderson? >> pete muntean, appreciate it. next, with the first anniversary of the mass murders of robb elementary school approaching, shimon prokupecz joins us with new video he's uncovered, never before seen from inside the school as it unfolded. points need redeeming... work tririps need crushing... or anniversaries need... celebrating? no matter who you are, where you're going, or why.
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since a gunman walked into rob elementary school in uvalde, texas. -- for 77 minutes while 376 law enforcement personnel were outside waiting. for the past year, shimon prokupecz and his team have been digging for answers, trying to figure out what went wrong, trying to hold people accountable. through his reporting, he was given the entire investigative case file of hundreds of hours of footage and audio recordings. he went through all of it. and on "the whole story," he shows the families in uvalde some new video, which we're about to show you, that's never been seen before, including the audio from the 77th minute of the attack, when police finally breached the classroom and killed the gunman. the video is disturbing.
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[ sound of gunfire ] >> shots fired. >> go, go, go, go. >> shots fired, shots fired. >> kids, kids, kids. >> get the kids out. >> hands up, hands up, hands up. where's the suspect? >> he's -- >> kids. watch out. kids. watch out. emts first. emts first.
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>> what the -- >> nothing could prepare you for what they brought out. it was horrible. >> shimon prokupecz joins me now. we just saw the video of some of the video wretching after what happened. i know you have video that we haven't shown, and it's going to be in this. what else is there? >> the video is of the children. so, in that moment, as police are going forward and they finally get inside the classroom, there are kids that start to run out. and that is the video that we show the parents, of their kids, the survivors, coming out. >> kids who survived coming out. >> yeah, and they just come
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running and just this look on their face. one of them is shot. he runs out, and he's limping. at one point he falls on the ground. and then there's -- that was a.j. there's another little girl, chloe torrez, who called 911. she comes out, and she's just covered in blood. >> i remember her 911 call, that p incredible call. >> yeah. and she was covered in blood. and it's not her blood. she wasn't injured. but what she did was she laid her body in a pool of blood, blood that was coming from bodies around her. and she did that because she wanted the gunman to think she was dead. >> and how old is she? >> she was ten at the time as well. yeah. so, we have all that video. so, the families come to us when we're in uvalde filming this. they come to us, they call us, they say, we want to see the video of the breach. we want to see the video of our kids. >> this is one of those things that stuns me. authorities have not shown this video to these grieving families. >> nothing. they've not showed them any
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videos. they've not played -- a year later, anderson, we've played these 911 calls on your show. and these families have still not been able to get -- >> this is incredible. >> it's unbelievable. and every time they go to the d.a. and ask questions, they are base gliting stonewalled. they're not being given any information. and so now what's happening is they know we have all this information. so, all they want to know is, what did their kids go through? >> right. >> they want to know every detail of the traumatic experience that their kids went through, how they suffered, what kind of injuries they sustained. we show video of the kids. what happens is the police, after they get the kids out of the room, they put them all on a school bus. there were no ambulances. so, they have to put them on a school bus to take them to a hospital. >> there were no ambulances? >> there were no ambulances. >> there's 300-something law enforcement personnel out there -- >> there weren't enough ambulances, so they have to put them on a school bus to take them to the hospital. and all of the survivors are on
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this one school bus. and it's all recorded on body camera footage. so, you're seeing them on the school bus, crying, screaming for their parents. >> jesus. >> and the one girl, chloe, is just covered in blood. and she's telling the officer how she called 911, asking the officer, did i talk to you. and then we see another kid, a.j., who was shot. and you could see clearly where he's shot on his leg. and then most significant, there's kendall, who passes out several times on the bus. she's passing out. she's shot several times, loses significant amount of blood, somehow survives. luckily, the police went in when they did, because i don't know that she would have survived. >> farnts of surviving children who were in this, they told you they want this seen. >> they called us and they asked us. and we have that recording. we're on the phone with them and we show how the whole process unfolds and the difficulty that we had.
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you know, this was not something that was easy for us to do. we've never done anything like this. i was just really worried about their reaction and what would we do if there was some terrible reaction to what they were seeing. but they were adamant. they did it as a group, which i think helped them. so, we recorded that whole thing and we played it out. it's powerful. and the difference here, anderson, you know, sadly we've covered so many of these school shootings, and we do specials after, one year later. this is so different in the sense that we are really giving people a look inside of what happened in that classroom. >> it's just incredible to me that parents have not been given this look by authorities. we know thanks to your reporting, we know all the flaws in the investigations, all the investigations have taken place, all the flaws that occurred. it's extraordinary work. >> thank you for everything, anderson. >> be sure to watch shimon's report in an all new installment of "the whole story" 8:00 p.m. pacific on cnn. you can catch "what happened to
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