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>> i reflect on my career when i'm done, but i don't know. >> reporter: just a bit ago lakers general manager said, quote, lebron's given as much to the game of basketball as anyone who's ever played. when you do that, you earn the right to decide whether you're going to give more. lebron seems like he has more to give. his 31 points in the first half of the western conference finals are the most in any half of his playoff career. that equates to 3 1/2 entire nba seasons. legendary stuff. >> such a legend. love him. thank you very much, coy wire reporting. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "out front" next, antiputin russian fighters speaking
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exclusively to cnn as blow back in the country over russia's invasion seems to be growing. cnn learning about the counter offensive. plus, nearly every single teen in america is glued to social media. it goes way younger than teens. the surgeon general has a serious warning tonight. the research shows this. it's not safe. what's he going to do to keep his own kids away? and it's a story you will see first "out front," can a.i. read your brain? you'll see it all for yourself. let's go "out front." good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front russians versus russians. a new and violent challenge to putin's russia tonight. a group of russians fighting on behalf of ukraine are claiming they have liberated several russian villages along the russian border. they're posting videos.
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there are no russian guards that appear in any of these videos. they're guardless checkpoints. some of the vehicles these men are using are american made tactical vehicles and we're trying to understand more about this. our matthew chance actually spoke to one of these anti-putin russian fighters who wanted to remain anonymous and asked him why he has turned on putin now. >> translator: our task is to heavily damage the repressive part of the russian system. >> we're going to have more on what that fighter told matthew in a minute. these incursions on hush shan territory have the governor of belgorod, which is the region that had seen the latest attack, pointing the finger at putin's defense ministry. here he is. >> translator: why is our border so porous? i have even more questions than you for the ministry of defense. >> pretty amazing, right?
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the governor of a region slamming the ministry of defense. this is a russian governor of the border region of ukraine. the ministry of defense is blaming ukraine for this incursion. top ukrainian official tells our fred pleitgen that his country had no part in the attack. >> translator: there is a part of russians who are on the side of life and who went to deal with the darkness in russia now. >> these groups and who is in them, it's complicated. in response to the attacks, putin is going to extraordinary lengths to justify the invasion that has led to 200,000 russian casualties. here putin is today. he met with the chairman of what's called the russian constitutional court. this man pulls out a map from the 17th century to show putin and to make a very specific point be about ukraine. listen to it for yourself.
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>> translator: we found a copy of a map from the 17th century created during the time of louie xiv. in the middle of the 17th, in the second half of the 17th century created by the fresh themselves. why did i bring it? it has no ukraine. >> translator: of course soviet rule created soviet ukraine. no ukraine existed in the history of humankind until then. >> you go back to the time of louie xiv go further and see kyiv was the founder of moscow. that's the absurdity putin wanted today. fred pleitgen is standing by. you're hearing about a new explosion in belgorod tonight? >> you're absolutely right, erin. while vladimir putin seems to
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indicate there was no ukraine, the russians are feeling the heat from ukraine. in fact, right now just a couple of minutes ago the governor of the belgorod region said there had been another possible strike by a drone in the belgorod region. that some sort of munition was dropped on a roadway and damaged a car there. that's something we've seen several times over the past couple of days. also in light of those incursions that have been happening. despite the fact that as matthew has been reporting and we've been reporting, those are russians going into ukrainian territory. russians against russians. in the form of dmitry peskov is trying to pin this on the ukrainians. he says this believes this all shows russia is under attack from ukraine and, therefore, russia's war against ukraine is justified. now i also asked the national security adviser of ukraine whether or not the ukrainians are afraid there could be massive retaliation from the
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russians after this, principals another massive missile strike. the russians are striking us almost every day. there's 1,400 missiles already. what else is going to come? at the same time, the ukrainians are also preparing for the big counter offensive. i asked him where that stands. here's what he had to say. >> translator: we are clearly aware of when, where, how and what should start. the final decision is up to the president and the security staff. when the decision is made, russia will definitely feel it. >> reporter: of course, one of the things we also had to talk about, erin, this is very important in that context, is the situation in bakhmut where the russian force had said they took the entire city. national security adviser telling me that is not true. ukrainians still have troops in the city. the fact that the ukrainians are holding out in bakhmut and trying to strike back is a key factor in the ukrainians being
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able to prepare for the counter offensive that could happen at any time. >> thank you very much, fred, in kyiv. now who are these fighters taking on russia on russian soil. >> matthew chance is "out front". >> reporter: it was a bold cross border raid exposing the weakness of russian defenses. finally the increasingly brazen armed groups who say they're russians fighting against ukraine. moscow dismisses them as ukrainian saboturs who have now been defeated with a barrage of ferocious russian strikes carried out on its own soil. defense officials say at least 70 of the fighters, some in u.s.-made humvee armored vehicles, have now been killed. but for the kremlin, attacks
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inside russia, like a series of damaging train derailments over the past year, attacks on crucial fuel storage facilities have become an embarrassing feature of its war. the kremlin itself was targeted with drone strikes which russia blamed on ukraine. russian groups who say they're fighting against the kremlin are increasingly emerging from the shadows. cnn made contact with a fighter said to be from the national republican army. an anti-putin group operating inside russia. his voice and features have been disguised. >> translator: a fire at the military facility. the death of the agent of the regime. or a day of inactivity on the railway that supplies the russian army. for us, these are all successful missions. >> reporter: of course, not
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every attack in russia is carried out by a member of an organized group. some are furious with the direction the country is going taking matters into their own hands. but some of the more shocking, carefully organized attacks have used explosives to kill pro-kremlin figures like russian military blogger in april in a st. petersburg camp. they say the suspected bomber acted at the behest of ukraine, a claim the country denies. partisans say they want the kremlin to feel fear like this too. >> translator: our task is to heavily damage the repressive parts of the russian system. we want to weaken the power that suppresses the people. the main factor in this is fear. this russian regime fears war against it.
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>> reporter: especially a war increasingly being fought at home. well, erin, tonight the incursion by anti-kremlin fighters into russia appears to be over. there are some conflicting reports about how many russian forces there are. they say their mission was to show ordinary russians it is possible to stand up, resist, fight the putin regime. they say it was a success. >> matthew chance, thank you very much. i want to go now to the senior fellow at the atlantic council. former spokesman for the security and cooperation of europe and the director of the international security program. he also served as adviser of the commanding general of u.s. special operations forces in afghanistan. he has just returned from seeing ukrainian troops training and speaking with a number of officials, ukrainian officials as well. sepp, let me start with you.
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matthew's report speaking to the russian fighters, to some of them. they're staging attacks inside russia. they're supporting ukraine. they say their goal is the complete liberation of russia. let's be honest here, the truth is you don't know a lot about these groups. some of the fighters might be extreme. we simply don't know a lot about them at this point. we don't know if ukraine is working with them directly. what are you learning from ukrainian officials, sepp? >> i'm learning one thing is what they're trying not to do is conduct attacks targeting russian civilians. they saw the mistakes the chechnyians made with subway attacks in moscow. they're trying to stay away from those activities. there is a little bit of sabotage going on. most of the activity we're seeing is targeting weapons depots, railheads, fuel depots that really are going to impact
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russia's ability to fight a war. that's where most of the ukrainian attacks and sabotage operations are headed. >> with the attacks happening in belgorod is happening very important. the fred pleitgen was standing there when there was a rolf tanks coming in, from belarus and belgorod. belgorod has been the heart of the russian invasion and now you're seeing attacks there. >> yeah, as he correctly pointed out, we're still putting the pieces together. if this is legitimate, it starts to happen in different places in russia, this could represent a tipping point for mr. putin. secondly, this could be part of the ukrainian strategy of the "shock and awe" counter offensive but in a subtle way. it would be brilliant on the part of the ukrainians if it had something to do with it. it's happening at a time when they are very stretched. >> you have 600 miles here on the front line.
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then we talked about thinly stretched. you saw the ukrainian troops training. you just returned from europe. what did you learn? >> erin, i learned a couple of things. one is that the primary focus of the ukrainians is to move from the war of attrition, to one of maneuver or mobility. that means trying to punch through russian lines, identify weak spots on russian lines. using satellite imagery, intelligence, the other waves, make sure ukrainians have logistics they can get up to front line forces that have punched through, spare parts, munitions, fuel. that's a critical part. so speed and mobility are key parts of this counter offensive campaign right now. >> they're obviously prepared to do it. let me ask you, michael. putin is at the same time cracking down on what soldiers
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deserve. >> no, but the lower house of parliament approved amendments to a lot. c conscription. they take their passports away. what does this say to you? >> clearly a sign of desperation. mr. putin has eluded to this phraseology before. i think this, erin, also falls into the russian play books of using these individuals as meat grinder and i think the russians are showing they're not as prepared as they thought. there was a bit of a surprise with all of the missiles and drones coming. where i'm currently living -- >> south of ukraine? >> right, exactly. out of these by now. but the ukrainians are playing a very careful game 6 this.
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i've spoken to the defense minister. this will not be a "shock and awe" type of offensive. >> that can be psychologically crucial as well. seth, one thing i wanted to discuss with you. you have the man from the constitutional -- not remembering the exact name. present the map, guess what, ukraine's not on it. what does it say to you, this is the kind of stuff being put out by putin right now? >> well, erin, i had several senior european borders say they do not expect the russians to let up. they consider ukraine part of russian territory and they're not going to stop. what this tells me very specifically is go from an information operation to a sort of disinformation operations
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perspective. many believe this, certainly put continue, that ukraine is part of russian territory. they think of this in the imperial russian state perspective. as people try to think about if this is going to end by a peace sett settlement, i don't think that's how it's going to end. the skree dp. the thank you both very much. trump faces the judge in the stormy daniels case. the first day of trial is batesed right in the middle of election year, 2024. ty cobb will be back out front. now a new report by the nation's surgeon general, these sites and absolute are bad. how is the surgeon general
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criminal trial related to the stormy daniel hush money payment is scheduled for the middle of 2024 election. a judge setting march 25th, 2024, as the start of trump's trial on falsifying business records. a judge making the brief court hearing announcement. judge could be seen speaking and gesturing to his attorney. he only said, yes, i do,ing when asked if he understood the judge's instruction on what he can and cannot change it. here we are with a trial date. a trial date of march 25th. you've got a nominee. unclear how this will go at this time. the point is it's in the hard of the primary season. could this mean strump side lined from campaigning in any way? >> this chart date to however
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long it is. he will be here facing criminal charges. a real historic first of having a leading presidential candidate on trial. the judge made clear they could not accept any commitments personal or private. this was a quick hearing, 15 minutes. trump appeared by video. he acknowledged that he had received this protective order which bans the former president from posting on social media, any material that he seefgs from prosecutors, witness statements, any grand jury testimony. they don't want that getting into the public domain because of trump's inflammatory statements on social meade yeah and the district attorney. the jurge explained to trump the
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consequences saying there could be sanctions, everything going at the way up to contempt. this was a very brief hearing that he wanted to make clear this was not a gag order. other than the protective order which is in the judge's view narrowly tailored, nothing in this case are stop trump from campaigning as he's making another run for the white house. erin? >> kara, thank you. the former trump white house lawyer, ty cobb. we have a date. march of 2024. march 25th, 2024, to be exact. right in the middle of the election. is it possible there could be a verdict in the stormy daniels case before the election?
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>> yes. if it, indeed, starts at that time there will undoubtedly being a verdict. the only thing that will slow the trial down, went back to 34 charges which were available. it will take a little lin longe do. >> you'll have that done by the ele election. let's talk about the other -- >> if it starts -- >> if it starts then, if it starts on march 25th. >> the doj, special counsel, last week you said an ind indictment, you're talking about obstruction. cnn has learned jack smith
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subpoenaed the trump org for business dielgts and the focus is whether trump may have not stolen. >> you had already thought and what do you read into these subpoenas? >> i think the most important issue in interpreting the subpoenas is when were they issued? are they recent or were they issued when there was a lot of chatter about trurk, nuclear controls or a leader, if there's a day it doesn't affect my opinion, if they are -- that could delay the case. i think they would want to put in the evidence they have with regard to any proper dissemination and use of these documents in order to heighten
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the significance of the abuses this were happening with regard to counter production of those documents and men from na, ra and justice department. >> at the very least what we're seeing here is the council looking for a few markets. you can say i will go to jail. >> yes. >> what happens though if this trial does not wrap up before the general election, trump wins? does he part himself, it all goes away? >> well, so those -- those are all oddly -- those are possibilities. it sounded a little bit like putin's description on the back of ukraine.
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it's real. the sad thing is nobody knows. this is so unprecedented. the issue of whether trump has the authority to pardon himself is a matter of both sides of the debate. i tend to this -- the timing is if there's already been a verdict in the federal case, that will be -- you would assume that could be consequential during the election. if the game is first ongoing, if he is elected, you know, he doesn't be have the power to pardon himself until he's actually inaugurated. if there's a verdict, say, before the election in november, sensing could easily occur in
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advance of him taking off. >> it says he has to go to jail. >> right. he is sentencing himself from jln. >> that's absolutely incredible, as you say, except for reality we could be looking at. all right, ty, thank you. >> always good to be with you. take care. you, too. next, depression, anxiety, eating disorders. those are some of the effects. and they use it all 12 1/2% of the day. plus, it's a scary thought. can artificial intelligence read our mind?
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murthy. you paint a frightening picture of the reality of the detrimental effect social media can have on young people. what surprised you the most about what you learned in this? >> well, erin, i am really concerned. i'm concerned as surge gone general, i'm concerned as a doctor and a father about the potential impact of the plat forms as a kid. the whole reason i embarked on this effort to create this advisory for the american public is parents all over the country had been asking me about social media. it's the single most common topic they ask about and they want to know, is this safe for my kid. what we found were two credible things. one is there is not enough evidence to say social media is in fact sufficiently safe for our kids. there is a growing body of evidence saying social media is linked to harm.
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teens are spending 3 1/2 hours on average. many are spending much more than that. the key point is when kids are spending more than 3 hours on average, they face more than half of that. that's profound. there are more concerning facets. what we have to understand from all of this is that it is urgent we protect our kids and make sure they're safe. we've done that for medications, cars and we haven't asked the parents to inspect the car. we've set safety standards and required manufacturers to abide by those. >> that is the question. you and i talked about this. you talk about 95% of teenagers using social media, but i was am amazed, 40% of 8 to 12 years old use social media.
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frankly, i was shocked by that. when you say we have to do something about this, it has to be collective. parents agreeing. being excluded from the social media, the child feels iets so he -- isolated and left out. what are we supposed to do? >> this is an incredibly difficult situation that we have allowed parents to be put in here where we have the technology previous generations never had to contend with. the it flaws how our children should perceive the world. what we've asked parents to do is oig out how to manage this with their kids. that is utterly unreasonable. we absolutely need policy makers to step up and establish safety standards and actually enforce them. we need them to ensure the identity of kids is protected.
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we need to ensure they have companies share their data. the independent researchers say they've requested the full data. we need policy makers to take action. >> yes. >> tech companies need to design their platforms with health and safety in line. many are set to maximize the amount of time. >> that's the whole point. they're trying to make you addicted to them. >> what i care about as surgeon general is the health and safety and the security of all of the kids. there are steps that you can take now. i want to mention them because parents can feel like, gosh, waking for other civic action. today parents can start conversations with their kids about their social media use. you'll understand what platforms they're using, how they're making them feel. kids need to understand the red
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flags. what to look out for. bullying, harassment. it worries me, erin, six out of ten girls say they have been contacted by a stranger in ways that make them feel uncomfortable. parents can make sure they are creating stress free zones. this could be the same at dinner time. knowing you're with family, that will be a tech free dream. we don't allow our kids to use social media. i say all of this knowing these changes can be challenging. it's hard to take the phones, devices, social media away from our kids. this is why it's important to help one another, partner with one another and there is strength in numbers there. we have to be there for each
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other. >> there is. social and there is something to connect with. i can imagine thousands of countless others. >> thanks so much, erin. there is so much more to discuss on this topic. sanjay gaup at that has covered this extensively. go to cnn.com/health. ron desantis set to take on his run with elon musk. plus, artificial intelligence is getting better and better. now can it read our minds? that is absolutely terrifying. the our donie o'sullivan had his brain scanned. you will see it first hehere ou front.
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tonight ron desantis teaming up with elon musk. desantis will announce he's running for president during a live streamed conversation with elon musk on twitter tomorrow night. musk today saying, quote, it will be the first time something like this is happening with real time questions and answers unscripted. he's not planning to delete it.
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he doesn't need a youtube campaign. harry anton joins me now. there is so much in the macro and micro world, which is the nuclear detonation. >> sure. >> but adjoining partnership with ee mod dear right for. how much does it help desantis with republican workers? >> look, elon musk is a very popular man. favorable ratings morning republicans. back in 2017, it was 27%. look now, somehow the unfair view dropped despite the fact
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mean poem is quite the thing. musk is well liked within the public. >> desantis is focused on republican circles. he wants to shore that up. he then would be looking over his shoulder -- no matter what organization. what's the reason you go on? if you look at who is on at this time. look at that, cher the people on the field. if you look at who the media follows, what should form tshoud they use. getting on twicer you can magnify the message.
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>> you can rail against public media and what's ironic about all of this. the person who used to do twitter is now trump. he is on truth social. it's still been overthe year. what is he using that trump used so successfully. >> ron desantis has far fewer than donald trump does. only 4 million all of a sudden you have that magnified message out there ron desan tris can be -- harry, thank you. >> thank you. searchers handling the hunt for madeleine mcgann. where they are looking and why they are doing it is tonight at
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tonight, more fallout from this fake ai-generated picture of an explosion at the pentagon. it led to a dip in the stock market yesterday. russian state television released a statement saying why it shared it. this picture managed to fool several major news outlets full of clever and attractive people, allegedly. i'm not sure why people's attractiveness is relevant. it comes as ai researchers are experimenting with reading minds. that's where this is going. minds like our own. this is a report you will see here first. >> you are reading people's minds. >> we don't like to use the term mind reading. >> these neuroscientists say they have made a major breakthrough. they figured out how to
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translate brain activity into words. >> these are different images. >> they published a paper explaining how they had research volunteers listen to audio clips while having their brains scanned. ai i'll goralgorithms were able figure out what they were listening to by watching their brains. >> it's crazy. you can watch how blood flows through the brain. using ai and gbt and everything else, translate it into words. >> yeah. it's wild this works when you put it that way. >> to test it out, a professor and i had our brains scanned while listening to "wizard of oz." >> big brain. obnoxiously big. >> we have a picture of yr our brain. >> i was scanned first followed by the professor. capturing images of the changes in our brain's blood flow as we
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listen and showing how our brains interpreted those words. >> when she finished her meal, she was startled. >> you can see that we are getting recordings every two seconds while he is listening to a story. we will feed this through the decoder and try to predict the the story he is listening to. >> the next morning, the results were in. it's been 24 hours since we got our brains scanned. you can confirm i have a brain. >> absolutely. we were able to decode some stuff from my brain. not so much from yours. this is one from my brain. this is from "the wizard of oz." the left side is the words that i heard. when she finished her meal and was about to go back to the road of yellow brick, she was startled to hear a deep groan nearby. i was about to head back to school and i hear this strange voice calling out to me. it gets some things right. was about to go head back.
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it completely misses some things like the road of yellow brick versus school. it gets this nice example, she hears something and then instead of a deep groan, it says a deep voice calling out. >> pretty incredible to think that was about to head back is something that just by scanning your brain. >> yeah. that's one of the things that's surprising about this. it can get things like that. these entire phrases of exact words. it hears the same segment for you. >> we expected mine not to be great. >> we haven't trained the model on you. the whole day i would be fine, but she wanted me to make it to her place. i got a little excited about it. >> the reason it wasn't able to decode my brain was because the technology currently needs people to sit in the machine for more than 16 hours so the ai models can train on specific people's brains. are we going to live in a world where i can walk by somebody on
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the street and they will hold something up to my head and they will know what i'm thinking? >> currently, we are very far from that. that might never be possible. be can't completely rule it out. as far as we know, that certainly won't be possible in the next few decades. the real potential application of this is actually helping people who are unable to speak without them needs to get neurosurgery. >> jerry explained how they used it to help decode the brain. the gpt model is made up of millions of pages of text that the ai trains on and learns how sentences are constructed and how people talk and think. >> it made our predictions better. >> it doesn't just work listening to audio. the professor showed us what happened when he watch aid moe the professor showed us what happened when he watch ad a movie. the technology is able to decode what his eyes are seeing. >> she took my hand and held it
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to her lips. she kissed it. i smiled. she pulled me in for a hug. i got her back for about hours. i had to stop the bleeding and gave her my shirt to put over it. pretty good. a good description of what was happening. >> should we be scared by the work people like you are doing? >> we think it's really important to continually evaluate the implications of brain decoding and also to start thinking about enacting policies that protect mental privacy and regulate what brain data can be used for. >> i notice i'm sitting here with my arms crossed. i feel very threatened by this. it's amazing. but it's terrifying. >> it is. as you can see, it works in very controlled situations. particularly that video where the description of the video that he is watching is so accurate. it couldn't really figure out my
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brain. >> which is a very big brain, i must say. >> i think it's a big head. there's not a lot of density in there. i think they did say that it has to be trained on a person's brain for many hours. on top of this, the fact that it's chatgpt linked to this technology, it's just incredible. >> it's impossible to stop, terrifying and incredible all at once. thank you so very much. thanks to you for watching that. thank god people can't read our minds yet. "ac 360 "c" starts now. take controlol of your financial future to empower w what's next. ♪ these are the people, who help you stay well. ♪ ♪ searching lower prices, ♪ ♪ and brands you love on the shelves. ♪ behind the counter, ♪ seaor in the aisles,es, ♪ healthier's bett when it happens together. cvs pharmacy. healthier happens together. how to grow delicious herbs:
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