thanks for joining us tonight. "cnn tonight" with alisyn camerota is starting right now. alisyn, hello. >> good evening, everyone. i'm alisyn, camerota, welcome to "cnn tonight." if unconventional is what ron desantis was going for tonight he got it. he decided to launch his campaign on twitter. the live stream crashed, the sound cut in and out but eventually desantis made his case. >> you can set your clock to january 20, 2025 at high noon because on the west side of the u.s. capitol i will be taking the oath of office as the 47th president of the united states. no excuses, i will get the job done. >> tonight our panel shares their take on what this means for the race for the white house. plus the culture wars strike again. this time target is pulling some

rainbow themed products from store shelves before pride month before workers reportedly made customers feel unsafe. and tina turner dies at the age of 83. so many classic songs, so many electric performances and her challenging life story was an inspiration to millions. so tonight we'll play you our favorite tina performances. ♪ what's love got to do, got to do with it what's love but a secondhand emotion ♪ ♪ what's love got to do with it, who needs a heart when a heart can be broken ♪ >> yep, we're going to have some music tonight in the program. let's begin with ron desantis glitchy twitter launch of his campaign. we have former trump white house kmubzs director alissa bera griffon and scott jennings who

worked for president george w. bush. great to have all of you. joe, let me start with you. what did you take away from ron desantis' announcement launch? >> look, i think obviously it was unconventional but i think in some ways there could be method to the madness giving a little grace to the governor. i think you'll realize he has an uphill battle, that perhaps he waited a bit too long going back to the when he was the first republican governor going back to jeb bush to win miami-dade and now time fill that void. and as they say in politics if you're explaining you're losing. and everything to disney and all the things that have befallen him. so i think he had to go out there and do this kind of quest to do the behind the scenes work with the state legislator. i think that was his approach. >> did he do it well or badly? >> i think the video was effective, but i think more people are talking about the failure to launch on it twitter

space than the actual video itself. >> alissa, why didn't he just go to a beach bar in florida surrounded by an army of supporters? >> listen, i give him opponents for doing something creative. i said this morning it's going to be either brilliant or disastrous. it was closer to the latter. the rules of the campaign launch is first do no harm, second look presidential. they did harm on the tech front, but looking presidential it was a very strange platform, having him with two other people. you can't even see him. comm staffers, event staffers spend months to the tee planning these things to make you see the candidate and say that is the next leader of the free world. and him kind of hob knobbing with elon musk about a variety of important issues, but off camera and this other gentleman jumping in, it did not feel presidential. that said he's got a massive war chest. i think he still has a chance to go only up in the polls, but it was not a good launch. >> scott, you wrote a piece for

cnn.com talking about he's quite a formidable contender against donald trump. do you still feel that way? >> yeah, i do. i mean the launch today is another tactic in his quest to completely and totally bypass the traditional political media. he goes all the way to twitter spaces to have his campaign announcement because he just doesn't want to do it with the main stream media. i don't know if this is going to work or not. no one's ever tried this before. traditionally when you run for president you're desperate for media attention. he's dedicate today the proposition republicans hate the media, they don't trust the media, so we're going to communicate with you in a way that by-passes them. you heard that conversation with elon musk today. they said they raised a million dollars in the first hour they had their thing tonight. i don't think this is going to be determinative about how this race turns out, but i do think it's a window into their

thinking about how they're going to engage with voters and not with the traditional media. >> john, i'll play a bit more what he said making the case for his accomplishments in florida, so listen to this. >> florida stand for the protection of children. we believe jamming gender ideology in elementary school is wrong. disney obviously supported injecting gender ideology in elementary school. they did oppose our parents rights legislation. and the fact is when they opposed it, that was a big deal because for 50 years anytime disney wanted something in florida politics, they pretty much got it. >> okay. your thoughts. >> ron desantis' fight on mickey mouse has not worked out well for him. >> he's sticking with it. >> sure because he's trying to win a primary. let's be clear joe just said these are fights that have diminished him from seeming like the next generation of a certain kind of conservatism. one of it reasons it failed isn't only because picking a fight with disney doesn't look

good from an optics standpoint but there's nothing less conservative then punishing organizations from disagreeing with you publicly. let's square that with what used to be chapter and verse in conservatism. he's got nowhere to go but up. obviously he's got a strong lane and an argument to make, but let's not also kid ourselves this launch with twitter space is anything other than but disastrous. it was a disastrous launch from a tech standpoint. it was a mess. there were no visuals. there was no evidence of -- you can say it was disruptive, but it was dysfunctional. >> they started at 500,000, by 6:00 p.m., and took them 20 minutes to get the glitches worked out and when it started it went back up to 300,000. this is according to "the new york times." where do you go from here as the communications director?

what does he do next? >> he needs to go interact with living, breathing people. you saw imagery of him engaging. he has to offset this attack from donald trump that has frankly stuck that he doesn't have a personality, he needs a personality transplant and you only do gnat with interfacing with human beings. >> yes. i think also with part of the problem with the twitter space is it sounded like the type of thing you do on the road to the announcement, where if this had been something he showed up and said i've got the papers in my hand, i showed up and prayed about it and we're going to make an announcement is going to make more sense. it's one of the most effective launch videos i think i've seen -- >> why, what makes it so effective in. >> i think it was clear, concise. i think he was able to lay out his record but juxtaposing that without actually saying it what president trump failed to do over the four years. i think it was an effective video. it problem is 2340e one has seen

or talked about it because we're all here talking about what happened in the twitter space. >> being a happy general is the best way to go about it, and that's something going to be best for him. he was re-elected by 20 points. his policies may be polarizing to some people, but people keep moving into florida, so those are other bench marks that people shouldn't lose sight of. >> scott, do you think his accomplishments in florida will translate nationally? i mean nis disney fight he does seem to be staking a lot of his, you know, credentials, and do you think that translates? >> i think his record translates, certainly. if you look at all the bills that have passed in florida this is right out of the conservative playback of, you know, everything dealing from second amendment rights to life to, you know, cracking down on esg policy. this is all stuff republicans do talk about. do quibble a bit with john's

characterization of desantis' brand of conservatism and it not being traditional. i think teddy roosevelt would beg to differ. the republican party does have something of a history of muscular conservatism when they think it's warranted, and what desantis is talking about is cracking down on corporations which republicans believe are doing great harm to american culture, and so the fight with disney i know it's offensive to everyone who hates the republican party and hates desantis it's actually working with main stream republicans, i promise you. >> hey, buddy, don't go throwing teddy roosevelt around me on this one. this is not about muscular conservatism. this isn't about trust busting and reshaping the economy in a post. industrial age when the middle class felt squeezed and there was massive income equality. this is punishing a private corporation for taking a political position that he disagreed with as governor. >> i think you can make the

argument he did it in a manner that was sloppily and i think the knock on desantis moving forward even if you're talking about the educational reforms put in place, people would say the reforms are such you cannot actually enforce them because they were done in a sloppy manner. i think the issue is not he picked the fight with mickey mouse, i think the issue was that disney was given preces that no other corporation in the country had been given. and at the same time he decided to go about it in a manner that allowed them to say they were singled out -- >> so badly executed. >> last word. i think desantis' team is too online. i think they're following 20% of people are on twitter, only 20% of this country. the number of republican primary voters is even smaller. what people fight about on twitter is not real life. talk about pocketbook issues, did not hear about that today. >> find real humans. scott, thank you. great to have you here. meanwhile coming up she was the queen of rock and roll and nobody not even mcjagger had

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turning ♪ tina turner bringing the house down with her version of "proud mary". her 1971 cover of that ccr song hit number four on the charts and won her a grammy. tina turner died today at her home in switzerland after a long illness. she was 83 years old. i'm back with my panel, former editor-in-chief of ebony magazine. great to have you here. do you have a favorite tina turner moment? >> of all the tina turner moments i was telling your producer i had a mad max moment. let's not forget the iconography, right, looking at tina, but i brought my 83-year-old mother here today who also did her rendition of tina and won all kinds of beauty pageants as a result, but she reminded me of something on the ride here. it's not a moment for me -- it wasn't a particular moment, but

it was a moment in culture when a middle-aged woman makes a return to pop culture and owned stadiums. >> you're right. she was 44 in 1984 when her big album hit came out, and i think like three huge hit songs. >> huge. >> and she was 44. >> 44, 45, 46 she's working this album, she's touring europe. i'm thinking about beyonce right now who's tearing down staldiums in europe, and you don't get that moment without tina turner. you just don't. >> melissa, your awesome tina turner moment. >> she came on mcbeal in the '90s and did a cameo. i was obsessed after that. so i started look up all the hits and dancing along. she was such an icon, and i learned today actually she was the first woman to appear on rolling stone and the first woman of color, and it was actually the second issue of rolling stone in 1967.

so just trailblazer, amazing. the dancing, the whole thing i love her. >> that's awesome. look at that. >> that's a deep, deep cut. >> look, i think for me the thing that strikes out the most is the return but also where she died, right? i think if you look at it through the lens of a woman that said all i want is my name and my voice, right, that said, ike, you can keep the money, escaping that abusive relationship to redefine herself on her own terms -- >> and it was easy to keep her name. there was a leagal battle. >> and the fact she dies in switzerland because she's one of the last generations of people forced to suffer that indignity of having to perform for white people without being able to actually sit in those arenas, without being able to stay ipthose hotels. so i think the legacy of that life she has lived and all the things that happened in between and that classic line by angela

basset what's love got to do with it, i think that's why she holds a special place in the hearts of so many young people from millennials to people among other things. >> angela basset in that movie talked about how powerful it was for her to play that role and how special it was to play that role. john, we love talking about music. >> i've got to go with "proud mary" deep mountain high. those performances, i mean she just tore up the stage, so much energy, so much vitality we're still remembering it top of mind all of us tonight 40 years later. you look at that heat, you look at that fire, i mean just knocking them dead. and she did it over and over again. you read about the tours she did, the shows in the '60s, the other rock stars would just stand there and watch her with their jaws dropping. >> look physically he

staggeringly beautiful she was. >> stunning. >> and stunning. and here's my favorite. it's very hard to outsexy mcjagger. she runs rings around him, literally. this is the 1985 live, it's her and mcjagger. she comes out in a leather mini skirt. he's in some sort of ill-fitting sweat suit. this is a crime upon fashion right here, but anyway look at how much sexier and how much presence she has. she's in stilettos that are this big. she's -- i mean look at this. look at them together at that time. and, by the way, she's four years older than he is, okay. and she is just exuding so much more sex appeal, frankly, and all of her charisma and everything against mcjagger, that icon. >> how'd she never run out of

breath? she'd dance her you know what off and then sing and not miss a beat. it's incredible. >> she's the prototype. >> that's right. >> i was thinking about megan thee stallion, how you don't get anything in modern culture with black women on stage. this woman did it. >> it's the ripples she carries forward. >> it's the ripples. but what do we chalk it up to? it's just innate or her struggle? >> in part i think it's a bit of both. there's something just god given, right? but tina she's a wild girl from the south when the trope about southern girls is they're good girls, but she cannot be contained. this is someone who was a force of nature and was determined to make sure we all knew it. there's just no one better really. >> i think it's the triumph over the adversity. you know, people didn't talk

about domestic abuse that much and have a powerful celebrity couple, she stood up and came back on her own terms and took over the world. that's a spirit. >> that did make the story really profound. thank you all. really appreciate going down memory road and watching all those amazing clips. and we'll be right back. ♪ your eyes i get lost i get washed away ♪

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in just a matter of days the u.s. may not be able to pay its bills. senior sources tell cnn as of tonight the two sides have yet to reach an agreement on the key sticking point of this debt ceiling argument. if and when they do, they'll still need at least a day to write the bill and then another 72 hours for members to read it before they vote in the house. then it still needs to go through the senate where any single senator can bring it to a screeching halt. so is it time to panic?

john avalon gives us that reality check. john? >> yeah, aly, we are dancing towards the fiscal cliff again with these debt ceiling negotiations. now, some folks say it's no big deal, we've been here before. and it's true no one wants to default on our debt, but it is insane to play this dangerous game. we're just days from the june 1st deadline. it's a little like juggling with nuclear weapons because if there's a mistake or miscalculation everybody suffers, main street as much as wall street. and, look, i get concerns of out of control deficits and debt, but the time to rein spending is during budget negotiations, not when bills are coming due. this is the opposite of fiscal responsibility. it's trying to achieve fiscal policy through extortion. i'd have a lot more patience if republicans actually retused the deficit of the debt when they controlled the white house. instead the debt increased by $7 trillion under president trump. while he raised the debt ceiling

with democrats three times. and yes, kevin mccarthy voted for it each time. now, you remember when trump was cheering on the debt ceiling extortion at the cnn town hall? >> we have to start paying off debt, but when we have a debt limit and they use that very seriously to me. they came in, schumer came in with nancy pelosi and they were using we'll violate it, we'll do whatever -- they talked a whole lot different than they do right now. i say to the republicans out there, congressman, senators, if they don't give you massive cuts, you're going to have to do a default. >> have to do a default. we well, folks, you're going to be shocked, shocked trump said the exact opposite when he was president. >> i can't imagine anybody ever thinking of using the debt ceiling as a negotiating wager. i remember i said to senator schumer and to nancy pelosi would anybody ever use that to negotiate with? they said absolutely not, that's

a sacred element of our country. >> a sacred element of our country. yeah, that's a pathetic example of putting party over country. and, look, there's a compromise that clearly can be reached, a side deal with maybe items like work fare adjustments and cutting back on covid relief. but we've got to stop playing partisan politics with the full faith and credit of the united states. not only does it violate the constitution but a huge lift to countries like china. so washington, stop screwing around, do your job. now's the time to show the world that american democracy can be strong and united, not dysfunctional and self-defeating. and that's your reality check. >> john, thank you very much for all of that. come on back for our conversation. also joining us is our friend jay michaelson, rabbi, reporter, you name it, he does it. jay, i don't think john answered my question. is it time for panic? >> well, you know, i also do

meditation so i'd say it's never a good time to panic. but this is fake crisis. "the new york times" just did a really nice statistical analysis of what's actually still on the table, and it's a sliver of federal spending. this is just using the debt ceiling to accomplish policy goals. the republicans don't the white house, so they're using this as a tool to push through policy goals. >> wait a minute, i thought they do want to tighten the bolt. >> tighten the belt on 20% of nondiscretionary spending. not touching defense because that's also a third rail and something republicans believe in. so we're talking about a part of a part of a part of the budget that just so happens to align with policy goals. so policy debate that's what should be happening. that's what politicians do, right, but to use as john just said, to use this as a bargaining chip is the height of irresponsibility. >> why do republicans only find religion on the deficit and debt when it's a democratic

president, and john said when it was president trump the debt went up $7 trillion. >> i think voters are united on the reality people down in d.c. have been playing fast and loose with their money. republicans are the guiltiest. in fact, part of the reason we had so many rounds of voting for the speaker of the house is because republican voters were tired of that type of behavior. and i think that mccarthy would not have been speaker of the house without making commitments to curb that type of behavior. so, yes, i think we should all agree that brinksmanship with the full faith and credit of the american dollar is not a wise thing to do, but what we're not going to do is just decide unilaterally there's only one side responsible for the brinksmanship. i think it's an irresponsible position for a man to then take the better part of 90 days and not actually meet with the speaker of the house. so, yes, i think that is unreasonable, allowing it to get this close is unreasonable.

to your point, yes, let's put the politics aside but not pretend there's only one person involved in the gamesmanship. >> somehow in washington, d.c. they act like negotiating is a dirty word. >> compromise and negotiation are swear words in d.c. i agree with joe on this, it does take two to tango. i was on capitol hill for a number of debt ceiling fights and we have known this roughly june deadline since the first quarter. back in march i believe is when janet yellen said we should expect that. in the past we've done super committees, appropriators to hash out a deal and spend months ahead of the deadline to try and do it. this feels like waiting until the 11th hour and trying to extract something. i will note cnn has polling today that says 60% of americans support raising the debt ceiling but with spending cuts. the problem is you cannot find a uniting front within congress of both where democrats and republicans want to cut from. >> well, look, is it time to

panic to jay's point panic is a waste of time. panic is not useful, but to treat this they'll figure it out at the 11th hour is naive. what are they going to say might not and markets panic? this is dangerous game to play, and part of the reason democrats have kind of slow rolled this, they're saying, look, let's have these conversations on budget. we've got to stop doing this as a country particularly when we only seem to do it when a democrat is president. >> here's where we can agree. i don't want to squarely place the blame on the biden administration is just say the debt ceiling is unconstitutional. john mentioned the possible legal argument this violates the 14th amendment. president biden should have declared this fact -- >> unilaterally. >> they should have absolutely said we do not respect the debt ceiling. that's the backup plan. it takes time to have that backup plan in place.

let the whoever it's going to be whether journalists or politicians let them scream, but have that backup plan in place. you can still do the negotiations, maybe get to some agreement, but the debt ceiling is an unconstitutional creation and not part of the bedrock of our society. it's a relatively recent creation and it should not exist. >> i also think that people forget in the past we have agreed to cuts congress decided to ignore. so we can have a real conversation about simply saying, yeah, i get it maybe we have to find $3 trillion in appropriations later, but i think the fact they waited so long makes even that conversation almost impossible. so, yes, i think that this is a disaster for the american people. we should all be outraged by it, but let's just really be truthful about how we got here. >> in term of communications do you think president biden should be saying more about this, coming out and saying these guys want to cut this and this and this is why we waited for it. >> i don't think it's helpful to

just go out and smack the republicans and republicans to do that to the democrats. what i would say is this. is the moment to solve this was six months ago and this is just a classic way that congress works is that we wait until the 11th hour. it's a forcing mechanism. jet fumes get people working in congress and the deadline gets people working in congress. it's a shame and not how it should operate, but it is. by the way, i think kevin mccarthy loves us too much to ever let us default. i think it's going to go through very late. >> the process of focusing the mind is not the way to run a government. this is incredibly dangerous to wait for the 11th hour. i agree with jay about the 14th amendment, but we've got to delink these two. we've got to stop playing this game. it is reckless to do this to our country. it makes democracy look self-defeating. >> well, don't worry, guys. we have three days left. thank you very much for that conversation. meanwhile another company getting dragged into the culture wars is now target.

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okay. in the latest round of the culture wars target says it's removing some products that celebrate pride month after a backlash against the company and reportedly threats against some employees. target says its workers have been confronted, pride merchandise displays have been knocked to the floor, and threats have been posted to social media. my panel is back. okay, so let me just put up some of the items that target offers for pride month. joe, you know, it's pretty innocuous looking stuff. we're not sure which ones

they're pulling off the shelves. they haven't specified, but your thoughts on why this has to happen. >> well, look, i think the sad reality that we're confronting is that there's an entire community that has been caught in a political cross fire. i think that the other part of this is that there is a lack of trust. and that lack of trust comes from bit by bit i think families feeling as if they no longer have control over what their children are seeing and what's being marketed to their children. when you have target marketing a bathing suit to children that is featuring things such as tucking i think that becomes something -- >> i feel that's been debunked. i think that was for adults. >> i think we've seen things that are -- that was in the children's section. there was the advertisement there with the dult. and i think there's people have gone through the childrens section and seen -- >> not sure about that.

>> broad-based you have states like the state of washington trying to say you can transition children without the parents permission. you have states like new york saying you're going to be able to pass some type of vaccine for sexually transmitted diseases without informing the parents. so all of these contribute to an environment whereas i said at the on set. >> parents are losing control. >> correct. >> i feel like i heard this from anita bryant in the 1970s. we heard the same exact thing whenever it comes to the lgbtq people it's about save the children, this is only parents worrying about their children. we play this game of whack-a-mole where what are queer people doing. sometimes we're mentally ill, sometimes we're recruiting children. at the end of the day i don't think this is legitimate fear about parents losing kroep. this is a primal fear around sexuality, about prejudice. this has been going on for a very long time. it may be expressed in the ways you just described, but even half of what you just said is not really that accurate. it's impauble to transition for

trans kids without parental consent. that's not what's happening. this is thuggish behavior in target where they're targing employees because they don't like something on display. and i can't believe we'd ever defend that kind of behavior. where are the cops? who was keeping these employees safe? that was the solution not caving into bullies or defending bullies. >> there's zero defense in people engaging -- zero defense for making people feel uncomfortable. i think what we should be talking about is the fact this is not a fringe element. we're talking about the washington state legislature. >> we're talking about one person in the washington state legislature. this is fringe -- >> i think if we understand that target is a symptom not the actual cause and what was the -- >> but that is also -- that is an effort to sort of broaden the conversation to something that's more defensible and rational

than what we're seeing here, which is apparently people making threats, being vile. this is not a boycott. this is not a peaceful protest. this seems to be going bigger than that. what i'd like to see is an application of principles. the debate we sometimes have is private companies can do whatever they want. this isn't a free speech issue. they want advanced merchandise, it's kind of their call and the consumer's responsibility to say i choose to shop there or not and i'll let my views be known in a peaceful way. this seems to be crossing that peaceful line pretty conclusively and that is the reflection itself of a larger environment where gasoline has been poured on the flame. >> i don't think anyone is disputing the fact certainly i am not that we have an environment here that has led to people in the trans community, people in the lgbtq community feeling as if they're not safe. that is a very real think. it's happening in the state of florida right now. we know this, so i don't think anyone is debating that point.

>> florida is debating it. >> i think it's a reminder of what personal freedom entails. and this is where i get frustrated with my friends on the right is you can have whatever view you personally want to in your home about the gender, about sexuality, and you have a right to raise your children that way, and you have a right to not buy things at target. you do not have a right to tell other kids they can't talk about this, they can't buy that shirt at targ. that's not a conservative position and frankly a very totalitarian position. the sentiment around marriage equality changed rapidly and quickly and most of the country is there, the young people we're there. >> 70%. >> the trans community is something for a lot of americans feels new and leading to fear mongering and weaponizing that community, and frankly they're facing threats. and i think we need to have a real conversation about loving our neighbors and understanding our neighbors. >> you both touched on it.

he says it stems from fear and you're saying it's not a rational fear, it's a primal fear. it's still fear. >> 15 years ago i wrote a book called "god versus guy." this is actually an tubt for moral growth. we should welcome this opportunity to look at our core values, loving our neighbor, respecting all human beings. these are core religious values many secular people hold as well, and they're at issue here. we should be answering this call to conscience, not demonizing a group and feeding the fear. we talked about this in the context of guns there's mistrust, there's fear. there are people stoking that mistrust and fear for their own gains and one of them just announced on twitter he's running for president. there's a fear already there, and there's the fear stoked by opportunists, and the lowest hanging fruit would be to stop that, to stop lying about trans people and their lives, to stop encouraging people to take this kind of action because this doesn't term out of nowhere.

this is termed sarcastic terrorism. when you tell people over and over again they're terrible someone somewhere is going to act out. >> you say it feeds into -- >> they're also caught -- target should be hiring more security. there should be law enforcement. there should not be caving in to vigilanteism and demagoguery. we're seeing in florida in particularly vigilantes were empowered. we're seeing one parent object -- one parent objects to this, one parent objects to that, we're sort of giving into some of our worst instincts as human beings when now is the opportunity for us to be called to our best ones. >> thank you very much. >> you can't get a word in -- once i'm not in a sermon. >> it was a great ending point. thank you very much. now we need to talk about pasta. pasta prices are going through the roof.

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but that's nothing compared to italy, where they have spiked so much the government has called a crisis meeting. my past experts are back with me, alyssa farah griffin and jay michaelson. passed a makes the world go around. can we agree on that? >> that much we can agree on. >> this is a crisis in italy. because they eat pasta at lunch and dinner. >> -- >> -- according to what i just read. >> it's so good -- >> per pound a week -- >> in the u.s. -- >> also a fair amount -- >> how is their obesity level so much lower than ours? it's remarkable. >> this is the paradox. >> it's the mediterranean thing -- >> they walk too a lot more -- >> they walk -- and here, we need a bowl of pasta the size of their head. they are, they eat a little -- >> but it really is -- >> well -- >> there's not as much process food and there's -- >> is that what it is? >> are you guys big pasta eaters? >> if i could eat it every meal

of the day, i would. if it was appropriate to have it for -- >> my husband's gluten-free -- and the one person who eats it out in restaurants because i can't -- >> i eat it at restaurants -- >> this is actually a mystery. we don't actually know why the pasta prices are going up. because we'd prices have gone down. and i'm going to take a guess here that this is more price gouging. this is big noodle coming after us. and this is a lot of the inflation that has come over the last year, has been corporate price gouging. no one can under -- they have that high-level meeting in italy. it's not the wheat. it's not the supply chain disruptions -- >> who is it? >> i think it's the big bad corporations, like an south park. >> it may also be a demand issue. i think when prices of everything -- eggs, chicken -- are going up -- >> that sounded very science-y. but -- corporations -- >> you are just going after --

>> big noodle -- my tweets are going to blow up. i don't want that. >> gotcha. but something is going horribly wrong. italy won't stand for this. now, you can make your own pasta. >> yeah, it's very time consuming. >> -- turnout delicious -- >> i don't want to be too serious on the segment. >> yes, please. >> -- with global climate disruption becoming part of our everyday life, things are going to just continue to be weird. and they're going to get we are. we don't know what the causes are, of this thing, if it's related to wheat or to any other staple. but we have seen this in other commodities recently. and this is the future, weird. >> okay, thanks for yoking our yum. >> i know, i'm sorry about that. >> maybe a pasta shortage is what will wake -- >> i was actually thinking that -- what is going to shake italy out of any kind of complacency? >> you found it. >> alyssa, jay, great to have you guys. coming up, some of our favorite reporters are here to talk about some of the stories there -- for tomorrow, including what is going on behind the scenes on

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