ribs, and a lacerated liver in the shooting. and here's how his mother described what happened to him. >> i heard a shot, and i saw my son run out towards where we were. he ran from the inside of the house all the way out to where we were, and that's when he fell bleeding, shot. and i put pressure on the -- i put pressure on it to help stop it bleeding so much. i asked the cop i thought what happened, you know, he told me he shot my son, that he thought he didn't know. he came around a corner. there were no real explanations of what happened. >> and the family attorney says aderrien is traumatized and called for the officer involved in that shooting and the police chief to both be fired. you can go to cnn.com for more information about this story. and thank you for joining us.

"cnn tonight" with alisyn camerota is starting right now. hi. >> such a horrible story. we're going to be talking about the developments in that case as well. >>erary sad. >> that should never happy obviously, so we're going to try to figure out what went wrong. good evening. everyone. welcome to "cnn tonight." why was donald trump's staff moving boxes of documents around mar-a-lago when they knew that the fbi was coming the following day to look for classified documents? "the washington post" reports that investigators consider the timing here a potential sign of obstruction. so what happens now? our panel tells us what this means for the investigation. plus that 11-year-old mississippi boy called 911 for help during a domestic disturbance, but when police arrived as you heard they shot him, so we'll give you new developments in this case. and mike roe is here to talk tonight about why college enrollment is at its lowest point in years. two trump employees allegedly moving boxes of papers

at mar-a-lago just one day before fbi agents traveled there to pick up classified documents. and that's not all. "the post" reports investigators have evidence the former president kept classified documents out in the open in his office and showed them to others. we're going to bring in my panel. we have errol lewis, also rachel nichols, republican strategist jason osborn, and cnn political commentator s.e. cupp. here first to break down this legally is our cnn analyst laura coates. with all the developments what are the legal implications here for donald trump? >> wow, alisyn, i mean just think about it. one of the hardest things to do as a prosecutor is to figure out how i'm going to get inside the brain of a potential target. how do i figure out that person's intent? how do i figure out what they really wanted to do? and then you have the reporting

that suggests not just the documents were retained or they were moved but the possibility of even a dress rehearsal to figure out what to do when the national archives came to get the documents or a duly executed subpoena was actually issued and then fulfilled. it really does not bode well for an intended defendant or a target to have this type of information out there because it really confirms the possibility that you do have intent, the intentional act to try to obstruct a lawful investigation. and remember this is all falling under the presidential records act, alisyn. as you well know these documents don't belong to the former president donald trump. he had advance notice they did not. even if it wasn't inadvertent retention of documents he was certainly for months on notice that he was no longer supposed to have them. so reporting that suggests that there was a plan in place in addition to his own attorney having had to testify in front

of a grand jury, alisyn, and the attorney-client privilege being pierced and under the crime fraud exception, this does not bode well for donald trump to try to prove that he did not have the level of intent that a prosecutor needs to show. >> so if this reporting bears out -- and we've heard bits of pieces of this before. and jack smith, the special counsel has evidence of this. does merrick garland charge donald trump? >> well, remember he is not the first one to make the call. it would be the person he's given and designated the responsibility to jack smith in part because of the political implications here. obviously donald trump is the presumed front-runner in the gop primary. he's a former president. he has made no small news about the idea that he believes all of this is a perpetual witch hunt. and so there is a distant 10-foot pole that merrick garland wants to have between himself for obvious reason, the political appointee, the head of the executive branch under the

pleasure of president biden, the chief rival of the gop primary lead, and of course what's happening in this investigation. but if jack smith who has had the delegated authority to make the decision, makes that determination, it really binds merrick garland as the a.g. to make a decision based on what the evidence shows under the special counsel whose job it is to look at this. and so it is very likely in a case where there's not a whole lot of ambiguity unlike some other cases that might be brewing, if there's zero ambiguity and the evidence is there, merrick garland will likely have to follow the guidance of jack smith whatever it might be. >> okay, and the two staffers who reportedly moved these boxes of documents, are they in trouble? >> could be. i mean we've never seen -- i haven't seen a photograph if you have of donald trump carrying boxes anywhere.

i haven't seen him carrying documents or a delegation. if that person is involved in this, there is the potential liability and potential prosecution. however, think about there might be people who are voluntarily or actively cooperating to give the information, to convey that there is likely there was a dress rehearsal or otherwise. and i point again to evan corcoran. remember he was the attorney for donald trump. he tried to suggest he could not tell what may have been instructed to him or otherwise because of obviously the attorney-client privilege. we want any client to be able to be forthright and to be candid with their counsel to get legal advice. and we will shield those communications, alison, except if there's a crime or fraud afoot. and yes i said afoot at 10:00. we don't want to protect that. we don't want to use a shield of

attorney to further a crime. so a judge has already said you're going to have to testify about what you may have been instructed to in front of a grand jury. so he apparently had very detailed notes. whatever was contained in that secret grand jury proceeding will give us more insight as to who else might be liable or at least potentially heading to prosecution. >> it sounds like something's afoot, maybe even 2 feet. so thank you very much -- >> i knew you were going to say it. >> you knew knew that i was going to say something cheesy right there. >> i was right there with you. >> fantastic. great to see you. thank you very much for all of that. >> nice to see you, too. >> errol, the idea that the boxes were moved after they knew the fbi was coming, okay, they knew that they were being subpoenaed for this. and furthermore that he kept some of these. obviously they have evidence to have sources to say he kept some of these documents in the open

and showed them to people. you'll remember in the cnn town hall that he was asked about this by kaitlan collins, and his answer was a little peculiar, so let me just play that for everyone. >> when it comes to your documents did you ever show those classified documents to anyone? >> not really. i would have the right to. by the way they were declassified after -- >> what do you mean not really? >> not that i can think of. >> that sounds like the kind of thing you say under oath. this is donald trump during that town hall and in other settings has been trying out every defense that comes to mind. i can automatically just do it by an act of my mind. i didn't really show it to anybody, not really, i don't remember. but i could if i wanted to. he often has this habit of doing things in the open and trying to inoculate those actions by saying clearly i wasn't trying to deceive everybody. i just laid it out there and

everybody could see the boxes. that was something else he said during the town hall. everybody saw the boxes, what are you talking about? i'm not trying to do anything that's improper or illegal. so the problem for him, of course, is that that doesn't really comport with the law. when the national archives comes and asks or when a subpoena is executed and the justice department shows up, you're supposed to cooperate. and the noncooperation itself give rise to an offense so that even if everything he said was true, if he thought he could magically mentally declassify things, once the doj comes and says we have a subpoena, you have to give this stuff back and you don't do it or you have a rehearsal to sort of pretend you're going to do it, you get into a lot of trouble. and i think he's heading for a lot of legal trouble. >> rachel. >> look, the obstruction is one thing. and by the way, news at 11:00 donald trump doesn't have respect for american laws and rules of procedure. can they prove intent maybe. we'll have to see what the legal

process bears out. to me it's the showing people of these documents that really erupts red flags for me. we are talking about documents that have been reported as nuclear codes, national security about operations even our top national operatives don't know about. that's how secure these overseas operations are, and he's just showing them to business associates and friends, what, foofeed his ego and say how important he is. that to me is where the american electorate needs to pay attention. he's being reckless with american lives, that's just the bottom line. whether he thinks he was allowed to or not you look at the bottom line and show people. and what happens when he gets back into office and that reckless on behalf of his ego, which, gee, it's not a hard leap to think that will happen again. >> there's the process of it of why he was moving these things around, why was he keeping them

when the national archives was looking for, why was he showing them? and why did he want to keep them? obviously donald trump prides himself on being a great deal maker. did he want to make a deal with them? what was he doing with these? >> first off when the story came out the first thing i could think of what does it dress rehearsal look like of taking boxes at mar-a-lago? >> obstruction. it looks like obstruction. >> no, even from a more comedy side of it -- no, just like whose, okay we're going to practice moving this box from this room to this room, let's see what it looks like, right? can you move faster? in terms of your question and your point i have no idea what these documents could be. i know what we've heard is they could be codes. i have to think there were some pretty smart people that came in the new administration like we're changing everything so that no matter what was on these documents it's no longer valid. i also think it's kind of stupid, quite frankly, on trump's part to say, no, these documents were declassified and

not a big deal about it. the national archives knows what those documents are because he never created anything himself. and that's not just him. it's any president or any elected official. someone else creates the document and gives it to him. >> that's how they knew he still had boxes of them because they had a list that were missing. so, yeah, i think they are aware even more so than we are of what exactly it was. >> on the last point, i'm not convinced the documents are going to be what jack smith ends up focusing on. i think there's other stuff because keep in mind the independent counsel can actually look at other things. >> yeah, like what? >> from what i understand there's been folks that have been talked to from dhs and dod on things that what happened after the election. i think the investigation is more than just the classified -- >> he is also looking into january 6th, the seeds of the

election interference, et cetera, et cetera. >> it's not hard to imagine donald trump collecting these things. it's like trinkets and trophies. that feels very in his persona. but what i think is really interesting here is whether or not there will be political implications from this. right, like on earth one this would be bad for someone running for president, right? >> well, i seem to recall hillary clinton was occasionally -- >> disqualifying for her, lock her up. >> well, it was donald trump who was so outraged that she might have had some classified documents on her home server and he brought it up all the time. >> and listen, that was bad. >> you know what he said about it at the time? okay, listen to this just to remind you, s. e. >> we can't have someone in the oval office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified.

there you have it. >> there's a video for everything. but what's interesting is this should be disqualifying. of course, in today's republican party on earth two it is a windfall. and it is wild to me. ron desantis today -- today said he'd consider pardoning donald trump because of all the fbi deep state coming to get you witch hunt stuff. ron desantis wants to beat donald trump. ron desantis wants trump to be disqualified so that ron desantis can win, and yet you can't say what is obvious to a 5-year-old in this republican primary and this earth two republican party. it's wild. >> thank you for giving us the report from earth. we do need that reality check. thank you all very much. all right, now to this. an 11-year-old boy calls 911 for

help when his mother fears for his safety, and he's shot in the chest by a police officer. now the family is calling for that officer to be fired. we have more on the investigation next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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but when police showed up they accidently shot aderrien in the chest. his mother describes the chaos. >> i walked towards the end of my driveway where my mom was, and i heard a shot and i saw my son run out towards where we were. he ran from the inside of the house all the way out to where we were, and that's when he fell bleeding, shot. and i put pressure on the -- i put pressure on it to help stop it bleeding so much. i asked the cop -- i thought what happened you know he told me he shot my son, that he thought he didn't know, he came around the corner. there were no real explanations of what happened. >> we're happy to say aderrien survived. we're told he's recovering from his injuries, that his mother and demanding that the responding officer, greg capers, be fired and charged. he is on paid leave as this investigation continues.

we're back with the panel. we also have cnn chief law enforcement analyst john miller with us. john, explain how something like this can happen. >> well, something like this can't happen, but it did. so then you have to reach into what was going through the officer's mind when he pulled the trigger. and we don't know enough about this. we're told it's on body camera, so we could possibly learn a lot more about it once authorities kind of go through that footage, interview everybody who was on the scene, interview what other -- whatever other officers were on the scene. but i've investigated in new york and los angeles literally scores of police shootings from the outset. and when you look at a case like this his statement about the boy came around the corner quickly and, you know, i fired has some of the earmarks of an accidental discharge, and that's why you have to get into what was in the officer's mind because when the 911 call was given to them did

they say, okay, my ex-husband is here, it's 4:00 in the morning, he says let's get everybody out of the house and onto the driveway, let's clear the house, and he's startled and fired that shot. i've seen that before. it's where you're not supposed to have your finger in the trigger guard and you flinch out of fear and a shot goes off you didn't intend to fire. either way the question is going to be can -- you know, what is the officer's statement? what does the body cameras show, and frankly can he go on being a police officer? he's been in the u.s. military. he's been a police officer there for a while. he has another incident with the same -- >> i was going to ask about. do we know about his background? does he have some bad judgment in his past do you know? >> that other incident it's not clear whether that resulted in discipline or not, but the lawyer said he had a client he was tased while handcuffed, so you're going to have to do the entire 360-degree look at this officer's career. but the shooting of an 11-year-old boy you see this

child, there's no way to mistake him for the ex-husband or anybody else. this is clearly an issue where there's going to be a question about -- there's going to be two questions. one, does he have to be prosecuted? and that's going to be based on what the camera shows and what he says. but then the other, can he go on being a police officer. >> well, this is a sad story all around. i have to assume this police officer didn't intentionally shoot a child. i'm also really glad that this child's going to be okay physically. mentally i'm sure not. look, i am a big supporter of law enforcement, but i don't support anything blindly. and there have been a not small number of these accidental discharges or accidental shootings. and i think it's something that really needs to be looked at as we're talking more about criminal justice reform and police brutality. and i don't know that that fits in this category, but we're

looking at a large category. this cannot happen. and stuff like this seems to happen too frequently, and that cannot be the collateral damage of law enforcement, just doing their job. it cannot be. >> does it feel like officer -- when something like this happens, errol, does it feel to you they're scared? there's something about training that's gone wrong and they're scare snd. >> there's something about training systems that has gone wrong. for example, if a 911 call came from an 111-year-old somewhere in that system that information should have been transmitted to the officer. there's an 11-year-old that call, that person is going to be there so that you're not there. and if you're scared and flinching and this is reminisce want of that horrible case where a 911 goes there's a kid here and it's probably a play gun but

he's hanging around this playground. and the cop show up and second like 3 seconds later they zoom up and kill the child. >> he was a little kid. >> it was a really little kid. and it ourned out the officer had had a whole string of problems, sort of been kicked off the force and raised a lot of systemic questions about how the 911 call was handled, the training of the officers. and there's this issue out there about do people who have bad disciplinary records are they able to just move from department to department? so all those questions are going to be raised all over again. of course your heart has to go out though of us who have sons you spend so much time from the birth to the vaccinations, you watch their little bodies grow and have someone shot at close range like that is devastating. >> cnn has called this police department to try to get information. they haven't returned our calls, and we've seen when police departments have done something really well and they have transparency and they open up

their records to try to fix whatever the problem is. and then we see them when they don't. >> look, it's hard for a citizen and parent to there'd be any reason this officer would shoot this child. it's hard to imagine. but if you have one tell me what it is. and every day that body cam footage doesn't come out and it's been multiple days, that tells me you have no reason. and by the way, being scared, he came around the corner, not a reason to shoot someone. i think we've gotten so off topic the incident on the new york subway, someone was being threatening. okay, that's not a capital offense. i'm scared by a little boy, a 4'10" coming around the corner? that's not an excuse. someone came around the corner at me so i shot them, we wouldn't let that stand, that person would go to jail. the threshold for a police officer has to be higher, not lower than for a regular citizen. and by the way the report came in there were children in the house part of a disturbance, and if you are a police officer

responding to that situation you are supposed to be trained for the nuance that you are trying to get the assailant and not the victims. that doesn't seem so difficult to me, and it's just mysterious this has dragged on for as many days as it has. i feel awful for this poor family. >> thank you all very much for all those perspective. now to this, college enrollment is down by a million students. so what is behind that? well, is it the pandemic? is it the expense? mike rowe of dirty jobs has a lot of thoughts on this next.

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foundation is here to tell us. as the parent of two seniors going off to college in september it felt as competitive as ever. i was stunned to hear there are a million fewer kids enrolling than there were pre-pandemic levels, so what do you think is going on? >> well, selfishly i hope that the drum we've been beating for the last 15 years over at mike rowe works might have am impact. i'm not trying to dissuade people from considering a college education, i've been on the on the other hand trying to get people to look at all the options available and be really, really honest about the cost. never has anything in the history of western civilization gotten more expensive more quickly than a four-year degree in the last 30 years. it's exponential. you know, it's increased faster than food, energy, real estate, health care, really everything. and so it's got a long tail this

thing, but i think the numbers have finally caught up with a lot of households who have simply said, look, if we can get our kid in a trade school and have him or her learn a skill that's actually in demand and get out with very little debt, that kid's going to have a colossal head start in the workforce, and that's just the data and that's just the facts. and i'd be lying if i said i wasn't just a little gratified to see the headlines catch up with my own smackch. >> no, seriously, when i red this i thought oh, my gosh the world has caught up with mike rowe, what you have been telling us for years. do you think this was brought on by the pandemic, or do you think it's just the sticker shock finally being prohibitive for so many families? >> yes, yes, and probably a bunch more things, too. this thing is -- it's like nailing jell-o to a tree, you know. it's very difficult to pin down exactly what the underlying problem is and what the

overarching solution might be. personally i think we can walk it all the way back to that ridiculous day we pulled shop class out of high schools and started telling kids that the best past for the most people was the most expensive path. since then a lot of unintended consequences have started to evolve, and a lot of myths and misperceptions and stigmas and stereotypes around the trades have taken hold. i think what we're starting to see now is slow realization is that, no, wait, you actually can make six figures welding. you don't really have to go $150,000 in the hole to come out with a skill that makes you incredibly marketable. so the facts are starting to catch up. the evidence demands a verdict, right? and the evidence is coming in. >> and yet there is still evidence that a four-year, you know, traditional college degree will pay off more than just a

high school graduation certificate. so here are the numbers. lifetime earnings by educational attainment -- well, let's go over to high school. high school diploma 1.6 million lifetime earnings versus a bachelor's degree, 2.8 million. >> well, if it were that binary everybody would make a simple decision and we wouldn't be having this conversation. there wouldn't be $1.7 trillion in outstanding student loans. there wouldn't be literally millions of kids with degrees who can't find work in their chosen field. the thing that's not really on that chart, i mean it alludes to it, but the number of people who start college and don't finish is colossal. and when those people drop out, they don't drop out with a clean slate. they drop out with a lot of debt. and no degree to apply it toward. so, look, i -- macroeconomics is not my things.

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she's the lead welder there making mid-six figures. story after story after story, welders don't look like the person you're imagining in your mind right now. not every plumber is 300 pounds with a butt crack in a sitcom. those are the stigmas i'm talking about. those are the perceptions and misperceptions that a lot of well-intended parents have. and look, guidance counselors to this day in realtime as we speak they're getting bonused based on their ability to help a kid get into a four-year school, not into a trade school. so, again, it's not this is good or this is bad or this is better or this is worse, but trade jobs are not vokakzal consolation prizes. and the path to a four-year degree, look you can look at the numbers, but when you really get down to the individual stories, some will break your heart and some will inspire you, but in the end work ethic still matters and the willingness to master a

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ozempic for two months. >> two months. >> and did you lose weight? >> i did. within the first three weeks i think i lost like 10 pounds and then it stalled for a little while. >> was it easy? were their side effects? >> i didn't have any side effects necessarily. to her point about the emptying of the stomach without getting too graphic i think there were some things that didn't empty as normally as they did before. >> that is the nicest way i've heard -- >> let's discuss that. >> overall you were happy with the results. >> yeah, i was happy. i wouldn't necessarily say it suppressed my appetite, it was just i felt fuller when i was eating, right? >> okay, then why did you go off it? >> because insurance didn't cover it for me. now, my family has a history of diabetes and so i was prediabetic, still am, i think, and they wouldn't cover it and so i had to pay out-of-pocket for it. and i just i didn't want to pay

anymore. now if they keep adding things it's going to stop doing like i told you earlier if it gets my hair back, i'm back on it. >> well, that's funny because now they are finding that there are other additional benefits of it. for instance, is it helping with various addictions? >> so this is something that people sort of noticed as they've been taking the drug and being tested formally in clinical trials right now. we can't say if you take this you're not going to have addictive behaviors anymore. but something doctors told me they've seen in patients is people lose interest in drinking so that's one thing in particular and there's a story in the atlantic that detailed people stop nail biting, maybe they don't do compulsive shopping quite as much. scientists are trying to understand what they're doing that could potentially be causing this and maybe this could be a drug for that as well. >> rachel, you live in l.a. you have some experience hearing about this drug. >> it's amazing. i've never done it, because s.e.

and i were talking during the break, i would say 25% of people i run into have had some weight loss and they say ozempic or -- it's become one of the things in certain places it's not even being whispered anymore. it's about $1,000 a month and i think it's another case where rich people in this country have access to better health care than people not able to afford that kind of thing, and yet you see obesity in this country. 2 in 5 adults are considered obese. 1 in 5 children are considered obese. we know with all the secondary conditions that come with obesity and talk about being prediabetic. there's this push and pull you shouldn't need a drug, you shouldn't have a cheat. you should be able to stop eating without a drug making you feel like you're more full. the bottom line is it's not happening. portions of in this country are four times the size than they are in europe. if we something that can help people take better care of

themselves and stop those secondary conditions i think people have to take a second look at it. it's not just a vanity thing. >> s.e., when you see people and they've lost a dramatic or significant amount of weight do they look better because i've also heard there's something called ozemmic face. >> i've seen some people i know have to deal with a lot of extra skin because you're supposed to lose weight more slowly. but i know a lot of people on this especially in television and reality television. a lot of people are on it. they're not whispering about it anymore. and i think there's a lot of people who need this drug and then a lot of people just want this drug. and i worry from a place having come from a childhood with eating disorders and all of that, i worry it's sort of reawakening this culture of thin that we had really tried to eradicate for many, many years, you know, restoring healthy body

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feelings about ice and thanks to starbucks, does feelings are on display. starbucks announced they're changing the ice they use in their drinks. they're going from chipped ice to, quote, nugget ice. people are losing their minds. i am back with jason osborne and rachel -- allred, so this is chip ice, right, which looks like little cubes, but they are like little squares. and then nugget ice is smaller like crushed ice. >> it's like the soft, kind of truly. >> it's more like a pellet. >> it's not truly, it's just cross-ites. >> it's not as loud as this. >> this is bladder? >> tried to buy down on the, and it's unsecure break a tooth. this should have been in everybody's kitchen from the get-go. this right here -- >> the new ice is better. >> the new ice, nugget ice, is

taller and better. you're happy that starbucks -- >> 100 percent, sonic in the south, this is all they do. they're lemonade, strawberry lena date. >> let's cut to the chase, this is a serial killer ice. this is happy i.c.e.. we're missing two other kinds of ice. >> where are they? >> you had a big giant black ice in a cocktail. >> those are sexy. >> you're just happy, right? and then there is what i like to call doing too much ice which is when you're on tiktok or instagram, there's a whole trend right now in particular of people freezing things through their large blocks of ice to the people take like a rose. daca off right at the but, put the roads and the ice box, put water in it, freeze it and put it on the spot with a champagne or cocktail -- >> doing too much time. >> that is doing too much ice. that is what i see scott. nobody should do that. >> this is god's ice.

>> the nugget ice -- >> finally, we've advance as a supposition who have not get ice. >> if i've had one recommendation for bud light, it's packager bud light in the ice and then went back every voter, every conservative. >> are you saying to water down bud light? >> put your butt play in some pell ice, and i think conservatives will forget about that. >> i used to only be on the outside. by the way, it's on the americans to put it on the inside. we are scorned for it all over the globe. i don't care, i stand proudly. >> you guys thought about this, i can throw. >> it's important topic, alison. >> when you go to circle k in the south, you had two kinds of ice, this ice or pellet ice. >> thank goodness, you guys have clear this up an educated me about this. i appreciate it. >> do you get to take this one? >> not that garbage ice. >> that's for the next hour.

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