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wait... what's that in your hand? no, no, stop! oh you're no fun. [lock clicks shut] texas attorney general ken paxton could be leaving office after a house ethics panel voted unanimously that he be impeached. they have been investigating allegations that he used his office to benefit a multimillionaire who is one of his major donors. yesterday, they heard from investigators detailing what they described as years of misconduct from paxton. he denied all wrongdoing. in a new statement tonight, he referred to republicans who defied him as liberal and rhinos. that's it for us. thank you very much. good evening, everyone.
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we begin tonight with breaking news straight from capitol hill. we are getting word that the white house and house republicans are getting closer to a deal to raise the debt ceiling. one week before the u.s. runs out of money. what do we know right now about where the deal stands between kevin mccarthy, house republicans and the white house? >> i think we should caveat by saying nothing has been agreed upon yet. nothing has been finalized. they are moving closer to a deal. we have seen progress over the last 12 hours, particularly on the spending issue. that's been something that has been really bedevilling the talks. they started floating the idea of a potential compromise that both sides could try to claim as essentially a win. one of the things they are discussing is raising the debt ceiling for two years, which would be longer than what house republicans had proposed in their debt ceiling plan in the house. then instituting spending caps for two years. caps on federal spending levels.
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they have not agreed on the numbers for those spending caps. one of the emerging compromises here is the idea that they would spare pentagon funding. they would spare specific domestic programs so that democrats could say, we actually didn't cut certain things. another programs would see cuts, which republicans could claim as a win. you are starting to see the contours of how a spending provision deal might come together. but i will caution that there are a number of other outstanding issues, particularly on the issue of tougher work requirements for social safety net programs. that's something both sides have been dug in on. republicans included it in their bill in the house. they are demanding it. they say it's a red line for them. you have d.emocrats need to supply votes to get this over the finish line saying they can't support something that has really any form of tougher work requirements. that's where the issue lies. there's other issues where they are starting to see more agreement. one issue is clawing back
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unspent covid money. that's something they agree on. permitting reform has agreement. where we are at right now is that negotiators, they left the building for the evening. they are not expecting a deal to come together tonight. they are going to work tomorrow, through the weekend and try to wrap this thing up as soon as possible. of course, the time line is such a crucial factor here. they are trying to raise the debt ceiling by june 1st. that process takes time. even when they have an agreement, they need to turn it into legislative bill text, get a score from the congressional budget office. then they need to give members 72 hours to be able to read the bill. that's a promise mccasrthy made to his members. once it gets through the house, it has to go to the senate where you have conservatives like mike lee who are threatening to hold things up if they don't like what they see. a lot of obsobstacles. we are starting to see some
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slight signs of roeprogress, wh is a welcome development. >> we are quickly w ly approach that 11th hour. it's significant what you are discussing. it sounds like the contours of a deal could be on the horizon. thank you very much. with us now is katherine rampell. when you hear what she's talking about, obviously, lots of this is still up in the air. to me, what stands out, this two-year extension of the debt limit takes this out of the political sphere temporarily past the 2024 election. >> which is key. we don't want to default on our debt at any moment. we certainly don't want to have brinksmanship over and over and over again. you really don't want to have this become an issue in the lead-up to the election. whatever rationality politicians have right now goes out the window when they are looking at polls leading into the election. >> we could face just doing this all over again in another year.
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also, on top of what she discussed, we don't know what the spending caps are going to be. a big sticking point has been will it be 2022 levels or back prior to covid? >> i think actually the bigger question for me, besides the top line number, is what actually is eligible for cuts. we have heard a lot of reporting, including just now, about what's been carved out, what is protected. defense, veterans programs, entitlement programs, whatever things democrats want to hold up as the things they have saved. what's left? by process of elimination, there isn't a ton of programs left, especially if we're talking about relatively big overall cuts. if you are going to have to -- we going to clear out border security funding or fbi funding or pell grants? i don't know. >> it could be significant. the devil is in the details. stand by for us. we will continue to monitor the story throughout the show.
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a new twist tonight in the intensifying federal investigation into donald trump. was a dress rehearsal held at mar-a-lago to move around sensitive documents before the feds came to get them? if so, the question is, why? did donald trump himself take part in or direct such a dry run? tonight, "the washington post" reports never before heard evidence that may be crucial to the special counsel's investigation. on june 2nd of last year, two trump employees allegedly moved boxes of papers that day back into the storage room at the former president's florida resort. it was just one day before the fbi showed up to retrieve classified documents in response to a grand jury subpoena. the timing that the sources are saying is suspicious to investigators and could be an indication of possible obstruction. another big headline from this reporting is the alleged dress rehearsal trump and his aides
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are said to have held, practicing moving around papers even before his office received that subpoena last may. finally, prosecutors have gathered evidence indicating that trump sometimes kept classified documents in his office where they were visible, and i even showed them to others. even he didn't give a full-throated denial of that during cnn's attorney hall this month. >> did you ever show those classified documents to anyone? >> not really. i would have the right to. they were declassified after -- >> what do you mean? >> not that i can think of. >> we should note that trump overall continues to deny any wrongdoing in this case. right now we are joined by joey jackson and jennifer rogers. and ashley alison. thank you for being here. let's start with the legal minds. we are getting the contours of
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jack smith's case potentially. when you start talking about not just moving around boxes, but also maybe showing it off as well, what kind of difference does that make? >> it's troubling. what happens is that when you look at the law, you look at what's called guilty mind. we spend a lot of time assessing not only factually what someone does but we assess what their mind frame was when they did it. there's a distinction between doing something intentionally or doing something recklessly or doing something knowingly. at the end of the day, if you are moving around boxes and that thing, what may that evidence? it evidences a consciousness of guilt. if you don't think anything is to see in the boxes, what's the basis for moving them if you don't think you did anything wrong? why do anything with the boxes at all? it's troubling with respect to the obstruction of justice charge when you look at the shifting and movement. then, it gives the special counsel reason to believe there was something amiss, which was
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the basis and purpose for them being moved in the first ins instance. >> it's harder to argue -- this according to "the washington post" in their letter, the trump team's letter to congress, they said president trump, he had little time to prepare for the outgoing transition from the presidency. white house staffers and gsa employees quickly packed everything up in boxes and they shipped them to mar-a-lago. it just so happened there were hundreds of classified documents. does that work anymore? >> it's a unique situation. you have a defendant vetting his defenses. he is out there saying, i have the right to declassify. they automatically declassified. i could have taken them. his lawyers are saying it was all a rush job. you have all these opportunities to actually work to find evidence that strikes those down. that's what the special counsel has been methodically doing. they have been interviewing witnesses. they have been figuring out exactly what was going on so that those defenses don't fly. that solidifies and underscores
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the case. >> i wonder, you worked in the white house. on some level i think the chaos of it all really -- it's not unusual. there was a lot of chaos in the white house. did you ever hear or see a president trump showing off classified documents in other settings that might be relevant for this kind of case, that he might have been done in mar-a-lago? >> i have never seen him do anything like that. many members that i work with and people in congress look at this as the weaponization of government and people are concerned that we are spending millions of dollars on issues like this that don't amount to any real prosecution. we have the rise if violent kri crimes across the country. you have criminals not held accountable. i have been focused on public safety solutions and working with members in underserved communities -- >> putting that aside, i get the
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repu weaponization part of this. ashley, jump in here. there's a question of why even push back on giving the documents back if they belong to the government in the first place, if there's no crime here? just give them back. he wouldn't give them back. >> yeah, because he thinks he is above the law. he doesn't think he has to follow the law because it doesn't apply to them. we know he cannot unclassify the documents the way he claims. either he was misunderstanding to your point knowing, intentional, reckless. one of those may apply here. the question though is, from a political landscape, will voters matter? will it matter? i don't know. if you are in trump's camp at this point, the documents kind of -- you are going to stay with him. >> it's one of many things. >> it's one of many. >> on the table for voters. >> it's troubling because of the risk it put towards our country. we don't know what's in them and we don't know who he showed them to. >> jennifer, let me ask you about one other defense that the
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trump team has -- that trump has put forward. he says, i automatically declassified them. is that a potential cover all defense for any possible charges that he could face related to taking the documents, when he shouldn't have had them? >> it's not. one of the things that jack smith and his team have been doing is interviewing people within government to prove that you don't do it that way. even if the president has the power to declassify, which he does, there's still procedures you have to go through. not only are they going to put on -- if this goes to trial -- witnesses who say that's not how it's done, but witnesses who will say, he didn't do those things. they actually were not declassified. that's what the case -- >> the special -- jack smith would have to establish that as part of the case. it wouldn't just be a given. there's a process. >> you put on your case in chief. if they come back with that as a defense, then you would put it
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on as rebuttal. any good prosecutor will knock out those defenses as you go, answer all the questions jurors would have. i would expect them to do it in the first enstance. >> stand by. a rebuke for the leader of the far right extremist group. stewart rhodes learns his fate. a federal judge labeling january 6 domestic terrorism for first time today. it came during the sentencing of rhodes, the founder of the oath keepers. in the longest sentence related to the capitol riot, rhodes has been ordered to spend 18 years in a federal prison. that's nearly as long as he was married to my next guest, tasha williams -- tasha adams. excuse me. thank you for joining us. tasha, you have known stewart rhodes for a long time. you know deeply this organization, the oath keepers. knowing that for the next 18 years, you and your six children can live your lives with stewart
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rhodes behind bars, how do you feel about that? >> i'm very happy about it. it's been a great week for us as a family. we are happy to feel safe. we are happy he is in a place where he can't hurt us, he can't hurt anybody else. of course, there's that dark cloud looming of a pardon. >> yeah. >> depending on who gets in office next or even beyond that, the next election. there's some reason for concern. but other than that, it's been great to feel safe really. it's been -- my divorce was finalized this week after 5 1/2 years of trying to deal with that. it's been a lot at once. >> you raise the issue of the pardons. wasn't to play for you what two presidential campaign candidates have said about the prospect of
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pardons for people like your ex-husband. listen. >> i'm inclined to pardon many of them. >> do you think the january 6 defendants deserve to have their cases examined by a republican president? >> on day one, i will have folks that will get together and look at all these cases who people are victims of weaponization or political targeting, and we will be aggressive in issuing pardons. >> if you could talk to former president trump, ron desantis, what would you want them to understand about who the onath keepers are, who stewart rhodes really is? >> i'm not sure anything i would say would make any difference, because i think they fully understand what he is and what he tried to do. they fully support it.
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he is a person who plotted war for over a decade. all he ever thought about was creating chaos, creating violence, violence in the home, violence in the country. anything that could put himself on top and any way he could make that happen. i think trump fully understands, desantis fully understands. they know what stewart is about, and they agree with him. >> are you worried at all that if rhodes were pardons, there would be risk of another potential january 6? >> absolutely. this is stewart's life's work. this is what he does. he is incredibly brilliant. completely manipulative. he is good at what he does. he will just regroup immediately. i guarantee he also plans in the
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works for as soon as he is out. he will do this again until he creates the chaos he wants to create. >> today rhodes stood up in court and he called himself a political prisoner. he equated himself to the former president trump, members of congress have use that same term, political prisoner, to describe january 6 defendants. what should they know about your ex-husband before they go and champion the cause of those people? i guess i should say, it's not just lawmakers. i think there are probably millions of people, millions of their supporters who do view january 6 prisoners as political prisoners. >> i would want people to know that stewart rhodes in particular, but a lot of these leaders on january 6 have a lot of similar personality traits. stewart has destroyed the lives of everyone he touched, not just his political enemies. he has destroyed the lives of people on his own side.
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there are hundreds of people who desperately, desperately wish they had never gone to the capitol on january 6. they don't know what they were thinking. they don't know why they let themselves get talked into this kind of thing. there is nothing that stewart rhodes on anyone like him can bring to anyone except more destruction. that's what they are in it for. that's the goal. that's all he is interested in. >> tasha adams, thanks for joining us. 24 hours after ron desantis entered the race, the fighting with donald trump sin teis intensifying. there are new polls that show president biden is facing headwinds of his own. one of his democratic challengers is in double digits. that's next. . hum... what's the ocean like? ♪ are there animals living underwawater? ♪
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biden term as a negative thing for the country. my panel is back with me. catherine, we talked about president biden's approval rating. it's low. it's in the 30s at this point. that's still around president trump. he is at 37. that's within the margin of error. this for biden is a little bit different. typically, he has benefitted from generally people giving him the benefit of the doubt, generally people like the guy. now i think that has eroded. maybe no surprise since he is the president of the united states and that happens. >> yes, it does happen. these polls increasingly get polarized over time. you see very, very negative reviews from republicans. i think the more concerning thing is that democrats are not as enthusiastic about the incumbent candidate. what does that mean for him going forward, particularly if the economy takes a turn? part of the reason why people seem to be so unhappy right now with the president of the united
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states has to do with economic conditions, which by many measures are actually quite good. >> i was going to say. this is the great irony. every day it's like the economy is pretty good. people feel like their economic situation is unstable. >> they have good reason to feel that. pricing pressures continue to grow. there are a number of reasons why people feel insecure. but if people feel this insecure, people are this negative or if people lack this much confidence in the president now, imagine how much worse things would get if we have a recession. i don't know we will. but there are some worrying signs in the economy, certainly if we default on our debt we would have bigger problems. that's what i'm concerned about. >> i think what many people have criticized about an administration for right or wrong is they're not telling the story and it's not resonating with american people. when you actually look at his
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legislative accomplishments, he has had significant wins. one thing that actually hasn't come into play yet is that we have trillions of dollars that will go out in this infrastructure bill. that will really go into communities and impact the lives of people and improve people's quality of lives. it will increase job opportunities, manufacture, the chips bill, those implementations are going out. i think there's a real opportunity here for the administration and now his campaign that's in place to really go out and tell the story. not about 12 million anything. but you were the person who got this job because i delivered it for you. >> is it -- >> i'm more worried about everyday americans. they are not feeling it. that's something that's real. high inflation, increased crime, individuals not really getting a living wage job. i think we are behind the times on reimagining what we can do for underserved communities. that's what we worked on in the trump administration.
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we were able to implement that. i wrote a book that addresses this issue that congress and many leaders have for decades continued to kick the can on issues for the underserved. we can fix these issues right now. it's not just a government solution. you can work with institutions, philanthropy and have a united approach on fixing something. >> interestingly enough, when you -- there's a really interesting question in the poll, unconventional. the question was what would a biden 2024 win mean for the country? what would a trump 2024 win mean? >> 41% say a disaster for biden. 26% say setback. 27% a step forward. 7% say a triumph. trump say a disaster. 12% say a step back. a step forward, 27%. 17% say a triumph. to me, this seems like a very depressed electorate. they are not excited about this. they don't think either of the
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two -- maybe we call them likely options -- will be what they want. we also have seen that movie before. we saw it in 2022. democrats performed better than most expected. >> we saw it in 2020. biden was not the frontrunner going in. there was more energy among the democratic base for many other candidates. a lot of pundits did not think biden had much of a chance. obviously, he pulled through. he had a certain combination of decency and empathy and the promise to restore the soul of america and all of these things people were hungering for that worked then. will it work now? i don't know. the question is, whatever his record and whatever the frustrations that real voters have with the state of the economy, which may or may not be related to actual biden policies, who is the alternative? who is the alternative in either party?
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people are clearly disillusioned with their options. >> as biden says, it's not the almighty you are running against, it's the alternative. stand by. on the other side, it's been just one day since ron desantis stepped into the ring. this is already the state of play. >> i don't know what happened to donald trump. >> his poll numbers are dropping like a rock. he has no idea what the hell he is doing. >> where is this headed next? we will talk about it. ♪ ♪
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my cholesterol is borderline. so i take garlique to help maintain healthy cholesterol safely and naturally. and it's odor free. i'm taking charge of my cholesterol with garlique. the gloves are officially off. ron desantis is taking direct jabs at donald trump after the former president attacked his campaign launch last night. trump called the event a disaster and posted mocking videos, including this ai-generated video of desantis being interrupted online by fake guests like the devil and hitler. trump posted this, what appears to be a space-x rocket labeled
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ron 2024 falling over and exploding. desantis is now taking dead aim at trump's policy decisions as president. >> i think he did great for three years. when he turned the country over to fauci, that destroyed millions of people's lives. when people look back, that 2020 year was not a good year for the country as a whole. he said he was going to eliminate the national debt. he ended up adding almost $8 trillion to the dead. he is going left on fiscal, on culture. he sided with disney against me. i don't know what happened to donald trump. this is a different guy today than when he was running in 2015 and 2016. i think the direction that he is going with his campaign is the wrong direction. >> this is just day one. this is a preview of what voters will likely hear as desantis prepares to blitz three early voting states next week, iowa, new hampshire and south
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carolina. my panel is back with me. ashley, it seems to me desantis yesterday with this twitter announcement, he was trying to out online trump, out trump trump. trump hits back as he often does, really strongly. is this kind of tit for tat on stunts going to be what wins the day here? >> i don't think so. i think -- if you are in donald trump's camp after january 6, i don't think you are ever coming out of his camp. i'm not seeing it in the polls. i'm not seeing it to voters that i talk to that support him. what it might hurt is ron desantis as he is looking at other competitors in the field. if somebody wants an alternative to trump and they are seeing ron desantis behave like trump, they might skip over him. this is trump being trump. desantis has an opportunity to rise above it. by him doing tit for tat, i
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don't think it do well. >> there's the policy of it all. he is trying to argue that trump tried to sign amnesty. will policy win out? >> i think so. i'm excited. i have three former potential bosses in this race. mike pence as well as tim scott. i think that's going to help us have more of a policy conversation. they're going to bring ideas to the table. some of the ideas they worked with president trump on, including ron desantis. i think ultimately, the policy conversation is going to drive what decisions that voters are going to make. >> that's a good point. if you worked with former president trump on this, can he attack him for this? >> there's a lot of common ground on issues, even with desantis talking about the pandemic and strategies around opening up. there's a lot of them working together. same with tim scott. >> speaking of -- as nikki haley said earlier, she accused desantis of echoing trump.
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here is an example potentially of that very thing. >> the doj and fbi have been wi weaponize. i will have folks to lockok at l these cases of people that are victims of political targeting. we will issue pardons. >> really not much daylight there between trump and desantis. >> not at all. there's a faction of the country that believes that the department of justice was weaponized in this january 6 prosecution. of course, the other faction is saying, weaponized? we are holding people accountable for what they did to this country. if you look at what's happened, they have done exactly that. like what? prosecuting over 1,000 people who were involved in the insurrection. like sentencing over 500 people who were involved in the insurrection. ultimately at the end of the day, you are going to look and you are going to take this as a political issue, with respect to
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january 6, or you are going to take it as an affront to our democracy where there were people that were killed. >> what do these comments do to the legal system. you work in the legal system. these are people running for president. >> these are not normal times. right? i don't think that's a news flash at all. it's unfortunate. it's very difficult to divorce now really discussions about the legal system from politics. if someone is being prosecuted, it's a political prosecution. it's not that they are being held accountable. why are you investigating? there are better things to investigate. the issue is that what it's doing to our system is it's troubling as a practitioner of the system to look at the politicalization of the system as opposed to looking at people being prosecuted for doing things that are wrong. >> katherine, $8.2 million, the desantis campaign claims. we cannot verify it. what does that tell you? >> if it's true, i guess -- >> there's reason to sometimes question that. sometimes they are not being truthful. >> fair.
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if it's true, it suggests there is donor support behind desantis, which there was already. i guess it depends who the donors are. desantis has been boosted by, i think, republican donors who are looking for a supposedly saner version of trump, an alternative to trump, without the bag gage. some have abandoned him because he picked fights with mickey mouse and things like that. if he is raising money, i guess he has a campaign left. >> there are probably some republicans also who just want a good, healthy primary. who want to keep him in the race so that he can be on that stage against trump. thank you for being here. news tonight on the new generation of weight loss drugs. could some of the most popular ones do more than just help people lose weight? could they cure other
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tonight, what could be a game changer, a more effective way to quickly lose weight may be right around the corner. instead of injections offered once a week by drugs, people are trying to shed pounds that could seen be able to pop a pill and do it that way instead. let's bring in weight loss surgeon, dr. charles proctor. thanks for joining us. these medications were already considered kind of a game changer when it came to diabetes and weight loss. now they could be administered so much more simply. what would that do? >> i think it would relieve a barrier to a lot of the patients who are squeamish about the idea of giving themselves an injection, even once a week. one is commercially available that's a pill that is taken a couple times a day, every day.
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that could be a barrier and that's a lot to remember. i think for a lot of people out there who are concerned or nervous about giving themselves a shot, the idea of a pill may seem more appealing. >> one of the other interesting things that's come out of the popularity of these drugs is some anecdotal evidence that perhaps it's helping people with other vices, let's call them, smoking, drinking alcohol, et cetera. what is behind that? >> this has been kind of a really exciting find for this new medication. this line of medications have sort of -- are becoming a swiss army knife of medications, if you will. something that was originally intended to help control type ii diabetes has excellent efficacy with regards to weight loss and addictive drugs such as alcohol can be limited by taking these medications, because they limit
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the introduction of these drugs into the system which makes them addictive. it's a very exciting new finding with this. >> that's so fascinating. a lot of people though look at this, especially the weight loss implications, and they say people are taking the get out of jail free card. you treat a lot of patients dealing with serious obesity issues. what do people need to understand about why these drugs might actually be needed to help treat patients like yours? >> unlike drugs that we have had in the past, which were basically appetite suppressants, these actually have biological affects that are similar to what we see inpatients after they have weight loss surgery, bare -- the effects of a hormonal affect. they are produced by the gi system. they act on the gi system
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slowing down empties from the stomach to help you feel faster and longer but also act on the brain to curb hunger signals. it's a wonderful adjunct to help people lose weight. you have to eat right and get exercise. but doing those things, this could be a natural way, if you will, even though taking a medication to help you achieve your goals. >> there's so much more we need to learn about what this could all mean. also about whether or not this will help us deal with chronic illnesses that are some of them stem from obesity, including diabetes and heart disease and other things. longer conversation that i'm sure we will have you back for. thank you very much. >> thank you. a shark attack in paradise. police say an american woman just had her leg bitten off while she was snorkeling. that raises serious concerns for
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tonight a 22-year-old american woman is in serious condition after a shark bit her leg off. that happened while she was snorkeling with a friend near a resort in turks and cakos. she was rescued by a crew by boat and hospitalized. over the weekend a 15-year-old girl was bitten by a shark in new jersey. and days before that a 13-year-old girl in florida fought off a shark that attacked her stomach, her arms, and legs. let's exlore all the facts on this with a shark specialist and host of discovery's "shark week." so, andy, everybody is probably wondering after i read that horrible list of events that happened, should they be afraid before they go into the water? >> i mean anytime you enter the ocean you have to understand sharks live there, predators live there. it's a calculated risk. anytime you enter the ocean just
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assume it could happen. it's highly unlikely. i mean one thing we have to understand is that although shark attacks are kind of scary relatively, statistically they're very rare, so we always have to approach any of these incidents with, you know, a scientific objective mind and not hype it up. >> what is the role of i guess what is termed mistaken identity in all of this? when sharks maybe are thinking you're something else, how does that factor into attacks like this? >> yeah, exactly. i mean there's a number of reasons why sharks will occasionally bite people, sometimes eat people. and mistaken identity is one of these big factors. but in that situation they think you're something else. visibility is murky, the water's rough. they think you're a seal. they think you're on a surf board, a white shark thinks you're a seal. in this case in turks and kakos it's an amazing dive location. the visibility is limitless, so
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in this situation i don't think it's a mistaken identity. another reason sharks bite people is curiosity. another reason is defense, they get aggressive and provoked because they're defending their territory and then lastly hunger. in this situation and based on my opinion and what i read there was reference it could potentially be a caribbean reef shark, but from what i'm hearing about loss of limb it could have been a tiger shark, a bull shark. i would put my money on either of those two species. >> you bravely in my opinion spent a lot of time swimming with sharks. and one of the factors in all of this, i understand, could be how the water temperature's changing. i mean what can you tell us about that? >> well, that's certainly another factor with the shifting in the climate and the changes in the oceans, everything from
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acidification to the temperatures is moving the prey around, it's moving the predators around. so sharks and humans are colliding seemingly more, but it's also a factor of humans using the water more. there's more coastal population that's exploding here in florida especially. so it's kind of tough to say. the bottom line is if sharks thought humans were a viable prey item, a food source they could eat regularly, they would. they would hunt and kill us every single day because we're slow, we're easy to catch. but the reality is, you know, everything we just talked about, mistaken identity, curiosity, defense, or hunger, these sharks -- you know, at the end of the day they are predators, we are protein, so it's a risk you take. my condolences to the family. this sounds like a really interesting situation where they're snorkeling offshore and then seemingly out of nowhere a shark comes and bites this woman's leg off, but i'm sure there's more to the story. >> it's horrible and scary, but
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to your point we're really not the food that they want, so maybe that's reassuring to some people. andy, thank you very much. and ahead on "cnn tonight" is a four-year degree worth the cost? more and more students are asking that very question, and college enrollment continues to slide. al alisyn camerota will take it up with mike roe of dirty jobs ahead.d. with behr, the #1 rated stain. and make your deck, yours. behr. exclusively at the home depot.
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tonight a mississippi mother is demanding answers after her 11-year-old son was shot in the chest on saturday by a police officer after the young boy called 911 for help following a domestic disturbance. and right now adarian is at home thankfully recovering, but a family attorney said he suffered from a collapsed lung, fractured
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ribs, and a lacerated liver in the shooting. and here's how his mother described what happened to him. >> i heard a shot, and i saw my son run out towards where we were. he ran from the inside of the house all the way out to where we were, and that's when he fell bleeding, shot. and i put pressure on the -- i put pressure on it to help stop it bleeding so much. i asked the cop i thought what happened, you know, he told me he shot my son, that he thought he didn't know. he came around a corner. there were no real explanations of what happened. >> and the family attorney says aderrien is traumatized and called for the officer involved in that shooting and the police chief to both be fired. you can go to cnn.com for more information about this story. and thank you for joining
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