there's social desirability going on here. >> aspirational. >> yeah, it's aspirational. oh, i love fruit. fruit's fantastic. >> blueberries. >> blueberries. >> i do belove blueberries. >> they're not as good as ice cream there. >> is there really a poll on this? >> there are polls on erg. chocolate came in one. cookies and cream, two. vanilla at three. strawberry is four. but chocolate is my favorite, so this is a poll i do believe. >> you're a man of the people. >> i am. the news continues. cnn prime-time with abby phillip starts now. anderson, thank you very much, and good evening, everyone. tonight, two notable developments in the special counsel's investigation of donald trump, including word of yet another subpoena involving

the former president's finances. according to notes that evan corcoran took of his conversations with his client, donald trump, the former president, wanted to fight the subpoena that demanded that he return classified documents that he had no right to have after his time in office. now, these notes taken by corcoran are providing more insight into trump's thinking and his actions around the time the criminal investigation was launched. and now they sit in the hands of a special counsel, jack smith. joining us now is john dean. he was the white house counsel for richard nixon. and just like evan corcoran, john, you testified about your conversations with president nixon. so, as you listen to what has been reported here, in your mind, why would there even be dozens of pages of documents, notes, about what to do with a lawful subpoena? shouldn't that conversation between attorney and client be pretty short?

>> well, you i know mr. trump in the past said he was surprised his white house counsel were keeping notes. i didn't take notes when i was a white house counsel. i didn't know there was a taking system, which unfortunately was there. the immediate problem for evan cochran is that he, i think, did suspect his client was a little squirrely, and he didn't know how things were going to turn out. so, he kept very detailed notes, parentally, down to as reported such things as his facial expressions during conversations. >> it does seem to suggest that corcoran had a sense that something was potentially going to come back and needed to be documented. one of the sources described corcoran's notes as, quote, overly detailed. another source said that some were surprised at that level of detail. do you think that corcoran could have also been trying to, perhaps, protect himself?

>> there's a good reason to suspect that's the case. i think there's a -- we don't know what's in the notes at this point. we know they are valuable enough to prosecutors that they went to court and got a judge to say that it appears -- there's certainly evidence to indicate -- that mr. corcoran's client, the former president, was taking advantage of that counsel to commit a crime. and that's the exception, which is breaching the privilege, which judges don't like to do. that's a very sacred privilege. so, judges are very aware of it, and it's -- but it's very telling to us, as spectators at this point, that we are seeing a case that is being built. and there's judging who are looking at this evidence seeing evidence of criminal behavior by mr. trump. >> yeah, that crime/fraud exception was found by the judge in this case, which is a very

high bar typically. here's what sources close to former president trump are saying. they're saying that he was just asking his lawyer, corcoran, for legal advice. when he asked about whether or not they could fight the subpoena. so, if you're a prosecutor, and you're examining these notes, how do you determine -- what is the line between perhaps trump trying to obstruct justice, asking how to get out of a subpoena, and trump, you know, let's us play devil's advocate. trump could have been playing devil's advocate in that moment. i think that is what his aides are suggesting here. >> as i piece together the reporting, what appears to have happened is he might have legitimately probed his lawyer. but he took the advice his lawyer gave him and turned around and shared it with someone else, and appeared to have moved documents and things of that nature once the subpoena arrived to try to avoid it being fully uncovered and discovered. so, that's the sort of thing

that these notes could tell us and lead us to have a better understanding, and that would show his criminal intent. you know, whether or not it's willful use of of this material or whether it's obstruction, it appears the obstruction case is most prominent and strongest at this point. >> so, there's another detail that is very interesting that we're learning from the "new york times." they are reporting that prosecutors have also issued a subpoena about trump's foreign businesses in seven very specific countries n china, france, turkey, saudi arabia, kuwait, and the united arab emirates, and also oman. what does it say to you that they are looking at these deals, deals that date back to 2017, meaning, while trump was still president of the united states? >> well, the fact that it goes back throughout his presidency is very telling that they're looking to see what he might

have shared. and i think there's good reason to do that. what he shared in the intelligence nature. we know he did it while in the oval office, and they had the russian declassify information when he gave ambassador lavrov, clearly, sources and methods, which was a troublesome thing. but here, you know, i thought -- my immediate reaction when bateman asked him at the town hall, you know, have you ever shared any of this information with anybody? the answer that most people would have given was, of course i didn't. this was national security information. trump's answer was, i don't recall. that just doesn't fit. it's not surprising that the special counsel is trying to find out well, who the in the world was this man dealing with? and what might have been an occasion that he could have shared this information? or what motive might have been -- the information? >> i think this speaks to a

major question that we still have, which is the why of it all. why would he want to keep the documents? what is the motive, as you just said. turning to one of the other legal cases that the former president has been embroiled in. this is dealing with e. jean carroll's defamation and sexual assault case against him. it seems now that she is wanting to amend this case based on his comments in that cnn town hallment i want you to take a listen to this. >> they said, he didn't rape her. >> they didn't -- >> i didn't do anything else either because i have no idea who the hell she is. i don't know who this woman is. they said, sir, don't do it. this is a fake story, and you don't want to give it credibility. that's why i didn't go. >> one thing you did do is -- >> and i swear i have never done that, and i swear to you, i have no idea who the hell -- he's a whack job. >> she's a whack job. what do you make of today's

filings? are you surprised at all? >> not at all. i think what was done was very thoughtful. it wasn't a new case that was filed. it was filed against the original complaint that was done back in november of 2019 that has been bouncing around the courts over who can represent trump, whether because he was president when he said that, the department of justice should be involved in this. and that has not -- it's gone up to two court of appeals and now it's back down in the district court. that's where she amended it, back there. and it shows punitive damages. many of these issues, in the original case, have already been tried. it's the same judge. he's very savvy. he knows what's going on. it was a brilliant move. and i think trump could end up paying another five or more million dollars as a result of loose lips. >> not the only comment he made in that town hall that could end up having real legal

ramifications for him. john dean, thank you for that. in just ten days the united states will run out of cash and won't be able to pay its bills. don't it seems both sides are finally getting serious, as the u.s. treasury secretary ramps up her warnings that the u.s. is still on track to default for the first time in history. so, after a week of staff level negotiations, president biden and house speaker kevin mccarthy, they picked up the baton at the white house today. but there is still no deal after that 90-minute meeting. still, there are some signs of progress. before we get to their comments, keep in mind that the nation's economy is sitting on a ticking time bomb. if the nation defaults, 401ks, college savings, they'll all drop, social security and medicaid benefits will disappear and everything from food stamp payments to military checks, they just don't arrive. so, here is president biden

before the meeting. >> we talked about the need for a bipartisan agreement. we have to be in a position where we can sell it to our constituency, pretty well divide it in the house, and it's not going to get through the senate. so, we've got to get something that will sell to both sides. >> and here is speaker kevin mccarthy after the meeting. >> i felt we had a productive discussion. we don't have an agreement yet, it i did feel the discussion was productive in areas that we have differences of opinion. we're going to have the staffs continue to get back together and work on some of the things that we had talked about. >> and joining me now is entrepreneur and "shark tank" host, kevin o'leary. so, kevin, you have said repeatedly that you believe there is a 100% chance that a debt deal gets done. i have to wonder, i mean, are you and the markets maybe putting too much faith in

washington's ability to get its act together here? >> no because the markets globally have seen this movie multiple times before. there are some signs that you can actually tell what the deal is going to look like. because we're getting so close to the deadline, this will be a short-term fix. it won't go past the election. and i think probably you think about it from a political point of view, you want to keep roasting biden right through the election cycle on this philosophy between holding the line on tax increases and cutting spending. that's really what's at stake here on this deal, as you start to think about what's being nego negotiated. but the chance that there's no deal is zero. >> isn't that a disastrous outcome for the country to have a short-term deal that lasts a few months and puts us back where we were all over again. >> no because we've seen that movie before too. this is pure politics. the reason you know with certainty this is going to get worked out is the market itself. you can look at the two year,

the 10-year, the 30-year bond. and if anybody thought there was not going to be a deal, they would be trading at double digit yields. the market would have figured out this is going to be a very bad outcome. that's not the case. you have the nasdaq hitting new highs almost. and people are very optimistic that we're full employment. so, this is a bump in the road. politics at its best. it's a classic washington, d.c. don't watch the sausage being made. just eat the sausage. and we'll get the sausage in about 36 hours probably. you're not going to like this deal because it's going to be so short term, but i guarantee we're going to get one. it would be political suicide not to get a deal, and everybody knows that. >> you know, i mean, that's probably true. but you do have a lot of lawmakers in the congress suggesting that maybe the deadline's not real, maybe they don't have to pay all the debts at once. they can just do the interest.

you had senator bill cassidy saying yesterday, maybe the date is not june 1st, it's june 15th. so, the fuzzy deadlines and the uncertainty, does that weigh on the markets? will they start to worry as we get closer and closer to that deadline? >> that is a really bad idea. yellen has been out in the markets globally every 48 hours saying june 1st is the drop dead date. if you want to start talking about a date after that, it's like two teenagers in '66 chevrolets playing chicken. that's a really bad idea, very bad. that won't happen either. everybody knows when yellen keeps saying it every 48 hours, it's june 1st, that's the target. they're going to get this thing done, and you're going to see some real motion and movement in the next 48 hours. it'll happen. but it's not going to be a long-term deal. this is going to become election issue, and that's okay. i think it's a great idea to debate the heart and soul of spending versus tax increase. >> kevin, we have no time left.

if you don't see a deal in the next 48 hours, would you start to worry? >> no. no. seen this movie, seen the ending, not worried. >> all right. all right. hope springs eternal. we'll take your word for it, kevin o'leary. thank you very much. and coming up next for us, the field for the republican nomination for president expands yet again, as south carolina senator tim scott announces his run for the white house. but can we break trump's hold on the party? we really don't want people to think of feeding food

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tonight, the republican presidential field is a little more crowded, with senator tim scott, a republican from south carolina, making his bid for the presidency official. >> i'm announcing today that i am running for president of the united states of america! >> senator scott promised to take on the so-called radical left in his announcement, while also highlighting his life story and christian faith. but notably absent from his speech was any mention of his opponents, including former president donald trump. joining me now at the table is cnn political commentators errol lewis and anna navarro, alyssa

farah griffin, and solomon jones. so, here we are. as expected, tim scott is in. but errol, we're talking about lanes again. what's his lane? is there one for him? >> the lane i heard him talking to and about today was the evangelical base of the republican party that we know is a big part of his support in south carolina. if he wants to get beyond the 1% where he's polling right now nationally, he's going to have to obviously expand it. but he, like so many others, i think, seems to imagine that there is some way to sort of take that conservative -- that social conservative base, build it, take it away from donald trump, and somehow add to it. it is maybe a bridge too far, but that's sort of the three-step path to victory that he seems to be suggesting he's going to try. >> yeah. the thing about tim scott that is usually the first thing, if you work in washington, he's a likable guy. people in the halls of congress like him quite a lot.

>> does not happen with everybody. >> the unspoken truth is that that does not happen with everybody. some of it is this life story that really is very inspiring. he's the child of a single parent, grew up, you know, basically with not very much. k can a nice guy really succeed in today's republican party? >> you know, i'm not sure that's the question. first of all, he succeeded in south carolina. i think you've got to give him that. >> for the presidency specifically? >> well, what his lane is, i think it's the senator lane, right? practically every senator serving imagines themselves president one day. and we haven't seen any of them get in. you know, i'm a renegade republican right now who barely likes any republican. i happen to like tim scott. i happen to find him unifying, optimistic, a happy person. and it's probably the reason i

like him and i like the idea of him coming into this race is because i compare him to the godzilla and king kong who are going to be donald trump and ron desantis, both of whom are full of anti-everything grievances, anger, conspiracy theories, fights against lgbtq and ap his history, black history. the naacp is issuing travel advisories against going to florida. so, the idea of having somebody who wants to offer an optimistic solution for america is really appealing to me, even if he has zero chance of winning. >> does he have zero chance of winning? >> not zero, but it's not high. listen, today was a great day for tim scott, but the announcement day is always the best day for a candidate. it's going to be a challenge for now. right now you cannot get into the race and ignore donald

trump. he's polling more than double digits ahead. to your point, the evangelical lane was the stronghold in republican politics. you would carry that, win iowa, and go on. that changed under donald trump. i don't know that i think that's the strongest voting bloc. and by the way, someone who won iowa, which is somewhere i think tim scott will fare very well, has not gone on to win the presidency since george bush in 2000. you have to think about how the party has changed to this nationally populist party. i see pence and tim scott in similar lanes, both men i have a lot of respect for, likable, nice, kind people. it's a good juxtaposition, but it's going to be hard to get steam without taking on the elephant in the room. >> i also noted that, first of all, tim scott is not running this sort of, like, hard anti-trump candidacy. and trump, in turn, is praising tim scott. he put on truth social, good luck to senator tim scott in entering the republican

presidential primary race. it's rapidly loading up with lots of people, and tim is a big step up from ron desanctimonious, who is unelectable. good luck. not only opportunity zones but, you know, the criminal justice reform was also led by tim scott. trump doesn't want to talk about that for other reasons. but what do you make of trump really kind of saying nice things here? >> i don't think he sees him as a threat. i don't think he sees him as somebody who can win, and that's why he's saying nice things about him. it also goes to what tim scott is saying about donald trump, which is nothing. but i think that he doesn't see him as a threat. tim scott is coming into the race with $22 million in his war chest. that's more than any presidential candidate has ever started with. so, that's a plus. but you can't win with just money. >> a few more days until ron desantis gets in the race. >> he's not having people call other people.

he's already got the money. it's sitting there. we'll see what happens. you can't win with just money. he can try to get that evangelical base, but, you know, i don't think donald trump believes he can. and quite frankly, i don't either. >> here's the thing, speaking of money, tim scott also has what i like to call a billionaire sugar daddy in larry ellison, who has pledged to spend a lot of money, like, $30 million, maybe, to support him. but the question is not about how valuable is that money, but does that actually make it harder for the gop field to narrow, which it would eventually have to do if they want -- if there are people like alyssa, who don't want donald trump to be the nominee? >> the field will narrow will people start losing primaries. it's too difficult to engage in as a lark. for tim scott, it's a free ride for him. he just won re-election. he's got this big, fat war chest. he's got senior members of his conference who are supporting

him. if he wants to be a big shot, play on the national stage, be a more senior senator so to speak or set himself up for 2028, all of that is available to him, you know, if and as he runs with the help of the oracle fortune from larry ellison. >> that's what you can't forget. i don't want to be cynical but i'm going to be for a minute. the statements that donald trump put out after they were announced were not hitting them, was not criticizing them, tiny dig at nikki haley. i think these are people that see themselves as if they're not able to get to where they need to, they're top of the list for vp picks. >> i think trump is irritated by ron desantis and he should be. i am a floridian. but for donald trump, ron desantis would not have won the republican primary the first time he won. so, i think donald trump sees him as an ungrateful wink who, you know, has ridden his coat

tails and is now biting the hand that fed him. he is not wrong. i don't think he's got the same issue with the rest of them. >> yeah, clearly see trump sees des desantis as the one and only significant threat in the field right now. coming up, a dangerous turn in the war in ukraine, now an attack inside russia. find out who is being blamed for that. yet another mysterious death of a russian official who has been critical of the war. christiane amanpour is live in the studio next.

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tonight, the war in ukraine is officially being fought on russian territory. two groups of russian nationals aligned with ukraine claimed responsibility for attacks in russia's southwestern region of bellrod. russia has accused the so-called sabotage groups of crossing over from ukraine into russia to carry out more combat missions. unlike recent attacks on russian soil, ukraine acknowledged the

cross-border operation this time, insisting only that the groups acted of their own volition. but this is notable. it's a notable change in tune, as ukrainians try to counter russia's claim of victory in bakhmut, the site of this war's deadliest battle. and as entry grows over the death of yet another russian official who died suddenly after reportedly criticizing the kremlin. cnn's chief international anchor christiane amanpour is joining me now. christiane we're going to get to the death of that russian official in a minute, but i want to start with the attacks in bole rod. the fact that these groups were able to get over the border and carry out these attacks tells you what about russia's ability to police its own boundaries? >> it's classic sabotage. it's classic counteroffensive by insurgents. the ukrainians are not claiming they're part of the ukrainian army. and we've seen several attacks

inside russia over the last many months. let's take the drone attack on the kremlin. i spoke to a former russian mp who are defected and went to ukraine, and he told me that he believed that was an act of sabotage by russian partisans, in other words anti-kremlin russian partisans. and there have been a number of attacks. there was the pro-russian military blogger who was killed in st. petersburg. there was another high official early on who was killed in the kremlin, the friend of putin's. and this is clearly is ramping up. and that is what they're claiming to be, anti-kremlin russian partisans. >> the other part of this that the ukrainian government sort of acknowledging some kind of affinity here but also these attackers were carrying ukrainian gear and kukrainian weaponry. historically in this conflict, there has been a concern about

escalation that might cause the war to get out of hand. is that concern waning? >> i don't know about waning. you can tell the u.s. government, the biden administration has invoked the slogan world war iii, i'm not going odo anything that leads to world war iii. they started by saying we're not going to give long range missiles to ukrainians because we don't want them to attack inside russia with any of the weaponry that nato gives. and you've seen as the war has progressed and as the battlefield changes, nato, most particularly the united states, ups the ante in terms of what weaponry they're giving. so, first, it was no, no, no on long raing missiles. then they got them. this was no, no, no on the antiaircraft defense. then they got the patriots. then it was no, no, no on the fighter jets. then the u.s. this weekend -- they're going to get the training. and the u.s. apparently is waning any prohibition on its allies giving ukraine those

fighter jets. it's very important that if the united states policy is for ukraine to win, which it keeps saying, that then they need the actual weaponry to do it. and even i spoke to one of the top generals a year ago -- a year ago -- in april. they said, we need antiair defense, long range missiles, ammunition and everything. >> you saw ukraine and president zelenskyy pressing that case at the g7 over the weekend. we started by talking about this death, this mysterious death on an airplane of the deputy science minister, peter kuch ren coe. he was critical of putin and he centrally told a journalist this, save yourself and your family. leave as soon as possible. it is no longer possible to leave. they take away our passports. they are all taken hostage. nobody can say anything, otherwise we are immediately crushed like bugs. there are these partisan attacks, these separate -- you know, these anti-putin regime

attacks carrying out in russia. and this mysterious death -- >> it's one of several. it's one of several. >> by our count it's been at least 11 russian officials. what does this all come together to mean for you? >> well, essentially, we know that this is not resistance. this is basically people who do not agree with the war. and putin has silenced, or they have met mysterious deaths. many, many of them, whether they're journalists, whether they're officials, whether they're private business people, and according to this journalist who you're quoting on a telegram channel, he writes that this individual, this deputy minister, had urged him to leave, had said what we all know, that no dissent is -- by the kremlin, none whatsoever. we also know there are divisions about this war, that those who oppose it anywhere near putin's circle are silenced.

they're not allowed to express themselves or the press, anything even remotely on social media that's even vaguely critical or mentions anything other than the pro-war propaganda is silence. and i think that is -- this is what's happening. we're not sure. we do not know how this man died, and he is, by his own account, according to this journalist, because of his anxiety over this war, not only did he leave, but he said he took handfuls of antidepressants and all sorts of pills. so, we don't know how he died. >> but it's one of many mysterious -- >> and there's no doubt there's dissent against putin, although the vast majority are still, you know, hostage to his war. >> yeah, and afraid, rightfully so, for their lives. christiane amanpour, thank you very much. coming up next for us, uber -- diversity chief for seminars called, don't call me karen. find out what happened there, and why minority employees are calling foul. plus, after being seen on a

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there's new fallout tonight for ride share company, uber, after it hosted a "don't call me karen" panel. the event left its employees irate. and now the ride share giant's head of diversity, equity, and inclusion is on leave. black and hispanic employees say that the focus of the sessions were insensitive to people of color. according to "the new york times," employees were concerned the sessions were billed as diving into the spectrum of american white woman's experience and hearing from white women who work at uber with a focus on the karen persona. the invitation said that the conversation was supposed to be open and honest, and uber responded in a statement writing, we have heard that many of you are in pain and upset by yesterday's moving forward session. while it was meant to be a dialogue, it's obvious that those who attended did not feel

heard. let's bring back our panel. and for the uninitiated, karen, is a term that's popularized on the internet basically a white woman calling the police or the manager on people for doing something illegal. where do we even start with this? what do you make of it? >> someone finally speaking up for the plight of the white woman. >> to be fair, i shouldn't have gone to you. >> it's totally fine. i couldn't have taken it seriously reading it. it's almost comical. it's when you go so far in being inclusive that you lose the message behind it. maybe a step too far to put her on leave. she is an asian american woman who i think went overboard trying to be so inclusive. it's absurd. you're talking about a history of racism and things we're grappling with in terms of social justice. and to equate that with the struggle of being a white woman

is not equivalent. >> is this backlash to the backlash? companies are worried about being too diverse or getting hit for diversity, equity, and inclusion programs? >> no. i think black people were offended. and they're offended because as if don't call me karen is a slur equivalent to the n-word, something that has this historic means and trauma behind it. and karen is something that came out a couple of years ago, and it's not the same thing. a black woman stood up in a meeting saying, how are we going to stop having these tone deaf conversations? and the way that the diversity officer responded was demeaning. she said, you know, well, you're engaging in strategic ignorance. so, you had this asian woman telling this black woman how to respond to the problems of white

women, and it becomes comical. >> strategically ignorant. that's a great phrase. this sounds like what so many companies try to do on the cheat, this is force people to go to a session. that's the first problem. and then making them sort of go through a process that doesn't necessarily have a lot of science behind it. if people aren't confident in the process and they feel like they're checking a box and they're there against their will and it's not clear what the outcome is supposed to be, you've set yourself up for misunderstanding, which is what they achieved here, and not the diversity and inclusion they sought to do. you can't do it on the cheap. it takes years. there are corporations out there that have had long standing mentorship programs, deep conversations with the leadership of the company, which is really where the change has to start. and it takes a generation before you -- xerox, i remember writing about stuff in the '80s. they had a great diversity program for mid level managers. years later, ursula burns, a

product of that environment, who g grew up in the housing projects in new york city becomes the ceo of a fortune 500 company. it can be done, but it's not done overnight. >> part of this is that there are so many attacks on what you're talking about. those initiatives that were born out of years of research, born out of the fact that racism is real in this country, are being devalued as everybody is just being cancelled when actually these companies do need to deal with racism. >> i'm trying to avoid looking at you because you're a black woman. i'm a hispanic woman. how we talk about this, diving into the spectrum of what a white woman's experience in america, and you're asking a room of hispanic and black women. and they said that they felt they were being scolded. so, look, if that's what the diversity officer is doing, she's obviously got the formula wrong. the negative here and the

tragedy here is that i think it's really important that we have honest, open conversations about race. we are not going to be sensitized to other people's experience unless we hear about them, unless we learn it. i don't know what the black experience is unless i'm hearing it from my friends, i'm hearing it from people i know. so, these conversations are absolutely essentially. unfortunately, in places like florida, the, you know, ground zero for all insanity these days, droougs diversity, equity and inclusion is one of the many things ron desantis has seen fit to ban in state colleges and universities. and we must ensure diversity, equity and inclusion is done ethically, seriously, and these conversations are being had. after you and i stop laughing about this, which is going to take me about a day or two, i think we have to focus on how we get these conversations going.

>> to play devil's advocate here, isn't there an argument that what this diversity, equity, and inclusion officer was trying to do was have a hard conversation about how a lot of white people do feel like they are unfairly called racist, that they are at risk of being put on the internet and shamed and fired. maybe that's what she was trying to do. >> maybe that's what she's trying to do. >> but there's a way to do it. >> you have to have a foundation of respect first, and i think you have to have other people be heard other than you, right? so, you can't have that conversation without first having a real relationship. you can't have a real conversation with people that you don't know about topics that are this hurtful and this serious. >> maybe she should have asked the black and white and brown women in the room to, you know, come up with how we talk about this. because i think we have to talk about these things, and they're important. but let's just remember, you know, the karen persona is. the karen persona is not about a

white woman. it's about a privileged racist white woman that is doing things that discriminate against people of color. >> and specifically what we're talking about when the cops are called on a black person, right, in the situation where they're not doing anything illegal, is that it potentially puts their life at risk. i mean, we've seen that happen. i just want to read real quick what one employee had to say. i think when people are called karens, it's implied it's someone who has little empathy to others or bothered by minorities, others that don't look like them. why can't bad behavior not be called out? this was said in a slack channel at uber. i think that's a fair point. bad behavior is bad behavior. it ought to be able to be called out, even in the context of tough conversations that need to be had. errol, anna, solomon, and alissa, thank you all very much. never a tough thing to have tough conversations with you all. coming up next for us, a

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lawmakers on capitol hill are calling the drug shortage a national security risk for americans. the nationwide crisis worsened by nearly 30% between 2021 and 2022, with last year seeing a record-breaking high of 295 active drug shortages. cancer patients will be among the hardest-hit with two dozen chemotherapy drugs currently in short supply. according to the fda, consumers can expect that hundreds more shortages will come soon. joining me now to discuss this is dr. christy -- college of preventive medicine. dr. pernell, why is this happening? what's your understanding of the source of this issue? >> whenever you have a drug shortage, is it an issue around shipping? is it an issue around manufacturing? is there a problem with a raw

material or raw ingredient? or is there a regulatory issue? what we're finding to cause this historic once in a decade shortage is that we have too few manufacturers who are responsible for some desperately needed drugs, whether they are cancer drugs, whether they're antibiotics, or even children's tylenol. >> was it affected by the pandemic in the sense that we've been seeing supply chain issues across a lot of different kinds of industries? is that part of what's happening here? >> it is. and it goes back to the root causes i was describing. if you think about manufacturing, what's been happening with these low-cost generic drugs? either have they moved to overseas production or you only have one or two companies. when that is happening on labelling, we don't know exactly which ingredients are being produced where, it's a root breakdown, right? you think of a bottleneck. and during the pandemic, we learned that our supply chain not just for drugs but for many things was not as robust or as

redundant as it needed to be. >> is enough being done to fix this? we're talking about life-saving drugs here, especially for people like cancer patient who is have very few options. >> right. there are too many temporal solutions, right? you're hearing it described as an all of government response because this is a devastating shortage to the public's health. but my certain is there are too many work arounds. we're going to have to look at ways to subsidize the cost of these generic drugs. we have to look at why there's greater demand in describing behavior changes. we have to look at how do we drive quality and investment and manufacturing around low profit manufacturing drugs. but there's more that needs to be done but it's going to cost to do it. >> thank you so much. and ahead on cnn, an ai-generated fake image of an explosion at the pentagon is making trounds on multiple verified twitter account ps.

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