tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 25, 2023 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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>> good evening. we have two big stories breaking tonight. new word, the debt ceiling talks may be -- may be -- yielding progress. we are going to talk to senator bernie sanders shortly. -- how much evidence federal investigators may have to show the former president obstructed jacks this in the mar-a-lago documents case. it comes tonight from the washington post. and the headline is stunning. trump workers moved mar-a-lago
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boxes a day before fbi came for documents. new details, including alleged dress for herself removing sensitive paper showy focus on donald trump's instructions and intent. in a moment we will talk to legal analyst elie honig, who joins us. but first, post political -- josh dorsey, who shares a byline on the breaking story. josh, can you just lay out the sequence of events at mar-a-lago based on your reporting? >> sure. so, in may of 2022, federal prosecutors subpoena former president trump for all classified documents that he still has in his possession. after that period of time, some of the boxes that are in the storage room are moved into other parts of mar-a-lago. one day before federal prosecutors come to pick up this subpoenaed material on june 3rd, the boxes are moved back into our storage room. on june 3rd, prosecutors are taken to the storage room and
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said, this is how all the classified documents are held. you cannot look through the boxes. but this is where they are all held. and trump's assistants signed an attestation that say, everything we have -- we know that not to be true. they are more than 100 classified documents. they were all over parts of the residents. so, it's interesting, of prosecutors, is why were the boxes moved in and out of the storage room in that period of time? and why were they moved back one year before federal authorities came to search the area. >> a new reporting, to prosecutors, and i'm -- gathered evidence indicating that trump had at times classified documents in his office in a place where they were visible and sometimes showed them to others, and quote, which is -- i mean, it's remarkable reporting. how key to the special counsel's investigation could that be? >> it's certainly important -- asked multiple witnesses this
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question, in grand jury interviews, and interviews with the fbi. they've learned from multiple people that he did to do this. what his team had maintained, anderson, was that it was a haphazard packing and storing process, the boxes were put in storage room. all of this was kind of much ado about nothing. and what witnesses have said is that that's not true. there were certain documents that he had a particular affinity for that he would show visitors when he came, but he would keep in his office. >> is the implication of what you are reporting that trump employees move the boxes out of storage when they knew they were -- going to be picked up or under subpoena, they were moved out, that trump looked at them to see what he wanted to maybe keep? and then he returned them right before the fbi came in? >> that's what we are trying to figure out, anderson, is exactly what happened in that time period and these boxes were moved. they came back, the night before and obviously, as you know now, there were documents found in many other places at mar-a-lago.
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the residence, his office, the pine room off the residents. and we've been trying to figure out what exactly happened. what we were told, happened was that evan corcoran, the lawyer for former president trump, did a thorough search of the boxes in the storage room. but what seems to happen now, the boxes left the storage room for some period of time, and came back, literally, hours before the federal authority showed up to pick up the documents. >> you are also writing, the that trump and his aides allegedly carried out a dress rehearsal what some have called, for moving sensitive papers. what does that mean, address a dress rehearsal? and where does that term come from? >> the whole saga dates back to 2021 when former president trump leaves office, and the national archives is aware that he took things improperly, they want them back. and if you remember, in that period, former president trump was resistant giving these back and, he said, these documents are mine and he told a lot of
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assistance not to give them back, and eventually the national archives said we're going to involve the department of justice in congress. he gives back those 15 boxes. in february 2022. in that period, what we're told, a lot of his actions on how not to give all the material back and what to do were analogous to what he did when doj than asked for the boxes. and judge beryl howell of the d.c. appeals court wrote in an 86-page opinion that what happened with -- norah nara -- whensk documents. >> so, is it clear to you how many of these trump employees, allegedly involved with moving the boxes have been interviewed by the special counsel's team? and who is paying their legal bills? >> we know both of the trump employees have been interviewed by the special counsel's team. and we know that the former
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presidents pack, save america, has paid at least some of the legal bills for both of these people. one of them, as we reported, louise walton nada, the former presidents valet, you see him on the plane with him at these rallies, he's carry boxes. he's's personal aide, the second one, whose identity is not known, is a person who worked for the former president. in florida. >> josh, appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. >> cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, elie honig is here. none of this, obviously, is good news for the former president. a lot of these details are new as well. >> yeah, a lot of it's really interesting. the key thing that prosecutors have to prove here, is knowledge and intent. with respect to the documents. first of all, did donald trump know he had those documents? there is no question whatsoever now that he knew about these documents. the reporting was that he went through them himself. he showed them to people. there's always been a question about intent. what was he going to do with these documents? he wasn't posting them online. he wasn't as, far as we know, selling them to anyone. but the reporting detail that he was showing them to other people.
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at least tells us that he was giving this information out to some selected people for some selected reasons. i'd want to dig in on that. >> there is a crime of mishandling classified document, showing them to people, random people, in your office that seems to be mishandling. them. >> yeah, it's important to understand, they're sort of two buckets of primes here. there are several statutes that cover mishandling, destroying, stealing. classified or sensitive documents. and if you take them, knowing that you shouldn't, and i think that's what the sort of dress reversal that josh just talked about went to, the fact that he knew he shouldn't have these, that could satisfy those crimes separately, there's obstruction. and that that gets to the point that josh was just talking about. of moving documents into and out of storage areas that the day before it shortly after the doj team, not the search warrant, but the doj team of lawyers, came to get the subpoena response. that could tell you something about, are they trying to play people with please? >> there is also just reporting just the other day of special counsel looking at the trump organization in a business dealings they had from 2017 on
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with foreign governments or foreign actors. and one supposition would be possibly, was there any correlation between classified documents that he wanted to have and any business dealings? >> logically, that one really jumped off the page to me. there's only two things that could be. what you said, anderson, is there some link between these classified documents and any foreign dealings, foreign business, foreign nationals, foreign countries. or, it could, be and it's not really anything beyond this, but it could be that they've expanded the scope of their investigation, and getting into some of the financial dealings. we've not seen any other facts to indicate that. >> the timeline of where the special counsel investigation is going, i, mean there's been reporting what the grand jury, hasn't met for a while. there was a flurry of activity, now there's none. what does it tell you? >> it definitely feels like in the game for me. and the fact that donald trump's team has asked for this meeting, with the attorney general, is a fairly common move that happens, not necessarily the very, very last thing, but you wouldn't do that in the middle of a case. and as prosecutors, you normally want to keep the
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defense sort of, at least loosely updated on where you are. and usually, that kind of meeting, which happens, where defense lawyers come in and make a pitch and say, hey, here's why you should not charge our client. that's something that logically and normally would happen towards the very end of a case. >> elie honig, appreciate. it also today, tough sentencing in connection with january 6th. 18 years for stewart rhodes, the leader and cofounder the so-called oath keepers. 12 years for kelly meggs, head of the groups florida chapter. both men were convicted of seditious conspiracy. the judge in the case telling, stewart rhodes, quote, you pose an ongoing threat to democracy in a fabric of this country. earlier today, newly declared presidential candidate, ron desantis, weighed in, not on these two specifically, but on the criminal justice system that convicted. the in his power, if elected, to grant pardons. appearing on a conservative talk show, he was asked, quote, do you think the january 6th defenders to have the -- their cases by a republican president? here's some of what he had to say. >> the doj and fbi have been weaponized. on day one, i will have folks that will get together and look
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at all these cases who people are victims of weaponization of political targeting. and we will be aggressive in issuing pardons. >> he said he would do it on a case by case basis. but did not rule out pardoning anyone, including the former president, these remarks follow these last night on fbi director chris wray, trump appointee, should be noted. >> i would not keep chris wray as director of the fbi, there would be a new one on day one. i think the doj and fbi have lost their way, i think that they've been weaponized, against americans who think like me and you. and i think they've become very partisan. >> we should point out, despite this being a very popular talking point on the right, there's no evidence the fbi or justice department has been weaponized against conservatives, or that any of the january 6th related cases so far have been wrongly brought. joining us, now anthony scaramucci, who served as white house communications director of the previous ministration. >> anthony, no one should be surprised. it says a lot of the republican party, that the two leading candidates right now are going after the most important and
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legitimate institutions of law on order in this country. >> just harken back 30 years ago, where the republican party was the law, in order party, i think that this is all virtue signaling to their side. and so this is a little bit ironic, and governor desantis, he doesn't like the woke culture. he wants to rebuke the left for doing the same thing that he's doing on the right. and, so a more sensible strategy, a more presidential look, would be that i respect the rule of law, i will meet with everybody, and evaluate the personnel that i'm bringing into the white house. and the personnel that i'm keeping, typically, we keep the fbi director. so, chris wray should not be let go. and if you talk like that, though, he probably wouldn't get anywhere close to the republican nomination. anderson, so, that's the big problem right now. who's gonna step up in the chasm and actually speak like a president, think like a president, unite the country, bringing our values back
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together and talk to people in a common sense way. instead of listening to political consultants tell them, you have to get further to the right than donald trump, because if he falls out of the race, you're gonna be the guy that takes over and you've got to get his base. so, i'm hoping for a more transformative candidate than that. instead of the stuff that we're getting right now. >> i mean, again, as we -- and we've talked about this endlessly -- enough primary, with a lot of candidates, if trump has 30%, that is presidential behavior now. what desantis is doing, is essentially, president trump's playbook. >> yes, i obviously disagree with that. as an entrepreneur, we need and entrepreneurial candidate. that would actually build at the base of the republican party. think about what barack obama did in 2008, he went up against hillary clinton, and the democratic establishment, and he built a new market for himself. so, what i would like to see, a republican party candidate
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reject those values and go into the marketplace and find the voters. you and i both know, there's 144 million people that do not vote, that are registered to vote, and with the right messaging, you can bring a lot of young people into that campaign. i did like what governor desantis said about bitcoin the other night on twitter spaces. there is stuff that he's doing that makes sense. but this hard right move to win the primary is very old school stuff. and we don't need that right now in the country. we need a unifying figure and somebody that can build the demography of the republican party, not good that hard right tack. what >> did you think of his -- doing that on -- on obviously there are the glitches that obviously -- it was disastrous for him. but you know there are a lot of folks talking about how he wasn't talking about working americans. he's hobnobbing with elon musk and some tech billionaire, i guess, or multimillionaire.
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>> i liked it. i think the fact that we were all talking about it -- i mean, i'm sure he wasn't happy with the glitches -- people seem to be focused on that. but it's an interesting medium and it's interesting use case. and i think he has opened up the platform for other people to do that. i think -- one of the things i think mr. musk wants to have happen is to create a purple platform. but unfortunately, in our society right now, we are sort of either red or blue. and so now that governor desantis has done that i think it's going to be hard for the democrats to want to take that lane. i hope they consider that. because i do take elon musk at his word, if he's trying to broaden out that platform and make that platform a platform for free speech. but i did like it. and if those numbers are correct, you've got six and a half million impressions, then it by a large worked and the fact that you and i are talking about it right now is probably another sign. >> in just the last 24 hours since announcing, to santa's has taken on the former president in a more direct, way something he's been reluctant to do up until now.
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i want to play something he said in a radio interview. >> i don't know what happened to donald trump and this is a different -- 2016 and i think the direction he's going in with his -- it's an interesting argument. he's not really criticizing what he did before. he's just saying, oh, he's changed. >> we will have to see when he gets hit with the contact and it's like -- punched in the face. so we will have to see the counter punching donald trump with those maneuvers. again, i think mr. desantis would be better served just -- a good governor, i was a really good track record. the country needs to heal. you need to have an american renewal and let me tell you what my plans are, that represent that as opposed to trying to do this micro verbal surgery splitting participants and whatnot and and get the trump's base without overly isn't aiding trump, let me just
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give the governor a news flash, you've already overly alienated donald trump by entering the race, so anything you do now, in terms of subtlety, is not could be noticed by the former president. >> anthony scaramucci, appreciate it. thank you. >> coming up next, senator bernie sanders on tonight's breaking news and the ceiling talks reportedly closing in now on the 11th hour compromise. we will talk to senator sanders life. developing treatments to help unlock humanity's full potential. these are the greats: people living with, thriving with — not held back by — disease. they motivate us to fight diabetes and obesity, rare diseases and cardiovascular conditions, for generations to come. so, everyone can meet their moment. because your disease doesn't define you. so, what will? novo nordisk. driving change. obviously, we got termites. well, first thing is, you gotta know what they're bitin' on. whoa, yeah! this aged birchwood is perfect for the big ones this time of year. ho-ho! they gobble it up like a candy bar. nice. woman: what's going on?
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the white house officials and republican lawmakers are closing in on a deal that would raise the debt limit for two years capital spending on everything but federal -- military and veterans in -- broad terms, according to the times, the emerging top my squid level publicans point to spending reductions and democrats to say they had spared most domestic programs from significant cuts. joining us now is remounted upend it senator bernie sanders who chairs the senate health, education labor and pensions committee. -- senator, spanish appreciate you being with us. a, have you heard anything tonight about a deal along those lines. and if so, how does it sound to you? >> it's only what i read in the new york times and it may be right. it may be wrong. but anderson, i want to say this. the idea that the republicans are holding hostage the entire world economy, unless they get what they want, has been an outrageous display of extremist politics. and it really is unacceptable. the second point that we have to appreciate is right now in america, you have a middle class which is shrinking, you have 60% of our people living
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paycheck to paycheck, childcare system in disarray, health care system collapsing, housing all over the country, people can't afford housing. you don't cut programs that working people desperately need. what you do do and what has to be done's is demand that the wealthiest people in this country -- who are doing phenomenally well -- start paying their fair share of taxes, you have to demand that corporate interest receiving record breaking profits stop start paying their fair share of taxes, you have to start cutting military spending, when we are spending more than the next ten nations combined -- there are ways that you can cut government spending without doing it on the backs of some of the most vulnerable people in this country. >> a lot of those things, though, particularly military spending, republicans have drawn a line on that. where would you -- where is the negotiation from if you were running these negotiations, what would you give?
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>> anderson, it's not good enough for them to say, oh, we have a huge campaign contributions from billionaires. we don't want to tax them. oh, we love the military industrial complex, we don't want to cut military spending off the table. well it's not off the table. what should be off the table are children in america, where we have the highest rate of childhood poverty of almost any major country. that should be off the table. the needs of elderly people who are struggling to pay for their prescription drugs, that should be off the table. what we could do if we pay the same prices for prescription drugs as they do in europe, that's what medicare paid, we would save a trillion dollars over ten years. do they republicans have the guts to take on the pharmaceutical industry? i don't think so. it's not what they want, it's what the american people want, and i think what i'm talking about is precisely what the ordinary americans want. >> you have called for president biden to invoke the 14th amendment, which says the quote, validity, the public debt of the united states should not be questioned. how
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would that play out in practical terms? why do you think that is the way to go? >> i think that if the republicans are prepared to hold the entire world economy hostage and say, hey, mr. president, you've got no alternative but to make -- no alternative. president does have an alternative. as you indicated, the 14th amendment it's pretty clear. the validity of pain off of our national debt is not questionable. that is the 14th amendment. i think should invoke it. that would mean in practical terms, i believe, it -- it has never been done before. is that we would continue to pay our bills. i suspect that it would be challenged in the courts very quickly, i think the courts do not want to see the world economy crumble, and i think it would be sustained. >> does the -- there are democrats who believe that invoking that essentially is absolving congress of what their responsibilities are, and it should remain in congress. what about that argument? >> it's an argument, and i'm not here to tell you that i
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think the 14th amendment is a wonderful solution. it's about all that we have left. it is a better solution than the republican approach, which says, in their original proposal, a ten-year program proposal which would have made massive cuts for the elderly, the children, the sick, and the poor. if that's the alternative, the 14th amendment looks pretty good. but i'm not here to tell you that's a great option. the option is that you do what we've always done throughout history, is you raise the debt ceiling, you do not default, you don't threaten to default, and then you have an argument about the budget. that's what you do in a democratic society. not hold the world economy hostage, which is what the republicans are doing. >> what is extraordinary about what they are doing, is it is in such stark contrast to how they behaved under the former president, in terms of the debt ceiling. >> absolutely. they raise the that ceiling, if i recall
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correctly, three times under trump, and by the way, we raised our national debt by something like a trillion dollars over that period. but it's not just trump, we have done it with republicans, we have done it with democrats, that's what you do. and let's be clear, everybody should know this. this is not a budget issue. we are not arguing here which we should be spending next year. it is simply just paying the bills that republicans voted for last year and in previous years. we are paying off our debt, and when you are the largest economy in the world, that is what you do. >> if you make a deal now, democrats could revisit your budget priorities if and when they win back control of the house. or if they win back the white house. would that be a better path than default? >> i -- default is a terrible path, it would cause global anarchy, but the alternatives are also very,
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very bad. again, what i think is, you have a normal budget process. republicans want to cut, i want to make investments in our children and health care and education. let's argue it out. but the other thing that, anderson, worries me very much is that republicans get away with holding the economy hostage, this sets a precedent for years to come. you talk about in the future -- and the normal process that we go through, we have committees, they argue, all that stuff, that's. gone and people say okay, budget ceiling is coming, we will go through this again. that is a pretty bad way to develop budgets. >> senator bernie sanders, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. >> ukrainian -- a naval drone attack on a russian ship, what happens, and the other drone that's in the war when three 60 360 continues.
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unmanned votes targeting the ship did manage to get. through this follows the recent aerial attack on the kremlin, and not the only incident saying -- we have seen ukraine think the black sea flag ship, and this week we saw fighters from two anti putin groups launch a cross border raid into russia. -- talk to some of the members of that group. >> the propaganda coup, russian dissident soldiers back from a rate inside russia, berating at captured russian vehicle for the world. effect of this raid was amazing. it was information bomb, about today's whole internet, blowing up boiling. >> these men -- and they carry ukrainian military i. d. s. >> this incurs on international territory, which these guys say is ongoing. as much a
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propaganda mission as it was a military mission. but they say it was also done independently of the ukrainian military. that is a claim we have to take with a big pinch of salt. >> they jointly rated russian territory this week, and flooded the internet with images of their work. russia claims to have driven them out, still, the rate has rattled moscow. >> do you think this is part of the coming summer offensive, an attempt to keep the russians off balance, keep them guessing? >> i think it's kind of, yes, it's kind of. it's >> an american made a vehicle has appeared to have been used in the cross border operation in belgorod. it is unclear whether they were u.s. donations. >> the vehicles that you took included some of the american emirates, is that right?
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>> we used -- we buy them in international -- >> >> so you bought these vehicles on the open market. >> everyone who has money can do it. >> ukraine's government, which has received u.s. vehicles and lethal hardware says that these men operated inside russia privately. security source says that kyiv had advance knowledge of the raid, and they have admitted ukraine helped out with supplies. >> small arms artillery weapons, vehicles, everything that we need. >> so this was a rate that the government can deny, but still enjoy the results. divisions in the ranks of their enemies, mercenary leader yevgeny prigozhin immediately reacting with fury. [speaking non-english] >> the far-right leader of the russian volunteer warned that moscow could face a revolution. >> the operation is ongoing, this is how i should put it to be honest. it definitely has
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various phases, so phase one we considered a successful phase. it's over now, but the operation is ongoing, that's what i can say for. now >> it's -- it's really fascinating to hear from them. they sound very confident, they also sound like they want you to believe that there will be more attacks from these kinds of groups on russian soil. how likely is that? >> i think it's pretty likely, anderson, in that they are relatively small aid numbering in the hundreds rather than thousands. these russian citizens. they are also trying to hook up with partisan groups, deeper into the country, trying to inspire other people into acts of sabotage, ultimately. and then at the same time, the
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ukrainians are prosecuting these sorts of attacks behind the russian lines here inside ukrainian territory. either with special forces or now with longer range weaponry that they've been getting from nato partners, the united kingdom supplying the storm shut out cruise missile that may have been behind the recent explosion in a russian occupied town more than 100 kilometers, some 80 miles or so, behind the front lines. >> thanks for that report. joining us now, cnn analyst mark hertling. general hertling, in terms of ukraine's fight against russia, are these cross border raiders affective? >> in all of those ways anderson. when you are conducting raids or demonstrations, it causes the enemy to take a look at what they are doing, and where they are defending. what you ar e
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talking about along the border between ukraine and russia on the eastern part of the country, is close to probably 1000 kilometers, 600 or 700 miles. the russians cannot defend across that entire length and breadth, so anytime you have a raid like this that gets in very quickly, causes a little bit of disruption and some chaos, and then moves out very quickly, you see the enemy reacting to that. just like the russians did. the russians claim they killed 70 of these raiders. it is just not true. you can tell by talking to that commander just now that he didn't lose a whole lot of people, in fact he said he lost one soldier and two were wounded. but it caused a lot of disruption on the russian side. >> what do you make of where the war is right now for ukraine? >> i think ukraine is continuing to conduct shaping
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operations, and these kinds of rates and demonstrations are a part of that. you see continued strikes by ukraine against key elements of the russian military. you see not only these rates that are taking place that they can basically say hey, we don't know who did that, but we know it's helpful, all the way to the bombing or disruption of artillery depots and ammo dumps in places like -- which happen today. you see, like you showed earlier, the unmanned surface of vessels going after a russian ship, it's just 1000 knife cuts against russia, and it's all part of shaping operations for ukrainians to determine where the weeks spots are in the lines. where they can attack, and how the russian forces are moving their elements around to address different threats coming from unexpected directions. >> you said shaping operations. so it sort of probes, in a way? >> it is probes, its intelligence gathering, it's preparation of the battlefields a bite different attacks using artillery to strike command posts, ammo dumps, railroad crossings, places that disrupt the enemy activity and cause the enemy commander to take a different approach or to move
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forces, or to defend things that he didn't want to defend in the past. or do you continue to guess at where the ukrainians might come next. and it takes active russian forces away from the defensive lines, if they've been building for the last few months, and put them in other places like border posts, so that the ukrainians will see this movement and use that to their advantage, to attack in places where the russians aren't. >> just quickly, prigozhin, the head of the wagner group, set an interview that 20,000 voter troops had died in the attempt to take over bakhmut. do you think that's an accurate number? and if so, what does that say about the fight? >> i believe that's a lowball number from only the u.s. intelligence. that significantly less than they lost their bye cat. but it's also prigozhin continuing to insult the minister of defense show you, and the chief general
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you're awesome of. so when they fail, if there's any failure, he can say see that, i was the guy that was attacking and having great success, you pulled me off line, you took away my wagner group, and now you all have to suffer the consequences of failure. so he's insulting, and he's also prepping a future battlefield from a political standpoint, to gain more power inside the kremlin. >> general hertling, appreciate. it just ahead, a shocking new developments in the murder of gabby petito at the hands of her fiancée brian laundrie. it turns out laundrie's mom gave him a letter, gave her son a letter that included the words burn after reading. we will tell you what's in the water, and what laundrie's parents have to say
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to his mom. you may remember gabby petito, her remains were found in wyoming in 2021 after she and laundrie set off on a cross-country trip. laundrie returned from the trip without gabby petito, and disappeared weeks later. according to the fbi, laundrie took his own life, he had a notebook that he was responsible for herds death. -- cnn has obtained a copy of the letter, marked burn after reading. >> as we all know, the letter references burying a body. bringing a shovel, and burying a body. baking a cake and putting a ship in it. >> gabby petito's family and brian laundrie's family battle it out in a florida courtroom, over a letter written by roberta laundrie to kherson. investigators found the undated
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lever in brian's backpack, close to his remained when they were discovered on october 20th 2021 at florida's carlton reserve. you are my boy, nothing can make me stop loving you. nothing will, or could ever divide us. no matter what we do or where we go, or what we say. we will always love each other. if you are in jail, i will bake a cake with a file in its. if you need to dispose of a body, i will show up with a shovel and garbage bags. the petito's say the letter is evidence the laundrie's already knew gabby was dead when brian returned home alone in the fall of 2021. the laundrie's say the letter was written well before gaby went missing. >> she wrote the letter because she and brian were experiencing a difficult period in the relationship, and he was about to go home. he was about to go on this long trip with gabby, and she was hoping to repair the relationship before he left. >> the petito say the laundries should be found liable for intentional infliction of emotional distress, because the laundrie's refused to talk with them or give them any answers. the laundrie's argue, they had no duty to respond to them. weeks after gabby was reported missing, following a highly publicized nationwide search, the 22-year-old's remains were found in wyoming. a coroner
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ruled her cause of death to be strangulation and the manner of death, homicide. brian disappeared during the search for gabby. his body was discovered soon after hers, and notebook found near his remains revealed he claimed responsibility for gabby's death. according to the fbi. a medical examiner ruled he died by suicide. >> it only permits discovery regarding matters that are relevant. >> laundrie's family attorney regarded the entire -- pointing to other parts of the letter. if you fly to the moon, i will be watching the skies for your reentry. if you say you hate mike outs, i will get nougats. in her affidavit, route portal andriy reference to children's books that she says the letter was based. on the petito family attorney rejected that. premised
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>> there is nothing about bearing a body or bringing a shovel or putting something in a cake if somebody goes to prison, although mom of air did say she'd bake little barricade on the birthday. >> written on the front of the envelope, burn after reading. >> -- will the jury get you see that letter, if it goes to -- ? >> here's where we are. yesterday the judge made a ruling that the petito family and their attorney could actually have the letter, because the laundrie's did not want the letter to get into their hands at all. so now they have the letter, it's part of discovery. i am sure the laundrie's will bring a motion so that the jury cannot see it. it cannot become evidence and the trial. but the petito's no, this is their circumstantial way to show that the laundries knew that their son had committed murder, and they were giving the patios any answers at all. the judge said, i think
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it's relevant, so we will see what the judge does. but in florida, if you want to prove intentional infliction of emotional distress, the main one is it's outrageous, and it's a legal standard. and you know how case law interprets, that if you show a situation and a citizen says that's outrageous, that is beyond the norms of decency. >> i appreciate, it thank you. coming up, more on the newest presidential candidate ron desantis, we will look at what role his wife may have in the race, next. your wyndham is waiting. whether it's for the bucket lists... the free breakfasts and wifi... or the... romantic getaways? with 24 trusted brands by wyndham to choose from... your wyndham is waiting. get the lowest price at wyndhamhotels.com
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>> returning to florida governor ron desantis and his bid for the white house, his wife casey is often described as his most pressing adviser. she has been by his side helping with media strategy and particularly interested in -- she is a survivor of brusque and. sir it is expected she will play a key role in the
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2024 race, -- has more. >> hello everyone and welcome, i'm casey desantis. >> long before she became the first lady of florida, casey desantis was a fixture in many floridians homes. she was an anchor and reporter for to jacksonville, florida tv stations. but she left it all behind to raise her children's, and support her husband's run for governor of florida. >> i was going to take a break from the show, i wanted to be able to spend time with my family. >> casey desantis was born jill casey black in ohio, according
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to media reports her husband was an optometrist, and her father worked as a speech pathologist. casey is a golf enthusiast and an equestrian, who graduated with an economics degree from the college of charleston in south carolina. she first met ron desantis in 2006, on a florida gulf range. >> i kept looking over my shoulder, because i wanted -- that someone had left. rollins over there. and so he thinks i'm looking at him. >> was there an instructional to him? >> of course, he was cute. >> in his new book, ron desantis referred to that meeting as his life's most fortuitous moment. three years later, the couple married at the walt disney world resort. in 2010, according to her linkedin profile, casey worked as a host for the golf channel. a couple years later, ron desantis was elected to florida's sixth congressional district. ever since, casey has become known as her husband's closest confidant. she leans on her tv experience, often advising him on media strategies and campaign ads, including this memorable one from 2018. >> build a wall. he is teaching medicine to talk. >> make america great again. >> in a recent tampa bay times article, representative moscow
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which who once served in the desantis administration, referred to her as a counter -- powerful force. a former spokes person for the governor also told the paper, the sounding board starts and stops with casey. casey desantis has a knack for humanizing her husband. >> you want to know who ron desantis really is? >> she recorded this campaign ad for him last year. focusing on how he helped her after her 2021 diagnosis with breast cancer. she is now cancer free. >> he was there to fight for me when i didn't have the strength to fight for myself. >> when she isn't busy with their three young children, casey desantis can be found at her husband side on the campaign trail. this is her with him in iowa. >> he is a good dad. he's a good person. he is in it for the right reasons. he is fighting for our children, just as much as he is fighting for your families. >> on the campaign trail, the governor often shines a spotlight at his wife, just as he did during his victory speech on election night last year. >> and most important of all, thank you to the greatest first lady in all 50 states,. >> randi kaye, cnn, palm beach county florida. >> still ahead, the top law
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