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- [announcer] do you have an invention idea but don't know what to do next? call invent help today. they can help you get started with your idea. call now 800-710-0020. good evening. we begin tonight with new developments on two key questions for this country and the free world. how to prevent a default on the national debt that could destroy global confidence in our economy, and how to ensure russia's ifivation of ukraine is rolled back. president biden at the g7 summit in hiroshima, japan, and grappling with both. on ukraine a milestone with president zelenskyy due to travel from ukraine to japan this weekend. president biden gave his okay for the joint effort to train ukrainian fighter pilots on f-16 fighters and other advanced
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aircraft. and on debt ceilings it looks like talks the president was updated on remotely are back on again. they resumed tonight hours after house speaker kevin mccarthy's negotiators called a halt to them earlier today. as only cnn can we have correspondents spanning the globe tonight. phil mattingly, sam kylie in ukraine. we're going to start with phil. what's the latest you're hearing from white house officials about debt ceiling negotiations? >> reporter: there was a pause with negotiators walking out of the room saying there simply had been no progress particularly on the central issue of the scale of spending cuts the white house is willing to consider and basically putting a halt to everything. it had been days of hours on end of meetings between the president's top negotiators and speaker kevin mccarthy's negotiating team. however, they are now back on. just about ten minutes ago, anderson, the 90-minute rejuvenation i guess of the talks that were under way at the capitol came to a close. one source familiar with the
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matter who was in the room texted me it was, a quote, candid conversation. there's still a long way to go, but they are talking again. i think when you talk to officials who have been around this process, anderson, and briefed on this process they acknowledge breakdowns in high stakes negotiations like this aren't a rarity and aren't necessarily a bad thing as long as they come together and lay the groundwork for real progress. the real issue beyond the vote counting, beyond the ability to get this across the finish line is the calender. they don't have time to go through a traditional rhythm of a negotiating process, we're talking about ten, 11 days until potential defaumt here, and things need to start moving quickly. at this point in time, though, nothing unlocked. just candid discussions. >> in term of zelenskyy to travel to the g7 in japan is there a sense what the stakes are for his visit? >> reporter: it's interesting, anderson. the ukrainian officials who had confirmed the president would be coming here had started to be a bit cagier about his presence, but as i'm told at this moment
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he's still scheduled to be on the ground here, and the reason is not just for pure symbolism or not just to rally allies. eralliy the g7 leaders had been the cornerstone steadfast on lethal assistance and economic aid. but it's also to make sure clear this war, the russian invasion going on a year and a half is at a clear inflection point. we're at a precipice of the ukrainian military launching a counter offensive. zelenskyy is cognizant of the fact the very durability of the coalition that has continued to support them is always a bit influx given the domestic issues particularly on the economy they face. showing up in a place like the g7 in the wake of a week-long tour of european capitals, showing up at the arab league summit in saudi arabia earlier today, it's critical to make the point, make the case and also make the ask because ukrainian officials just as their u.s. counter parts acknowledge know this isn't ending anytime soon. and the significance of more
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funding, more defense capabilities, more economic aid is critical for what comes next, anderson. >> phil mattingly, stay with us. i want to bring in cnn contributor jill dougherty. jill, if the u.s. does officially approve the shipment of f-16s from european allies to ukraine, but do you think that means for this conflict? >> well, i think it's a very serious move. it may not change things immediately because they will not be delivered for quite a while, but i think it could give them a defense that they haven't had to be able to go after the russians and defend, you know, the air war is the strongest part of the russian operation. they're not doing well on the ground, so i think having the f-16s could be a great help for them. >> jill, president biden has been clear for months he didn't view f-16s as a necessity or solution. again, these are coming from european allies. but what's changed?
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>> reporter: i would just say, anderson, while it appears to be a dramatic shift it's also very analogous to what you've seen the administration do throughout the course of the last 15 months when it comes to weapons capability. they are reticent, wary, they don't believe it'll have the effect and then eventually often driven by ukrainian pleas, allies who want to make that move they end up moving forward whether it's patriot systems, abrams tanks they've been able to progressively evolve. and i think it underscores quite often is kind of the president's theory of the case in terms of the coalition. if the coalition is moving towards a specific direction even if the u.s. military advisers say they don't believe it's the best battlefield weapons system or they're concerned about escalatory effects, the president is likely to move in that direction as well. that appears to be what happens here. there's still skepticism about
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the effect and it's very clear the u.s. doesn't have any plans to send f-16s from its stocks. that's been the animating feature over the course of the last 15 months. >> jill, as we await the expected ukrainian counter offensive, which in some ways may already be under way, we've seen squabbles break out, the ongoing war of words between the wagner group founder and the russian ministry of defense. is it clear to you whether the kremlin still sees a path to victory? >> i wonder about that because if you look at what's happening behind the scenes, i think there is an enormous amount of chaos. look, the wagner group you talked about that, they are now arresting scientists who have been developing weapons. it is massive repression on a really stalinist scale. so i think what that says is that putin is, ques, he's in charge but there's a lot of ferment coming up from the bottom that you pick up here and
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there. it's a very repressive country right now. but i think behind the scenes that he has real trouble. >> phil mattingly, jill dougherty, i appreciate it. thank you. a closer look now what it's like on the ground in ukraine. more on that from cnn's sam kylie. >> reporter: carried on a gun ship, escorted by another russia's defense minister we're told is visiting russian troops in ukraine's zaporizhzhia province. these higher wards reflect higher appreciation for your military work he says handing out medals. across the russian river the director of the children's hospital isn't impressed by his performance. he says, "they're not brave hiding in that bank between houses. they shoot at us." what do you think when you see
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pictures of him like that? >> reporter: and then he replies i think they're both such cowards it's more likely i'd say 90% they're hiding somewhere in crimea, at least very far from us. that would probably be wise given that across the river russian troops have turned a nuclear power station into a front line redoubt. that's the wrap retia power station behind me and nearly every day they're shelling this town from over there. it's going to be a major problem in any future ukrainian offensive because that is the biggest nuclear power station in the whole of europe, and it's a target. ukrainian officials say that they hope to bypass the nuclear plant during any offensive to avoid a nuclear catastrophe. in the mayor's office across the river boarded windows and shrapnel scars tell of russian rocket attacks. avoiding disaster will depend on
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the russians. he says i think it's important for them to hold the nuclear power station, and they will do everything to hold it as long as they can. first of all, it's the biggest nuclear facility in europe, and second it's a very important base for the military and their artillery. russian military ambitions drove maria literally underground where she's been sheltering in a hospital bunker. how have things be been in this town with the threat coming from the power station across the river for a whole year? >> translator: not very good. it's fine, we survive somehow. >> reporter: and how have the children been affected by the war? >> translator: they're worried that something might happen to them. >> reporter: and those fears won't go not until the russians are gone. >> sam kylie joins us now not
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far from the front lines. is there a sense tonight when the widely expected spring offensive from the ukrainians may begin? >> reporter: that is a closely guarded secret here in ukraine. there is evidence of course one sees with one's own eyes the movement of troops. we know there are a number of combat brigades. many of them have been trained in nato countries, the united kingdom and others. we know that there is a lot more equipment now available to the ukrainians including air defenses but also offensive capabilities like the storm cruise missile. that may have been in action. we don't know exactly, but there were some mysterious in explosions in mariupol. i think the ucrannians want the russian troops to be thinking this could happen to us any minute. >> sam kylie, appreciate it. now to a piece of video that was sound by cnn on the instant messaging app telegram which is essentially a place where people or groups can post videos or
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messages. the particular channel is called for posts and posted generally pro-russian content. the video was taken from the point of view of someone on the ground in bakhmut. there's gunfire herd and you hear a man yelling commands in a british accent in english. >> hey, over there! hey, 11:00! >> so we've discovered there's more to this video than meet the eye. we first showed you the video on the tuesday broadcast. and before we showed it to you our team had geolocated where the video was shotted and it was shot in the city of bakhmut but that voice made us curious and we've continued to investigate since then. today we confirmed the audio you just heard in that video was actually laid over the images deceptively. the audio you heard is actually taken from a different battle that occurred months earlier in a forest around bakhmut, and someone -- we don't know who or
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why -- married that audio to the video taken inside bakhmut and put it on telegram. now, we want you to hear the original video containing the voice posted on the war leaked blog which prescribes itself as a document for military enthusiasts all around the world. >> hey, over there. hey, hey, 11:00. 11:00. >> now, again, we don't know who did that or why, but we wanted to make sure we told you about what we found. next, one of my favorite guests historian and author doris concerns goodwin. in a moment she'll talk about the moment we're in now in the
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from schools and libraries. books that make mention of sexuality or race. and as our elle reeve discovered talking to one of the leaders of the group a belief that teachers are trying to secretly turn kids gay or destroy american family. >> to me it sounds like you're saying there's some kind of high level coordinated effort to make more children trans and gay. >> yeah. >> well, who's directing that? >> teachers unions and our president and a lot of funding sources. and teachers unions are also heavily backing the curriculum that we're bringing into schools. >> why would they want more kids to be gay and trans. >> because that breaks down the family unit which breaks down traditional conservative values, and breaks down a lot of things in this country. it changes way that people think. it changes the way that people handle politic. >> history curriculums are also
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a target in this fight. joined now by presidential historian doris concerns goodwin, author of a number of award winning best sellers. and that book is the basis of a new mini series called fdr that premieres humorrial day on the history channel. doris, it's great to have you back. i always look forward to this. so what does it say to you that banning books that may deal with difficult parts of american history or race or gender from libraries and classrooms is a flash point for the 2024 presidential campaign? >> i mean it really feels like history is under siege right now. when you're deciding that classroom discussions cannot focus on race, on class conflict, on social justice, social inequality, i mean i think about the moments i've written about in my long 50-year career, i've always chosen those
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moments when there's real turmoil because the nation is strengthened. turn of the 20th century you're going to be talking about the conflict between workers and capitalist, anarchist bombings, nationwide strike, the civil rights movement. i read some teachers now there's such a chilling effect of these ambiguous laws in these various states people don't know what's available. one teacher was afraid to even teach jim crow. another worried about reading martin luther king's letters from a birmingham jail. a tetcher in florida now investigated for putting on a disney film that had a gay character. i mean what is going to happen if we don't allow history as it was? nothing as i say strengthens a nation more than willingness to confront its problems, its triumphs, it's tragedies and key come out stronger. if you erase that history what are we going to learn from? it's really a crazy craze going on right now. >> also the well-known phrase
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about, you know, if you don't know your history or condemned to repeat it, you and your late husband presidential speechwriter richard goodwin both worked in the white house. talk a bit about what the country was like then. does it feel in some ways we're moving that much further back? >> you know, it's so interesting you ask that, anderson, because i've just been working on the civil rights moments in the '60s when the civil rights act was passed to desegregate the south. when the voting rights act was passed in 1965 my husband was lucky enough to work on when he talk about the we shall overcome banner that had been part of the civil rights movement and he and the power of the presidency joined together. that's when change takes place that these outside movements are now afraid some of these bans on movement discussions took place. in fact, i was just thinking after president biden went to
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howard university this last week that president johnson gave a talk at howard university way way back in 1965 and he acknowledged the importance of racism in a certain sense because he took this incredible metaphor you can't take a person to the beginning of a race hobbled by change for all these years and just say you're free to compete. it was really in some ways the birthplace of affirmative action. thof disssion of the acknowledgement of racism would probably be denied according to some of these ambiguous laws. so we learned from it. we learned at that moment they were going to try to confront social and economic justice as the third part of the civil right movement, desegregation, voting rights, and economic and social justice. sadly the war intervened and we were never able to get that full. we have indeed moved backwards, but we'll get forward again. there's movements to confront this and we're going to fight it. >> the idea that book banning is going to be front and center in the presidential campaign is
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kind of extraordinary. is there historical precedent for candidates, you know, championing -- you hear ron desantis talking about so-called anti-woke measures in florida, culture wars focusing on books and what critics have called the don't say gay bill. is there historical precedent or analogs for this type of candidacy? >> surely we've had culture wars. remember when pat buchanan was talking about some of them. and the sad thing is what you really want from your candidates you want a vision of where we're going to go in the future. how are we going to confront the problems we're facing? how are we going to deal with the war out there? the war in ukraine a central importance to us right now, and to be focusing on something that is not where the majority of the people are, something that is not moving us forward as a nation is a really difficult thing. i mean, i think what we need to be look at in these candidates,
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what worries me always about the way we cover our candidates in during campaigns and we look at what they say, we make a deal what the polls are. we need to understand what kind of leaders they are and the kind of leaders in office are the kind of leaders they've been, so we should be studying right now what kind of governor, what kind of representative in the house was desantis. what kind of teams did he create. was he a humble person? does what are they going to debate about? i've been arguing to myself for years i wish we could cover campaigns in a different way and maybe we can start right now. >> i appreciate you coming on. it's so lovely to talk to you. thank you. >> thank you so much for having me. i love talking to you. >> also the executive producer on the new mini series on
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franklin delano roosevelt. i look forward to that. please come back soon. >> shall do. coming up the questions surrounding the health of california senator diane feinstein not only about her ability to serve but about her decision to remain in office and those around her. jessica dean has the story next.
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senator diane feinstein's return to work this week has raised new concerns about her health. you've likely seen her being wheeled through the halls of congress looking fail. she didn't speak to reporters but according to the "the new york times" report she did not have enciphilitis but only had, quote, a bad flu. so that was thursday. on tuesday she appeared confused
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by questions from reporters about her recent medical absence. both l.a. times and slate reporters saying i haven't been gone, i've been here, i've been voting, please either know or don't know. it's not clear if feinstein was referring to just the past week since her return or referring to past several months when she was recovering at home and not voting. democratic members of congress have publicly urged her to resign. there are questions about why at 89 she's choosing to remain a senator. jessica dean has more. >> i do wonder why the people who love her are not more aggressively trying to protect her legacy and protect her at this point in time. >> reporter: even those who know senator diane feinstein well calling for an intervention after her return to the senate laid bare lingering heth issue. one woman often at senator feinstein's side the eldest daughter of house speaker nancy
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pelosi. >> ms. pelosi, are you working for her office now? >> reporter: a source familiar with the situation tell cnn the pelosis and feinstein share a close relationship and they have developed their own friendship that stretches back nearly 40 years. the source adds she's helping feinstein simply as a friend and is not her caretaker nor is she being paid. still as is often the case in washington political calculations loom over the situation. feinstein has said she will not run for re-election in 2024. former speaker pelosi has endorsed representative adam schiff in the primary. schiff has not joined calls for feinstein to retire before her term is up. >> i would like to give her a chance to recover from shings. >> reporter: but some how democrats have called for feinstein to retire early. if that were to happen california governor gavin newsom were to appoint someone until
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her return. >> would you nominate an african american woman to restore the seat that kamala harris is no longer in the united states senate, and do you have a name in mind? >> we have multiple names in mind and the answer is yes. >> reporter: one such name would likely be representative barbara lee, a black woman. an appointment could give her an advantage over schiff and others running for the senate in 2024. lee's campaign cochairman representative ro khanna has said it's time for feinstein to step down. >> i'm hopeful people close to her can talk to her and just say, look, end your service with dignity, step aside, let the governor appoint someone. >> reporter: a source tells cnn speaker pelosi has made it clear feinstein's decision to remain in the senate is entirely her own and any insinuation political agenda would factor into it is, quote, ridiculous. a spokesperson for speaker pelosi told cnn they've been friends since long before their service in congress and their
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friendship is personal, not political. anyone who knows senator feinstein knows that her service in the senate is entirely her own decision. and speaker emerita puleso would never suggest otherwise. >> perspective now from david axelrod, former senior advisor to president obama. you call this a tragic and painful saga. who in your view is to blame for how sad this has become? >> well, obviously at the end of the day senator feinstein holds the decision, and so she -- she is responsible for her own predicament. but it's clear she's not 100%. and in fact, anderson, this isn't a new story that san francisco chronicle did a piece more than a year ago raising questions about her capacities. this is an open secret on capitol hill. this has been discussed for a long time.
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but at this point there are real questions about her ability to serve. >> how much i mean do you think this is about what's best for senator feinstein and how much is political, and what some allege is best for other members of congress? >> look, i don't know. i think jessica did a good job of summarizing all of the memes around this in that piece. you have ro khanna who's chairing barbara lee's campaign. she might be the beneficiary of a nomination. as mentioned the speaker has endorsed adam schiff. it would be in his interest if there were not an appointment particularly of one of his competitors. you know, one of the people who could solve this was the governor by saying i'm not going to appoint anybody who's going to run in a general election, and i'm going to let the candidates who are running run. so as to remove this cloud. but, you know, at the end of the day i also think the nature of
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the senate is such that people are not going to push feinstein out. we have seen -- and speaker pelosi has pointed this out we've had examples with strom thurman and others where there hasn't been this kind of an uproar about it. so the senatorserize mindful of that. i really don't think you're going to see senators push her. and ultimately she's going to have to make that decision. >> what you're referring to is speaker pelosi was pointing out there's been male politicians from both parties very old and had significant infirmries and there wasn't this level of -- >> i will say, anderson, i'm not sure if that were the case today that that would be the same. i think we live in a different time, and i do think there's such an intense spotlight that it's hard to hide. they also were from smaller
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states. they came from a different era when seniority was given even more berth than it is today. so i don't know that the analogy completely holds up. i think the people of california should be concerned about this, but they don't really have a say. >> yeah. where do you think it's heading? right now it's may 2023. senator feinstein's term doesn't officially end until january of 2025. >> yeah. listen, she has had a distinguished career, and you don't wish her any ill. you just wonder how many -- how many setbacks can she take and whether at some point people as claire mccaskill suggested people who love her say, listen, your legacy is at risk here. this is not how you want to be remembered. and it's time to step aside. i'm mindful of the fact she lost her husband not so long ago. these are hard decisions,
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anderson. that's why the average age of the senate is 65 years old. i mean people their identities are wrapped up in -- >> she also has worked relentlessly throughout her entire life. this has been a life of service. >> it's her life. absolutely. very difficult. very difficult. but she's clearly not functioning at the level that she has been. and it's not a matter of age, it's just everyone is different. you look at senator grassly, for example. he's going to be 90 this year as well, but he's much more vigorous and he's in much better shape than she is. so this is a -- this is a situation that really goes to her capacity to serve. and i -- i mean i personally would hope that people who care about her will prevail upon her, to think about whether this is the way she wants to continue. and as to how it ends, anderson,
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it could end in very tragic ways, you know, that go to her health. >> david axelrod, appreciate you being with us. thank you. a lot more coming up including a cnn exclusive. remember last summer's airline melt down with thousands of flights delayed, canceled at airports and as we get ready for a busy summer at airports our pete munteen has learned what was behind that chaos and whether it can happen again. that's next. ♪ (vo) adventure on a deeper level. the subaru forester wilderness. dog tested. dog approved.
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with memorial day weekend approaching so it's the start of what's expected to be an especially busy summer for air travel. with that in mind we have exclusive new reporting on the origins of some the massive travel delays last summer. it's not at least in this case the airlines. ? stead a trouble came from a part of the system most passengers never seen. as cnn's pete munteen reports it could cause fresh trouble again this summer. >> reporter: it was the summer of air travel meltdowns. figures from flight tracking site flight aware showed last muyourial day to labor day airlines in the u.s. canceled 55,000 flights and delayed a half million more. >> it was horrible. >> a flight gets canceled then it's really tough to get on another one. >> reporter: the blame was mostly put on the airlines, which was mostly right. >> the airlines need to be prepared to service the tickets they sell. >> reporter: but now cnn has learned from internal documents obtained through a freedom of information act request that thousands of those flight delays
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were triggered by repeated short staffing at one federal air-traffic control facility in florida. the federal aviation administration's jacksonville center facility is responsible for controlling airspace used by nearly every commercial flight arriving and departing at florida's busiest airports. cnn found that last summer it was short staffed during more than 200 shifts. documents reveal over seven weeks the faa believes staffing problems delayed a total of 4,622 flights, nearly 1 in 10 of all delays state-wide. >> it has just a domino effect throughout the industry. >> reporter: at tampa international airport the executive vice president of operations began monitoring the staffing problems as passengers began getting stranded. in june he wrote the faa saying what's odd to me is that the only faa facility that seems to be having staffing issues is jacksonville center. >> and i obviously asked the
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question what are you going to do about it? what is the faa doing to address the issue so we can get our operational dependability back on track? >> reporter: in one message one senior faa official gave one assessment to the acting faa chief. i don't believe have any other excuse than a straight up shortage of certified controllers in multiple areas. paul is the former president of the union that represents air-traffic controllers. also revealed in the documents a whistle-blower complaint alleging overworked jacksonville controllers. the faa now tells cnn it has changed leadership at the facility. >> it's a very demanding profession. they have to be 100% 100% of the time. >> reporter: the faa has vowed to hire 1,500 controllers this year and 1,800 next year. but warning issues will not be fixed fast. the faa says delays at the area's three major airports could rise by 45% this summer. >> we own our part. the industry will own their
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part, and it will take all of us working together. >> pete munteen joins us now from reagan international airport. what's the faa saying in response to this? . >> anderson, the faa underscored it's really not the air-traffic control issues but really bad weather and traffic volume issue. the agency insists it's taken extra steps to put in place extra staff at jacksonville center, and it says conditions have improved since last summer, but the real question now is whether or not these fixes will work this summer. thursday stands to be one of the busiest air travel days of the memorial day air travel period with 51,000 flights scheduled nationwide. anderson? >> pete munteen, appreciate it. next with the first anniversary of the mass murders at robb elementary school approaching cnn has footage never before seen from inside as it unfolded.
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it's been nearly a year since a gunman walked into rob elementary school in uvalde, texas, and murdered 19 children and two teachers. there have been multiple investigations into exactly why this gunman was allowed to remain inside a classroom full of children, some of whom were still alive, some of them wounded and dying, for 77 minutes while 376 law enforcement personnel were outside, essentially waiting. for the past year, shimon prokupecz and his team have been digging for answers, trying to find out exactly what went wrong, trying to hold people accountable. through his reporting, he was given the entire investigative case file of hundreds of hours of footage and audio recordings. he and his team have gone through all of it. and sunday night on cnn's "the whole story," he shows the families in uvalde some new video which we're about to show you, that's never been seen before, that's never been seen
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before. including the audio from the 77th minute of the attack when police final vertebrae breached the classroom and killed the gunman. the video is disturbing. [ sound of gunfire ] >> shots fired. >> go, go, go, go. >> shots fired, shots fired. >> kids, kids, kids. >> get the kids out. >> hands up, hands up, hands up. where's the suspect? >> he's dead. >> kids. watch out. kids. watch out. emts first. emts first .
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>> what the [ muted ]? mother - - >> nothing could prepare you for what they brought out. it was horrible. >> shimon prokupecz joins me now. we just saw the video of some of the police retching after what happened. i know you have video that we haven't shown, and it's going to be in this. what else is there? >> the video is of the children. so, in that moment, as police are going forward and they finally get inside the classroom, there are kids that start to run out.
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and that is the video that we show the parents, of their kids, the survivors, coming out. >> kids who survived coming out. >> yeah, and they just come running and just this look on their face. one of them is shot. he runs out, and he's limping. at one point he falls on the ground. and then there's -- that was a.j. there's another little girl, chloe torrez, who called 911. she comes out, and she's just covered in blood. >> i remember her 911 call, that indirectly incredible call. >> yeah. and she was covered in blood. and it's not her blood. she wasn't injured. but what she did was she laid her body in a pool of blood, blood that was coming from bodies around her. and she did that because she wanted the gunman to think she was dead. >> and how old is she? >> she was 10 at the time. yeah. so, we have all that video. so, the families come to us when we're in uvalde filming this. they come to us, they call us, they say, we want to see the video of the breach. we want to see the video of our kids.
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>> this is one of those things that stuns me. authorities have not shown this video to these grieving families. >> nothing. they've not showed them any videos. they've not played -- a year later, anderson, we've played these 911 calls on your show. and these families have still not been able to get -- >> this is incredible. >> it's unbelievable. and every time they go to the d.a. and ask questions, they are basically getting stonewalled. they're not being given any information. and so now what's happening is they know we have all this information. so, all they want to know is, what did their kids go through? >> right. >> they want to know every detail of the traumatic experience that their kids went through, how they suffered, what kind of injuries they sustained. we show video of the kids. what happened is the police, after they get the kids out of the room, they put them on a school bus. there were no ambulances. so, they have to put them on a school bus to take them to a hospital. >> there were no ambulances?
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>> there were no ambulances. >> there's 300-something law enforcement personnel out there and nobody could -- >> there weren't enough ambulances, so they have to put them on a school bus to take them to the hospital. and all of the survivors are on this one school bus. and it's all recorded on body camera footage. so, you're seeing them on the school bus, crying, screaming for their parents. >> jesus. >> and the one girl, chloe, is just covered in blood. and she's telling the officer how she called 911, asking the officer, did i talk to you? and then we see another kid, a.j., who was shot. and you could see clearly where he's shot on his leg. and then most significant, there's kendall, who passes out several times on the bus. she's passing out. she's shot several times, loses a significant amount of blood, somehow survives. luckily, the police went in when they did, because i don't know that she would have survived. >> parents of surviving children who were in this, they told you they want this seen?
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>> they called us and they asked us. and we have that recording. we're on the phone with them and we show how the whole process unfolds and the difficulty that we had. you know, this was not something that was easy for us to do. we've never done anything like this. i was just really worried about their reaction and what would we do if there was some terrible reaction to what they were seeing. but they were adamant. they did it as a group, which i think helped them. so, we recorded that whole thing and we played it out. it's powerful. and the difference here, anderson, you know, sadly we've covered so many of these school shootings, and we do specials after, one year later. this is so different in the sense that we are really giving people a look inside of what happened in that classroom. >> it's just incredible to me that parents have not been given this look by authorities. we know thanks to your reporting, we know all the flaws in the investigations, all the investigations have taken place, all the flaws that occurred. it's extraordinary work. >> thank you for everything, anderson. >> be sure to watch shimon's
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