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happening right now, sentencing is under way for oathkeeper's founder stewart rhodes for his part in the
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capitol riots, and we will find out the time he is going to get for seditious conspiracy. >> and ron desantis has a huge gap to close against donald trump and we hear about the plan he has to try to close it. and a man is able to walk for the first time in decades, and we have the latest of what is helping him to do it. this is noouz. this is cnn "news central." negotiators are working 24/7 to get a deal on the debt limit as the treasury department is warning that the u.s. could default one week from today. this is what house speaker kevin mccarthy said in the last hour. >> every hour matters, and this is why the white house is meeting on this, and why last
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night, the team they have is very professional and very bright. they know where the differences are, and how to work on this. >> as the talks are playing out, the house will recess today and head home for the weekend, but mccarthy is saying that he shgoing to call the lawmakers back if if a deal is made. there are number of policy ma matters to hammer out, and manu raja just spoke to speaker mccarthy and what did he tell you? >> yes, the speaker is optimistic that they could get a deal, and he will not say when a deal could be reached, but he is saying that the talks will go very late into the night, and we expect more talks today, and he would not guarantee a deal on the house floor by next week, and of course, that is significant, because they need to potentially avoid a default as soon as june 1st, but there is still more work to be done,
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and he would not indicate what there has been movement on or whether the white house has come down to his push to spending cuts below this year's level, and the white house has pushed back on that, and there is a ton of negotiations about that point. the speaker indicated there are other issues that he is still seeking that the democrats have been concerned about, and including the new work requirements on the social safety network programs like food stamps that is causing democrats angst, and also, he has indicate had that the cost of the pentagon is to put more money into the pentagon that democrats want to cut the pentagon spending which is a cause of concerns about the democratic ranks, and they are concerned that kevin mccarthy is not giving them any more than one concession to raise the debt limit, and give into the democratic demands to go into the democratic demands and some are second-guessing the party
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strategy. >> i think that the greatest regret that we should have is the failure to raise the debt ceiling limit back in december when the democrats were controlled with both chambers of congress. >> the speaker has decided to make this a public relations effort, and really turning it into a political process, and so, do we sacrifice something in the short term as a result? we do. we sure do. >> the republicans are always very disciplined in the messaging, and they continue to be. that is something that democrats are not always as disciplined about. >> i would like to see the negotiations start sooner, because as a democrat, there are elements that i would like to have seen injected. >> reporter: now one thing they have agreed to behind closed doors is to rescind om money given to covid relief which is part of the deal, but also spending cuts, working requirements and easing the
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constructions of the electronic transmission lines for utilities and issues on the table, and they have to sort it out and get it on both chambers of the congress and get it through votes and all of those questions as the deadlines loom. >> a bit of progress, but as work continues as time continues to tick. john? >> and now, the founder and leader of the oath keepers are going to be sentenced for his part of the attack on the capitol january 6th. he is going to be the second part of the sentencing. the prosecutors want between 10 and 25 years. cnn crime reporter caitlyn polanz is watching this for us. what are you seeing? >> we are in the second part of the trial of the hearing, and we
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expect this hearing to go on for a little bit of time today, because many things have to happen in a sentencing hearing like this. there are arguments from both sides. we know that the justice department is going to be asking for rhodes to be sentenced to 25 years in prison, and so that is by far the largest sentence any january 6th capitol rioter would be facing if the judge amitt m metawants here. but the other side does not want that much, and looking at the arguments in writing and one of the things is that he should be credited for the amount of leadership that he had in the organization for all of these years and obviously now that is an organization that the justice department said led this conspiracy around the violence of the capitol attack on january 6th and not just rhodes, but many, many members of the oath
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ko oat oathkeepers have been found guilty of those attacks of seditious conspiracy, and also, many, many victims of the capitol riot spoke about how it impacted them, and one of the metropolitan police said that were choosing part to be a group that taunted them and he said that his physical scars have healed, but not the mental scars. so the judge is going to have to be doing some math to figure the amount of sentencing he will give. >> thank you.
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katelyn polantz for that report. as we are waiting to see what sentencing rhodes is going to get, and where do you believe this is going to land today? >> look, a massive delta between 25 years sought by the prosecutors and the time served by the defense counsel. the judge has a tremendous amount of discretion here, but the prosecution has portrayed this sentencing in particular as a real outlier, and they describe it as unparallel and unprecedent and it defies any comparison because witness after witness spoke about the impact and the trauma that january 6th had on them, but the government is portraying the real victim here as our normal democratic functioning, and the democracy itself which flies off of the
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page where they are talking about the injury to democratic functioning, peaceful transitioning of power and the rule of law. so that is a real focus for the judge in his decision today. >> and the prosecutors have called the oath keepers actions on january 6th terrorism, and in acting judge to weigh that in sentencing, and this is part of what they wrote in the memo. here the need to deter others is especially strong because these defenders engaged in acts to influence the government through intimidation or coercion, in other words, terrorism, and after seeing that i am wondering what impact this is calling it out as terrorism, and making that argument to the judge in this? >> well, the judge is required as a matter of the statutory scheme to look at deterrence both specific deterrence for these individual defendants, but general deterrence.
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that is a very powerful argument for why this judge should put these defendants away for decades. what the prosecution is really leaning on heavily is, judge, if you allow these people to go away with a slap on the wrist, then who, you know, it is a watershed moment as they put it. we will see an uptick in political violence, and they are saying, judge, you have an opportunity to put an end to it and deter others who would do the same as the oath kooeeepers the so-called oath-breakers as the government called them on january 6th. >> and the conspiracy charge is going to be part of the big part of it is the part of it and who rhodes is, and what part of the standard is for what it is going to set for the other sentencings
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that are going to be coming? >> it is not a coincidence that he is sentenced first, because he is the ringleader, and the leader of the extremist group. so, the government has put forward a scheme a framework of how they believe that the sentencings should apply ranging from 10 years for the lowest level offender to 25 for rhodes, so we will see where the judge comes out between time served and 25 year, and this is going to be baseline for what to expect with respect to other sentencings. >> it is going to be an important day for the others who are charge and others who have faced sentencing already, and this could be a very big moment for the fight for justice after january 6th. thank you for coming in dannya. >> and now, a far from perfect
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pitch for presidential launch from ron desantis. and an 11-year-old boy is shot by police after he call for help. what we know for the child's condition and the circumstances around the shooting next. and the irs whistle-blower is concerned about the handling of the justice department's investigation of hunter biden's investigation, and now more on the irregularities that he has seen in the years' long probe just ahead.
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senior analyst for more on this. bring us up to speed, joan. what are you learning? >> yes, sure. good morning, kate. this is a case that is reviving the idea that this idaho couple had wanted to build their dream home on a plot of home in a place that was stopped by environmentalists that said their place was a wetlan and they needed special permits, and the family challenged the environmentalist agency, and the justices ruled first of all that their case can be revived and that i can try to build their home, but more importantly, the justice by a 5-4 vote instituted a new test to determine when the epa can regulate wetlands. it had to do with how close a parcel of land had to be to a
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body of water to be considered wetlands, and the justices today again by a 5-4 vote in an opinion by justice samuel alito said that the parcel of land had to be contiguous to actual body of water, and in the old test it was a significant nexus and allowed the epa to regulate the property, and the epa had won in a lower court, but now the justices by a 5-4 vote have reversed the lower court. the other thing they should mention here, and it is not just of consequence for this couple who for nearly two decades have been trying to build this dream home on this piece of property as they made their case to the justices, this is the second time that this case has come up to the justices, but more broadly, kate, this is another ruling by the supreme court that cuts back on the power of the environmental protection agency
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in its regulation. last year, they did it under the clean air act to restrict what the epa could do, and this is under the clean water act, kate. >> yeah, the broad implications here are absolutely part of this story coming down. it is going to be interesting to hear what the biden administration has to say and the epa and thank you, joan, thank you for bringing us that just in from the supreme court. john? >> regrouping after a roll out glitch is what team desantis is doing this morning, and a preview of the states that the governor is going to visit first -- iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. a traditional itinerary after a nontraditional launch. the cnn poll shows him trailing the frontrunner donald trump clearly, but he is one of the
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top two choices by a majority. and desantis and trump have separated themselves, but we go to the campaign trail, and steve, what are you gaerring this morning? >> well, so far, it is a positive spin from a lot of the people gathered in miami for desantis' event here, and they are saying last night was not great, and let's laugh it off and move on to the challenge of getting governor desantis elected and chosen as the nominee, and right now, he is working to set up a contrast between himself and the former president donald trump who is still leading the polls, and he is doing that by criticizing trump's time as president and suggesting that he would do much better and actually get done a lot of the things that trump talked about doing, but he didn't actually accomplish. as far as the rollout goes, most
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of the republicans are saying, look, this is unconventional start, and always going to be a weird entrance into the race, and the real question is how he campaigns and moves on from here, and really, we won't have a sense to know if he can take on trump until they get on the debate stage. and trump has been coy if he is going to participate in the gop debates late in summer, and desantis said, let's do it. this is what he said. >> do you plan on participating in all of the debates and do you have a word of counsel for all of the candidates who are wavering on that? >> well, i grew up in a world that you have to earn it, and we all have to go out to earn it,
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and this is what i intend to do, and the debates a big part of the process. >> john, a lot of time between the potential debates and the time of the launch, and he is expected to hit the road. he is expected in iowa tuesday where he will have an official kickoff date, and the early nominating states are key for him in this race. >> steve confor conor theno -- contorno. thank you. >> let's hear from john, and then s.e. cupp. >> i think that they have the
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same pugilistic style, and that appeals to some. >> do you agree with that? i mean who is the desantis primary voter? >> that is the key question. he is running more to the extreme than trump on some of issues with book bans, curriculum bans, abortion bans, and disney corporations, and so a lot of this stuff is a turn off to practical conservatives and moderate conservatives and in other words, all of the voters needs to win. so it is an odd strategy, and so he is going to have to pivot in a general election where all of that stuff is wildly unpopular. >> and he has said it is a blueprint, but how many of the policies and show them on to blue screen how many of the policies put in place in florida are going land? >> i think that he has a great chance of becoming the president of florida, but outside of
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florida, these are really, really unpop yu l.a. and let me say that six-week abortion plans are unpopular in the state of florida among republicans, so some of the stuff is a non-starter. in fact, congresswoman nancy mays called this abortion ban a non-starter. so he is alienating a ton of the voters that he needs to vote to win the primary and the general, and he is doing this because he has said being anti-woke his entire personality, and that is not a full national platform, but it is a great way to win in florida. >> and the campaign secretary said that he raised $1 million in the first hour, and so someone liked it. >> well, there are republicans who are quote, unquote, over trump, and so they see desantis the best way to park the votes or the money and their support, but i just, i don't know. i think it is a folly.
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still all of the energy, and a lot of the condensed energy in the republican party is still with trump. no one is better at being trump than trump, and desantis does not have a cogent cohesive plan other than to be anti-woke. >> so i wonder, who is desantis' biggest concern, trump or desantis because of the reasons that you listed? >> well, it is trump. trump is a big concern for him and every other opponent, because the energy is with him, but if you are unmoored from the principles, conservativism, and you are following the culture war tradewinds, he is going to face the incoming from all of the candidates. that gives everyone a real opportunity like from tim scott to nikki haley to go to a more moderate place if they choose. >> and the field is growing. s.e. scott, thank you. and a veteran employee has come forward as a whistle-blower
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in the investigation into hunter biden's investigation, and what he has to say. and also, the racially and e e e e e e ethnicallc motivated attack at the white house.
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welcome back. this is just in. cnn has a letter written by brian laundry who is the man who is accused of killing gabby petito, and what does the letter say? >> well, the importance of the letter cannot be underemphasized, because the reason that we have it is because a judge yesterday said that the letter had to be turned over to the petito attorney, and it had to become something of discovery, because it is forming the basis of what their suit is intentional inflection of emotional distress, and the letter is showing that the laundries knew that brian had murdered gabby, and they were not telling any information or communicating and the laundries say that this was written so far
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before they took the trip, and it was to show the love of a mother and son. right to it. the beginning of the letter is where roberta launundrie is sayg that i love you, you are my boy and i will love you forever, and if you are in jail, i will bake a cake with a file in it, and if you need to dispose of a body, i will show up with a shovel and garbage bag and it goes on to talk about death and angels, and it is saying that her love is a verb and not a noun, and it is going to last forever. i got a statement from the attorney who is representing the laundries and this is from roberta laundrie herself, and she says this this letter is to show how much i loved my son. i am sure that people uses phrases all of time to express to their loved once the show the depths of their love.
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and though i chose words that would show the depth to brian, this is no way related to gabby, and the letter is undated, and so that is a matter of fact, rahel, so is this a letter to show that a mother would help him to commit murder or what they want to use it in the civil case is the knowledge that the laundries would have not at all communicated and that it was outrageous behavior when the petitos just wanted to know what happened to gabby. >> jean, thank you. significant questions remain, but significant development it sounds like. kate? >> an employee of the irs has gone public revealing himself as the whistle-blower in the ongoing criminal probe into the finances of hunter biden. gary shapeley has what he calls
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the mishandling of the interference of the investigation. and we are joined now by the reporter katrina. >> and now we know who this whistle-blower is. and he is gary shapely. and we know that he was specifically working on the hunter biden case, and he claiming that the hunter biden investigation was slow-walked at the direction of the justice department, and he claims that he believes s s that the justi department was acting unethically, and in his years at the white house that the justice department has not acted like this, and he laid out the case before nbc news. let's listen.
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>> there were a number of directions that were slow-walked at the hands of the justice department. >> had you ever encountered that before? >> no, i had not. these were deviations from the normal process, and each and every time, it always seemed to benefit the subject. and it just got to the point where that switch was turned on, and i just could not silence my conscious anymore. >> why do you want to navigate these waters? >> i do not want to. it is a mat over consciousness, and it is not something that i want to do, but it is something that i feel like i have to do. >> reporter: now, kate, shapely is saying that he is not a political person, and his decision to come forward with these claims was not driven by political motivations, but just to take a step back. we know that for years now, federal prosecutors have been investigating hunter biden three attorneys general and they have
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waived taxes against him for alleged tax crimes and so far no charges have been filed, and hunter biden has been denying any charges. and so i know that they are very eager to hear from shapely. >> much more to come from this. john? >> a new public advise fri the department of homeland security says that they are in a heightened environment from extremists. earlier this month there was the mass shooting at a outlet in allen, texas, and the gunman espoused nazi views. and also, officials are assessing the man who crashed a u-haul truck into the white house, and he praised adoff hitler to investigators after he
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was arrested, and one official says there is an increase in violence based on the neo-nazi themes based on online forums. explain what is going on here? >> well, with the teams of analysts whose job is to survey the threat landscape and knowing that the law enforcement understands what is going on, and as part of the advisory, really troubling that the dhs is assessing that the ongoing threat environment is continuing. they cite several examples, and i will read some of them. the incident this week at the white house, and this man with the nazi flag crashing into the white house complex barrier near the white house. the allen, texas, this recent suspected white supremist killing eight people at the shopping mall, and the dhs is talking about the shooting at a christian school in tennessee with six people killed and also in an ohio church with the
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apparent trans event, and then we have reported on attacks and the threats to electrical substations, and they cite a case in maryland where two people are arrested plotting there, and looking at the incidents and the dhs is saying that the heightened incident is not abating any time soon, john. >> it is really not a lot of ambiguity with the swastika flag there on the ground there. what is that threat heading into the presidential election? >> well, they say from the an analysts that they have seen with the heated political rhetoric writ has led to violence and it is obviously the january 6th insurrection, and at the attack on a fbi field office and they they lone offenders and small groups deranged by personal grievances continue to
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pose a lethal threat, and in the coming months and factors that could mobilize individuals to commit violence are the perceptions of the 2024 election and judicial and legislative decisions, and things that are happening in the courts and that is why it is so important that people could parrot the election lies that there is a potential cost and people out there and extremists who are receiving these lies and to be perceived to lies, john. >> thank you for the reporting. >> and now, coming up more than a decade after a motorbike accident left a man paralyzed is walking again, and that is thanks to the medical breakthrough, and we have more on the technology that made it possible. >> and authorities are catching one of the most wanted fugitive s in africa responsible e for t
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the rwandan killing. he is accused of killing more than 2,000 men and women in the tutsi men and women. after he was captured he said that he had been waiting a long time to be captured. after a man was paralyzed in a motorcycle accident, he said that now he can walk with a device, and he says that he always hoped he could walk again, and now he can. elizabeth cohen, tell us how this can work. >> rahel, this is so
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fascinating. they have used a machine to link a neural link. and this man is 40 years old, and they implanted a device in the brain and gave him a processing center in backpack, and there is a wireless connection between the two. it worked very soon after the surgery, and he is now able to walk about 330 feet which is really quite amazing. now this is not ready for everyone to use yet, and that i are still studying it. i feel bad when we do these stories, because people who are paralyzed may think they can get it, but they cannot get it now, but the research is one of the things they want to do is to make it more portable. rahel. >> yes, i think that people who see the story will be the next sentence, not now, but how long before it is a reality for people at home? >> rahel, it could be years. back in 2018, i did a story with
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this morning, nearly a dozen senate democrats are asking google to clarify the policies on the user's location history and sensitive locations, at sensitive locations, including abortion clinics an concerns over the location security have increased since the supreme court overturnped roe v. wade, and they are worrying about that the stribcter abortion laws coud find out if people have been taking trips to abortion locations. earlier this month, the washington post tested this function, and found that google was not consistently or deleting the visitor's visits to planned
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parenthood locations. brian fung is here with the latest, and explain what is supposed to happen and what is happening. >> yes, john. google says it will delete the location history of people who visit sensitive locations like abortion facilities or, you know, fertility clinics soon after they visit the locations, provided that they have location history actually turned on. but, as you said, washington post and other privacy advocates have tested it in practice, and they found that, you know, google may not be doing this deletion consistently or reliably and what amy klobuchar and others are doing is writing google to say, what is going on here. and so this is what is coming from the data. this data is extremely personal, and it concerns personal information, and target people
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who coul, psychologically or personally, and so claiming that publiclyngo delete this location data without doing so could be considered a deceptive practice, and that last bit on deceptive practice is important, john, because the federal trade commission is empowered to go after deceptive trade practices, so google could be subjected to federal trade practices here. >> and brian, if you have the location data turned off, it does not apply to you? >> that appears to be correct, although, when you are looking at the amount of information that google supplies in response to law enforcement request, the government has sent various state and local governments have sent subpoenas and warrants to google just in the last year and a half alone, company has
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reported 20,000 subpoenas and 30,000 warrants in the united states, and that data pre-dates the overturns of roe v. wade, and so you can just imagine going forward with some of the state laws and those numbers may soon increase. john? >> this is going to fuel the fire for people who are concerned that their phone reveals so much. brian fung, thank you so much. kate? >> is there a hint of optimism on capitol hill? kevin mccarthy says that every hour matters in order for avoiding a debt default. and we will have the latest on the uk talks as the lawmakers a preparing to head out of town. and where the new presidential candidate ron desantis is saying about preparing for the presidential campaign. we will have more on that ahead. the suncare brand used most by dermatologists
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