home at least 12 times during the murders, and comparison dna of trash outside kohberger's home that eventually led to his arrest. body cam video later released showed that kohberger had been pulled over for an unrelated incident, as he drove across country after the murders. kohberger's trial has been set for october 2nd and is expected to last six weeks. while there is no word on kohberger's defense, his attorney recently told a judge their investigator found information favorable to the defense, known only to surviving roommate bethany funke. she has agreed to speak with the defense. while indictment documents have been unsealed, investigators are still searching for a motive. genjean casarez, cnn, new york. >> thanks so much. >> thanks so much. "ac 360" begins now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

good evening. we begin tonight with breaking news. signs of cautious optimism in the debt ceiling standoff with as few as ten days left before the federal government runs out of cash. with house republicans trying to extract major budget cuts in exchange for allowing new borrowing to pay the bills, president biden and house speaker mccarthy have just wrapped up talks at the white house. >> i felt we had a productive discussion. i believe we can get it done. >> we'll hear from the white house. earlier today, treasury secretary janet yellen reminded lawmakers of the stakes saying, it's, quote, highly likely, unquote the government will default as soon as june 1st. so, what's the status of the negotiations after speaker mccarthy's meeting? >> the talks are still very much alive, which is a positive sign, after a tumultuous weekend of negotiations. both sides are still very much committed to getting a bipartisan deal. speaker kevin mccarthy, as you heard, struck a very positive tone after his one-on-one

meeting with president biden, which lasted for an hour and a half. and the staff is going to continue to meet tonight all through the night is what kevin mccarthy said. in fact, we just saw a bunch of pizzas being wheeled into the office, which is a sign they are digging in for the long haul here. i would warn that there is still a long way to go, because the two sides are still very far apart on substance. and the clock is ticking. kevin mccarthy even said they need a deal by this week in order to move this through the house and the senate and avoid a default by june 1st. >> what are the major sticking points? is that clear right now? >> so, the biggest sticking point, we're told, is spending levels. republicans want to cap future spending at fiscal 2022 levels, but they don't want to touch defense. in fact they want to plus up defense. that would mean a drastic cut on the domestic side of things. but the white house, so farther only offering to freeze funding, so sticking to current fiscal 2023 levels. that is something that republicans have outright rejected. here's a little bit more about what mccarthy had to say. >> i simply believe, like any

household, like any business, like any state government, when you're this far out of whack, you have to spend less than you spent last year. that's why we talk about that going back to where we spent just five months ago. put a cap in there, grow the economy, pull back money that hasn't been spent, like covid funds that have sat there for two years. who thinks you should do that? save the taxpayer money, grow the economy by cutting red tape, letting us build things again. we're only talking about, in work requirements, able-bodied people who have no dependents. should we borrow money from china to pay people who are able-bodied with no dependents to sit on the couch? i don't think so. >> and there are a number of other sticking points as well. they still haven't decided whether to impose stricter work requirements for social safety net programs. they haven't decided how to achieve reform, even though

there is bipartisan agreement generally on that front. and they still haven't decided the length of the debt ceiling hike. there are a number of issues to be finalized. but the thinking, at least right now, is that wonce they agree o spending, everything else will fall into place. >> even can mccarthy and the president reach a deal, will the congress go along with it? >> that's a great point, even if and when they get a deal, they have to sell it to their members. there is no guarantee the far right will be on board with what deal they cut. they're signaling they're not willing to support anything of what the house passed. mccarthy knows he has a sales job. that's why he's fighting so hard to get as many republicans priorities in this deal as possible. i would point out, he doesn't necessarily need conservatives in order to pass. this. presumably, if there's a bipartisan deal, there will also be democrats that support. but he does need their support in order to retain the speakership. that's driving the negotiations as well. >> we should note we just got a

statement from the white house which also called the meeting productive. also tonight, two new developments in the former president's many legal challenges. one on the criminal side against federal prosecutors an apparently up close look at conversations he may have had with his attorneys in the classified documents case at a key moment in the investigation. the other development concerns the sexual abuse and defamation judgment against him, the disparaging remarks he made after he lost, and what plaintiff e. jean carol wants the judge to do about it. let's talk about what the former president allegedly told his attorney. >> yeah, this was at a key moment in the mar-a-lago documents probe. they had just got the subpoena in may of 2022 from the government saying, if you have any records with classified markings, you need to return them. we are hearing from sources familiar with the matter that trump asked his attorney, is there any way we could push back on this. and that these conversations and others are memorialized in notes

that evan corcoran has handed over to jack smith prosecutors. he's handed over dozens of pages of his notes, and that came after this pretty extraordinary court fight that was happening under seal. the judge said, you've put forth substantial evidence that trump may have used his attorney in furtherance of a crime. so, there are people close to trump who say this is a guy who is just weighing his options with his attorney for how to respond to this subpoena. but of course we know trump has offered a lot of shifting explanations for why he took those documents, why he kept those documents. and we know the justice department is looking at a potential obstruction probe, anderson. >> there's news on the defamation case. what's that? >> e. jean carroll has gone back to court to ask for substantial punitive damages from donald trump in the make of donald trump's comments during that cnn town hall. now, remember earlier this month, she went to trial with a civil jury that awarded her $5 million, found trump had sexually abused and defamed her.

but she also had a separate defamation case that was ongoing. this was sort of caught up in a legal log jam. so, this is where she's going back to the judge and asking for a very substantial punitive damages after trump said this during the cnn town hall. take a listen. >> they said, he didn't rape her. i have no idea who the hell she is. i don't know who this woman is. they said, sir, don't do it. this is a fake story, and you don't want to give it credibility. >> one thing you did do -- >> and i swear -- and i've never done that. and i swear to you, i have no idea who the hell -- she's a whack job. >> mr. president -- >> now, in their court filing tonight, e. jean carroll's team said that trump's post verdict statement showed his depth of malice toward carroll. >> we've reached out to them on both stories for comment, and we have yet to hear back on either. as you pointed out, this does

give you a small encapsulation of donald trump's legal problems. >> thanks very much. joining us two legal analysts, el jot williams and normizeman, who served in the -- so, norm, i want to start with new reporting from the "new york times" that says special counsel jack smith's office has issued a subpoena for information about the former president's business dealings in foreign countries. what's interesting about it is that the request is for records since 2017, meaning the period after he took office. what does that suggest to you? >> anderson, it suggests to me that the special counsel is attempting to determine whether there could have been any motivation in donald trump hanging on to these classified records, connected to his business dealings with china, france, turkey, and the other countries included in this

subpoena. >> so, you do link this to the classified documents probe? >> that seems most likely. that's what "the times" is reporting. and it's logical, anderson, because it doesn't mean that that is the motive for him hanging on to the classified documents. but jack smith is known as an intrep ent prosecutor, and he's exploring every angle. could donald trump have hung on to these classified documents and taken them in order to pay back business favors or to gain a business advantage? we have to be very careful. it's not necessarily the case that he did, but the prosecutor is trying to find out very important intent question. >> and elliott, obviously if a former president did that, that would be, i mean, extraordinary, horrific, all sorts of things. how concerned would you be if you were his attorney that the special counsel is apparently interested in foreign deals by the trump organization?

>> i'd be scared on two fronts, anderson, because, number one, to picking up on norm's point, there's certainly the possibility, the more likely -- i guess perhaps the more readily apparent possibility -- that there's the suggestion that documents or other information was shown to or shared with foreign governments. it's also entirely the case that in the course of looking under the hood of mar-a-lago or the trump organization, prosecutors or investigators uncovered other evidence of possible crime or wrong doing. you know, if you're investigating one thing and then there's plain evidence of another crime, certainly any investigator would be remiss in not following up on those leads. to be clear, that's speculating and not as likely. but it's certainly troubling, the fact that there's multiple possibilities. it could be more crimes than the ones that we're already aware about. >> norm, as for the notes from the former president's lawyer -- and, again, from all the reporting, he kept very close

and detailed notes -- the notes pertain to the classified documents subpoena. how damning do you think those notes could be? >> well, anderson, they're reported to be 50 pages. cnn has said that trump insiders were surprised at the level of detail. it's kind of similar to the first issue we were talking about. it goes to donald trump's intent. and as sara reported, if trump was indeed pushing back, asking how he can push back on this subpoena, maybe there was an innocent intent, or maybe that is part of the pattern of evidence of obstruction of justice and of hanging on to these documents. allegedly. all of this is alleged at this point. hanging on to these documents, wrongfully so. i think it's got to be very uncomfortable, the most uncomfortable thing for a client

to have 50 pages of their lawyer's detailed notes now in the hands of prosecutors. >> elliott, obviously the devil is literally in the details here. but, i mean, there could be an argument that, well, wouldn't any client say to his attorney, well, can we push back against this? >> yeah. >> you know what the notes actually say? >> no, we don't. it's remarkable that the notes are even being turned over in the first place. they lost a court fight over these because of how rare it is to turn attorneys' notes over. the devil is in the details, and it's frankly responsible for an attorney to say, or for a client to say, you know, let's look at whether we can quash this subpoena or this subpoena might not be valid or lawful. and let's look at ways we can challenge it. that's good lawyering. the problem for the former president is that every time a piece of this evidence comes out, it's more indication that he knew he was in possession of the documents, right? and it speaks to knowledge and intent. and many of the things he appears to be investigated for

is simply knowingly possessing documents, right? if you're trying to challenge the subpoena, you know they're in your possession and care, and that's not good for him. >> appreciate it. thanks. coming up next, we go to ukraine, what it looks like to ukrainian troops engaged in fierce combat outside bakhmut, as they try to choke off russian forces. also senator tim scott's decision to join the race and what it means for the front runner, the former president. my relationsnship with my credit cards wasn't good. i got into debt in college, and no matter how much i paid, it followed me everywhere. the high interest...i fel. debt! debt! debt! debt! so i brokep with my credit card debt i finally feel like a grown-up. break up with bad credit card debt. get a personal loan with low fixed rates and borrow up to $100k.

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tonight, we're learning new details about yet another russian senior official who has died of unknown causes. deputy minister of science and higher education died after falling sick on a plane on saturday. according to a russian state run broadcaster, his family says his death may have been from a heart condition. forensic examination is set for wednesday. his death comes among a string of other deaths. matthew chance joins me now with details. what more do we know about this senior russian official? >> you can see from the picture that he is relatively young, certainly not the age you'd expect somebody to suffer heart disease and die. but of course that doesn't rule it out. he was a deputy minister for education and science. he was killed -- or he died, rather, on a government trip coming back from cuba. he died on the airplane. he was on an official delegation in cuba. he was coming back. he died on the airplane.

you mentioned his family. they are waiting for the outcome of the forensic report, which the russian authorities say is on the way. but there's been this telegram journalist who says he knows this minister, who said that he spoke to him before he left the country, and he said he wasn't feeling great about the situation in russia, and he expressed reservations about the direction the country was going. he said he was on antidepressants and sort of feared for his own safety. it's not evidence in itself, of course, that there was any sort of untoward, malign activity towards this person. but, you know, as you said, russia has a very checkered past when it comes to eliminating people who don't necessarily follow the official line. >> yeah. there was also this incursion into russia by russians fighting with the ukrainian armed forces. what more do we know about it? >> yeah. i mean, that's pretty stunning. this is a group of individuals

that say they're russian nationals. they're based in ukraine, and they're using that as a beige from which to launch attacks against russia. well, today they carried out an extraordinary armored advance into russian territory and actually seized land inside russia from the russian state. take a look. [ bleep ]. >> reporter: tonight, russian fo forces insist they're taking back control from a group of what they call saboteurs infiltrating this leafy border. these images purporting to show a russian solder detaining three of them, was broadcast on state media. [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: meet the anti-kremlin russians, now taking the fight back home.

this is how we work, he says, amid a bold armored raid across the ukrainian border into russia itself. cnn can't independently verify any of the images, but this entire column of vehicles was spotted crossing the frontier. ukrainian forces insist it's not them, but exiled russian groups fighting against the kremlin. >> translator: we are russians just like you. we want our children to grow up in peace and be free so they can travel, study, and be happy. but this is not happy in putin's russia. >> reporter: and the raid caught border guards unaware. this one tried to be a hero, the n narrator says, amid scattered passports and a portrait of vladimir putin overlooking the carnage below.

the border is now unlocked, says one of the fighters. grandpa putin will soon turn to honey, says the other. in other words, die. [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: on kremlin-controlled television, the presenters stood like statues, as the day's events replay. on videos from stunned locals witnessing the fight. the kremlin called the attack a diversion, but already the sharp criticism from russian hard liners that this was allowed to occur. [ sirens ] this russian region right next to ukraine is no stranger to cross-border attacks. but armed incursions like this are rare. and the mood here, according to local russian officials, has

shifted. with empty buses come in to evacuate residents, while those who can are leaving by themselves. >> well, anderson, russia has now declared a counterterrorism operation in the region, saying it has killed or captured dozens of those people that came across the border from ukraine to carry out this raid. but it is still unclear tonight whether russian government forces have actually recaptured the territory that was taken and seized in this extraordinary raid. >> that's incredible. matthew chance. appreciate it. there's also new development tonight in the battle for the eastern city of bakhmut. ukraine says they still control parts of the city, after both russian forces and wagner group claim they've captured bakhmut. at the g7 summit over the weekend, president zelenskyy denied russia's claims that russia controls the city and

compared the city to that of hiroshima after it was hit by an atomic bomb in world war ii. here is the report. >> reporter: barely out of the armored troop carrier, incoming artillery. >> we're just going to wait in this little basement until the shelling is over. then they're saying it will be safe to move forward. >> reporter: a few minutes later, safe to come out of this army outpost a few miles from bakhmut. last night was hard, a lot of shelling. [ speaking non-english ] >> reporter: this man tells us the soldier is still shell shocked from an empty tank rocket attack. >> we're going to get back in the vehicle, try and get a little closer to the front lines. >> reporter: ten days ago, these troops pushed the russians back

around bakhmut. but their advance is slowing and harder. we get to a small hq, call sign fox, a former farmer, is readying his troops for their coming shift on the front line, stopping the russians in bakhmut from advancing. >> how hard is that? >> reporter: it's impossible to describe these feelings, he says. you can only experience it. no words can express it. they shell a lot. as we talk, it is clear this war is taking its toll. >> you only have to look at the soldiers' faces here to know how tough this battle is. they all look worn. they say morale is high, but their faces are telling a different story. >> reporter: we move on towards other positions and stop as the

shelling increases. >> we've just been told the place that we were going to is under heavy shelling, so we're going to pull back from here, go somewhere else. >> reporter: in the battalion bunker, the commander tells us the russians have ramped up their shelling on his troops since they advanced. tons of ammo, shrapnel, tanks firing, everything. his unit's drones recorded their recent successes. but now the russians have regrouped. and in a moment of candor, following losses the previous night, admits morale is flagging. let's be honest, he says, we are fighting heavily for more than a year. my soldiers went through many battles on two rotations near bakhmut. troops are exhausted, but we endure. >> bakhmut, which is just over the hill in that direction, has become an object lesson in how

russia's wealth in man and ammunition can prevail. and unless ukraine gets the modern weaponry support from its allies, it's going to struggle to tip the balance. >> reporter: call sign fox and his unit load up for their hard miles at the front. an end of war, getting back to their families, what drives them into the shelling. >> nick, what is the status, the fight for bakhmut tonight? >> there's a toehold inside the city that ukraine has said they still have. from where we are standing now, we can hear the shelling going on. it was heavy last night. it's heavy again tonight. the ukraine rans are trying desperately hard to hold the russians back and not let them get beyond. everyone knows that bakhmut was such a long fight. we've been talking about it for such a long time. such high casualties on both sides.

after the russians get through bakhmut, it's more open countryside and small villages. the next towns they want to take, sloviansk, tram investors k, it's a stretch of country way. it's much quicker to get through that countryside and take that territory than it was getting through bakhmut. so, ukraine is really going all in to hold the russians back. around here you see a lot of military activity. old equipment, new equipment from nato, equipment on the backs of trucks that's come out for repairs, overspill shelling into local villages. all that sort of thing, it is a very, very heavy military area around here. and the closer you get to the front line, the more and more military there is. and the more and more deserted the villages are around. it's a huge effort to hold the russians back here right now. >> you can see, just incredibly tough fight. nic robertson from eastern ukraine. thank you, be careful. presidential politics back at home.

tim scott announcing he is running for president. we'll take a look at his campaign, what it means for the republican race. will the growing field benefit the former president the way it did back in 2016?

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did in 2016. first, more on senator scott, who is a compelling figure in his own right. -- covering day one of his campaign. >> reporter: south carolina senator tim scott officially jumping into the 2024 presidential race. >> we live in the land where it is absolutely possible for a kid raised in poverty in a single-parent household in a small apartment to one day serve in the people's house. and maybe even the white house. >> reporter: the only black republican in the senate, scott emphasizing his personal story. >> i'm living proof that america is the land of opportunity and not a land of oppression. >> reporter: and his strong faith, which campaign officials say will be a central theme of his candidacy. >> i will be the president who

stops the far left's assault on our religious liberty. i will preserve one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> reporter: scott pitching himself to republican voters as a formidable challenger to president joe biden. >> our nation, our values, and our people are strong, but our president is weak. >> reporter: and appealing directly to the gop base on border security. >> if our southern border is unsafe and insecure, it's not our country. >> reporter: and over culture wars. >> i will be the president who destroys the liberal lie that america is an evil country. >> reporter: among those introducing scott, john thune, the senate's number two republican, who is backing scott's bid. >> tim scott is the real deal. >> reporter: scott joins a growing field of gop hopefuls.

>> that's why i'm the candidate the far left fears the most. i disrupt their narrative. i threaten their control. the truth of my life disrupts their lies. >> reporter: including former south carolina governor nikki haley, who appointed scott to the senate in 2012, and former president donald trump, who wished scott luck. scott telling cnn -- >> reporter: trump instead choosing to go after florida governor ron desantis, who's expected to announce his bid in the coming days, writing, tim is a big step up from ron desanctimonious, who is totally unreportable. >> our -- and nation are standing at a time for choosing. >> reporter: scott striking a more optimistic message, setting up a contrast with trump and desantis. >> victimhood or victory? >> victory. >> grievance or greatness?

>> greatness. >> i choose freedom and hope and opportunity. will you choose it with me? [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: and as for democrats, how they're responding to this, i spoke to crystal spain today. she is the chair of south carolina's democratic party, and she essentially told me that this is more of the same and said that scott is just like every other maga republican in the field in terms of where he stands on policy matters like abortion and the social safety net. that, of course, is going to be a hard argument to make. scott is a conservative to be sure, firmly conservative. but trump, he is not. anderson? >> stay with us. i want to bring in chief political correspondent dana bash. dana, you covered senator scott for many years. he certainly has a remarkable personal and political story. what's his lane in this gop field? he seems to go out of his way to

not criticize the former president. >> so far that's going to be it. he is, i'm told, going to be leaning heavily at the beginning of his candidacy into his biography. he's got a lot of money in his war chest already. they've been able to transfer money from his senate campaign war chest to the presidential, $22 million, which is more than anybody else has right now. and they're going to use that to tell people who he is. he's not that well known on a national level, certainly not that well known compared to the donald trumps and ron desantis' of the world. so, the fact that he is able to spend that money and explain who he is and what eva just showed in her piece, the kind of happy warrior, that is different, generally speaking, than almost all of the other candidates. whether there's a appetite for that kind of candidacy, that remains to be seen. >> eva, is it clear how the senator plans to handle the

former president in the primaries? >> well, my sense is that in the immediate sense, he has no appetite to take him on immediately. i think that his team really, as dana alluded to, sees these next months as pivotal in terms of introducing him to voters. you know, as i was speaking to his supporters today, lots of folks in south carolina know him very well. he held local office here before ascending to the senate and now running for president. but maybe folks in iowa and new hampshire don't know him as well. so, that is where the focus is, on his biography, on a positive message. it seems as though his team at this juncture doesn't see a lot of value in taking on trump directly. >> dana, conventional wisdom is that more people run against former president trump, the larger the gop field is, they essentially split the opposition vote, boost his chances of getting the nomination.

do you think that's the case here? >> likely. but when it comes to candidates like tim scott, candidates who are really not donald trump in a lot of ways, the trump campaign and people around the former president believe that candidates like tim scott are more likely to take votes away from ron desantis than from donald trump. who knows if they're right? but that's what they believe right now. that is definitely one of the reasons why the former president said something nice about tim scott today. another reason, of course, is that scott has not been criticizing donald trump. and we know very much that is a two-way street when it comes to criticism as much as -- >> dana bash, appreciate it. thank you so much. up next, why did the stock market drop when this fake photo ban circulating on twitter today? more ahead.

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some real life panic earlier today when a fake photo of an explosion near the pentagon circulated on social media. this is a fake photo generated by artificial intelligence. it was shown on an overseas news program and the stock market took a dip. donie o'sullivan joins us now with more where did this come from? >> there's two parts to this

anderson, and both parts signal the future and how messy the misinformation ecosystem is about to get. firstly, the image itself, which you can see there, purported to be the pentagon. if you look closely, it doesn't look anything like the pentagon. but it was put out there, and experts say that was created using artificial intelligence technology. you can type -- there's a system you can type explosion near a building, and it will generate multiple images within seconds. the second part of this -- so, that's number one. the second part of this is the blue check fiasco on twitter. people might remember that a few months ago, elon musk took away the blue checkmarks from a lot of organizations and journalists and basically gave them to anybody who was willing to pay for them. now, as a result of that, a lot of folks have set up fake accounts. and in this case, this image was first shared by a fake account that had a blue checkmark, so it looked verified, pretending it was linked to bloomberg news.

but it does seem there's been some coordination here in the pushing of this. a lot of accounts pushed all at once. it ended up on tv in india, russian state media shared it, and the stock market dipped. >> which is terrifying that an ai generated fake image just on a few phony twitter accounts can have a dip in the stock market. that's -- you can then -- i mean, this is like opening of the flood gates. >> 100%. if you look at that image closely, you can see it's pretty -- it's not particularly sophisticated one. i mean, you know, folks are familiar with what the pentagon looks like or d.c. would know that that's not the pentagon or a building near it. in that moment, when you see it, especially coming from an account that appears to be a genuine bloomberg news account, then of course that will have real life consequences. >> what do you think this whole ai stuff -- what impact it's going to have in the election, fake photographs? >> i don't think -- i don't think things are looking great

in terms of, you know, it's so easy now to create convincing fake audio. we made fake audio of you some time back, which took seconds to do. and also fake video. i think what we could see in this election cycle -- and of course this is speculating. you think about the role audio tapes play in election campaigns. it's going to be so easy to fake one, but also so easy to deny a real tape. imagine if the "access hollywood" take were to emerge today, it would be easy for trump to say, that wasn't me, that was a deep fake. new developments in the murders last year of four university of idaho students. the suspect was back in court today for his arraignment. he stayed silent, as the judge asked for his plea. we'll have details next. that's it. miracle-gro. all you need to know to grow.

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the suspect in the murders of four university of idaho students last year appeared in court again today, where the judge entered not guilty pleas on his behalf. the suspect was indicted by a grand jury last week on murder and burglary charges. the trial is set to begin in early october. >> reporter: the suspect in the brutal stabbings of four

university of idaho students walking in without handcuffs into an idaho courtroom monday. >> all rise. >> reporter: and in a highly unusual move remained silent when asked for his plea to one burglary charge and four counts of first degree murder. the judge entered not guilty pleas for each charge. bryan kohberger looking only at his attorney and a judge during the proceedings, did respond to questions. >> do you understand these rights? >> yes. >> any questions about the rights? >> no. >> reporter: kohberger appeared to read the indictment, as the judge in this case read the charges. >> count four, murder in the first degree. >> reporter: he's charged in the november killings of ethan chapin, madison mogen, and -- did not appear to react with any emotion. >> do you understand the charge in count five, murder in the first degree? >> yes. >> reporter: or appear to look around the courtroom, where victims' families, like the

gonc goncalves'. he was tracked down after a white honda elon tra -- and a room meat heard crying and saw a masked man clad in black clothing and noted his bushy eyebrows. they found kohberger's father's dna on trash recovered from his family's home, which was a close match to dna on a tan leather knife sheath. now the prosecution has 60 days to decide kwl they will pursue the death penalty in the case. >> how unusual is it for a defendant to not enter a plea and remain silent? >> reporter: anderson, i spok with a university of idaho law professor who tells me there are

a number of reasons this could have happened, and it is unusual. he says the first reason is it's possible because this is such a highly scrutinized case, there's so much publicity, that bryan kohberger may not have wanted to have any kind of characterization about his plea. if he entered a guilty plea, he would be admitted guilty. if he entered not guilty pleas, there could have been outrage that he's not taking responsibility. by not saying anything, he didn't have a characterization the public could assume today. it's also possible there could be something happening behind closed doors. the prosecution and defense could be talking about a plea agreement, and this could have been part of that. and lastly, it's possible that he's just being difficult and not wanting to cooperate. so, i'm told that while this does happen, it is highly unusual. >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up, a welcomed change of pace. we'll be right back.

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guinness world record as the world's most expensive ice cream. a japanese ice cream company says it took them a year and a half to develop this dessert. i'm not sure i buy it. harry enten joins us now with more. why is this ice cream so special? >> i don't understand this. we were just talking in the break, shouldn't ice cream be simple? it should be maybe three flavors, ten at most. >> i like -- ice cream, a farm in connecticut, and it's just great ice cream. >> my favorite ice cream is carvel, and if we can get an image of this, guys, this is my favorite. i brought you a cake. >> i love the commercials as a kid. fudgey the whale, whale of a cake for a whale of a dad. >> i love those commercials. you know how many of those fudgey the whale cakes you can buy for one of these fantastic mystery truffle gold leaf desserts? you can buy nearly 200 fudgey the whales. you can get the flying saucers.

you can see nearly 1,600 flying saucers for the price of one of these ridiculous desserts. flying saucers was another one. >> what was the fudgey whale the same mold as? >> cookie was separate, but fudgey, if you flip it upside-down was santa claus. >> that blew my mind when i discovered that. >> if you haven't watched -- for those of you too young to know about tom carvel, you should look up the old commercials. >> his voiceover was just fudgey the whale, wonderful day. >> i think he did an appearance where he sang one of the songs. >> how popular is ice cream? you're the data guy. i know you're going to present data. >> i do have data for you. it's the number one adult among u.s. adults. fruit came in second at 25%. and this the type of polling data that makes me not believe polls because the idea that american adults would say that, you know, nearly as many would say fruit is their favorite as ice cream just tends to me that

there's social desirability going on here. >> aspirational. >> yeah, it's aspirational. oh, i love fruit. fruit's fantastic. >> blueberries. >> blueberries. >> i do belove blueberries. >> they're not as good as ice cream there. >> is there really a poll on this? >> there are polls on erg. chocolate came in one. cookies and cream, two. vanilla at three. strawberry is four. but chocolate is my favorite, so this is a poll i do believe. >> you're a man of the people. >> i am. the news continues. cnn prime-time with abby phillip starts now. anderson, thank you very much, and good evening, everyone. tonight, two notable developments in the special counsel's investigation of donald trump, including word of yet another subpoena involving